**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 10 02:59:56 2008
Jun 10 09:05:47 <ffc> have anyone got mipv6 2.0.2 compiled in angstrom?
Jun 10 14:16:19 <udovdh> website is down?
Jun 10 14:30:09 <udovdh> hello
Jun 10 14:30:18 <udovdh> anybody here know alsa/flite on ipaq?
Jun 10 16:22:22 <wvdschel> hi
Jun 10 16:22:41 <wvdschel> How do you change keymaps on a zaurus? and where can I find alternative maps?
Jun 10 16:23:11 <johnx> you can just edit /etc/keymap-2.6 and use loadkeys to load it
Jun 10 16:23:40 <johnx> I don't know about any alternate maps...but I haven't looked
Jun 10 16:24:13 <wvdschel> I'll just change it myself
Jun 10 16:24:17 <wvdschel> it's just one key
Jun 10 16:24:36 <wvdschel> and maybe I'll make the japanese keys do something useful as well :P
Jun 10 16:24:46 <johnx> they do already
Jun 10 16:24:54 <johnx> they're ctrl, l-alt and r-alt
Jun 10 16:26:10 <wvdschel> fancy :)
Jun 10 16:27:16 <johnx> actually, r-alt isn't that useful to me
Jun 10 16:27:18 <johnx> :)
Jun 10 16:27:35 <wvdschel> yes, well most apps don't discriminate between ats
Jun 10 16:27:40 <wvdschel> alts*
Jun 10 16:28:29 * wvdschel thinks about what key would be nice
Jun 10 16:28:47 <johnx> I guess it could be useful for different languages, but I speak english 
Jun 10 16:29:02 <wvdschel> i mostly speak ansi C
Jun 10 16:29:23 <johnx> it's a very well supported language 
Jun 10 16:30:08 <wvdschel> yes, I believe my computer can almost speak it natively :)
Jun 10 16:36:49 <wvdschel> hmmm, my debian rootfs is acting oddly
Jun 10 16:37:28 <wvdschel> modprobe hostap_cs doesn't bring any interface to life
Jun 10 16:38:28 <johnx> you probably need to manually load the zaurus pcmcia driver
Jun 10 16:38:39 <johnx> pxa2xx-cs or something?
Jun 10 16:39:15 <wvdschel> you seem to have all the answers :)
Jun 10 16:39:39 <johnx> I've had an akita for 2 or 3 years now :)
Jun 10 16:39:51 <wvdschel> whats the driver for sound?
Jun 10 16:40:02 * wvdschel is filling in /etc/modules
Jun 10 16:40:18 <johnx> I'm pretty sure that's loaded automagically
Jun 10 16:40:43 <wvdschel> anything else? tscreen?
Jun 10 16:41:06 <johnx> heh...yeah, rmmod mousedev 
Jun 10 16:41:37 <wvdschel> not loaded
Jun 10 16:41:50 <johnx> then don't worry about it
Jun 10 16:41:57 <wvdschel> ah damn! no wireless tools!
Jun 10 16:42:08 <wvdschel> how do I have it connect to wifi this way :(
Jun 10 16:42:10 <johnx> heh...always gets me too
Jun 10 16:42:27 <johnx> easy, reboot to angstrom, start wireless, chroot into debian, apt-get install wireless-tools
Jun 10 16:42:28 <wvdschel> I'll just try and get all the debs for wireless tools on a cf
Jun 10 16:42:31 <johnx> slow, but easy :)
Jun 10 16:42:31 <wvdschel> ah
Jun 10 16:42:35 <wvdschel> good idea!
Jun 10 16:42:54 <johnx> ran into the same thing :)
Jun 10 16:43:04 <johnx> get wpa-supplicant too
Jun 10 16:43:10 <wvdschel> good idea
Jun 10 16:43:13 <johnx> (if you need it)
Jun 10 16:43:17 <wvdschel> would network manager work?
Jun 10 16:43:24 <johnx> err...maybe?
Jun 10 16:43:42 <wvdschel> I'm not a wizard with wpa_supplicant
Jun 10 16:44:14 <wvdschel> I left the console era for network config bfore WPA became popular (or even supported)
Jun 10 16:44:39 <wvdschel> well, I left the wireless thing
Jun 10 16:44:50 <johnx> just put the following in your /etc/network/interfaces under wlan0:
Jun 10 16:44:57 <johnx> wpa-ssid your-ap-name
Jun 10 16:45:05 <johnx> wpa-psk your-passphrase
Jun 10 16:45:27 <wvdschel> does it automatically pick hex/ascii and key size?
Jun 10 16:45:30 <johnx> worry about roaming later :)
Jun 10 16:45:35 <wvdschel> hehe :)
Jun 10 16:45:35 <CoreDump> setup is basically identical to a Debian system
Jun 10 16:46:10 <johnx> CoreDump, we're actually talking about debian, in fact :)
Jun 10 16:46:17 <CoreDump> oops =D
Jun 10 16:46:23 <johnx> no problem
Jun 10 16:46:29 <johnx> he needs this running in angstrom too :)
Jun 10 16:46:45 <CoreDump> it was a paste'n copy job here =)
Jun 10 16:47:06 <wvdschel> how do you copy and paste without a middle button? ;)
Jun 10 16:47:28 <johnx> scp? Y and P in vi?
Jun 10 16:48:36 <CoreDump> ssh and vi, yeah
Jun 10 16:48:52 <CoreDump> over USB net IIRC
Jun 10 16:50:02 <wvdschel> never got the hang of copying and pasting in vi
Jun 10 16:50:13 <wvdschel> since I always had a mouse
Jun 10 16:50:30 <johnx> heh...you'll learn in debian quickly enough :)
Jun 10 16:51:31 <wvdschel> I run debian on my main machine as well :)
Jun 10 16:51:47 <wvdschel> have been going back and forth between debian and ubuntu for a few years now
Jun 10 16:53:06 <johnx> me too actually
Jun 10 16:53:15 <johnx> just came back to debian
Jun 10 16:53:22 <johnx> got tired of doing things the ubuntu way
Jun 10 16:53:24 <wvdschel> I've been using it since 7.10 was out
Jun 10 16:53:39 <wvdschel> since 7.10 didn't work well on my laptop
Jun 10 16:53:42 <wvdschel> and 8.04 just uscks
Jun 10 16:53:51 <wvdschel> doesn't work on any of the machines i tested it on
Jun 10 16:53:55 <wvdschel> at least not stably
Jun 10 16:54:23 <wvdschel> at http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto, they suggest adding both a lenny and an unstable line, isn't it one or the other?
Jun 10 16:54:54 <wvdschel> at least I got breakages before when combining the two
Jun 10 16:55:21 <johnx> errr...it's complicated...but it shouldn't cause breakage
Jun 10 16:56:10 <wvdschel> well lenny will do for me
Jun 10 16:56:30 <wvdschel> wonder what WM i'll pick, I'd go for flux but thats hard without a right click
Jun 10 17:14:20 <wvdschel> lol this is the first time ever that the gzip step of apt get takes longer than the rest :P
Jun 10 17:14:38 <johnx> heh
Jun 10 17:14:43 <johnx> might want to turn on some swap
Jun 10 17:14:49 <johnx> you'll need it to generate locales
Jun 10 17:15:29 <wvdschel> I will, but won't swap on SD make it useless?
Jun 10 17:16:31 <johnx> kill the card you mean?
Jun 10 17:16:35 <johnx> maybe eventually
Jun 10 17:16:45 <johnx> it will certainly shorten its lifetime
Jun 10 17:17:39 <johnx> but I've been using it for a while now...and it's pretty important for any heavy apps
Jun 10 17:17:59 <wvdschel> don't care for the card
Jun 10 17:18:02 <wvdschel> cards are cheap!
Jun 10 17:18:08 <wvdschel> I mean the performance :P
Jun 10 17:18:14 <wvdschel> given the terrible write speed :P
Jun 10 17:18:22 <johnx> turn down the swappiness
Jun 10 17:18:31 <wvdschel> swappiness?
Jun 10 17:18:31 <johnx> echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
Jun 10 17:18:35 <wvdschel> lol
Jun 10 17:18:39 <wvdschel> thats just cute
Jun 10 17:18:40 <johnx> then it won't swap unless it really needs to
Jun 10 17:18:48 <johnx> ain't it just? :D
Jun 10 17:19:27 <wvdschel> thats the funniest proc node I ever saw :)
Jun 10 17:23:41 <wvdschel> gtg, i'll be back soon enough
Jun 10 18:13:46 <DaSourcerer> Hello. I'm the proud owner of a Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000 "Akita". And I've go an issue flashing Angstrom 2007.12-r13 on it via SD card :-|
Jun 10 18:14:11 <DaSourcerer> The installer would complain it were unable to find said card which is just plain ridiculous...
Jun 10 18:14:35 <johnx> do you have a CF card inserted as well?
Jun 10 18:14:41 <DaSourcerer> Nope
Jun 10 18:14:42 <Sketch> the installer may be limited to 1GB SD cards
Jun 10 18:14:46 <DaSourcerer> Don't even own one
Jun 10 18:14:56 <Sketch> (1GB or smaller)
Jun 10 18:15:28 <johnx> what size sd card? also, make sure it's formatted fat16 and has 1 partition
Jun 10 18:16:02 <DaSourcerer> It's a 1 partition 2GB SD card
Jun 10 18:16:06 <Sketch> i am pretty sure i've used fat32 cards, but they have been no bigger than 1gb
Jun 10 18:17:04 <Sketch> yeah, i don't think that will work because the sharp rom can't read cards >1gb
Jun 10 18:17:24 <DaSourcerer> Hm, I had Angstrom on it before?
Jun 10 18:17:40 <DaSourcerer> But I'll try to use a 1GB card for flashing...
Jun 10 18:17:53 <johnx> did you flash with the 2GB before?
Jun 10 18:18:05 <DaSourcerer> Think so...
Jun 10 18:18:23 <DaSourcerer> Either that one or from the other 512MB card. Not sure atm.
Jun 10 18:18:57 * johnx flashes with a 64MB SD card that is in fact older than dirt
Jun 10 18:25:06 <DaSourcerer> Yay, it works now \o/
Jun 10 18:26:03 <johnx> woo!
Jun 10 18:27:32 <XorA|gone> AFAIk the installer cant handle SDHC cards
Jun 10 18:27:51 <XorA|gone> I think some 2G are SDHC and some arent
Jun 10 18:28:24 <johnx> 4GB is the sdhc cut-off IIRC
Jun 10 18:28:28 <DaSourcerer> I used this 2GB card before on angstrom. It seems to be really an issue of the installer.
Jun 10 18:28:51 <XorA|gone> DaSourcerer: the installer is 2.4.XX kernel from sharp, Angstrom is 2.6.2X which has SDHC support
Jun 10 18:30:36 <Sketch> the sharp rom is not just limited to SD, it is limited to 1GB max
Jun 10 18:31:22 <Sketch> there are SD cards up to 4GB
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