**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:57 2008
Sep 07 04:04:56 <aum> hi - i'm trying to install compiler tools on an angstrom ipaq - gcc is there, but it fails complaining that 'as' is not found - which package provides as?
Sep 07 20:52:51 <highmem> hi
Sep 07 20:57:13 <highmem> is/will there be a fennec buil available in the repository for the simpad?
Sep 07 21:08:28 <XorA|gone> probably not until the next Angstrom stable release
Sep 07 21:09:01 <highmem> ah, ok. thank you!
Sep 07 21:35:28 <aum> hi - when setting up an OE environment for the first time, is it unusual for the first 'mtn pull' command to take 2 hours or more?
Sep 07 21:39:27 <mimecar> hi
Sep 07 21:40:01 <aum> hi mimecar
Sep 07 21:40:24 <mimecar> evening aum
Sep 07 21:40:45 <aum> mimecar: do you develop with angstrom/OE?
Sep 07 21:41:06 <mimecar> i worked on angstorm build some months ago
Sep 07 21:41:32 <aum> i bought an ipaq 4350 on the weekend, and am just starting to get into building
Sep 07 21:41:47 <aum> but the first 'mtn pull' command is taking hours - is that unusual?
Sep 07 21:42:05 <mimecar> did you read the angstrom guide?
Sep 07 21:42:22 <mimecar> what's your computer and network velocity ?
Sep 07 21:42:23 <aum> i'm reading it now - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Sep 07 21:42:54 <aum> computer is 2GHz Athlon XP 32-bit, network bandwidth is about 4Mb/s down, .7Mb/s up
Sep 07 21:43:02 <mimecar> if you have download the latesr OE database, 'mtn pull' it's some seconds
Sep 07 21:43:40 <aum> i downloaded OE.mtn from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2
Sep 07 21:43:47 <mimecar> good
Sep 07 21:43:58 <mimecar> do you work on /OE folder ?
Sep 07 21:43:59 <aum> and had to reformat it cos i'm on debian sid, and my mtn is too new
Sep 07 21:44:23 <aum> i am not using /OE
Sep 07 21:44:26 <mimecar> that's not a problem
Sep 07 21:44:52 <mimecar> what's the folder you're using for?
Sep 07 21:45:13 <aum> i'm running the 'mtn pull' command in /home/david/work/sw/pocketpc/linux
Sep 07 21:45:26 <mimecar> then
Sep 07 21:45:36 <aum> does the path change slow things down?
Sep 07 21:45:38 <mimecar> you uncompress OE... on that folder
Sep 07 21:45:54 <mimecar> it should not
Sep 07 21:46:08 <mimecar> but if you follow all the steps it's easier find the problem
Sep 07 21:46:19 <aum> i have been following all the steps
Sep 07 21:46:25 <mimecar> it's posible some programs doesn't compile on large paths
Sep 07 21:46:37 <aum> * cringe *
Sep 07 21:47:02 <mimecar> lastest time i used OE, pull was fast
Sep 07 21:47:02 <aum> but would that explain why the mtn pull is taking ages?
Sep 07 21:47:17 <mimecar> I don't know, you can test it
Sep 07 21:47:19 <aum> or could it be that the http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 image is way old?
Sep 07 21:47:39 <mimecar> mtn pull extracts database files
Sep 07 21:47:56 <mimecar> it's not related with the file "age"
Sep 07 21:48:00 <aum> ok
Sep 07 21:48:14 <aum> my cpu has been 100% for over an hour
Sep 07 21:48:24 <mimecar> kill the process or reboot
Sep 07 21:48:35 <aum> mtn:  bytes in | bytes out |    certs in |     revs in
Sep 07 21:48:35 <aum> mtn:     4.8 M |     1.8 M | 2,525/6,694 |   629/1,656
Sep 07 21:48:43 <mimecar> mmm
Sep 07 21:48:47 <mimecar> then i was wrong
Sep 07 21:48:52 <mimecar> mtn pull is the update process
Sep 07 21:48:57 <aum> i'm using 'mtn' from debian sid
Sep 07 21:49:00 <Crofton|work> a long time since updating?
Sep 07 21:49:09 <mimecar> wait one minute
Sep 07 21:49:25 <aum> i'm setting up OE/angstrom environment for the first time
Sep 07 21:50:09 <aum> the word 'certs' suggests it's doing a lot of crypto thrashing
Sep 07 21:50:25 <mimecar> http://pastebin.com/m13cb8db5
Sep 07 21:50:41 <mimecar> do you use stable or development branch ?
Sep 07 21:50:59 <Crofton|work> mtn is slow on a good day, the snapshot may be a bit on the old side
Sep 07 21:51:29 <mimecar> 1600 revs it's a big number
Sep 07 21:51:39 <mimecar> for a recently snapshot
Sep 07 21:51:46 <aum> mimecar: are you saying those commands in your pastebin would work faster?
Sep 07 21:52:04 <mimecar> no, that're some of the commands i use for development
Sep 07 21:52:09 <aum> stable or development branch of what?
Sep 07 21:52:20 <mimecar> you can update package compressed
Sep 07 21:52:24 <aum> i've just installed bitbake and mtn from debian sid feed
Sep 07 21:52:24 <mimecar> or uncompress and update
Sep 07 21:52:34 <mimecar> aum: do you undestand spanish?
Sep 07 21:52:41 <aum> mimecar: no, sry
Sep 07 21:52:43 <mimecar> ok
Sep 07 21:52:53 <mimecar> you need some tools: bitbake, mtn.-...
Sep 07 21:53:02 <aum> i've just installed bitbake and mtn from debian sid feed
Sep 07 21:53:04 <mimecar> after you download OE database
Sep 07 21:53:33 <mimecar> OE has two branchs
Sep 07 21:53:39 <mimecar> stable version, and development version
Sep 07 21:53:51 <mimecar> you select the branch and uncompress it
Sep 07 21:54:01 <aum> ok, the command i've used is: mtn --db=../../linux/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.{stable,dev}
Sep 07 21:54:05 <mimecar> then update the database with the latest package
Sep 07 21:54:11 <mimecar> yes
Sep 07 21:54:17 <aum> as per the 'building angstrom' guide
Sep 07 21:54:19 <mimecar> but you should check out first
Sep 07 21:54:29 <mimecar> mtn --db=OE.mtn checkout --branch=org.openembedded.stable
Sep 07 21:54:45 <aum> ohh, on the Guide the checkout command appears after the pull command
Sep 07 21:54:45 <mimecar> it would be faster work on uncompress system
Sep 07 21:55:06 <aum> should i kill the proc, do the checkout then the pull?
Sep 07 21:55:16 <mimecar> your system is working now
Sep 07 21:55:21 <mimecar> 1x00 from 1600 tasks
Sep 07 21:55:36 <mimecar> first it should finish
Sep 07 21:55:59 <aum> i have to go to the gym for a couple of hours, maybe it will be done by then
Sep 07 21:56:12 <mimecar> if you're lucky ;)
Sep 07 21:56:34 <aum> so - asking as a complete n00b - is there a way to do this faster on my debian sid box?
Sep 07 21:57:01 <mimecar> update is the first time
Sep 07 21:57:07 <mimecar> after updates are faster
Sep 07 21:57:36 <aum> one thing i can say is i'm grateful angstrom supports ipaq h4350 - familiar doesn't seem to support it
Sep 07 21:58:05 <mimecar> familiar is one of the angstorm's father
Sep 07 21:58:40 <aum> another question - does the ext2 driver use wear-levelling when writing to an ext2 filesystem on SD flash card?
Sep 07 21:58:54 <mimecar> i don't know
Sep 07 22:00:03 <aum> there's a bunch of stuff i want to contribute when i get all this sorted
Sep 07 22:00:07 <aum> for instance, some python libs
Sep 07 22:00:17 <aum> and i want to port the FLTK graphical toolkit
Sep 07 22:00:33 <aum> and i've got a Forth interpreter i want to port in as well
Sep 07 22:01:23 <aum> what is the graphical toolkit used with the X11/GPE version of Angstrom?
Sep 07 22:01:30 <mimecar> gtk
Sep 07 22:01:35 <aum> ahh, ok
Sep 07 22:01:44 <aum> i know it's using matchbox wm
Sep 07 22:01:52 <mimecar> yes it's
Sep 07 22:02:04 <mimecar> angstrom use matchbox 1.2 and poky linux matchbox 2
Sep 07 22:02:13 <aum> i notice gimp is available on the feed - is it actually usable?
Sep 07 22:02:18 <mimecar> at least some months ago
Sep 07 22:02:34 <mimecar> i haven't tested it
Sep 07 22:02:43 <aum> (back in 30 mins - doing exercise warmup)
Sep 07 22:02:51 <aum> thanks for your comments so far
Sep 07 22:03:55 <Crofton|work> mimecar, depends on your hw
Sep 07 22:04:26 <mimecar> it's better use a laptop for image process
Sep 07 22:04:32 <mimecar> bigger screen
Sep 07 22:43:37 <aum> are there any web browsers on angstrom that Actually Work?
Sep 07 22:43:52 <mimecar> gpe-minibrowser works on basi webs
Sep 07 22:43:53 <aum> the ones i tried either hang or fail to render
Sep 07 22:43:53 <mimecar> or links
Sep 07 22:44:08 <aum> links - you mean the x11 version?
Sep 07 22:44:16 <mimecar> the console version
Sep 07 22:44:27 <aum> ohh, no graphics then
Sep 07 22:44:56 <mimecar> no, only text
Sep 07 22:45:05 <aum> problem is that more and more websites these days are full of fancy-assed stuff like js and advanced css that totally breaks the small browsers like the dillo-based ones
Sep 07 22:45:27 <mimecar> currently webs doesn't work on small screens
Sep 07 22:45:35 <aum> but then again, even pocketpc ie fails most modern websites too
Sep 07 22:45:38 <mimecar> you can change it with css on client side
Sep 07 22:46:16 <aum> anyway, we're making progress:
Sep 07 22:46:17 <aum> mtn:  bytes in | bytes out |    certs in |     revs in
Sep 07 22:46:17 <aum> mtn:     6.6 M |     1.8 M | 4,208/6,694 | 1,043/1,656
Sep 07 22:46:30 <mimecar> :P
Sep 07 22:49:51 <mimecar> you can view a website on small screens if they use css for look and feel
Sep 07 22:51:38 <aum> one of these days i gotta learn how to do client-side css
Sep 07 22:52:23 <mimecar> remove all the css...
Sep 07 22:54:14 <aum> but some websites need the css just for the content to be visible
Sep 07 22:54:38 <mimecar> if you remove it you get the text only
Sep 07 22:54:42 <aum> anyway, off to the gym, back in 2 hours (and hopefully the mtn pull will have finished)
Sep 08 00:42:20 <aum> back after gym, exhausted... and the mtn pull process failed, gotta restart
Sep 08 00:48:56 <aum> another thing - i tried to install gcc toolchain from ipkg - but when i try to compile a 'hello world' c prog on the device, gcc complains that the assembler 'as' is missing - is there an ipkg package that provides 'as'?
Sep 08 02:34:48 <aum> what's the typical ETA for initial image build from a virgin OE tree on a 2GHz box? 2 hours? 6 hours? several days (like gentoo)?
Sep 08 02:36:48 <Crofton|work> a few hours
Sep 08 02:36:59 <Crofton|work> depends if you are doing || make
Sep 08 02:37:51 <aum> i'm following the 'building angstrom' page, doing 'bitbake base-image'
Sep 08 02:38:57 <Crofton|work> hmm, is this the stable branch
Sep 08 02:39:01 <Crofton|work> which building Angstrom page
Sep 08 02:39:09 <aum> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Sep 08 02:39:19 <aum> i'm following that to the letter
Sep 08 02:39:45 <Crofton|work> arg, that is .stable
Sep 08 02:39:53 <Crofton|work> which does not include beagle
Sep 08 02:40:21 <aum> so the page needs a bit of update?
Sep 08 02:40:33 <Crofton|work> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/beagleboard-demo-image-available
Sep 08 02:40:45 <Crofton|work> well, I think we need a page on building the .dev
Sep 08 02:40:52 <Crofton|work> or refering you to the OE webiste
Sep 08 02:41:03 <aum> i'm building for ipaq h4350
Sep 08 02:41:10 <Crofton|work> ah
Sep 08 02:41:16 <Crofton|work> I need to go to bed
Sep 08 02:41:24 <aum> k
Sep 08 02:41:24 <Crofton|work> you are doing the write thing then
Sep 08 02:41:28 <aum> k
Sep 08 02:41:36 <Crofton|work> I am not familiar with that hw
Sep 08 02:41:37 <Crofton|work> gl
Sep 08 02:41:43 <aum> thx
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