**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 01 02:59:59 2008
Oct 01 13:03:28 <johnx_> well, my collie will boot to internal flash at least
Oct 01 13:03:42 <johnx_> so crazy to see kernel 2.6.26 running on it
Oct 01 14:10:49 <johnx_> huh...my collie was hanging somewhere in S55bootmisc.sh
Oct 01 14:13:08 <lardman> hey johnx_, I relented and pre-ordered a Pandora
Oct 01 14:13:23 <johnx_> lardman, I heard. I've broadened my lurking :)
Oct 01 14:14:15 <Sketch> pandora?
Oct 01 14:14:23 <johnx_> now all that's left is for me to get my other gadgets in a usable state so I can spend quality time with the pandora when it's released
Oct 01 14:14:30 <johnx_> Sketch, http://openpandora.org
Oct 01 14:15:00 <johnx_> It's a new, community developed handheld computer, about the size of an original Nintendo DS
Oct 01 14:15:24 <Sketch> neat
Oct 01 14:15:49 <Tomoe> you people gonna get screwed
Oct 01 14:15:50 <Tomoe> .
Oct 01 14:15:53 <Tomoe> *ducks*
Oct 01 14:16:00 <johnx_> Tomoe, have some insider info?
Oct 01 14:16:11 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 01 14:16:18 <Tomoe> nope
Oct 01 14:16:29 <Tomoe> I just doubt it will go well
Oct 01 14:16:30 <Tomoe> =/
Oct 01 14:16:32 <lardman> Tomoe: yeah always possible, the wonders of a credit card
Oct 01 14:16:40 <johnx_> Tomoe, from a hardware or software perspective?
Oct 01 14:17:16 <Tomoe> from device-life perspective
Oct 01 14:17:30 <johnx_> Tomoe, think it physically won't hold up?
Oct 01 14:17:32 <Tomoe> most likely it will end up just like gpx/gp2x, emulators and a few apps
Oct 01 14:17:47 <Tomoe> johnx_: software/community/maintenance side
Oct 01 14:17:51 <Sketch> the lack of number keys sort of sucks, it does look like it's intended for gaming
Oct 01 14:18:11 <lardman> Sketch: yep, not ideal, but should be cool none the less (I hope)
Oct 01 14:18:12 <johnx_> Tomoe, no big deal. I'll bring my own distro if it comes to that. I already did as much for the n8x0 and zaurus
Oct 01 14:18:28 <Tomoe> johnx_: yes, that's always an option
Oct 01 14:18:40 <Sketch> Tomoe: yeah, it's technically no worse off than the zaurus at this point ;) 
Oct 01 14:18:42 <Tomoe> but not for somewhat-mainstream adoption
Oct 01 14:18:50 <lardman> I'm not bothered about the gaming anyway; being an Angstrom base is good :)
Oct 01 14:19:18 <Sketch> fromt he site it looks like they have been slashdotted or something and there is no actual info on the site, just an order page
Oct 01 14:19:27 <Tomoe> heh
Oct 01 14:19:54 <Sketch> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/01/0142211
Oct 01 14:19:55 <Sketch> heh, yep
Oct 01 14:20:06 <Sketch> wow, specs are nice
Oct 01 14:20:23 <lardman> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2315196306.html
Oct 01 14:20:26 <johnx_> Tomoe, I don't care what other people do with them, but there's already around 3,000 other preorders in
Oct 01 14:20:44 <Tomoe> johnx_: heh
Oct 01 14:20:58 <lardman> Sketch: specs here http://openpandora.ca/
Oct 01 14:21:00 <Tomoe> johnx_: so, other than the OMG COOL factor, why do you need this/what could you use it for?
Oct 01 14:21:19 <lardman> DSP hacking
Oct 01 14:21:25 <Tomoe> hah
Oct 01 14:21:29 <johnx_> Tomoe, It would replace my other ARM/Linux gadgets. and it has fast hardware, a keyboard and loads of battery life
Oct 01 14:22:16 <lardman> who needs a reason anyway? ;)
Oct 01 14:22:29 <Tomoe> johnx_: so what's your current combo then?
Oct 01 14:22:32 <Sketch> i would say it has 2/3 of a keyboard ;)
Oct 01 14:22:44 <Tomoe> Nokia E61 + Nintendo DS lite here
Oct 01 14:23:01 <johnx_> Tomoe, I'm mostly getting by with a Nokia N800...but the lack of hardware keyboard kinda sucks
Oct 01 14:23:16 <Sketch>   The Pandora goes on sale for pre-orders on Sept. 30 for $330 US (200 UK Pounds or 250 Euros)
Oct 01 14:23:17 <Sketch> price isn't bad
Oct 01 14:23:21 <Tomoe> johnx_: why not get a bt keyboard?
Oct 01 14:23:37 <johnx_> Tomoe, ever try to use one standing up on a train in rush hour?
Oct 01 14:23:45 <lardman> johnx_: yeah, n810 is so much nicer due to the kb
Oct 01 14:24:06 <johnx_> lardman, as long as the slider doesn't break and you don't mind the lack of storage...
Oct 01 14:24:09 <Tomoe> johnx_: ah, sorry, forgot about the 'japan' part =D
Oct 01 14:24:23 <Tomoe> johnx_: get a twiddler =PP
Oct 01 14:24:30 <Sketch> n810 has less storage than the n800?
Oct 01 14:24:35 <lardman> johnx_: yeah, well the storage thing is blown out of proportion
Oct 01 14:24:41 <johnx_> Tomoe, I really only use it while I'm actually moving...even lying in bed a bt keyboard would be awkward
Oct 01 14:24:55 <lardman> Sketch: it only has one replaceable microSD card slow
Oct 01 14:24:56 <johnx_> lardman, all depends on what you want to do
Oct 01 14:25:09 <Sketch> ah
Oct 01 14:25:18 <lardman> johnx_: I mean even single cards are pretty big now, and you could always swap them, etc.
Oct 01 14:25:24 <Sketch> what does the n800 have?
Oct 01 14:25:33 <johnx_> Sketch, two full size sdhc slots
Oct 01 14:25:38 <Sketch> ah
Oct 01 14:25:51 <Sketch> n810 has gotta have microsdhc?
Oct 01 14:25:55 <lardman> n810 has 2Gb hardwired to one of the slots
Oct 01 14:25:57 <johnx_> lardman, I like the flexibility of two slots for booting alternative distros :)
Oct 01 14:26:02 <lardman> Sketch: yep
Oct 01 14:26:03 <Tomoe> johnx_: uh, you don't know about twiddler or?
Oct 01 14:26:10 <Sketch> microsd(hc) is electronically identical to the full size, you are just more limited in size
Oct 01 14:26:13 <Tomoe> it's a chording keyboard
Oct 01 14:26:15 <johnx_> Tomoe, I do, that would still be sub-optimal
Oct 01 14:26:20 <Tomoe> well
Oct 01 14:26:55 <johnx_> Tomoe, hand to hold onto the handle so I don't fall over, hand to hold the device, hand to hold the chording keyboard...wait that's three!
Oct 01 14:27:10 <Tomoe> the keyboard position on the Pandora looks like it will make for some exquisite carpal tunnel syndrome pains i
Oct 01 14:27:18 <Tomoe> *pains, tho
Oct 01 14:27:28 <Tomoe> and it won't be easy to hold it while standing
Oct 01 14:27:48 <Tomoe> *pain
Oct 01 14:27:50 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 01 14:28:01 <johnx_> granted it won't be easy to type one-handed...but easier than a separate keyboard
Oct 01 14:28:28 <lardman> just go for speech recog, should have enough guts for it
Oct 01 14:28:30 <lardman> :)
Oct 01 14:28:46 <johnx_> lardman, on a crowded train? It'll at least get me some space to stand
Oct 01 14:29:15 <lardman> johnx_: I would have though the Japs were into speaking to gadgets anyway!?
Oct 01 14:29:28 <Tomoe> not in trains
Oct 01 14:29:37 <Tomoe> johnx_: just tell them it's a free english lesson
Oct 01 14:29:46 <johnx_> Tomoe, :P
Oct 01 14:29:55 <Tomoe> har har
Oct 01 14:30:23 <johnx_> lardman, look at the pics, then tell me what it would be like with half the people talking on cell phones: http://images.google.com/images?q=tokyo%20train%20rush%20hour&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Oct 01 14:31:18 <Tomoe> damn
Oct 01 14:31:39 <Tomoe> once I rode the last train on the chuo line
Oct 01 14:31:40 <Sketch> johnx_: i would figure in japan at rushour you wouldn't have to hold on to anything because you'd be so tightly packed between all of the other people ;)
Oct 01 14:32:14 <johnx_> Sketch, I'm like 190cm tall. I don't want to fall over and crush some innocent old woman. Plus, I have a high center of gravity :P
Oct 01 14:32:42 <Sketch> hehe
Oct 01 14:32:51 <Tomoe> oh please
Oct 01 14:32:54 <lardman> throat mike!
Oct 01 14:32:58 <lardman> lol @ http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t028/T028954A.jpg
Oct 01 14:32:58 <Tomoe> I'm 2m and I handled it just fine
Oct 01 14:33:01 <Tomoe> =P
Oct 01 14:33:17 <johnx_> Tomoe, I guess I have crappy balance :P
Oct 01 14:33:28 <Sketch> i was just thinking yesterday that i ned to find someone in tokyo to ask about something
Oct 01 14:33:32 <Sketch> but i can't remember what it was ;)
Oct 01 14:34:46 <johnx_> Sketch, technology, culture, hello kitty merchandise?
Oct 01 14:35:35 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 01 14:35:37 <broonie> johnx_: You list culture separately from hello kitty merchandise?
Oct 01 14:35:46 <Tomoe> I have a hello kitty coin wallet
Oct 01 14:36:14 <johnx_> broonie, heh
Oct 01 14:36:17 <Tomoe> mind you I'm a 2m skinhead and I live in the balkans atm
Oct 01 14:36:25 <Tomoe> looks I get when I pull it out are priceless
Oct 01 14:36:59 <Sketch> heh
Oct 01 14:37:06 * lardman had to read back a line or two
Oct 01 14:38:02 <johnx_> Tomoe, yeah, next time put that all in one line for less ambiguity :P
Oct 01 14:38:39 <Tomoe> these replies were SO unexpected
Oct 01 14:38:47 * Tomoe applauds you for your maturity
Oct 01 14:38:49 <Tomoe> =P
Oct 01 14:38:52 <Sketch> welcome to irc ;)
Oct 01 14:38:59 <lardman> Sorry! :)
Oct 01 14:39:04 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 01 14:40:52 <johnx_> now, what should I do with a collie now that it boots?
Oct 01 14:41:13 <Tomoe> nothing
Oct 01 14:41:18 <Tomoe> you achieved the goal
Oct 01 14:41:21 <Tomoe> now you can stow it away
Oct 01 14:41:44 <johnx_> that's not right :P
Oct 01 14:41:50 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 01 14:41:51 <Tomoe> =)
Oct 01 14:42:13 <johnx_> you're supposed to challenge me with some impossible task, like quake3 or a usable web browser
Oct 01 14:42:52 <johnx_> holy craps O_o I didn't know they got sdhc ironed out already
Oct 01 14:44:12 <Sketch> i would suggest a web browser that doesn't suck, but my zaurus got stolen so i have nothing to run it on right now anyway ;)
Oct 01 14:44:49 <johnx_> no touchscreen currently I think, so that limits it for now
Oct 01 14:45:06 <broonie> There we go, implement touchscreen support.
Oct 01 14:45:09 <broonie> That's something to do with it.
Oct 01 14:45:26 <broonie> (You've got a toolchain installed natively, right?!)
Oct 01 14:45:40 <johnx_> I'm about to try booting debian for fun :)
Oct 01 14:45:48 <johnx_> but I'm not really a kernel hacker
Oct 01 14:46:24 <Tomoe> time to become one!
Oct 01 14:46:34 * johnx_ sighs
Oct 01 14:46:51 * johnx_ wants more hours in the day
Oct 01 19:31:12 <Verty> tchor2: thanx again for the link, got my collie up and running on Angstrom now!
Oct 01 19:31:49 <johnx_> Verty, congrats!
Oct 01 19:31:57 <johnx_> I've gotten mine to some state of usable too
Oct 01 19:33:13 <Verty> goodstuff :)
Oct 01 19:33:26 <Verty> still have to get my wifi card to work though :)
Oct 01 19:33:37 <johnx_> 2.6.26 understands SDHC cards (!!)
Oct 01 19:34:39 <Verty> I'll go with 2Gigs for now :)
Oct 01 19:36:42 <johnx_> my 2GB card appears to be toast
Oct 01 19:36:47 <Verty> oh wow... seems wifi is doing something :)
Oct 01 19:37:07 <johnx_> I need to find a new battery for mine...could be quite usable again :D
Oct 01 19:37:07 <Verty> that's f*cked up :(
Oct 01 19:37:18 <johnx_> hmm?
Oct 01 19:37:48 <johnx_> that my cheap-o 2GB card died after years of swapping to it?
Oct 01 19:38:02 <Sketch> 2gb cards are ridiculously cheap now anyway
Oct 01 19:38:10 <Verty> ok ok it served its purpose :)
Oct 01 19:38:31 <johnx_> it didn't eat my card...it's just getting I/O errors
Oct 01 19:38:36 <Verty> indeed, but I'm usually messing around with it at night... no chance getting a new one then :)
Oct 01 19:38:55 <Verty> good it enough to bin it
Oct 01 19:38:59 <johnx_> my 4GB SDHC card seems to work fine though, so I'm happy
Oct 01 19:39:15 <Verty> cute... anything else new in the kernel?
Oct 01 19:39:25 <Verty> for collie that is ;)
Oct 01 19:39:38 <johnx_> I saw modules for the touchscreen in 2.6.26...but I don't know if they work
Oct 01 19:40:10 <Verty> .20 works fine at least... when the module is actually loaded :)
Oct 01 19:40:15 <johnx_> I'm working on a new keymap for my akita...so my collie is away for tonight
Oct 01 19:41:58 <johnx_> I'm thrilled with the thought of all my devices suddenly being usable :D
Oct 01 19:42:05 <johnx_> I'll run out of pockets though
Oct 01 19:42:43 <Verty> for me it's about time I put one in it :)
Oct 01 19:42:53 <Verty> happy the future looks a bit brighter for my collie :)
Oct 01 19:43:15 <johnx_> yeah, I was expecting the worst for a while, but even this is good enough for a lot of things
Oct 01 19:46:22 <Verty> so far it's looking pretty promising... wifi seems to be working out
Oct 01 19:46:42 <Verty> 4way key is messed up though :)
Oct 01 19:47:27 <johnx_> really?
Oct 01 19:47:35 <johnx_> works fine here, aside from hardware problems
Oct 01 19:47:57 <johnx_> my collie has gotten rough treatment over the last 6 years...
Oct 01 19:48:19 <Verty> hehe beat the little pooch ;)
Oct 01 19:48:38 <johnx_> still works admirably
Oct 01 19:48:48 <Verty> it works alright when I turn it counter clockwise :)
Oct 01 19:49:16 <johnx_> with a 16GB card it would be a killer little mp3 player / notepad / rss reader
Oct 01 19:49:25 <Verty> yeah it's a nice device, haven't toyed with it for 2 long since I messed up most installs within the week ;)
Oct 01 19:49:33 <Verty> oh yeah
Oct 01 19:50:40 <Verty> hell 2G is enough for that.... (I got a 1G ipod shuffle ;))
Oct 01 19:51:52 <johnx_> well, if I'm gonna buy a new battery I might as well buy a new SD card...
Oct 01 19:52:54 <Verty> the 2 cents extra for the card is prolly worth it :)
Oct 01 19:53:17 <Verty> hmm.... seems I messed something up by running the iwlist stuff
Oct 01 19:55:38 <johnx_> grrr...I really wish I didn't have to make a whole new keymap
Oct 01 19:56:02 <Verty> sounds like a func job ;)
Oct 01 20:01:25 <Verty> seems it doesn't like iwconfig key :(
Oct 01 20:01:32 <johnx_> sad
Oct 01 20:01:45 <Verty> pretty much hangs the little pooch
Oct 01 20:02:39 <Verty> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device wifi0; Operation not supported
Oct 01 20:03:56 <Verty> what's the best place to report this stuff (in case of collie)
Oct 01 20:04:32 <johnx_> probably bugs.openembedded.org
Oct 01 20:04:44 <johnx_> is this a card with a hostap driver or something else?
Oct 01 20:05:39 <Verty> no idea to be honest... 
Oct 01 20:05:43 * Verty googles some
Oct 01 20:06:41 <johnx_> is there a wlan0 interface as well?
Oct 01 20:07:07 <johnx_> pccardctl status
Oct 01 20:07:12 <johnx_> that will tell you about the driver
Oct 01 20:07:28 <johnx_> <- enlightened self interest in helping you :)
Oct 01 20:07:48 <Verty> :)
Oct 01 20:07:58 * Verty waiting for it to boot
Oct 01 20:10:09 * Verty starts setting up the Angstrom build environment :)
Oct 01 20:10:50 <Crofton|work> Verty, welcome aboard
Oct 01 20:12:13 <Verty> Crofton|work: hehe yup, I'm convinced :)
Oct 01 20:12:26 <Jay7> ehh.. 
Oct 01 20:12:32 <Verty> johnx_: bound to hostap_cs... that's a yes :)
Oct 01 20:12:39 * Jay7 have no time to continue work on kexecboot..
Oct 01 20:12:58 <johnx_> Verty, try your iwconfig command on wlan0 instead of wifi0
Oct 01 20:13:07 <Verty> yuh I figured
Oct 01 20:13:58 <Verty> doesn't seem to be hanging any less :(
Oct 01 20:14:17 <johnx_> strange
Oct 01 20:14:27 <johnx_> so at this point does it hang and you have to kill it?
Oct 01 20:14:38 <hackjoe> i recently compiled the libertas drivers on 2.6.26 and the wifi card works fine now, but when i plug it in tskeys pins the cpu at 100%. killing the process works but is there a better solution?
Oct 01 20:15:04 <johnx_> hackjoe, I'm having the same problem in 2.6.26
Oct 01 20:15:11 <johnx_> glad to hear it built at least :)
Oct 01 20:15:33 <hackjoe> johnx_: ya worked as expected with .26
Oct 01 20:15:49 <Verty> it hangs when trying... then after some time it spits out the error and then hangs again
Oct 01 20:15:55 <Verty> so killing seems out of the question :(
Oct 01 20:16:01 <hackjoe> and i will not miss tskeys but it is a bug somewhere
Oct 01 20:16:46 <johnx_> hackjoe, a bug on bugs.openembedded.org would be the thing to do
Oct 01 20:16:56 <hackjoe> k, ty
Oct 01 20:18:50 <johnx_> I wonder what thesing did to build that kexec kernel for collie...
Oct 01 20:24:53 * Verty reset the collie
Oct 01 20:33:07 <Verty> sound was out the question with the current collie image?
Oct 01 20:33:52 <johnx_> I think it's not implemented yet in 2.6 for strongARM chipsets
Oct 01 20:34:15 <johnx_> but every time I say something won't work these days, the world has a way of proving me wrong...
Oct 01 20:34:32 <Verty> hope that's the case ;)
Oct 01 20:35:19 <Verty> then again, without a decent network connection, thing are getting a lot harder to do
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