**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 13 02:59:57 2008
Oct 13 03:07:54 <eekee> not having internet access from my pda, the way the package browser keeps going down is a right pain
Oct 13 03:46:02 <eekee> The package browser is still down... okay, parting shot: Can't the package browser do something like reboot itself when it goes down? With a watchdog timer or something?
Oct 13 08:09:57 <vanguard> Good morning all ! 
Oct 13 08:10:25 <eekee> hallo
Oct 13 08:10:27 <vanguard> I am searching or some help or hints. 
Oct 13 08:10:37 <vanguard> hallo eekee
Oct 13 08:11:32 <vanguard> Yesterday I made an update on my akita, and now X is no more startng. I checked the logs, but this did not really help.
Oct 13 08:11:46 <eekee> hmm
Oct 13 08:11:50 <johnx> vanguard, can you run it from the command line?
Oct 13 08:12:06 <johnx> Xfbdev -screen 480x640@270
Oct 13 08:12:08 <vanguard> Yes, everything is working fine, except for X.
Oct 13 08:13:23 <johnx> what happens if you run X from the command line?
Oct 13 08:13:55 <vanguard> It is telling me, lihal.so is missing.
Oct 13 08:14:05 <vanguard> libhal.so.0
Oct 13 08:14:27 <vanguard> But there is no libhal.so.0 in the packagages. i found none
Oct 13 08:15:04 <vanguard> BTW: Th esame happens at the latest autobuild-images, too !
Oct 13 08:15:15 <eekee> sounds like a bad package
Oct 13 08:15:17 <johnx> 2007.12, right?
Oct 13 08:15:21 <vanguard> Yes.
Oct 13 08:15:30 <vanguard> 2007.12-r18
Oct 13 08:15:54 <johnx> maybe try installing libhal1 ?
Oct 13 08:16:06 <vanguard> I tried one of the 2008-testing-images, but they do not start X, too.
Oct 13 08:16:25 <vanguard> Hmm, lets try !
Oct 13 08:17:02 <vanguard> This is already installed.
Oct 13 08:17:19 <johnx> try: ipkg files libhal1
Oct 13 08:18:01 <vanguard> It says: is installed, and has the following files: 
Oct 13 08:18:07 <vanguard> Then nothing.
Oct 13 08:18:15 <vanguard> Maybe th epackage is buggy ?
Oct 13 08:18:24 <johnx> that sounds likely :)
Oct 13 08:19:22 <johnx> uhm, try doing an ipkg update ; ipkg install libhal1
Oct 13 08:19:31 <johnx> or just grab the one from the package browser and try installing it
Oct 13 08:19:42 <johnx> actually, what version of libhal1 do you have?
Oct 13 08:20:07 <johnx> ipkg status libhal1
Oct 13 08:20:23 <vanguard> I tried: ipkg search '*hal*' | grep libhal
Oct 13 08:20:33 <vanguard> But there is no succexss.
Oct 13 08:20:39 <eekee> package browser is still down
Oct 13 08:20:50 <johnx> eekee, I just used it a second ago
Oct 13 08:21:08 <eekee> why does it fail when I use it? 
Oct 13 08:21:13 <johnx> eekee, this one here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ ?
Oct 13 08:21:25 <vanguard> Can I downgrade it somehow ?
Oct 13 08:21:46 <vanguard> I mean, only the one package.
Oct 13 08:22:03 <johnx> I think so, just grab the package and run ipkg install package-foo.ipk
Oct 13 08:22:08 <eekee> johnx: yeah
Oct 13 08:22:22 <vanguard> th eone from repo ?
Oct 13 08:22:41 <johnx> vanguard, try this one maybe? http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv5te/base/libhal1_0.5.9.1-r8_armv5te.ipk
Oct 13 08:22:54 <johnx> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=libhal1
Oct 13 08:23:17 <vanguard> hmm, this is the old one....
Oct 13 08:23:32 <johnx> what version do you have now?
Oct 13 08:23:33 <eekee> johnx: this fails: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=libc6-dev
Oct 13 08:24:09 <johnx> eekee, interesting, same here
Oct 13 08:24:12 <vanguard> 0.5.9.1-r8
Oct 13 08:24:13 <johnx> I wonder why
Oct 13 08:24:23 <eekee> yeah...
Oct 13 08:25:09 <johnx> but if you run ipkg files libhal1 it says it there are no files installed? just reinstall that package then, I can verify that it has libhal
Oct 13 08:25:28 <vanguard> This must be a generally problem, because all newer images fail to start X (akita)
Oct 13 08:25:58 <johnx> vanguard, it works fine here
Oct 13 08:26:03 <vanguard> It is installed.
Oct 13 08:26:31 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~# ipkg install libhal1
Oct 13 08:26:31 <vanguard> Package libhal1 (0.5.9.1-r8) installed in root is up to date.
Oct 13 08:26:31 <vanguard> Nothing to be done
Oct 13 08:26:31 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~#
Oct 13 08:27:08 <vanguard> See, what I mean ? Or did I misunderstand you ?
Oct 13 08:30:37 <vanguard> O.k., I reinstalled libhal1
Oct 13 08:30:55 <vanguard> But same as before. This is the output:
Oct 13 08:31:03 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~# ipkg files libhal1
Oct 13 08:31:03 <vanguard> Package libhal1 (0.5.9.1-r8) is installed on root and has the following files:
Oct 13 08:31:03 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~#  
Oct 13 08:31:27 <vanguard> As you see: There is nothing installed.
Oct 13 08:32:07 <vanguard> Wait, ! Now X is starting.
Oct 13 08:35:28 <johnx_> sorry, missed everything for the last couple minutes
Oct 13 08:35:31 <vanguard> wb johnx 
Oct 13 08:35:31 <johnx_> having videocard issues
Oct 13 08:35:54 <vanguard> I reinstalled libhal1, and now X is starting.
Oct 13 08:36:04 <johnx_> w00!
Oct 13 08:36:15 <vanguard> Although libhal1 is still not shown. 
Oct 13 08:36:23 <vanguard> Strange....
Oct 13 08:36:35 <johnx_> not shown? ipkg files libhal1 gives you nothing?
Oct 13 08:36:41 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~# ipkg files libhal1
Oct 13 08:36:41 <vanguard> Package libhal1 (0.5.9.1-r8) is installed on root and has the following files:
Oct 13 08:36:41 <vanguard> root@protheus6:~#  
Oct 13 08:36:53 <johnx_> that's pretty bizarre
Oct 13 08:37:02 <vanguard> Yes, weired.
Oct 13 08:38:09 <vanguard> O.k., X is running now !
Oct 13 08:38:44 <vanguard> But there is a new proble: I cannot get input to X
Oct 13 08:39:08 <johnx_> touchscreen or keyboard?
Oct 13 08:39:13 <vanguard> Maybe something else is missing ?
Oct 13 08:39:21 <vanguard> Both.
Oct 13 08:39:29 <vanguard> Not quite.
Oct 13 08:39:44 <vanguard> I can not choose the input-field.
Oct 13 08:40:23 <vanguard> And of course I can not switch to console with  FN - Left
Oct 13 08:41:03 <vanguard> But I have access via network, so I can start or reinstall that way.
Oct 13 08:41:59 <johnx_> is this with gpe-dm?
Oct 13 08:42:21 <vanguard> Hmm, i try to restart gpe-dm
Oct 13 08:43:20 <vanguard> gpe-dm can be started, but no inpt possible.
Oct 13 08:43:55 <vanguard> Maybe some kernel-module missing ?
Oct 13 08:44:09 <johnx_> ls /dev/input
Oct 13 08:44:48 <johnx_> cat /dev/input/event2 (if it exists or event1 if it doesn't) and then touch the screen
Oct 13 08:44:57 <vanguard> muse, touchsrcreen, mice. Everything seems to be there.
Oct 13 08:45:07 <vanguard> event0        event2        mouse0        uinput
Oct 13 08:45:07 <vanguard> event1        mice          touchscreen0
Oct 13 08:45:26 <vanguard> keyboard is missing.
Oct 13 08:45:37 <johnx_> nah, it's event0 or event1 
Oct 13 08:46:16 <vanguard> I had the same problem one of the 2008-images.
Oct 13 08:46:36 <vanguard> I believe, it was the oldest 2008-image.
Oct 13 08:46:48 <johnx_> anyways, good luck. I have to go buy a new fan for my video card :/
Oct 13 08:47:05 <vanguard> Okidoki, thanks for help anyway.
Oct 13 08:47:19 <vanguard> Gofd liuck, too !
Oct 13 08:47:19 <johnx_> sure, no problem :)
Oct 13 08:47:23 <johnx_> thanks
Oct 13 09:30:35 <vanguard> Still looking for the error. I cannot get any input in x, neither mouse movement bnor keyboard input Any hints are welcome.
Oct 13 09:50:32 <vanguard> I think, I should file a bugreport to this.....
Oct 13 10:29:15 <vanguard> Hmm, might the angstrrom site be down at the moment ???
Oct 13 10:50:49 <vanguard> Found it ! There is a ug, but I cannot reprt it, cause th esite is down.
Oct 13 10:53:55 <XorA> http://bugs.openembedded.net/
Oct 13 10:54:00 <XorA> it is up
Oct 13 10:57:12 <vanguard> Hi XorA 
Oct 13 10:57:22 <vanguard> Well, there are more bugs in it. 
Oct 13 10:57:32 <vanguard> One is easy to solve.
Oct 13 10:58:01 <vanguard> There is a typo in /etc/X11/Xinit.d/S99gpe-login
Oct 13 10:58:26 <vanguard> now the keyboard is working agai.
Oct 13 10:58:42 <vanguard> But I am still looking, why the touchscreen is not working.
Oct 13 10:59:14 <vanguard> Help is really wecome, because i do not know, where to look at.
Oct 13 11:07:52 <vanguard> I filed a bugreport now.
Oct 13 11:08:03 <vanguard> Hope, someone will read it.
Oct 13 12:11:25 <likewise> not here
Oct 13 12:12:15 <XorA> vanguard: have read it, am puzzled
Oct 13 12:12:48 <vanguard> Was ist nt clear enough ?
Oct 13 12:14:07 <XorA> I thought the X11R6 stuff had gone years ago
Oct 13 12:14:13 <XorA> I havent had time to investigate
Oct 13 12:14:37 <vanguard> The problem is, after th eupgrade, there is no more input iin X, neither with the keyboard (which I could fix) or with the stick.
Oct 13 12:15:04 <vanguard> aka mouse
Oct 13 12:15:21 <XorA> kdrive 1.4?
Oct 13 12:15:34 <XorA> 1.4.X?
Oct 13 12:15:35 <vanguard> Since xorg all the paths should have changed.
Oct 13 12:15:39 <vanguard> Yes, 1.4
Oct 13 12:15:49 <XorA> need add -mouse tslib to arguments to get touchscreen
Oct 13 12:16:23 <vanguard> Oh, I ll try it. I tried -mouse /dev/input/event1
Oct 13 12:16:53 <vanguard> Thats it ! So easy !!!
Oct 13 12:17:17 <XorA> what are you building from? I thought that had been changed months ago as well
Oct 13 12:17:20 <XorA> hrmmm
Oct 13 12:17:21 <vanguard> It must be fixed in /etc/X11/Xinit I suppose.
Oct 13 12:17:51 <XorA> or did you upgrade 2007->2008
Oct 13 12:18:30 <vanguard> Sorry, I meant /et/X11/Xserver
Oct 13 12:18:46 <XorA> packages/xserver-common/files/kdrive-1.4-fixes.patch
Oct 13 12:18:52 <vanguard> No, I upgraded  2007, but I suppose, a lot of stuff is from 2008
Oct 13 12:18:54 <XorA> I added that to OE a long time ago
Oct 13 12:19:56 <vanguard> Sorry to say that, but the 2007 feed was not well maintained. all the work went to 2008
Oct 13 12:20:50 <vanguard> It was just half a year not updated, and now was a huge version update within the 2007.
Oct 13 12:21:15 <vanguard> So it is normal, that some bugs appear in a blast.
Oct 13 12:24:05 <vanguard> Will you try to check the X-server stuff ?
Oct 13 12:25:40 <vanguard> I mean, it is no good idea, when it is running on my akita, and the packaes stay buggy.
Oct 13 12:26:10 <XorA> vanguard: your problem is there is no upgrade path from 2007->2008
Oct 13 12:26:24 <XorA> vanguard: if you install 2008 all this stuff is actually fixed
Oct 13 12:26:56 <vanguard> Hmm, I could change the configs for ipkg, to point to this.
Oct 13 12:27:18 <vanguard> Will this be a good idea ? Must I change the kernel, too ?
Oct 13 12:28:19 <vanguard> I tried to upgrade some weeks ago, but then X crashed during its start. 
Oct 13 12:28:47 <XorA> basically there is no easy way to make ipkg/opkg do the right thing to do an automatic upgrade
Oct 13 12:28:59 <vanguard> upgrade to 2008 I meant. I also tried one of th e2008-images, with the same result: X crashed.
Oct 13 12:29:28 <XorA> hmm, I dont have an akita, not sure why it would crash
Oct 13 12:29:59 <vanguard> I can try to upgrade.
Oct 13 12:31:26 <vanguard> Or I can flash new.
Oct 13 12:32:16 <XorA> flashing a working 2008 image would be the best, but I havent kept up with the state of things
Oct 13 12:32:59 <vanguard> Yes, but adly there is no working image at the moment.
Oct 13 12:33:12 <XorA> :-(
Oct 13 12:33:23 <vanguard> All images I were testing, failed.
Oct 13 12:33:23 <XorA> keep bugging people until a developer with an akita turns up
Oct 13 12:34:08 <vanguard> eah, I know, aakita (SL-1000) is not he one, someone owns.
Oct 13 12:34:18 <vanguard> Most use an SL-3000
Oct 13 12:34:49 <XorA> I sold most of my zauruses
Oct 13 12:35:02 <vanguard> really ? Why that ?
Oct 13 12:35:16 <XorA> wasnt using them anymore
Oct 13 12:35:50 <vanguard> Oh , I am using mine every day. My Notebook in the pocket.
Oct 13 12:36:48 <XorA> I got nokia n810, 4 openmoko phones, eeePC, and just ordered the Pandora
Oct 13 12:37:01 <vanguard> How can I force to start gpe-dm in landsape mode ?
Oct 13 12:37:15 <vanguard> eeepc ? 900 ?
Oct 13 12:37:19 <XorA> 901
Oct 13 12:37:23 <vanguard> Cool !!
Oct 13 12:37:33 <vanguard> With windows ?
Oct 13 12:37:37 <vanguard> :)
Oct 13 12:37:40 <XorA> so I got a PC in pocket for every size of pocket :-)
Oct 13 12:37:46 <vanguard> lol
Oct 13 12:37:50 <XorA> I got the linux one because it has bigger SSD
Oct 13 12:38:25 <vanguard> Sure ! Great thing. I lik ethe EEEPC, fine thing. 
Oct 13 12:38:50 <XorA> got my 702 in Taiwan, sold that to a friend and got the 901
Oct 13 12:39:17 <vanguard> Just an exchange, I guess.
Oct 13 12:39:50 <XorA> I sold it to her cheap because she is a close friend
Oct 13 12:40:13 <vanguard> O.k., I understand. This is o.k.
Oct 13 12:43:01 <vanguard> I hope, someone will release a working 2008-image.
Oct 13 12:44:16 <vanguard> Do you know, if configuration files are overwritten at upgrades ?
Oct 13 13:22:32 <vanguard> XorA: Now I did a complet eupdate.
Oct 13 13:23:59 <vanguard> XorA: Anythin gis running, except of th emouse. Are you sure, the correct driver is "tslib" ?
Oct 13 13:25:13 <XorA> ARGS="$ARGS -mouse tslib" yes very sure
Oct 13 13:25:45 <vanguard> Hmm, the mouse is jumping to th edge of the screen, as soon as you move it.
Oct 13 13:25:58 <XorA> meh!
Oct 13 13:26:13 <XorA> there is a bug about that, I cant remeber if the patch ever got imported or not
Oct 13 13:26:33 <XorA> there was some discussion on the correct fix, I forget now what outcome was
Oct 13 13:26:37 <vanguard> I know thi sbehaviour from desktop pcs, when you use a PS/2-mouse and use the serial drivr.
Oct 13 13:27:40 <vanguard> This might have something to do with xorg, does it ?
Oct 13 13:28:15 <XorA> http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3741
Oct 13 13:28:19 <XorA> is the bug
Oct 13 13:29:45 <vanguard> Hmm, thee is no clear solution.
Oct 13 13:34:10 <XorA> seems there are no zaurus people working on OE anymore
Oct 13 13:35:23 <vanguard> Yes, thisis a pity.
Oct 13 13:37:19 <XorA> fancy learning to code :-D
Oct 13 13:39:03 <vanguard> I think,. I will never learn i.
Oct 13 13:39:06 <vanguard> it
Oct 13 13:44:34 <vanguard> Is this a typo, or does an directory /etc/opkg exist ? 
Oct 13 13:46:21 <XorA> opkg is the new name for ipkg
Oct 13 13:49:02 <vanguard> Ah, o.k. ! I just wondered, might have been a typo, as I and O are so near on the keyboard.
Oct 13 14:20:15 <Tomoe> hy!
Oct 13 18:31:08 <mac2612> hi
Oct 13 19:39:15 <mistergibson> hello
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