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Oct 20 08:34:51 <vanguard> Good morning. Just a question: I wonder, why there is xserver-common and xserver-kdrive-common both installed in akita by default.
Oct 20 08:35:24 <vanguard> Both packages got /etc/X11/Xinit built in, but both are different. 
Oct 20 08:36:02 <vanguard> So, this might be one problem causing the bug with the latest X-drivver. 
Oct 20 08:36:09 <Tomoe> vanguard: just so you wouldn't have to worry what to do with all the extra free space
Oct 20 08:36:13 <Tomoe> =P
Oct 20 08:36:48 <vanguard> No, Tomoe , I am still trying to find the reason for the bug with X in akita.
Oct 20 08:37:25 <johnx> which X bug?
Oct 20 08:37:48 <vanguard> The one with the tslib error.
Oct 20 08:37:57 <vanguard> Wait, I am looking for the number....
Oct 20 08:38:38 <vanguard> http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4723
Oct 20 08:38:41 <vanguard> This one.
Oct 20 08:39:17 <vanguard> It is still not working, and I was trying almost whole weekend, to find the reason for it.
Oct 20 08:40:23 <vanguard> johnx: BTW, none of the akita-2008 images are working. You cannot get input in X.
Oct 20 08:40:46 <vanguard> I tried a fresh installation, with no success.
Oct 20 08:41:01 <johnx> I built an akita 2008 image for myself. I had to apply one fix to the keymap and one fix for the tslib fb rotation
Oct 20 08:41:19 <johnx> what x server version are you using in your 2007.12 image?
Oct 20 08:41:35 <vanguard> xserver-kdrive 1.4
Oct 20 08:41:42 <vanguard> The latest.
Oct 20 08:41:47 <johnx> aha! same problems then
Oct 20 08:42:08 <johnx> is that really in the 2007 feed?
Oct 20 08:42:30 <vanguard> No, it is the 2008 feed,
Oct 20 08:42:42 <johnx> well, that would be a big part of the problem
Oct 20 08:42:51 <johnx> I'm surprised your akita boots at all
Oct 20 08:43:02 <vanguard> The 2007-feed got NO input at all, but position (landscape) was correct.
Oct 20 08:43:27 <vanguard> Oh, everything else is working fine. Except of X.
Oct 20 08:43:35 <johnx> that's amazing
Oct 20 08:43:42 <vanguard> Indeed. :)
Oct 20 08:43:49 <eekee> so 2008 packages work on top of a 2007 install?
Oct 20 08:44:02 <johnx> vanguard, let me pastebin a keymap and a config file to use to get your keyboard support
Oct 20 08:44:15 <vanguard> eekee: Yes, they do.
Oct 20 08:44:27 <johnx> vanguard, for stylus input I'd need to send you an .ipk ... but I have no place to upload to
Oct 20 08:44:32 <eekee> cool! 
Oct 20 08:44:37 <vanguard> eekee: But there is still an X bug !
Oct 20 08:44:59 <vanguard> Just send it by mail ?
Oct 20 08:45:06 <vanguard> DCC would be fine. too.
Oct 20 08:45:18 <johnx> ok, I'm behind firewalls, but I'll give it a try
Oct 20 08:45:23 <vanguard> If my router will allow it.
Oct 20 08:45:40 <vanguard> You can send it by mail.
Oct 20 08:45:48 <vanguard> thunderstar@loop.de
Oct 20 08:46:25 <vanguard> And if nothing works: Try rapidshare.
Oct 20 08:50:10 <vanguard> eekee: I updated first the 2007-feed, but X got no input. As a matter of despair, I chenged to the 2008-feed, and made an ipkg upgrade. Everything was working fine, instead of X.
Oct 20 08:50:25 <eekee> right
Oct 20 08:51:22 <vanguard> One little problem was after the first upgrade: X did not start. I could correct this, by reinstalliing libhal0.
Oct 20 08:52:09 <johnx> hold on. I'll be back in about a half hour. I'll just email everything then
Oct 20 08:52:46 <vanguard> After I got X started, I could not geht input to it. This appears only, when in landscape, in portrait-modus everything is working fine.
Oct 20 08:52:56 <eekee> eenteresting
Oct 20 08:53:12 <vanguard> johnx: Cool ! Thank you very much ! I willl test it, and report of it.
Oct 20 08:59:59 <vanguard> Does someone know the technical background, why all binaries are somehowlinked to busybox
Oct 20 09:00:02 <vanguard> ?
Oct 20 09:00:54 <vanguard> What is the advantage and eason for this ?
Oct 20 09:03:46 <eekee> possibly the same reason that desktop linuxes get really wierd issues if you statically link coreutils, even though most coreutils progs should be statically linked for efficiency
Oct 20 09:06:12 <vanguard> O.k., I understand.
Oct 20 09:15:00 <Tomoe> vanguard: I was kiddin'
Oct 20 09:15:58 <vanguard> Tomoe: No problem. :)
Oct 20 09:52:39 <johnx> vanguard, email sent
Oct 20 09:55:36 <vanguard> Ah, cool. 
Oct 20 09:55:43 <vanguard> I will right install it.
Oct 20 10:04:23 <vanguard> Installed ! Now rebooting, and see what happens.
Oct 20 10:06:48 <vanguard> Grumpf ! Same as before.
Oct 20 10:07:46 <vanguard> It is rotated to the wrong position.
Oct 20 10:08:34 <vanguard> It should be 90 degrees clockwise rotated.
Oct 20 10:08:54 <vanguard> Can I force this at startup ?
Oct 20 10:09:25 <vanguard> I swa something like 640x480@270 in /etc/X11/Xserver
Oct 20 10:12:22 <vanguard> johnx: Sorry to tell you, that it is still not working.
Oct 20 10:14:23 <eekee> vanguard: 480x640@270
Oct 20 10:14:59 <vanguard> Yes, exactly. But changing this, got no effect.
Oct 20 10:15:36 <eekee> hmm.. anything in X logs about missing RANDR extension?
Oct 20 10:15:50 <eekee> (I get that on my desktop, but havne't bothered to fix)
Oct 20 10:17:54 <vanguard> No, nothing. I fear, the bug is still there. Might it interfere with xserever-common ???
Oct 20 10:18:14 <eekee> hmmm
Oct 20 10:18:44 <eekee> I've no idea
Oct 20 10:19:18 <vanguard> As I said before: xserver-common and xserver-kdrive got different /etc/X11/Xinit, maybe they got different binaries, too. 
Oct 20 10:19:32 <vanguard> And BTW: Is xserver-common needed at all ????
Oct 20 10:19:55 <eekee> oh that's wierd
Oct 20 10:24:04 <eekee> vanguard: have you tried installing xserver-kdrive after xserver-common or the other way around? maybe one needs to be installed before the other
Oct 20 10:24:20 <eekee> (source-distro experience speaking. :)
Oct 20 10:24:47 <vanguard> I tried both ways. At the moment I deinstalled xserver-common.
Oct 20 10:25:00 <vanguard> It seems, it is not needed somehow.
Oct 20 10:25:41 <eekee> o ok
Oct 20 10:25:47 <eekee> I give up, sorry
Oct 20 10:26:20 <vanguard> hehe, no problem, It is really tricky.
Oct 20 10:26:27 <eekee> k :)
Oct 20 10:29:08 <eekee> package browser still breaking on libc6-dev. Can anyone give me a direct link to the latest version in 2007.12 feed? I can't get my Z online at the mo, bad router
Oct 20 10:30:13 <vanguard> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv5te/base/
Oct 20 10:53:53 <vanguard> Yeah !!! Got it !!!
Oct 20 10:54:07 <vanguard> I reinstalled xserver-common, and now it works.
Oct 20 10:55:00 <vanguard> I suppose, the combination of xserver-common and the files from johnx (12keyboard and SLCXXX.mmodmap) was the right thibg.
Oct 20 10:55:11 <Tomoe> so you went with the Microsoft method
Oct 20 10:55:13 <Tomoe> huh
Oct 20 10:55:28 <vanguard> You mean, Try and Error ?
Oct 20 10:56:26 <vanguard> Yes, but as I mentioned before: xserver-kdrive and xserver-common use different scripts. 
Oct 20 10:56:53 <vanguard> Suppose, the maintainers should decide, which one shall be the active.
Oct 20 11:02:16 <Tomoe> no, the 'reinstall everything, problem solved' method
Oct 20 11:02:18 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 20 11:05:44 <vanguard> Not quite. As I first checked the scripts, I tested,which one might be working. And so I got nearer and nearer to the bug.
Oct 20 11:09:03 <eekee> vanguard: awe sum. thank you.
Oct 20 11:14:13 <vanguard> I discovered  a new problem: rotating the Z to vertical will add the software-keyboard to the Statusline at the bottom. Reversing it back., does not delete it.
Oct 20 11:14:31 <vanguard> This meeans: 5 rotates = 5 Keyboards below.
Oct 20 11:15:03 <johnx> vanguard, it appears and disappears on mine
Oct 20 11:17:21 <vanguard> Hmm, how did you manage it ?
Oct 20 11:19:47 <vanguard> Do you know the package which is reponsible that for ? So I could take a look, what is different to yours. Maybe it is because of an old config file.
Oct 20 11:20:20 <vanguard> Some time ago, this was already working, but now no more.
Oct 20 11:21:35 <johnx> it worked from the start...I really have no idea what affects it
Oct 20 11:21:52 <johnx> but you're right. probably something to do with updating from 2007 to 2008
Oct 20 11:24:14 <vanguard> If that is really the case, it will be easy to deinstall and install the package. (the Microsoft-way lol)
Oct 20 11:32:57 <johnx> vanguard, ahaha...I'm getting incorrect rotation with the latest x server. is there a bug filed?
Oct 20 11:33:43 <vanguard> Yes, that is the bug, I was talking about the last time.
Oct 20 11:33:46 <vanguard> :)
Oct 20 11:33:55 <vanguard> Exactly this one.
Oct 20 11:34:49 <vanguard> There is a bug filed.
Oct 20 11:35:07 <johnx> I see the one about input, but not one about the screen rotation being off 90 degrees
Oct 20 11:35:09 <vanguard> But maybe I desribed it not exactly enough (my English)
Oct 20 11:35:33 <vanguard> Yes, this is the one.
Oct 20 11:36:02 <vanguard> Originally, I got no input, then after a few updates, I got input and wrong rotation.
Oct 20 11:36:21 <Tomoe> SUP HY
Oct 20 11:38:54 <vanguard> I suppose, this all belongs together and has oviously something to do with tslib.
Oct 20 11:39:09 <johnx> errr...I don't think it's related
Oct 20 11:39:26 <vanguard> johnx: Is ist bug 4723 ?
Oct 20 11:40:14 <johnx> yes. I think the input bugs are separate from each other. so is rotation
Oct 20 11:40:17 <johnx> 3 bugs, not 1
Oct 20 11:40:50 <vanguard> In /etc/X11/Xinit are still wrong paths. All are pointing to /usr/X11R6/bin, which is definately outdated. 
Oct 20 11:41:38 <johnx> 4 bugs then :)
Oct 20 11:43:30 <vanguard> O.k., so let us summarize: bug 1 is the wrong rotation, bug 2 the thing with the keyboard, bug 3 no input (now solved), bug 4 the wrong paths in /etc/X11/Xinit 
Oct 20 11:44:27 <vanguard> BTW: The no input in X ist NOT solved ! It is still in all akita-2008-images. 
Oct 20 11:46:13 <johnx> 1 wrong rotation 2 no keyboard 3 no touchscreen 4 old paths in /etc/X11/Xinit
Oct 20 11:46:56 <vanguard> Will you file the bugreports or shall I do it ?
Oct 20 11:47:31 <johnx> I'm going to try and solve them first, makes things more likely to get fixed :)
Oct 20 11:47:47 <vanguard> Yes, you solved already one.
Oct 20 11:48:10 <johnx> screen rotation should be easy. you replaced SCREEN_SIZE with 480x640 , right?
Oct 20 11:48:58 <vanguard> Did you read ? Installing xserver-common AFTER xserver-kdrive-xfbev plus your new files will let it work.
Oct 20 11:49:34 <vanguard> Hmm, without the "@270" you mean ?
Oct 20 11:50:14 <vanguard> I tried to replace this, but this did not work.
Oct 20 11:51:08 <vanguard> Additionally I changed the @270 to @90 and @180, (as I thought, this might be degrees) , but no success, too.
Oct 20 11:51:59 <vanguard> I found out, that screen roatation is correct, when you do not start with tslib.
Oct 20 11:52:38 <johnx> ok, I'll test that
Oct 20 11:52:57 <vanguard> If you start Xfbev 480x640@270 (similar to that), the X is starting correctly, but you get no mouse.
Oct 20 11:53:23 <vanguard> If you do the same, and start adding -mouse tslib, then the rotation is wrong.
Oct 20 11:53:35 <johnx> huh
Oct 20 11:54:45 <vanguard> So I suppose, it is relating to tslib. There is a bugreport somewhere, where this problem is discussed. Obviously the option -mouse tslib is not known by the newest xserver-kdrive.
Oct 20 11:55:14 <vanguard> There were some changes in the version 1.3 and higher.
Oct 20 11:57:04 <vanguard> http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3678
Oct 20 11:57:18 <vanguard> There is some discussion ralated to the rotation bug.
Oct 20 11:58:27 <johnx> that's totally different
Oct 20 11:58:52 <vanguard> Ah, there it is ! This is the hint to the kdrive and tslib problem, I mentioned. 
Oct 20 11:58:55 <vanguard> http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3741
Oct 20 11:59:08 <vanguard> Maybe I did not understand it correctly.
Oct 20 11:59:37 <johnx> right, that's the patch I applied to the x server package I sent to you :)
Oct 20 11:59:40 <vanguard> You are better in English. :)
Oct 20 12:00:00 <johnx> I cheat :) It's my native language
Oct 20 12:00:28 <johnx> I'm not as good at my second languages as you are :)
Oct 20 12:00:35 <vanguard> I am German, so sorry, if something is not understandable.
Oct 20 12:00:42 <johnx> no problem
Oct 20 12:00:54 <johnx> I know how hard it is to learn a second language
Oct 20 12:01:17 <johnx> and like I said, your English is better than my Spanish (mi Espanol)
Oct 20 12:01:17 <vanguard> Yes, and Englisg is much easier than German.
Oct 20 12:02:13 <vanguard> O.k., so input with keyboard is working.
Oct 20 12:02:34 <thesing> how can I tell if the xserver is rotated by default?
Oct 20 12:02:53 <vanguard> But still the problem with the wrong rotation. It is running fine, when you use the scripts and configs of xserver-common.
Oct 20 12:03:29 <johnx> thesing, xrandr maybe? 
Oct 20 12:03:31 <vanguard> thesing: There is a file below /var/run/
Oct 20 12:03:56 <vanguard> /var/run/last-rotation or similar.
Oct 20 12:04:10 <vanguard> But changing this, made no effect at my Z.
Oct 20 12:12:33 <thesing> ok xrandr tells me that it runs with 320x240. But it should be 240x320 any idea how to change it?
Oct 20 12:13:15 <johnx> how to rotate or how to make xrandr say the right thing?
Oct 20 12:15:13 <thesing> Not sure. I want to get the ts working. xcalibrate seems to work, but after that the cursor doesn't work
Oct 20 12:15:20 <vanguard> johnx: In your keymap, did you deactivate the "Fn"-Key ?
Oct 20 12:16:01 <johnx> vanguard, nah, it's just weird. it's like caps-lock. press once to turn it on. press again to turn it off
Oct 20 12:16:08 <johnx> if you can fix it, tell me
Oct 20 12:16:23 <zautosa> hello everyone
Oct 20 12:17:03 <johnx> hi
Oct 20 12:17:03 <vanguard> johnx: I cannot find the "/" because of this.
Oct 20 12:17:05 <zautosa> is by any chance someone with tosa + openzaurus/angstrom experience present ?
Oct 20 12:17:11 <zautosa> hi
Oct 20 12:17:13 <vanguard> hi zautosa 
Oct 20 12:17:22 <zautosa> :)
Oct 20 12:18:27 <johnx> vanguard, press fn, press /, press fn
Oct 20 12:19:08 <vanguard> No luck. I just get < and >
Oct 20 12:19:30 <johnx> vanguard, wait, / is with shift
Oct 20 12:19:50 <vanguard> Yes, yes, I know, but no success. :)
Oct 20 12:21:30 <vanguard> autorepeat of the keyboard is not working, too. This thing I discovered since some days ago.
Oct 20 12:22:07 <vanguard> What do you think, shall I try an older keymap ?
Oct 20 12:22:37 <johnx> sure, if you can find one
Oct 20 12:22:44 <johnx> the way I fixed this was a hack anyways
Oct 20 12:28:16 <vanguard> johnx: I tried an older one, but this was no fifference.
Oct 20 12:28:47 <vanguard> So you can be sure, it is not bcause of your keyboard-driver.
Oct 20 12:29:06 <johnx> well, actually it is. but I don't know another way to fix it
Oct 20 12:29:30 <johnx> older versions of xfbdev have a built-in keymap. newer ones don't
Oct 20 12:30:01 <johnx> I made that keymap by dumping it from a running version of an old version of xfbdev, then copied it
Oct 20 12:30:13 <johnx> it's just so you can use your keyboard until there is a real fix
Oct 20 12:31:06 <vanguard> O.k., I see the problem. Obviously it is not the same as the built in.
Oct 20 12:31:41 <johnx> right, it's not perfect for some reason
Oct 20 12:32:18 <johnx> anyways, I'm gonna get some sleep
Oct 20 12:32:19 <johnx> 'night
Oct 20 12:32:57 <vanguard> Good night ! And thanks for the help anyway !!! I will test a little bit more, maybe I will find out some things.
Oct 20 21:14:01 <Tomoe> johnx: you around?
Oct 20 22:10:51 <johnx> Tomoe, yeah, just got up
Oct 20 22:11:18 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 20 22:11:21 <Tomoe> 'morning
Oct 20 22:12:10 * johnx yawns
Oct 20 22:12:36 <Tomoe> wait til I dig up the link again
Oct 20 22:14:00 <johnx> no hurry, I'll be here
Oct 20 22:14:50 <Tomoe> http://blogs.computerworld.com/call_it_a_sub_subnotebook_new_pc_is_small_as_a_cell_phone
Oct 20 22:14:59 <Tomoe> ITS BETTER THAN PANDORA
Oct 20 22:15:00 <Tomoe> HAR HAR
Oct 20 22:16:05 <Tomoe> http://www.webitpr.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=10258
Oct 20 22:20:10 <johnx> huh, looks neat
Oct 20 22:20:27 <johnx> slower than a zaurus though :P
Oct 20 22:21:00 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 20 22:21:04 <Tomoe> 'looks neat'?
Oct 20 22:21:08 <Tomoe> a QVGA?
Oct 20 22:21:10 <Tomoe> lol
Oct 20 22:21:17 <johnx> ah, didn't even catch that :P
Oct 20 22:21:28 <johnx> you're supposed to tell me these things!
Oct 20 22:21:50 <Tomoe> no, you're supposed to read!
Oct 20 22:22:03 <johnx> it's early!
Oct 20 22:22:07 * johnx goes to make coffee
Oct 20 22:22:26 <Tomoe> another addict..
Oct 20 22:22:43 <johnx> meh...there's far worse things to be addicted to
Oct 20 22:22:57 <Tomoe> such as cigarettes
Oct 20 22:23:25 <johnx> or cocaine
Oct 20 22:37:37 <johnx> jeez...and linux 2.4.19? WTH?
Oct 20 23:02:18 <Tomoe> johnx: har har
Oct 20 23:02:28 <Tomoe> defective.by.design huh
Oct 20 23:03:09 <johnx> I was really worried that I'd missed out on something awesome when you first linked it
Oct 20 23:25:19 <johnx> alright, time to play with my illume build :)
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