**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 06 02:59:57 2008 Nov 06 04:37:40 hi Nov 06 04:37:59 anyone at the pc? Nov 06 04:38:27 yup Nov 06 04:38:35 great Nov 06 04:38:37 well Nov 06 04:38:40 im a newbie Nov 06 04:38:48 with handhelds and linux Nov 06 04:38:59 and i just got a hx4700 ipaq Nov 06 04:39:12 i wanted to ask for a bit of guidance Nov 06 04:39:19 :) Nov 06 04:39:31 ok. just ask, and I'll answer if I can Nov 06 04:39:50 is angstrom the best way to put linux on it? Nov 06 04:40:02 or are there better distros? Nov 06 04:40:29 the kind of thing i would use is embedded video like youtube Nov 06 04:40:31 mm Nov 06 04:40:39 opera browser or firefox Nov 06 04:40:42 openoffice Nov 06 04:40:44 ... Nov 06 04:40:45 gimp Nov 06 04:41:00 hmm... Nov 06 04:41:07 java for some games Nov 06 04:41:20 you're probably going to have a lot of problems with most of those Nov 06 04:41:37 oh Nov 06 04:41:40 really? Nov 06 04:41:45 why is that? Nov 06 04:41:54 I don't mean to discourage you, but there are a couple reasons: Nov 06 04:42:36 linux on the ipaqs isn't really that easy to use and 64MB of RAM and that CPU is just not that much to be using all of those really heavy programs Nov 06 04:43:06 ah Nov 06 04:43:18 i understand Nov 06 04:43:35 if you're willing to learn and read, then you'll be able to do at least some of that Nov 06 04:43:48 there are other programs than the ones you listed that will work better on slower computers Nov 06 04:43:54 I think angstrom is your best bet Nov 06 04:43:57 actually i had been looking for a memory upgrade to 128. does that look like enough? Nov 06 04:44:12 thats good Nov 06 04:44:29 ive read a bit about angstrom and i like it Nov 06 04:44:31 have you found a way to solder more memory onto the PCB? Nov 06 04:44:43 its a service Nov 06 04:44:45 u send it in Nov 06 04:44:48 they do it Nov 06 04:44:51 ah, well that's kind of neat Nov 06 04:44:51 and send it back Nov 06 04:44:58 that would definitely help with speed Nov 06 04:45:10 hope so Nov 06 04:45:12 costs a lot Nov 06 04:45:17 :0 Nov 06 04:45:27 well Nov 06 04:45:43 the next thing im insecure about are the manuals Nov 06 04:45:47 they all seem so old Nov 06 04:45:52 and no direct support Nov 06 04:45:53 wow...$199? Nov 06 04:46:01 like 1 2 3 steps Nov 06 04:46:04 yes Nov 06 04:46:07 hehe Nov 06 04:46:23 have you looked at the Nokia Internet Tablets? like the N800 and N810? Nov 06 04:46:36 no Nov 06 04:46:41 are they better? Nov 06 04:47:20 well, "better" is kind of a loaded word, but they work out of the box Nov 06 04:47:28 ah Nov 06 04:47:30 yes Nov 06 04:47:46 but the fun was to get the old 4700 working :) Nov 06 04:47:51 i wanted a challenge Nov 06 04:48:03 well, you should play with angstrom then. :) Nov 06 04:48:06 now ive got my hands full :P Nov 06 04:48:19 read as much as you can and ask questions here. Nov 06 04:48:29 i read the manual Nov 06 04:48:47 then if you find that you really like having a handheld device for web surfing you should probably just go out and buy an n800 or n810 Nov 06 04:48:49 my first question is if there is no more up to date literature on specific devices Nov 06 04:49:03 if you haven't already found it, then probably not Nov 06 04:49:27 oh.. Nov 06 04:49:39 dead end... Nov 06 04:49:53 u see, my main concern is hardware support Nov 06 04:50:19 the issues with familiar seem to be just that Nov 06 04:50:38 have you seen this page: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700 Nov 06 04:50:49 yes Nov 06 04:50:55 but its a partial truth Nov 06 04:50:59 hmm? Nov 06 04:51:14 well, under ideal circumstances you can get those to work Nov 06 04:51:24 but a lot of people have problems without end Nov 06 04:51:31 its in forums Nov 06 04:51:45 but then Nov 06 04:51:50 the next main issue is Nov 06 04:51:57 that even with familiar working Nov 06 04:52:11 the packages available are not that many Nov 06 04:52:24 its not that attractive basically Nov 06 04:52:42 for example Nov 06 04:52:49 well, angstrom probably uses the same kernel, and should have more packages. but it's not going to have the same number of packages as say, ubuntu or fedora Nov 06 04:52:51 they managed to get kde working with sound Nov 06 04:53:05 but then they cannot get a media player to work on it Nov 06 04:53:09 so sound for nothing Nov 06 04:53:27 i understand Nov 06 04:53:51 does driver support depend on the kernel? Nov 06 04:53:58 yes, mostly Nov 06 04:54:35 so basically any linux with that familiar kernel could support all my hardware.. Nov 06 04:54:44 sounds good Nov 06 04:54:48 any linux compiled for arm Nov 06 04:55:04 ah Nov 06 04:55:11 also, I should emphasize the *mostly* :) Nov 06 04:55:18 so is the 2.6 kernel just for arm? Nov 06 04:55:25 or is it also the current desktop kernel Nov 06 04:55:32 hehe Nov 06 04:55:34 yeah Nov 06 04:55:36 it's the current kernel for everything :) Nov 06 04:55:46 ok Nov 06 04:55:53 that leads me to one thing Nov 06 04:55:59 very interesting Nov 06 04:56:05 but i didnt fully understand Nov 06 04:56:17 a person installed a distro on his 4700 Nov 06 04:56:32 and then set up a chroot of debian Nov 06 04:56:51 that allowed him to install all debian arm packages Nov 06 04:57:06 i understand the concept Nov 06 04:57:24 he tricked the debian server to think he was on debian and so access the repositories Nov 06 04:57:39 but the process baffled me hehe Nov 06 04:57:53 http://www.mindstab.net/wordpress/archives/247#comment-29994 Nov 06 04:57:55 this is it Nov 06 04:58:06 if you've never used linux before, you're jumping into the deep end Nov 06 04:58:12 yes Nov 06 04:58:14 nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying. :) Nov 06 04:58:18 hehe Nov 06 04:58:22 well, to be honest Nov 06 04:58:32 if it werent for that i would not be here Nov 06 04:58:41 i have more devices than i can use Nov 06 04:58:43 lol Nov 06 04:58:59 i mean Nov 06 04:59:02 ahaha...same here Nov 06 04:59:03 silly things like a DS Nov 06 04:59:09 and a PS2 Nov 06 04:59:11 and 2 pcs Nov 06 04:59:17 and 3 phones... Nov 06 04:59:21 it gets silly Nov 06 04:59:33 hehe Nov 06 04:59:42 yeah, my ps2 is gathering dust. it still gets used for burnout3 when I have people over Nov 06 04:59:53 yeah Nov 06 05:00:01 really cool game Nov 06 05:00:22 its one of my favourites with nfsu Nov 06 05:00:30 but in my case Nov 06 05:00:59 i got the ps2 with all my heart Nov 06 05:01:31 and i managed to crack a memory card to load backups without chiping the console Nov 06 05:01:44 and once i could play i realised i dont have time hahaha Nov 06 05:01:53 heh...that's always the way Nov 06 05:02:19 have u heard about the mem card exploit? Nov 06 05:02:30 its not the topic but really interesting Nov 06 05:02:34 nah, nut I have time to play anyways :) Nov 06 05:02:42 hehe Nov 06 05:03:00 well, back to angstrom Nov 06 05:03:13 I googled and bookmarked for when I have time :) Nov 06 05:03:15 i want to learn linux, more than actually use the pda Nov 06 05:03:39 http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:_NgjE38N9oMJ:www.psx-scene.com/forums/freevast/58441-esr-public-beta.html+download+esr+disk+patcher&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=es&client=firefox-a Nov 06 05:03:47 this is the link to a free program Nov 06 05:03:51 esr Nov 06 05:04:04 really interesting how the figured out the exploit Nov 06 05:04:08 took 8 years Nov 06 05:04:12 jeez Nov 06 05:04:17 no wonder I didn't hear about it Nov 06 05:04:28 its pretty recent Nov 06 05:04:43 that's some real craziness, but reverse engineering seems to have picked up recently Nov 06 05:04:50 u basically trick the console to believe its playing a dvd Nov 06 05:04:59 it does not apply anticopy to dvd playback Nov 06 05:05:17 so the program manages to get the console in software mode within dvd mode Nov 06 05:05:21 in a nutshell Nov 06 05:06:00 yeah, specially with linux and arm Nov 06 05:06:08 its amazing whats being done Nov 06 05:06:58 and the fact that they got motorola to contribute and that companies like trolltech are now doing official linux for devices Nov 06 05:07:27 its gathered amazing momentum thanks to the guys that started the reverse engineering a few years ago Nov 06 05:07:53 well, more than a few :) but I know what you mean Nov 06 05:08:05 hehe Nov 06 05:08:11 im not an expert Nov 06 05:08:30 been reading everything i can find for a week and really thrilled :) Nov 06 05:08:58 has it been 5 years doing linux for htcs? Nov 06 05:09:13 I don't even know O_o Nov 06 05:09:16 maybe around that Nov 06 05:09:19 what i think is that microsoft is over Nov 06 05:09:23 I have a couple zauruses myself Nov 06 05:09:31 imagine in 2 years Nov 06 05:09:44 one mobile per person Nov 06 05:09:52 but only one pc per family on average Nov 06 05:10:06 that is a good point Nov 06 05:10:16 these are very interesting times :) Nov 06 05:10:19 therefore potentially many times linux per windows device Nov 06 05:10:24 yes Nov 06 05:10:38 that might lead to people then installing linux at home Nov 06 05:10:52 they just need immersion Nov 06 05:11:16 it will probably lead to companies shipping linux on low end computers at least Nov 06 05:11:27 dell is doing it now! Nov 06 05:11:36 most people only need a web browser and a word processor anyways Nov 06 05:11:43 yeah Nov 06 05:11:50 have u heard about beagleboard? Nov 06 05:12:00 of course :) Nov 06 05:12:08 haha Nov 06 05:12:17 looks interesting. And I'm on the pre-order list for the pandora Nov 06 05:12:19 i lov eit Nov 06 05:12:32 ill google it now Nov 06 05:12:41 http://openpandora.org Nov 06 05:13:29 cool! Nov 06 05:13:42 i saw that on angstrom but not read it yet Nov 06 05:14:45 amazing Nov 06 05:15:18 whats the price? Nov 06 05:15:30 $330 US I think Nov 06 05:15:32 ah 330 euro Nov 06 05:15:40 not bad at all Nov 06 05:15:44 its a pc anyway Nov 06 05:16:02 i tihnk im next :P Nov 06 05:16:02 depends on what you mean by PC :) Nov 06 05:16:15 once i get the 4700 working and a bit of experience Nov 06 05:16:19 mm Nov 06 05:16:22 well, ur right Nov 06 05:16:26 but basic needs Nov 06 05:16:39 such as office functions Nov 06 05:17:05 what I mean is it's also an ARM processor, like your hx4700 so there's still going to be little differences between it and a desktop Nov 06 05:17:12 yes Nov 06 05:17:15 i c Nov 06 05:17:16 in terms of performance I'm not worried at all Nov 06 05:17:37 it's all in terms of lots of little fixes to make to have things working Nov 06 05:17:42 it looks very powerfull Nov 06 05:17:59 im pretty sure u will be able to get it working on a high res lcd Nov 06 05:18:16 yeah, that should finally allow for decent web surfing Nov 06 05:18:18 and that it can use periferals like the beagle Nov 06 05:18:47 the pandora has s-video out, but no dvi out Nov 06 05:19:14 yes, the little fixes make it more of a hardcore linux thing Nov 06 05:19:21 not an end user thing Nov 06 05:19:35 shame about the svideo Nov 06 05:19:49 well it's only hardcore users for now Nov 06 05:19:56 i just hope there is some kind of workaround Nov 06 05:19:56 things are getting better all the time Nov 06 05:20:09 yeah Nov 06 05:20:10 for high resolution video out? Nov 06 05:20:20 there's no workaround Nov 06 05:20:22 i dont want to be left behind :> Nov 06 05:20:26 no? Nov 06 05:20:40 can it not use an adapter? Nov 06 05:20:46 not from svideo Nov 06 05:20:53 but like some usb periferal Nov 06 05:21:03 that'd be pretty slow I think Nov 06 05:21:14 ah Nov 06 05:21:18 they're kinda slow even on desktops Nov 06 05:21:20 shame then Nov 06 05:21:47 what i did like about the beagle is the max res of 1280x1024 Nov 06 05:21:57 nothing you can do about it really. the processor only has two video outs: a digital one for LCDs and an analog one for s-video Nov 06 05:22:06 they should be designing microlaptops soon Nov 06 05:22:19 like netbooks? Nov 06 05:22:33 asking google hehe Nov 06 05:22:39 I mean like the eee pc? Nov 06 05:23:01 ah yes Nov 06 05:23:09 just more battery life Nov 06 05:23:24 rumor says there will be a couple netbooks with ARM CPUs next year or so Nov 06 05:23:24 i saw a video comparing power consumption of atom vs arm Nov 06 05:23:37 cool Nov 06 05:23:57 the problem is that the screen backlight is the most power hungry thing Nov 06 05:24:02 yes Nov 06 05:24:10 but Nov 06 05:24:18 they did account for it Nov 06 05:24:30 I just mean, going forwards Nov 06 05:24:34 they used a small high res mobile screen for the arm Nov 06 05:24:47 vs a notebook with the atom Nov 06 05:24:58 and it was like 3 times less power hungry Nov 06 05:25:04 but to be fair Nov 06 05:25:13 the arm screen was very small Nov 06 05:25:25 and about 1/2 res at least Nov 06 05:26:03 wish id bookmarked it Nov 06 05:26:17 so Nov 06 05:26:35 do you think i could do the debian chroot on angstrom? Nov 06 05:27:03 or was it just a thing that he could do cause familiar has a debian base? Nov 06 05:27:16 angstrom and familiar are pretty close Nov 06 05:27:28 you could do it from any distro to any distro Nov 06 05:27:39 nice! Nov 06 05:27:42 errr...actually, let me read exactly what he did before I get your hopes up Nov 06 05:27:47 will be real challenge i think Nov 06 05:27:49 ok Nov 06 05:28:31 yeah, should be fine Nov 06 05:28:38 just a simple chroot, nothing fancy Nov 06 05:30:17 great Nov 06 05:30:36 it would have been cool to emulate windows on the pda Nov 06 05:30:39 lol Nov 06 05:30:46 fancy thinking hehe Nov 06 05:30:51 but i read up on whine Nov 06 05:31:00 and the arm has a different architecture Nov 06 05:31:09 plus what u said about the power it lacks Nov 06 05:31:22 nice to see people do their reading :) Nov 06 05:31:28 but i use a simple windows based program for my job Nov 06 05:31:34 its a shame Nov 06 05:31:36 hehe Nov 06 05:31:39 yeah Nov 06 05:31:45 im a pro geek Nov 06 05:32:00 i get distracted from eat and sleep even Nov 06 05:32:02 lol Nov 06 05:32:13 same here Nov 06 05:32:26 have u ever played wargames? Nov 06 05:32:40 like warhammer Nov 06 05:32:48 ah, nope. never got into that Nov 06 05:32:54 I don't have the $$$ or attention span Nov 06 05:32:59 haha Nov 06 05:33:05 i know what u mean Nov 06 05:33:32 well i found an itneresting material in a chinese shop Nov 06 05:33:38 and decided to read up Nov 06 05:33:44 elastomers Nov 06 05:33:55 or something similar :P Nov 06 05:34:24 and found an amazing type of silicone that allows perfect cloning Nov 06 05:34:39 i used to play warhammer Nov 06 05:34:53 and of course the idea flashed hehe Nov 06 05:35:41 as it turns out, there are advanced techniques on moldmaking using this silicone type and poliurethane resin Nov 06 05:35:56 that u can simply do on ur desk table :> Nov 06 05:36:04 using legos lol Nov 06 05:36:16 ahaha. that's kind of awesome Nov 06 05:36:17 and plasticene Nov 06 05:36:21 yeah Nov 06 05:36:28 i mean Nov 06 05:36:36 something breaks Nov 06 05:36:43 u glue it and its fragile Nov 06 05:36:45 well u clone it Nov 06 05:36:53 and the replica in resin is HARD Nov 06 05:37:04 people fix locks like this Nov 06 05:37:22 the warhammer thing is just a little fancy of mine hehe Nov 06 05:37:43 that sounds pretty awesome. I should totally get into that once I have some desk space :D Nov 06 05:38:42 its called RTV silicone for the molds Nov 06 05:38:50 and poliurethane resin for the cast Nov 06 05:39:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq2ZTK7xICk Nov 06 05:39:20 and this is the tutorial Nov 06 05:39:29 then there is part 2 of the video Nov 06 05:39:33 in which he casts Nov 06 05:40:35 i read about an alternative to wine Nov 06 05:40:42 to use windows software on linux Nov 06 05:40:48 its was a virtual box i think Nov 06 05:41:07 sort of running and os within an os Nov 06 05:41:39 well virtualbox and vmware are x86 only, but there is a version of qemu that runs on arm and emulates x86 I think Nov 06 05:41:42 can u remember the name? Nov 06 05:41:50 nice! Nov 06 05:42:12 it's very beta, but we are talking about something that is *not fast* :) Nov 06 05:42:13 i need to run a little calculator program Nov 06 05:42:18 i think it should work Nov 06 05:42:23 hehe Nov 06 05:42:30 will your calculator run on a 386? Nov 06 05:42:35 not fast as in slight understatement :> Nov 06 05:42:42 i think so Nov 06 05:42:50 it might just take a bit to get results Nov 06 05:43:04 bochs is another one Nov 06 05:43:11 writing down Nov 06 05:43:33 and if your app will run in windows 3.1, then dosbox is probably your best bet Nov 06 05:43:48 not sure Nov 06 05:43:57 its graphical Nov 06 05:45:52 have u got messenger to keep in touch? Nov 06 05:46:08 im going to sleep Nov 06 05:46:29 sure, one sec Nov 06 05:46:33 but it would be cool to keep talking Nov 06 05:46:54 got it? Nov 06 05:47:12 yes Nov 06 16:10:37 hey guys I have a quick question for you Nov 06 16:11:01 ok, go for it Nov 06 16:11:25 devfs is deprecated now and i'm trying to compile a kernel for my system (not supported by angstrom) all goes well but I need a /dev to boot mtd off of...now since devfs is deprecated i should use udev right???should tmpfs be used to page this in ram?!?! Nov 06 16:12:00 the board boot off mtd and without a /dev kinda hard to tell the kernel to mount /dev/mtdblock3 lol =) Nov 06 16:12:16 now the previous kernel I used used devfs (back in the days the 2.4.x that was the way to go) Nov 06 16:12:33 both systems I have here have /dev on a tmpfs and use udev Nov 06 16:12:45 kk thanks Nov 06 16:13:03 you might need to keep a static /dev around to use before udev is started Nov 06 16:17:03 hummm how does one go about doing that tho Nov 06 16:17:26 I'm old school 2.4 i recently 1year ago started trusting the 2.6.x releases lol Nov 06 16:17:41 actually trying to read up on it right now =) Nov 06 16:18:47 are you putting together a distribution from scratch? Nov 06 16:18:58 johnx, no Nov 06 16:19:03 trying to make angstrom work on the device Nov 06 16:19:13 so far kernel works thill it tries to mount root Nov 06 16:19:52 mtd has the correct partitions (I added them myself) Nov 06 16:20:23 are you using an initfs? Nov 06 16:23:40 as in initrd image? Nov 06 16:25:14 yes Nov 06 16:25:28 no I was trying to avoid doing that since for now i'm stuck using a crappy bootloader Nov 06 16:25:38 Can't get u-boot to play friendly with this gps for now Nov 06 16:25:53 so i'm stuck with vivi which I'm not sure I trust with an initrd Nov 06 16:26:13 is that my only option?? Nov 06 16:26:28 no of course not Nov 06 16:26:53 i'd like to have an equivalent of devfs in a way Nov 06 16:26:57 but I want to be up to par Nov 06 16:27:18 and udev is what everybody uses I just haven't found a good doc on mtd + udev booting Nov 06 16:27:20 really, I don't know why it wouldn't be able to mount / Nov 06 16:27:39 I don't really think udev is related to it not mounting / Nov 06 16:28:42 weird Nov 06 16:28:54 ok lets see then maybe my thinking is flawed Nov 06 16:29:05 AFAIK the kernel tries to boot /dev/mtdblock3 Nov 06 16:29:17 well even if you had static entries in /dev on the root fs, it wouldn't be able to see them until after root is mounted Nov 06 16:29:29 yes exactly Nov 06 16:29:56 in 2.6.x it's /dev/mtdblock# right? Nov 06 16:30:06 correct Nov 06 16:30:08 in the 2.4x it's either /dev/mtd/# or /dev/mtdblock/# Nov 06 16:30:23 i do have the FS compiled in kernel for my image (a no brainer) Nov 06 16:30:29 so that can't be the issue Nov 06 16:30:58 is there a way to compile the kernel to give me all devices it see before trying to mount root??? Nov 06 16:31:04 like a list of /dev Nov 06 16:32:43 probably not without hacking the kernel Nov 06 16:32:54 what kernel command line are you using? Nov 06 16:33:24 root=/dev/mtdblock3 ro init=/bin/bash console=ttySAC0 Nov 06 16:33:35 hum but I've just noticed since i'm using jffs2 Nov 06 16:33:43 i should've enabled caching block device acces to mtd devices Nov 06 16:36:21 I'll recompile with that in =) Nov 06 16:36:39 hopefully that will help Nov 06 16:37:34 my question is as follows tho Nov 06 16:37:52 i though in the 2.4.x kernel you needed devfs to creat in ram a /dev that pointed to the device Nov 06 16:37:58 and that was a must for embedded system no? Nov 06 16:38:23 i probably have it wrong since that doesn't make much sense Nov 06 16:38:25 a must that it was in RAM? Nov 06 16:38:40 yes, having /dev in RAM is a "good thing (tm)" Nov 06 16:38:54 but should be created by default right? Nov 06 16:39:12 otherwise how would kernel mount /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 or whatever in a normal pc Nov 06 16:39:17 mmmmm Nov 06 16:39:36 i'm starting to wonder what's stoping me from mounting root Nov 06 16:39:39 by default? you mean before / is mounted? Nov 06 16:39:43 yes Nov 06 16:39:46 before / is mounted Nov 06 16:39:53 I don't think it works like that Nov 06 16:40:03 this is what i need to understand lol Nov 06 16:40:06 I'm pretty sure that devfs is mounted after / Nov 06 16:40:13 on a normal pc with lilo you can tell the kernel what to mount as root Nov 06 16:40:19 say /dev/sda1 Nov 06 16:40:33 how does the kernel mount /dev/sda1 is root ain't mounted and /dev/sda1 doesn't exist? Nov 06 16:40:44 s/is/as/g Nov 06 16:40:54 err Nov 06 16:40:57 s/is/if/g Nov 06 16:41:36 well /dev is just a nice representation for the user Nov 06 16:41:44 I see my MTD partition that were created...nand flash is detected correctly (ec75 hex id bit is read from it) Nov 06 16:41:54 I'm sure the kernel knows about all these devices internally Nov 06 16:42:12 but then i get VFS: Cannot open root device "mtdblock3" or unknown-block(0,0) Nov 06 16:42:19 johnx, that's what i figured at first Nov 06 16:42:36 johnx, but then go unsure since the VFS error is kinda confusing met o think otherwise Nov 06 16:43:03 well think about how it was handled with a static /dev Nov 06 16:43:09 no devfs, no udev Nov 06 16:44:05 did you ever use this bootloader successfully with the 2.4 kernel? Nov 06 16:45:33 yes Nov 06 16:46:03 this ir mostly reverse engineering Nov 06 16:46:09 had to find the jtag port etc etc Nov 06 16:46:17 was fun to try on a BGA proc with no Xray machine lol Nov 06 16:46:30 this is a past time alot of people have bought this gps and it's kinda crappy Nov 06 16:46:39 I wanted to try and revamp it for myself and she the info with others Nov 06 16:47:16 and actualy devfs load way before mounting root =) Nov 06 16:47:43 really? I'm a little confused about how that works Nov 06 16:47:46 but it's mounted after root is mounted tho Nov 06 16:47:52 so in that sense you are right Nov 06 16:47:55 so it can't be that Nov 06 16:49:34 hang on a sec. let me check the kernel commandline for the zaurus. should be similar Nov 06 16:50:50 actualyt Nov 06 16:51:07 i tried that but i used the zaurus slc-3200 and that's all HDD Nov 06 16:51:15 console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty1 noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=jffs2 fbcon=rotate:1 dyntick=enable debug Nov 06 16:51:18 unless angstrom has changed since then they try not to use flash Nov 06 16:51:21 see if that gives you an idea Nov 06 16:51:29 rootfstype Nov 06 16:51:30 that's for the akita (no hdd) Nov 06 16:51:30 interesting Nov 06 16:51:39 also "noinitrd" Nov 06 16:52:06 I know when mounting a jffs2 fs in 2.6 you always need to specific the type. it can't be automatically detected Nov 06 16:52:16 ahhhh Nov 06 16:52:20 then maybe that's the issue =) Nov 06 16:52:24 could be Nov 06 16:52:30 I make no promises :) Nov 06 16:52:41 all the info you can shoot at me is appreciated Nov 06 16:52:47 even if it doesn't fix the prob =) Nov 06 16:52:53 which reminds me I wanna try opie on my slc-3200 Nov 06 16:53:15 it's ok. it seems to really shine on the lower resolution devices Nov 06 16:53:29 hm Nov 06 16:53:34 the slc-3200 ain't lower res hahaha Nov 06 16:54:13 exactly. opie seems a little odd sometimes on 640x480 devices (to me at least) Nov 06 16:54:14 i wonder if i shoudl stay with GPE Nov 06 16:54:26 i haven't used my slc-3200 in a while tho Nov 06 16:54:29 poor battery Nov 06 16:54:53 i should've taken it out Nov 06 16:59:06 if only i could get packet injection to work on my slc-3200 Nov 06 16:59:18 i could transform it into a security tool Nov 06 16:59:51 what wireless card are you using? Nov 06 16:59:58 that's the issue hahah Nov 06 17:00:13 yeah, same here Nov 06 17:00:15 wl1100c-cf Nov 06 17:00:24 if mine breaks it'll be hard to replace it Nov 06 17:00:24 the chipset is the issue mind u Nov 06 17:01:04 I got lucky. I kept ending up with things supported by hostap Nov 06 17:02:26 what card are u using Nov 06 17:02:30 mine is a hostap thing Nov 06 17:03:07 lol Nov 06 17:03:26 wait, is yours ambicom? Nov 06 17:03:35 yeah Nov 06 17:03:39 prism II based IIRC Nov 06 17:03:43 yeah, same here Nov 06 17:03:46 ambicom wl1100c-cf Nov 06 17:03:52 but I cannot get it to inject Nov 06 17:03:53 I never did try injection, but monitoring works at least Nov 06 17:03:57 it crashes miserably Nov 06 17:04:01 yeah monitoring works fine Nov 06 17:04:05 hi Nov 06 17:04:12 hey Nov 06 17:04:24 must be pretty late there :) Nov 06 17:04:38 only 2AM Nov 06 17:04:41 or early :P Nov 06 17:04:50 8 hours difference Nov 06 17:05:03 I should actually sleep pretty soon Nov 06 17:05:13 im still not really making much progress towards angstrom except the live test Nov 06 17:05:15 lol Nov 06 17:05:23 yeah, if u work early its a must Nov 06 17:05:55 im coming to a stalemate regarding dual boot Nov 06 17:06:08 most of what i find is to flash the pda with angstrom Nov 06 17:06:18 i prefer to run it from a sd card Nov 06 17:06:32 so i can still use tomtom under win 6.1 (which i managed to get on) Nov 06 17:06:43 well all the pocketPC guides should work, right? they're all the same, right? Nov 06 17:06:50 in the end i found this link: Nov 06 17:06:57 http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:40RekV9r9VMJ:osdir.com/ml/handhelds.ipaq.hx4700.linux/2007-12/msg00023.html+hx4700+angstrom&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=es&client=firefox-a Nov 06 17:07:08 mm Nov 06 17:07:10 well Nov 06 17:07:14 i thought so Nov 06 17:07:32 but apparently other people are also having trouble getting angstrom on the card Nov 06 17:07:58 the "official" tutorial is an open windows killer hehe Nov 06 17:08:20 i just find it funny they dont even cover the fact :P Nov 06 17:08:42 i have a doubt anyway Nov 06 17:08:49 if i do manage to get linux on an sd Nov 06 17:09:00 then to get back to windows i have to hard reset unless im wrong Nov 06 17:09:08 that's correct I think Nov 06 17:09:09 but by doing that i delete all programs Nov 06 17:09:13 including tomtom Nov 06 17:09:58 i thought perhaps a workaround would be to cook my own windows rom Nov 06 17:10:22 simply using an fresh install of 6.1 and adding tomtom plus opera perhaps Nov 06 17:10:35 still have to figure out how to do that Nov 06 17:11:11 no idea here. I only have devices that originally had linux on them :) Nov 06 17:11:21 and you're right I should really get some sleep O_o Nov 06 17:11:26 hehe Nov 06 17:11:27 'night all Nov 06 17:11:30 night then :) Nov 06 17:11:43 good luck Psibolt and Lost1nspace :) Nov 06 17:11:45 * johnx sleeps Nov 06 17:12:08 thanks Nov 06 20:12:48 wow **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 07 02:59:57 2008