**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 16 02:59:56 2008 Nov 16 20:04:41 hello :) Nov 16 20:04:57 sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'd been trying to figure this out ... Nov 16 20:05:05 the opkg system that Angstrom uses ... Nov 16 20:05:11 How do I specify the version of the package to use? Nov 16 20:05:12 i.e. Nov 16 20:05:43 xserver-xorg - 1:1.5.1-r1.1 - the X.Org X server Nov 16 20:05:44 xserver-xorg - 1:1.4.2-r9.1 - the X.Org X server Nov 16 20:25:00 Anyone? :( Nov 16 20:25:49 sorry, I don't have a machine running angstrom in front of me Nov 16 20:46:56 I'm trying to get X11 working on my SL-C3100, but am having issues. Is there a package that provides the config files for it that I'm missing? (I've installed the 20081109 2008.1 test console image, and have installed the X server (xserver-kdrive-fbdev) on top of it) Nov 16 20:47:30 kdrive doesn't use config files afaict Nov 16 20:47:43 I can get the touchscreen working by passing "-mouse tslib" when running Xfbdev, but that doesn't work with "startx" and I have yet to find how to make the keyboard work Nov 16 20:47:48 OK.... Nov 16 20:48:02 You can edit startx to pass the arguments. Nov 16 20:48:09 OK Nov 16 20:48:18 Take a look at /etc/X11/Xserver? Nov 16 20:48:22 How about for the keyboard? I don't know what to pass for that Nov 16 20:48:49 Hmm. I don't know -- I use -keybd keyboard Nov 16 20:49:02 I'll try that Nov 16 20:50:23 It doesn't seem to work Nov 16 20:50:38 But it looks like I can pass the arguments in /etc/X11/Xserver like you said Nov 16 20:50:53 Yep. :) Nov 16 20:53:50 Hmm...When I add "-mouse tslib" to .../Xserver it doesn't work Nov 16 20:54:15 I added it to the "ARGS=..." line Nov 16 20:58:58 I've got the mouse working at least :) Nov 16 21:05:53 * wbrown peers at the SL-C3100. Nov 16 21:05:54 Nifty. Nov 16 21:06:12 And the keyboard, I guess Nov 16 21:06:21 Except when X dies, the Z just freezes Nov 16 21:06:33 The Pandora I've ordered will hopefully fulfill that role. Nov 16 21:06:37 So the keyboard works now? Nov 16 21:06:45 Yup :) Nov 16 21:06:52 awesome! Nov 16 21:06:54 I've ordered a Pandora as well Nov 16 21:07:06 Thanks for the help Nov 16 21:07:17 I've got a Beagle Board running Angstrom that I'm using to take a look at Amiga emulation. Nov 16 21:07:24 Cool Nov 16 21:07:42 My Xserver's broken now, though. :) Nov 16 21:07:48 Do you know anything about opkg? Nov 16 21:07:55 Not really Nov 16 21:08:07 Angstrom's using it instead of ipkg now, right? Nov 16 21:08:19 Yeah. Nov 16 21:08:25 I did an upgrade of everything ... Nov 16 21:08:40 opkg == ipkg for most purposes Nov 16 21:08:49 Except the latest X.org xserver doesn't have a corresponding framebuffer driver. Nov 16 21:08:57 Uh-oh Nov 16 21:09:18 So I've been trying to figure out how to specify the version of an opkg package so I can revert. Nov 16 21:09:19 bluelightning: I gather that, given that the 2008.x releases use it, but still download and install *.ipk files Nov 16 21:09:37 I can't help you there, really Nov 16 21:09:47 I think you can specify a package to not be updated Nov 16 21:09:55 yeah, except it's already updated :D Nov 16 21:09:56 lol Nov 16 21:10:02 So if you manually install the revision you desire, it should be OK Nov 16 21:11:03 Hey, your OE builds stuff for the beagleboard OK? Nov 16 21:11:21 My env gives sanity errors for a few things when trying to build Nano Nov 16 21:11:33 Capn_Fish: Yeah. Nov 16 21:12:05 Libform, libmenu, and libncurses fail sanity checks Nov 16 21:12:09 Any ideas? Nov 16 21:12:30 I'm using the Beagleboard config to have a toolchain ready for my Pandora :D Nov 16 21:13:50 Oh, and angstrom-distro-dev Nov 16 21:14:03 Or whatever the dev branch is Nov 16 21:24:58 Capn_Fish: What platform are you using? Nov 16 21:25:07 I built it straight on Ubuntu with no sanity issues. Nov 16 21:25:13 Debian Sid Nov 16 21:25:33 On x86 Nov 16 21:25:49 I tried OE on my G5 MacOS X box ... Nov 16 21:25:56 Unfortunately, that didn't take. :) Nov 16 21:26:17 Sanity issues? Nov 16 21:27:16 Kind of. OE really expects a Linuxy platform. Nov 16 21:27:24 I had sanity issues when I tried to build for my Zaurus as well... Nov 16 21:28:17 Oh ... Nov 16 21:28:23 What is /bin/sh linked to on your box? Nov 16 21:28:39 Uhh...Hang on a sec, I need to go start it up Nov 16 21:29:22 Probably whatever Debian uses by default, which is something odd like dsh, isn't it? Nov 16 21:30:36 Nope, it's bash Nov 16 21:30:40 Hmm. Nov 16 21:30:50 Yeah, I had an issue with that because it was linked to dash instead of bash. Nov 16 21:31:26 It looks like Dash isn't even installed Nov 16 21:33:00 Any other thoughts, or where I should be asking this? Nov 16 21:35:48 try a vanilal unbutu VM, see if the issues crop up there. Nov 16 21:39:04 If I'm going to do that, I might as well nuke and rebuild my box. All it is is a build box ATM :) Nov 16 21:39:44 Hmm. Nov 16 21:39:58 The OE cross compilation directions say to just add /OE/angstrom-dev/cross/armv7a/bin/ ... Nov 16 21:40:07 to your path. Nov 16 21:40:18 But all the binaries there are prefixed, i.e. ... Nov 16 21:40:32 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc Nov 16 21:40:34 I followed the Angstrom directions, so I'm using source MY_SOURCE_FILE Nov 16 21:40:39 hi Nov 16 21:40:55 That's to build the git stuff. Nov 16 21:40:58 The OE environment. Nov 16 21:41:15 But I'm not so sure about how to use the OE enviornemnt to build your own packages. Nov 16 21:41:31 bitbake PACKAGENAME Nov 16 21:41:42 Er ... Nov 16 21:41:55 I mean, downlod source code and compile it for things that do not have a bit bake package. ;) Nov 16 21:42:05 Ah Nov 16 21:42:14 I don't think I've tried to do that Nov 16 21:42:24 export CROSSDIR=/path/to/OE/angstrom-tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi export PATH=$CROSSDIR/bin:$PATH Nov 16 21:42:33 -- /configure --prefix=$CROSSDIR Nov 16 21:42:59 that seems to assume that the bin directory contains executables that are not prefixed. Nov 16 21:43:14 OK, that makes sense, but it's not what I'm trying to do ATM Nov 16 21:47:25 Ah-ha, foundi t. Nov 16 21:47:26 ./cross/armv7a/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ Nov 16 21:48:00 How is this solving sanity issues? Nov 16 21:48:06 Sorry. Nov 16 21:48:11 I think you lost me :O Nov 16 21:48:13 I'm actually off in my own land, solving my own issues. :) Nov 16 21:48:20 no problem :P Nov 16 21:48:37 I managed to do what you were doinga while back Nov 16 21:48:39 Anyway -- sanity issues, that's usually your machine/OS environment having a subtle influence. Nov 16 21:49:36 Probably the GCC version Debian's using or something similar? Nov 16 21:50:11 Natively building stuff on the beagle board is PAINFUL ... Nov 16 21:50:31 I suspect it's actually relatively nice Nov 16 21:50:41 Yeah, it is ... Nov 16 21:50:42 Compared to building something like Wireshark on the Zaurus Nov 16 21:50:57 Except when you have HUGE c files like the E-UAE sources have. Nov 16 21:51:04 And it gobbles up all the memory and then starts digging into swap. Nov 16 21:51:11 Libform, libmenu, and libncurses ... Nov 16 21:51:16 do you have these libraries? Nov 16 21:51:27 Yeah Nov 16 21:52:39 I think it's time to just install Ubuntu Nov 16 22:02:09 Wow, OE is giving me a headache. :) Nov 16 22:03:58 It does that Nov 16 22:14:07 ugh Nov 16 22:14:08 root@beagleboard:/home/wbrown/e-uae-0.8.29-WIP4# ls -l /bin/su Nov 16 22:14:08 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Nov 15 15:23 /bin/su -> busybox Nov 16 22:14:08 root@beagleboard:/home/wbrown/e-uae-0.8.29-WIP4# ls -l /bin/busybox Nov 16 22:14:08 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 576796 Nov 11 02:52 /bin/busybox Nov 16 22:14:17 whose bright idea was it to put 'su' in the busybox binary? Nov 16 22:14:25 I have no idea Nov 16 22:14:33 Busybox kind of annoys me Nov 16 22:14:42 I mean, if I give busybox su ... Nov 16 22:22:33 holy cow :) e-uae works Nov 16 22:22:38 now to copy over a disk image and roms ... Nov 16 22:36:27 * wbrown cackles Nov 16 22:39:31 what hardware? Nov 16 22:39:54 BeagleBoard Nov 16 22:40:18 ah Nov 16 22:42:46 hi santamarta Nov 16 22:43:30 Hola Nov 16 22:48:42 yeah ... Nov 16 22:48:56 I just tested the A500 with Workbench 1.3 and A1200 with workbench 3.0 :) Nov 16 22:49:04 ??? Nov 16 22:52:13 Obviously you've never had or used an amiga. :) Nov 16 22:53:45 the real question is whether or not it can run any decent games or demos Nov 16 22:54:15 yeah, I'm verifying that right now. Nov 16 23:33:31 hmmm Nov 16 23:33:48 according to SYSINFO, without any optimization, it's 88% of an Amiga 1200's CPU. Nov 17 00:01:12 heh Nov 17 00:01:38 amiga chatting here as well.. hohum :) Nov 17 00:02:59 uae on anything but x86 or very fast powerpc is tedious, without JIT Nov 17 00:11:28 kolla: it's almost fast enough to play AGA games as an A1200 without JIT Nov 17 00:16:50 wbrown: cool, almost :) Nov 17 00:17:27 kolla: yeah. almost! I'm sure there's things that can be hacked quickly, or maybe using fbdev instead, etc, that can get us the remaining 12%. Nov 17 00:17:44 would be cool Nov 17 00:18:06 though ... Nov 17 00:18:13 angstrom doesn't seem to have fbdev out of the box for SDL. Nov 17 00:18:31 ofcourse JIT support for powerpc and ARM would be the best Nov 17 00:19:21 I read the other day about uae on nintendo wii :) Nov 17 00:20:10 koila: Runs pretty quick on my G5 with SDL-OpenGL Nov 17 00:20:27 heh.. well.. G5, pretty high end :) Nov 17 00:20:34 kolla: The more efficient we can get it, the less battery life the ARM will drain. Nov 17 00:20:41 nothing like the powerpc in the wii Nov 17 00:30:01 Why, oh, why does Angstrom's SDL only do X11. :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 17 02:59:57 2008