**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 30 02:59:57 2008 Nov 30 06:39:43 Hey johnx, what model Zaurus do you have? Nov 30 10:55:54 is angstrom is still being developed for zaurus? Nov 30 11:16:21 hello Nov 30 11:16:39 anyone have ipaq h2200 with angstrom? Nov 30 11:17:19 do you think that I will can connect wifi card using compactflash? Nov 30 13:13:53 Darklust, c1000 Nov 30 13:14:25 lopLi, angstrom is still being developed, but not many people have shown interest in being "machine mentors" to clean up releases for the zaurus Nov 30 16:05:26 sorry i was away Nov 30 16:05:43 no prob Nov 30 16:05:56 hello john Nov 30 16:06:00 still ol Nov 30 16:06:41 it seems you're here 24h :) Nov 30 16:11:08 just here at odd hours of the day :) Nov 30 16:11:17 and in a different time zone than you :P Nov 30 16:11:31 I do keep my client logged in though to log Nov 30 16:12:39 :p thats it, here in my place is 11pm Nov 30 16:13:15 are u using z for irc client john? Nov 30 16:14:02 not right now Nov 30 16:14:10 I'm using it as an ARM build box Nov 30 16:14:55 ok Nov 30 16:16:37 what is command line irc app do u know ? Nov 30 16:16:44 irssi Nov 30 16:17:05 for what distro john? Nov 30 16:17:37 it should be out for most distros Nov 30 16:17:43 including angstrom Nov 30 16:17:59 ill try to learn to connect z to the internet using bt cf to my phone Nov 30 16:18:21 but it seems still complex for newbie like me :) Nov 30 16:23:45 can linux based system crash that can make serious damage to its filesystem? like ms based os? Nov 30 16:24:27 it is probably theoretically possible, but it's pretty rare Nov 30 16:24:47 usually the worst that happens is any open files are toast Nov 30 16:25:08 rare compared to ms based os you mean ? Nov 30 16:25:26 rare in general, i've never had anything too bad happen Nov 30 16:25:33 but i have heard of it happening Nov 30 16:25:59 it used to happen to me with power outages or faulty hardware Nov 30 16:27:30 fs error or only opened file got lost? because ms based that i familiar t use can easily altered by unsafe app Nov 30 16:28:33 for ram and hdd hw error will almost make the system truly down i guess Nov 30 16:28:59 when I had a bad harddrive, my filesystem ended up pretty bad a couple times Nov 30 16:28:59 how bout linux in this matter ? Nov 30 16:29:22 there's nothing linux can do about bad RAM or a bad harddrive Nov 30 16:29:26 well, if you hard drive goes bad, stuff is probably going to break...depends how bad it goes bad ;) Nov 30 16:30:02 hi Nov 30 16:30:08 i did once overwrite the first 10gigs of an 80gig drive by accident and most of the filesystem was still intact Nov 30 16:30:11 okay, it was say that unsafe program is not threating linux system as windows do ? is it so john? Nov 30 16:31:11 (be careful which direction you rebuild your software mirrors...) Nov 30 16:32:11 pardon...? Nov 30 16:32:20 lopLi, an unsafe program can cause as much damage as it has permission to Nov 30 16:33:14 but there aren't many really evil programs made to damage linux systems Nov 30 16:33:50 :) i guess so Nov 30 16:34:18 linux isn't magic :) Nov 30 16:35:08 right but not like commercial os. threated all the way :) Nov 30 16:36:11 john, have u ever rebuild your own kernel for the z? Nov 30 16:36:22 recompiled? yes, many, many time Nov 30 16:36:29 xD Nov 30 16:36:33 right now I'm using 2.6.26 that I compiled myself Nov 30 16:37:13 i thought it is soooo complex thing ? does it? Nov 30 16:38:02 it's somewhat complex Nov 30 16:38:22 easier than writing software, a little harder than recompiling a kernel for a desktop system Nov 30 16:38:29 so many you should understand i guess :) how far .... Nov 30 16:39:08 ok Nov 30 16:39:19 using gcc for arm? Nov 30 16:39:25 using OE Nov 30 16:39:38 OE? Nov 30 16:40:07 OpenEmbedded - http://openembedded.org Nov 30 16:40:27 it's the build system they use to compile angstrom Nov 30 16:40:27 what is the main purpose of recompiling john? Nov 30 16:41:00 usually to make a small change, or to compile a new version that isn't released yet Nov 30 16:41:54 to be more efficient? to get more supported hw ? to get more api? still dumb .... :) Nov 30 16:42:25 yes, all of those Nov 30 16:42:35 and to fix bugs :) Nov 30 16:43:23 clear for me then :). and is this oe is another distro for z ? or only somekind of sdk? Nov 30 16:43:26 I wanted to see if 2.6.26 handled CF wifi cards better, and I also wanted to compile some other modules Nov 30 16:43:40 you can think of it as an SDK Nov 30 16:44:01 running from desktop os? Nov 30 16:44:38 it's a cross compile build system. Angstrom is compiled using OE Nov 30 16:44:43 yes, OE runs on a desktop Nov 30 16:46:07 so i can use it to recompile some x86 app to arm based app? Nov 30 16:46:25 yes Nov 30 16:46:56 wow is this a complex thing too john? Nov 30 16:47:49 it's a little complex to make a new "recipe" to build a new app from source code Nov 30 16:53:36 sorry got dc again, where am i? Nov 30 16:55:24 I don't think you missed anything Nov 30 21:40:11 hey; anyone around? I'm just wondering whether it is possible for me to have angstrom running on my ipaq h3800... it appears that there is only a h3900 image available, but has anyone tested running angstrom on a h3800 so far? Nov 30 21:49:28 th0br0: you would need a 3800 image Nov 30 21:49:49 if that image doesn't exist, you can'r run (actually) angstrom on your device **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 01 02:59:58 2008