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Mar 07 07:37:43 <zauruswonder> im having a problem getting mplayer on my zaurus to use the win32 codecs
Mar 07 07:37:52 <zauruswonder> can anyone help?
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Mar 07 07:40:15 <Russ> zauruswonder: ...
Mar 07 07:40:24 <Russ> zauruswonder: doesn't the zaurus have an arm processor?
Mar 07 07:40:29 <zauruswonder> yes
Mar 07 07:40:32 <Russ> zauruswonder: think about this logically
Mar 07 07:41:11 <zauruswonder> what specifically logically?
Mar 07 07:41:17 <Russ> ok
Mar 07 07:41:22 <Russ> what is a win32 codec?
Mar 07 07:41:56 <zauruswonder> you can use the windows dll files with mplayer on linux, i do it all the time
Mar 07 07:42:06 <zauruswonder> just never with my zaurus
Mar 07 07:42:25 <Russ> ok, what kind of data do you think is contained in a windows dll
Mar 07 07:42:34 <zauruswonder> compiled
Mar 07 07:42:41 <zauruswonder> libraries
Mar 07 07:42:46 <Russ> compiled as?
Mar 07 07:43:10 <zauruswonder> have i upset you?
Mar 07 07:43:45 <Russ> no, I'm just surprised that the obvious hasn't occurred to you
Mar 07 07:44:34 <zauruswonder> what obvious, the arch?
Mar 07 07:44:59 <Russ> look, they are called win32 codecs for a reason
Mar 07 07:45:06 <Russ> they are compiled win32 dll's
Mar 07 07:45:30 <zauruswonder> have you used mplayer before?
Mar 07 07:45:36 <Russ> yes
Mar 07 07:45:51 <Russ> are you aware of the magic that occurs when you utilize a win32 codec?
Mar 07 07:46:05 <zauruswonder> in there docs they specify that you can use the win32 dlls with all mplayer binaries
Mar 07 07:46:32 <zauruswonder> i use the mplayer win32 dlls with ubuntu and puppy linux all the time 
Mar 07 07:46:43 <zauruswonder> its not a problem
Mar 07 07:47:09 <zauruswonder> but i need to know the location to put the dlls on the zaurus
Mar 07 07:47:13 <Russ> :(
Mar 07 07:47:35 <zauruswonder> why the sad face?
Mar 07 07:48:41 <Russ> because I need to have this conversation with you that will crush your hopes and dreams
Mar 07 07:48:54 <zauruswonder> what?
Mar 07 07:49:43 <Russ> the magic behind the win32 codecs that mplayer uses is that it actually emulates the dll interface
Mar 07 07:49:53 <Russ> it actually loads the dll and runs it
Mar 07 07:50:04 <zauruswonder> yes
Mar 07 07:50:15 <Russ> like a shared library
Mar 07 07:50:20 <zauruswonder> yes
Mar 07 07:50:43 <zauruswonder> ut i need to know the location to put the dlls on the zaurus
Mar 07 07:50:48 <Russ> mov %eax, %ebx type stuff
Mar 07 07:51:10 <Russ> your zaurus can't mov %eax, %ebx
Mar 07 07:51:16 <Russ> it can mov r0, r1
Mar 07 07:52:04 <Russ> the best you could do is some kind of insane qemu-x86 trickery
Mar 07 07:52:18 <Russ> but you wouldn't have the horsepower to emulate an x86 processor
Mar 07 07:52:59 <zauruswonder> so...compile the files for ARM?
Mar 07 07:53:07 <Russ> :( again
Mar 07 07:53:31 <zauruswonder> yay
Mar 07 07:53:45 <Russ> a win32 codec is a dll copied from some distribution made for windows, or even from some microsoft media player
Mar 07 07:53:56 <Russ> no source available, thats the point
Mar 07 07:54:02 <zauruswonder> damn
Mar 07 07:54:09 <Russ> what codec do you want to play?
Mar 07 07:54:14 <zauruswonder> mss2
Mar 07 07:54:28 <zauruswonder> its the wmv9 screen capture codec
Mar 07 07:54:48 <zauruswonder> there is a  certian training video series that uses it
Mar 07 07:54:59 <zauruswonder> and i have about 4 gigs of videos
Mar 07 07:55:10 <zauruswonder> i really dont want to convert them
Mar 07 07:55:16 <Russ> why not use mencoder under windows to translate them to a format that your zaurus will under....
Mar 07 07:55:22 <Russ> oh, you don't want to convert them
Mar 07 07:55:52 <zauruswonder> for 35 mins of video and audio at 800x600 the file is 6 megs
Mar 07 07:56:00 <zauruswonder> wow...i know
Mar 07 07:56:16 <Russ> but at least then you could convert them to the native zaurus screen res
Mar 07 07:56:40 <zauruswonder> thats not a problem, it would scale perfectly
Mar 07 07:56:54 <Russ> right, but isn't the screen 320x240
Mar 07 07:57:02 <Russ> or am I thinking of some older zaurus
Mar 07 07:58:06 <zauruswonder> mplayer -vo brdd
Mar 07 07:58:19 <zauruswonder> that scales the 800x600 to 320x240
Mar 07 07:59:06 <zauruswonder> the weird thing is that mplayer says it cannot find the codec
Mar 07 07:59:23 <zauruswonder> i would think it would give a diff error
Mar 07 07:59:38 <Russ> codecs and containers are two different things
Mar 07 07:59:56 <zauruswonder> ill try putting a bad file on linux in place of the dll, and see if i get a diff error
Mar 07 08:00:14 <Russ> mplayer probably understands the container just fine, so it knows what the rate is, what the size is, etc
Mar 07 08:03:16 <Russ> just set up a script to convert all the files and downscale em too.
Mar 07 08:07:11 <zauruswonder> the error message for a missing dll is the sam as a bad dll, bad coding on there part
Mar 07 08:10:19 <zauruswonder> thanks your help russ
Mar 07 08:11:13 <zauruswonder> do these dll files exist for pocketpc?
Mar 07 08:11:23 <zauruswonder> arm processor there?
Mar 07 08:12:14 <Russ> not that I'm aware of
Mar 07 08:12:39 <Russ> they'd be CE anyway, so it would be a whole new set of code to get them working under mplayer
Mar 07 08:13:44 <zauruswonder> wmsdmod.dll is what i need to work on the zaurus
Mar 07 13:25:02 <gelisp> How long will haRET take to load kernel?
Mar 07 13:25:54 <gelisp> I just got 'Loading kernel...' on the screen, and it seems no error in the haretlog.txt