**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 11 02:59:56 2009
Oct 11 08:39:15 <otto_> Is there a DISTRO target to use with oe, that would work currently on collie? With 2.4 kernel or anything that'd be functional...
Oct 11 08:49:52 <XorA|gone> no
Oct 11 08:50:17 <XorA|gone> work is ongoing to make 2.6 images functional
Oct 11 08:50:34 <otto_> I'm absolutely looking forward to that :)
Oct 11 08:50:37 <XorA|gone> it should be possible with a little work to get a 2.4 image working again
Oct 11 08:50:44 <XorA|gone> but no-one has looked at it for years
Oct 11 08:51:05 <otto_> I understand that quite well... 2.4 is a little lacky in many ways
Oct 11 08:51:33 <otto_> But too bad my eBay bargain is useless at the moment
Oct 11 15:10:54 <mimecar> hi
Oct 11 15:11:11 <mimecar> how can I install images from online builder ?
Oct 11 15:12:33 <bluelightning> hi mimecar ... depends on the device
Oct 11 15:12:43 <mimecar> hi bluelightning
Oct 11 15:12:47 <mimecar> I've a Zaurus C1000
Oct 11 15:13:28 <bluelightning> the normal install instructions for that machine should be used, with one minor change
Oct 11 15:13:28 <mimecar> file created by online builder is not the same I used to install the system
Oct 11 15:14:20 <bluelightning> I think you should be able to flash a kexecboot-enabled kernel once (should hopefully be supplied by the imagebuilder) and then you don't need to reflash the kernel each time after that
Oct 11 15:15:14 <mimecar> 1 sec bluelightning
Oct 11 15:20:37 <mimecar> bluelightning: image builded has the root directory inside
Oct 11 15:21:04 <mimecar> my kernel is an old version (2007 more or less)
Oct 11 15:21:33 <bluelightning> hmm :(
Oct 11 15:21:41 <bluelightning> this area needs some work
Oct 11 15:21:57 <mimecar> I use angstrom 2007 build with minor updates
Oct 11 15:23:25 <mimecar> bluelightning: root file system but not kernel file...
Oct 11 15:23:29 <bluelightning> I'm afraid I don't know the answer... logically there should be a kexecboot-enabled kernel to go along with that
Oct 11 15:24:16 <mimecar> don't worry
Oct 11 15:24:36 <mimecar> I think I'll be able to build my own kernel for flashing
Oct 11 15:24:37 <bluelightning> mimecar: there are some kexecboot kernels here FYI: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/kexecboot/
Oct 11 15:24:45 <bluelightning> they aren't brand new but they should work
Oct 11 15:24:50 <mimecar> omg
Oct 11 15:25:07 <mimecar> there's not a link on the main page, isn't it ?
Oct 11 15:25:13 <bluelightning> no, there isn't
Oct 11 15:25:25 <bluelightning> the problem is narcissus is supposed to be experimental
Oct 11 15:25:29 <bluelightning> but it hasn't been completed
Oct 11 15:25:36 <bluelightning> "patches welcome"... sigh :(
Oct 11 15:26:16 <mimecar> is not a easy task
Oct 11 15:29:45 <bluelightning> it would be nice if someone could take charge and sort out the whole situation... 
Oct 11 15:29:49 <bluelightning> i.e. get the autobuilder to a state where it's usable by mere mortals and improve the install instructions
Oct 11 15:29:56 <bluelightning> it's written in PHP
Oct 11 15:30:23 <bluelightning> I've done some work on it but I haven't really got time to work on it myself
Oct 11 15:30:28 <bluelightning> not at the moment anyway
Oct 11 15:30:33 <mimecar> are you the online builder maintener ?
Oct 11 15:30:42 <bluelightning> no, that's Koen
Oct 11 15:30:46 <mimecar> ok
Oct 11 15:30:48 <bluelightning> he hasn't time to work on it either it seems
Oct 11 15:32:27 <mimecar> I must test installation process
Oct 11 15:32:42 <mimecar> my device use on update script, kernel and root system file
Oct 11 15:34:00 <mimecar> thanks for yout help bluelightning ;)
Oct 11 15:34:09 <bluelightning> yes, you'll need to use your existing files, just overwrite the kernel and root file
Oct 11 15:34:18 <bluelightning> no problem :)
Oct 11 15:34:41 <mimecar> I know there 're new program versions
Oct 11 15:35:00 <mimecar> but I have problems with wifi on gpe, 
Oct 11 15:35:29 <mimecar> (not related with angstrom i think)
Oct 11 15:36:42 <mimecar> and there's not update posible
Oct 11 15:37:29 <mimecar> rebooting
Oct 11 15:40:17 <mimecar> re
Oct 11 17:18:55 <BitWraith> does angstrom on the spitz device have the ability to scale the screen for things like playing doom at lower resolution?
Oct 11 17:21:36 <bluelightning> BitWraith: I don't think that works, no
Oct 11 17:21:53 <bluelightning> I could be wrong
Oct 11 17:30:53 <XorA|gone> BitWraith: yes
Oct 11 17:31:11 <XorA|gone> BitWraith: fbset -x 240 -y 320 -n
Oct 11 17:31:27 <XorA|gone> I think thats the right command from memory
Oct 11 17:31:36 <XorA|gone> works only in fbdev of curse
Oct 11 17:31:39 <XorA|gone> course
Oct 11 17:33:24 <bluelightning> hmm, well I haven't seen low-res mode in action on my spitz since I replaced the stock ROM
Oct 11 17:33:48 <bluelightning> maybe I've just never run the appropriate application
Oct 11 17:34:03 <XorA|gone> it should work, I used to own a spitz and Im an Angstrom core dev
Oct 11 17:34:31 <XorA|gone> you can even alter the X startup scripts to always boot into 240x320
Oct 11 17:39:43 <bluelightning> XorA|gone: I do know who you are :)
Oct 11 17:39:56 <bluelightning> I wonder what will happen if I try this while Opie is still running
Oct 11 17:40:59 <bluelightning> XorA|gone: hmm, seems that exact command will not work with busybox's fbset
Oct 11 17:44:28 <bluelightning> BitWraith / XorA|gone  : it's actually: fbset -xres 240 -yres 320 -n
Oct 11 17:46:36 <XorA|gone> bluelightning: -xres -yres sorry
Oct 11 17:46:42 * XorA|gone hasnt done it for a while
Oct 11 17:47:29 <bluelightning> FWIW it does change when Opie is running but QtE clearly knows nothing about the new resolution and the display is mangled, which is rather what you would expect I guess
Oct 11 17:48:15 <XorA|gone> yeah
Oct 11 17:51:15 <bluelightning> I wonder how one would go about telling QtE to resize itself... an exercise for a rainy day perhaps
Oct 11 17:51:43 <XorA|gone> I think there used to be an applet for that
Oct 11 17:53:46 <bluelightning> really? if so I was not aware of it...
Oct 11 18:00:12 <BitWraith> bluelightning, the sharp distro used an ancient version of opie IIRC, and it could scale. you might be able to run its scaling tool via older ABI compatability
Oct 11 18:00:49 <BitWraith> then again I will defer to any of the actual devs who disagree here, since I've never tried it
Oct 11 18:01:46 <bluelightning> I wasn't aware that it was an applet in the sharp distro, I only knew that it responded to function keys to switch resolution, but perhaps that functionality was provided by an applet
Oct 11 18:02:08 <bluelightning> unfortunately running older apps is a bit tricky due to gcc version changes
Oct 11 18:08:18 <BitWraith> I forgot about that. :-/
Oct 11 18:19:16 <bluelightning> it's fine to run older apps as long as we have the source... if they are closed source then it's a problem
Oct 11 18:21:31 <mimecar> mix gcc versions is a little problem..
Oct 11 18:22:01 <XorA|gone> bluelightning: I think the app might have come with the cacko rom now I think about it
Oct 11 18:22:30 <bluelightning> mimecar: well, it's the C++ ABI change (2.95->3.x, probably others as well) that's the issue
Oct 11 18:22:40 <bluelightning> XorA|gone: ok, I'll check it out
Oct 11 18:23:59 <mimecar> bluelightning: does the problem exist with static compilation ?
Oct 11 18:24:03 <XorA|gone> its been over a year since I sold spitz
Oct 11 18:24:26 <bluelightning> XorA|gone: yes, I vaguely recall that
Oct 11 18:24:43 <bluelightning> mimecar: well, it shouldn't, no
Oct 11 18:24:53 <bluelightning> you can also work around it using compat libs
Oct 11 18:25:33 <mimecar> ok
Oct 11 18:36:19 <BitWraith> if I built my image with narcissus and checked the "all kernel modules" box, do I also have staging drivers?
Oct 11 18:36:39 <BitWraith> I need a staging driver for my network adapter, so I have problems if not. lol
Oct 11 18:37:03 <bluelightning> BitWraith: probably depends on the kernel that's being used for the machine you're building for
Oct 11 18:37:42 <bluelightning> (a) it may not be new enough, (b) the kernel defconfig may not enable that specific driver
Oct 11 18:38:55 <BitWraith> is the kernel config shipped with the image?
Oct 11 18:40:14 <BitWraith> nevermind, I'll just sift through the /lib/modules and see if it is in there somewhere
Oct 11 18:40:38 <BitWraith> I tried modprobe at76_usb which failed... so it's probably not there
Oct 11 18:54:07 <BitWraith> aside from vi, are there any text editors included with angstrom? I see nano has been omitted...
Oct 11 19:05:25 <bluelightning> BitWraith: nano can be had if you install it I think
Oct 11 19:05:55 <bluelightning> BitWraith: the kernel config may not be shipped, if not you'd have to dig into OpenEmbedded to find it
Oct 11 19:06:08 <bluelightning> which machine are you building for, maybe I can check it out for you
Oct 11 19:07:14 <BitWraith> spitz
Oct 11 19:07:29 <BitWraith> (unstable)
Oct 11 19:09:32 <bluelightning> oh of course, sorry... how soon we forget
Oct 11 19:10:06 <bluelightning> just to check, what does "uname -a" show in your running environment on the device?
Oct 11 19:10:13 <bluelightning> I think should be 2.6.26
Oct 11 19:28:50 <bluelightning> BitWraith: ^^
Oct 11 19:29:21 <bluelightning> I'm guessing if it's using 2.6.26 it's probably too old to include that driver, but I'm happy to check if you'd just confirm the kernel version in use on your machine
Oct 11 19:29:22 <BitWraith> it does
Oct 11 19:29:47 <BitWraith> it said 2.6.26 when I checked it an hour or two ago
Oct 11 19:29:56 <bluelightning> oh right ok
Oct 11 19:32:24 <bluelightning> BitWraith: ok, according to my searches I don't think it does include that driver unfortunately
Oct 11 19:32:57 <BitWraith> alright... thanks for looking into it
Oct 11 19:33:17 <BitWraith> I have the asix driver, so at least I have *some* means of getting on the web, even if it's wired
Oct 11 19:33:45 <BitWraith> I used to have my computer set up for usbnet but the kernel options for NAT have moved so many times I don't think I'll ever do that again. lol
Oct 11 19:36:12 <bluelightning> well, I have a premade script for that if it helps
Oct 11 19:36:23 <bluelightning> but sadly I think usbnet is broken with 2.6.26 on the spitz
Oct 11 19:36:27 <bluelightning> at least it doesn't work for me
Oct 11 19:36:55 <bluelightning> the good news is some recent work has gone into making a much newer kernel work on spitz and other zauruses
Oct 11 19:37:00 <bluelightning> not sure what the status of that is atm
Oct 11 20:15:58 <thesing> bluelightning: are you available for some opie questions?
Oct 11 20:16:03 <mimecar> re
Oct 11 20:16:09 <bluelightning> thesing: sure, fire away...
Oct 11 20:16:56 <thesing> can i change the default handler for file types? I want video files opened with a script starting mplayer with the right options.
Oct 11 20:18:04 <bluelightning> do you mean in the documents tab, or in file manager?
Oct 11 20:18:26 <thesing> documents tab first, but in the end both.
Oct 11 20:23:12 <thesing> bluelightning_: connection problems?
Oct 11 20:23:28 <bluelightning_> thesing: yes, my router crashed (for the second time today)
Oct 11 20:23:31 <bluelightning_> grr
Oct 11 20:25:48 <thesing> bluelightning: already found out if it's possible?
Oct 11 20:26:00 <bluelightning> thesing: still checking
Oct 11 20:26:39 <thesing> I thought the answer was lost in your connection crash.
Oct 11 20:28:30 <bluelightning> thesing: ok, it has something to do with the MimeType setting on the .desktop file for each application
Oct 11 20:28:45 <bluelightning> that specifies the mime types that the app can accept (semicolon-delimited if more than one)
Oct 11 20:29:13 <thesing> so I can create a desktop entry for the script and specify the mimetypes there.
Oct 11 20:31:07 <bluelightning> thesing: yes, and it should be using /etc/mime.types for the list of mime type to extension matches
Oct 11 20:31:31 <bluelightning> it's smarter than I thought :)
Oct 11 20:31:52 <thesing> is the opie-image in .dev working for spitz atm?
Oct 11 20:32:20 <bluelightning> it should, but my OE tree is not up-to-date atm
Oct 11 20:32:33 <bluelightning> also I still have not sorted out building opie from git
Oct 11 20:55:21 <mimecar> bluelightning: do a backup before updating...
Oct 11 20:55:43 <bluelightning> mimecar: I'm not going to update just yet :)
Oct 11 20:55:57 <bluelightning> but thanks for the warning'
Oct 11 20:56:08 <bluelightning> "always expect breakage" is the OE motto
Oct 11 20:56:12 <bluelightning> at least in .dev
Oct 11 20:56:30 <mimecar> bluelightning: and rebuild the system from scratch....
Oct 11 23:48:39 <BitWraith> where are the x server's resolutions configured?
Oct 11 23:51:38 <BitWraith> I tried calling fbset.real with the proper resolution, and it does activate the hardware doubler... but because I have gone over X's head, X doesn't understand that it needs to change its output format when the fb changes
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