**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010 Apr 05 05:03:33 hi all, i cannot find /etc/event.d/ folder in the angstrom distribution(2008), can any one suggest where or what is its replacement? Apr 05 05:39:58 i guess i need upstart event based replacement for init daemon . is it available for angstrom distribution?? Apr 05 09:28:07 hgs: Upstart is avalable but not very well tested or configured (or many scripts for that matter) on OpenEmbedded or Angstrom. Apr 05 09:42:35 DJWillis: thanks Apr 05 09:43:39 hgs: Improving it was on my TODO :) Apr 05 09:56:39 * XorA locks DJWillis in a room until he completes his todo Apr 05 09:56:54 DJWillis: it looks like we might get our toys this year :-) Apr 05 09:57:23 XorA: the toys have lost there shine ;-). Apr 05 09:57:49 * XorA wishes it was an omap4 console now :-) Apr 05 09:59:56 XorA: got round to messing about the O2 Joggler a litttle (Atom based tablet thing running Linux 2.6) for a project a friend wants help with. I'll try and get that into OE when I get a chance. Apr 05 10:00:28 I heard rumours O2 had reduced it to 50 quid Apr 05 10:00:43 XorA: yep Apr 05 10:00:56 but having seen the omap4 demo it kicks atom butt Apr 05 10:01:08 * XorA might have to wander over to O2 shop at lunchy Apr 05 10:01:31 XorA: very much so but at £50 it tingles my 'hack me, hack me' needs ;-) Apr 05 10:03:05 got ANgstrom on it yet? Apr 05 10:03:58 XorA: OE console image of sorts with a few hacks, well Angstrom console ;-) Apr 05 10:04:09 hehe Apr 05 10:07:07 DJWillis: so whats the devices real name? Apr 05 10:08:01 XorA: OpenPeak OpenFrame http://www.openpeak.com/OpenFrame.php Apr 05 10:08:22 so does that have a GMA gfx? Apr 05 10:11:39 XorA: It's Poulsbo based so Intel 'SGX' vairent. Apr 05 10:11:59 that defineately awakes my please hack me switch :-) Apr 05 11:48:48 heh o2 has saved me 50 quid :) Apr 05 11:53:56 How? Apr 05 11:55:02 XorA: lol Apr 05 11:57:39 by closing the ocean terminal store :-) Apr 05 12:05:51 You were going to buy a new phone or something? Apr 05 12:06:40 Joggler :-D Apr 05 12:08:05 Oh, I saw that. Wasn't quite sure what the point was (partly due to relying on O2 network services for calendar and stuff) Apr 05 12:08:18 Just buy an iPad :) Apr 05 12:09:19 * XorA is going to wait for an omap4 tablet Apr 05 14:03:18 Anyone got any experience getting Angstrom successfully booted on an iPAQ? Apr 05 14:04:22 I'm getting kernel messages, but no serial console. Apr 05 14:05:24 MWelchUK: which iPaq Apr 05 14:05:28 h5550 Apr 05 14:05:41 Tried both dev and stable/2009 builds Apr 05 14:05:48 hmm ok, I have a h2200 but maybe I can help Apr 05 14:06:00 are you using stable or unstable? Apr 05 14:06:08 and where did you get the image? Apr 05 14:06:26 The userspace seems to be running - at least, the screen backlight just turned off, which suggests to me that the daemon is running. Apr 05 14:06:35 Home built Apr 05 14:07:17 Tried console-image, x11-image and x11-gpe-image Apr 05 14:07:21 ok what git branch? Apr 05 14:07:42 Both stable/2009 and org.openembedded.dev Apr 05 14:08:19 hmm ok, just for kicks do you want to try the imagebuilder linked in the topic? Apr 05 14:08:27 ok. Apr 05 14:08:38 to see if it could possibly be your build environment Apr 05 14:09:02 * Jonimus is just guessing at shit here but its worth a shot Apr 05 14:10:27 * MWelchUK is used to building OE for PPC targets, not so sure about arm. Apr 05 14:13:04 ahh, well then you most likely know more about OE than I do :P Apr 05 14:14:48 Agh! It builds a tgz Apr 05 14:21:54 I thought you could change that but It's not hard to throw that into a loopback filesystem Apr 05 14:22:42 Yeah - need to switch to advanced options. Apr 05 14:45:07 MWelchUK: what stage does it get to? what's the last message? Apr 05 14:46:48 bluelightning, It's getting well into the userspace boot process, I'm just reflashing via serial, so I can't see the last message. Apr 05 14:47:07 bluelightning, at a guess the userspace is actually running. Apr 05 14:47:22 MWelchUK: did you replace the bootloader already? or are you using HaRET to boot? Apr 05 14:47:36 If I plug in the usb connector from the dock I get a message about the USB ethernet. Apr 05 14:47:42 ah ok Apr 05 14:48:00 I just don't seem to be getting a serial console... Apr 05 14:48:36 The backlight on the screen also turns off, which suggests that the daemon which does that is running. Apr 05 14:49:03 if you built from org.openembedded.dev I would suggest modifying conf/distro/include/angstrom-2008-preferred-versions.inc to pin udev to 124 Apr 05 14:49:29 Bug? Apr 05 14:49:35 well, incompatibility Apr 05 14:49:44 With the kernel? Apr 05 14:49:56 I think the kernel being used for that device (2.6.21-hh) is not compatible with udev > 141 Apr 05 14:50:03 124 should be a safe bet Apr 05 14:50:16 Yup - that would probably explain what I'm seeing... Apr 05 14:51:26 I have an h5550 myself but unfortunately it's not here with me now so I can't try it myself Apr 05 14:51:58 hmm, it appears to work on my h2200 with a newer udev, but the h2200 is most likely enough different hardware wise that I wouldn't notice it Apr 05 14:51:59 Yeah - even stable/2009 seems to be at 151 Apr 05 14:52:16 really? last I checked that was using 124... Apr 05 14:52:28 I do have access to other iPAQs though (h2200, h4100, h1910, hx4700) Apr 05 14:52:48 oh and h3970, I forgot one Apr 05 14:53:11 nice bluelightning, I know they are looking for PDA dev's you already have all the hardware :P Apr 05 14:53:11 Ah, I'm using dev, could have sworn I had swapped. Apr 05 14:53:46 Jonimus: well, I'm a developer, just not a kernel developer sadly Apr 05 14:53:52 that's what we need most right now Apr 05 14:54:22 (normally I work on Opie) Apr 05 14:54:32 bluelightning, I'm more of a kernel developer than userspace, however I don't know much at all about arm... Apr 05 14:55:10 and I'm not experienced enough when faced with no hardware specs. Apr 05 14:55:19 MWelchUK: well, it has some quirks, but I would imagine if you're familiar with kernel development and are happy debugging via serial then you'd have no trouble Apr 05 14:55:35 ahh ok, btw do you know why the iPaqs are still using such an old kernel, have the drivers not been mainlined? Apr 05 14:55:48 actually the interesting thing is a lot of the things that need fixing are basically about bringing stuff back from the dead from old kernels (2.4.x) Apr 05 14:56:16 Jonimus: some work has been done on that recently, but for a long time everything was done in a separate tree which had diverged quite a lot from mainline Apr 05 14:56:33 bluelightning, It's the lack of full hardware specs and energy when I get in from work that stuffs me :-( Apr 05 14:56:39 ahh that makes sense. Apr 05 14:56:59 MWelchUK: for the latter I definitely know what you mean Apr 05 14:57:27 * Jonimus would love to get into Kernel dev but barely knows a bit of python and Java atm. Apr 05 14:57:28 I find it hard to be motivated to work on stuff except at weekends and then I don't have much time Apr 05 14:58:39 Yeah - I've got a nas4220 that I really want to get into OE. It's time and energy... Apr 05 14:59:47 I was hoping to implement shared of-site backup with it, partitioning the drive in half and syncing each way with a second device. Apr 05 15:11:15 hi Apr 05 15:11:21 i just uploaded a custom image from narcissus but after uncompressing linux the device seems to turn off Apr 05 15:11:38 is console=ttySA correct for serial console? Apr 05 15:12:37 nusse_, which device? Apr 05 15:12:42 and your "device" would be? Apr 05 15:13:43 uh sorry. Apr 05 15:13:47 h5450 Apr 05 15:14:24 nusse_, I think it may need to be ttyS0. Apr 05 15:14:36 is the uncompressing linux message from the kernel or from the bootloader? Apr 05 15:15:50 Think it might be the kernel actually, or at least a wrapper provided by the kernel. Apr 05 15:18:27 setting console to ttyS0 doesnt change anything Apr 05 15:19:15 nusse_, Are you seeing that message on a serial console or screen? Apr 05 15:20:58 ttyS00,115200 works Apr 05 15:21:06 MWelchUK: serial Apr 05 15:21:29 MWelchUK: i think i remember that the display controller does not work with the bootloader Apr 05 15:22:10 MWelchUK, your right, though the boot messages can show up on the screen during boot. Apr 05 15:22:52 well they dont Apr 05 15:23:45 nusse_, I just tried an image from narcissus on my h5550 and didn't have much success either. I got the kernel boot messages, but none from userspace. Apr 05 15:24:58 Did you use the simple configuration? Apr 05 15:27:29 http://pastebin.com/rMdZdECT Apr 05 15:27:37 MWelchUK: yes Apr 05 15:27:57 which root-device should i use? two flash things are found Apr 05 15:29:58 nusse_, I think that "simple" is building using the unstable branch, I think that the version of udev on unstable is too new for the kernel. Apr 05 15:33:02 MWelchUK: you can temporarilly pin it back to 141 per machine Apr 05 15:33:35 root=mtd1 seems to work Apr 05 15:33:57 MWelchUK: a thanks Apr 05 15:34:16 XorA, Just pinned it to 124. Apr 05 16:03:19 bluelightning, Cheers, Booted to serial console with older udev :-) Apr 05 16:03:34 MWelchUK: awesome :) Apr 05 16:03:57 * MWelchUK probably would have never realised he needed to do that! Apr 05 16:04:08 yes, it's not obvious I agree Apr 05 16:04:38 hopefully a new kernel will arrive for some of these iPAQs and it won't be an issue Apr 05 16:05:53 I wonder if angstrom-2008-preferred-providers.inc can be over-ridden with a line in the machine conf. Apr 05 16:06:40 MWelchUK: I believe it can, if not you can most likely do it with a custom image Apr 05 16:39:30 MWelchUK: how did you build that image? Apr 05 16:39:49 From scratch. Apr 05 16:40:06 locally using OE Apr 05 16:42:20 nusse_, http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_started Apr 05 16:42:48 MACHINE = "h5000" Apr 05 16:44:23 I have been building the console-image, though need x11-image or x11-gpe-image for the GUI. Apr 05 16:46:06 nusse_, Will need to pin udev to an older version to get it to work: http://pastebin.com/T9gEjNGn Apr 05 16:51:54 bleh, that sucks Apr 05 16:53:40 Which bit? Apr 05 16:54:28 how long does it take to build the image? Apr 05 16:55:09 linux 2.6.21 seems a bit old Apr 05 16:55:11 As I have recently discovered, that depends wildly on what power PC you are using... Apr 05 16:55:33 It is rather, but I don't think support has been mainlined. Apr 05 16:55:52 yeah sure, but more like an hour or less? Apr 05 16:56:29 For my netbook it's more like under 2days :-s Apr 05 16:56:36 wtf Apr 05 16:56:52 On my PC at work, I can do a full build in about 4 hours I guess. Apr 05 16:57:00 why ever i need libsdl for building that Apr 05 16:57:15 It's building everything, including the cross-compilation environment. Apr 05 16:57:15 isnt openwrt also using the openembedded buildroot-stuff? Apr 05 16:57:26 Not sure. Apr 05 16:58:11 I'm sure they used to use buildroot Apr 05 16:58:19 it uses some of it iirc. Apr 05 16:58:37 but not all, OE can build openwrt packages but I don't think its what they use Apr 05 16:59:48 It doesn't look like it from their documentation. Apr 05 16:59:49 building openwrt is easy, little depencies Apr 05 17:00:00 yeah but that wont help me either Apr 05 17:01:27 MWelchUK: can you provide your image? Apr 05 17:01:40 is there a problem with opkg install x11-stuff later on? Apr 05 17:01:59 nusse_, OE is far more flexible and has the ability to build far more packages on many more architectures than openwrt. The longer build times is a side effect of that. Apr 05 17:02:31 better: a there public archives of packages i can use with the self build images? Apr 05 17:02:51 nusse_: of course there are the official repo's Apr 05 17:03:13 see the feeds on the angstrom site Apr 05 17:04:05 I havn't played much with x11 builds. The devices I have mainly worked with to date don't have graphics adapters. Apr 05 17:05:10 heh, I run a customised x11-gpe-image Apr 05 17:05:34 so can i have your image? actually i want to play right now not some time in the future;) Apr 05 17:06:31 heh I have a h2200 sorry, I can build one for the h5500 later if you want, though no garentees on it working Apr 05 17:06:51 Is there an easy way to create a local repository? I was under the impression that the ipkg output directories didn't form a valid repository (though that might have changed since I last thought about it) Apr 05 17:06:55 MWelchUK built one Apr 05 17:07:13 MWelchUK: i am not quite sure but it should be the same as for debian Apr 05 17:07:21 nusse_, I don't mind - just not sure where to stick it... Apr 05 17:08:00 http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository Apr 05 17:08:10 MWelchUK: drop.io would be an option Apr 05 17:08:42 nusse_, that's for debian, not OE. Apr 05 17:09:38 MWelchUK: ipk's are basically debs.. Apr 05 17:09:45 so it would be the same Apr 05 17:15:05 Jonimus, OK. It's a shame that the build process doesn't automatically create one when it saves the ipkgs Apr 05 17:15:39 nusse_, just uploading Apr 05 17:15:58 MWelchUK: heh it already takes a few GB I don't need it taking up more with a local repo :P Apr 05 17:16:34 But it already saves a local copy of the ipkgs Apr 05 17:17:25 true Apr 05 17:21:00 nusse_, http://drop.io/i7uj5av Apr 05 17:57:42 MWelchUK: thank you very much Apr 05 17:59:46 nusse_, np Apr 05 18:29:29 its booting Apr 05 18:29:34 the splashscreen is quite nice Apr 05 18:39:00 how do i mount the sd-card? Apr 05 18:39:08 which module do i need to load before? Apr 05 18:42:02 no module loading should be needed, just pop it in and open up a file manager Apr 05 18:46:08 no filemanager Apr 05 18:46:12 i see nothing in dmesg Apr 05 18:46:30 also no /dev/sd* Apr 05 18:46:46 nusse_: have you checked if it is automoutned in /media/ ? Apr 05 18:47:27 nazgee: no its not Apr 05 18:48:44 asking if you are positive if it is correctly formatted seems silly, but ... is it? Apr 05 18:49:38 no idea, i would just like to have a device Apr 05 18:49:42 maybe i want to format it Apr 05 18:50:25 it would be nice to know if it works ;] but that's strange it's not in /dev/ Apr 05 18:53:33 thats why i was asking which module to load Apr 05 19:12:44 usbnet wont work also, seems to be the same as 5 years ago **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010