**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 02:59:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:10:14 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:24:17 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:37:22 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 05:54:14 2010 Jul 29 10:24:02 q: will ångström run on a ARM926EJ-S rev 5 (v5l)? Jul 29 10:24:56 should do Jul 29 10:25:21 thats the same arch as the samsung 2413 series? Jul 29 10:25:54 im not sure, cant seem to hit the google spot on it so to say Jul 29 10:26:23 conf/machine/include/tune-arm926ejs.inc Jul 29 10:26:29 we have config files for it Jul 29 10:26:47 oo did not see that one Jul 29 10:27:43 what CPU btw? Jul 29 10:27:47 out of interest Jul 29 10:28:48 ? Jul 29 10:29:10 ARM926EJ-S is an architecture, which CPU you using that implements that Jul 29 10:29:54 oo hmm Jul 29 10:30:34 Proxyles: maybe if you know the device/board make/model number... Jul 29 10:31:49 whoa, 3 people talking at once, careful guys Jul 29 10:31:54 hehe Jul 29 10:32:00 yea, cant tell U =/ Jul 29 10:32:14 I am still waking up ;) Jul 29 10:32:35 ah, skunkworks projects :-) Jul 29 10:32:45 Going to try to put angstrom in a recently-acquired SL5500 *dramatic music* Jul 29 10:33:01 raubvogel: hehe I have one of them, need to resurect Angstrom support Jul 29 10:33:22 Does that require a voodoo cerimony? Jul 29 10:33:38 it might, support has bitrotted a lot Jul 29 10:33:54 or at least live sacrafice of ant_work Jul 29 10:33:59 XorA: people says the latest kernel in .dev are broken Jul 29 10:34:11 iirc you and thesingtested those Jul 29 10:34:26 2.6.31 worked on tosa and collie last I tested Jul 29 10:34:34 I have serial cable so I can look sometime Jul 29 10:34:35 right Jul 29 10:34:46 imho 2.6.34 should boot too Jul 29 10:35:01 XorA: serial cable for that Zaurus? Nice! Jul 29 10:35:05 I have some images on ltg Jul 29 10:35:36 and btw tosa and collie should be immune of udev nastyness Jul 29 10:37:22 latest uploads here Jul 29 10:37:24 http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/?group_id=55 Jul 29 10:37:57 if gitserver blesses me, I'll update to 2.6.34 final Jul 29 10:38:11 we have still some pending commits Jul 29 10:38:25 (new kexecboot face) Jul 29 10:38:28 :) Jul 29 10:40:10 now if Jay7 would fix the missing submenu-icons... Jul 29 10:40:20 :p Jul 29 10:51:03 That is ok; right now I am still trying to learn how to touch the machine just right (the c-d-reset salute) for it to load the data out of the CF Jul 29 11:24:47 Do you have to press all 3 buttons at the same time or it is ok to hit c and d and then the reset button? Jul 29 11:51:42 he..too easy Jul 29 11:51:48 3 together Jul 29 12:20:09 I need to keep on trying them; riding a motorcycle is much easier Jul 29 12:31:25 raubvogel: press and hold C+D while holding them hit reset Jul 29 12:31:38 raubvogel: they dont all have to be pressed simultaneous Jul 29 12:31:48 then hold C+D until the LED lights Jul 29 12:33:03 XorA: they need to be pressed simult. at boot :p Jul 29 12:33:15 just for one instant, though Jul 29 12:33:25 ant_work: no they dont Jul 29 12:33:33 XorA> raubvogel: press and hold C+D while holding them hit reset Jul 29 12:33:37 while Jul 29 12:33:45 Thanks Jul 29 12:33:49 Let me try again Jul 29 12:34:06 btw I never managed a collie so listen to XorA Jul 29 12:35:25 bascially on reset it checks for the C+D keys being held down Jul 29 12:36:32 Well, I pressed C+D and then hit the reset button. The two leds on the front did not light up Jul 29 12:37:17 It is connected to its power adaptor and switch on the back is in replace battery Jul 29 12:40:01 is card fat formatted? Jul 29 12:40:12 the CF, yes Jul 29 12:40:19 fat16 Jul 29 12:46:12 how big is CF? Jul 29 12:46:18 32MB Jul 29 12:46:26 Too small? Jul 29 12:46:33 no, perfect Jul 29 12:49:20 perhaps battery was too low Jul 29 12:49:26 retry now Jul 29 12:49:41 Ok. It should still be connected to the charger, right? Jul 29 12:50:24 yes Jul 29 12:51:47 As soon as I release the buttons, both lights light for a moment and then go off Jul 29 12:52:58 then is another prob Jul 29 12:53:15 http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/Install Jul 29 12:53:38 did yourename the file zImage ? Jul 29 12:53:52 Yep. I even checked it just now Jul 29 12:54:12 see..the problem may be that the compact flash card is partitioned. Jul 29 12:54:16 sound strange Jul 29 12:54:23 worth a try Jul 29 12:54:52 I made one single partition, fat16, but it was in a Mac. Should I try a Windows box? Jul 29 12:55:06 hm Jul 29 12:55:41 read that wiki Jul 29 12:56:18 extreme hope is mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sda Jul 29 12:56:23 he says Jul 29 12:57:16 let me reboot this machine due to an unrelated issue. BRB Jul 29 14:12:43 A bit of an update: I had to first set the label to msdos (was gpt) before running mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdc and then copying the two files (initrd.bin zImage) to the drive. Jul 29 14:13:42 It is still just blinking the lights for a moment. I will try again in a few Jul 29 14:15:23 Also, previous owner had cacko on it and it runs fine (I have to put his SD card back or it will back about missing files and diretories Jul 29 14:16:09 cacko required SD card Jul 29 14:16:14 he.. bootloder is still gpt unaware Jul 29 14:16:44 I've now a good knowledge about OSX hybrid/mbr guid Jul 29 14:17:13 I used parted to relabel it from gpt to msdos Jul 29 14:18:03 XorA: so angstrom will fit in the sl-5500 without needing an sd card? Jul 29 14:18:15 no way Jul 29 14:18:28 youll need to let ant_work persuade you to use kexecboot Jul 29 14:18:56 Do I need to format the sd card right now or that is a later step? Jul 29 14:19:24 for sharing disks btw OSX and Linux please consider gdisk Jul 29 14:19:33 can do miracles Jul 29 14:20:42 raubvogel: just flash the zImage for collie in the link I posted above Jul 29 14:20:52 should be the last tim you need to flash Jul 29 14:21:18 http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/?group_id=55 Jul 29 14:30:11 then you can d/l your image from Narcissus Jul 29 14:30:21 well, your rootfs Jul 29 14:32:07 if you're around this evening you'll be the first one booting new kexecboot UI on qvga Jul 29 14:32:20 :) Jul 29 14:32:26 I should be here until 6 :O Jul 29 14:33:08 *dramatic music* Jul 29 14:33:44 np, I'll upload in that site Jul 29 14:34:06 but I have to go home, eat, commit it before :) Jul 29 14:34:24 so at least some hours Jul 29 14:36:31 FYI, the zaurus came with a 128MB CF with his initrd.bin and zImage. So, just for fun, I put it in the machine, shoved my unused 1GB SD card, and pressed C+D+reset. After I released the reset button and then C+D, the two leds came on and stayed that way. In fact as I type they are still on. Jul 29 14:36:51 I guess we are down to user (me!) error or CF funkyness Jul 29 14:37:05 It just came off Jul 29 14:37:52 iirc you should press reset now Jul 29 14:42:09 It booted but did not write anything to the sd; it feels like it did nothing Jul 29 14:43:08 you flashed in nand, not on SD Jul 29 14:43:36 pls rename the two files on the sd and copy there zImage from the link I gave you Jul 29 14:44:03 this one is old but tested Jul 29 14:44:04 http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/download.php/262/installkit-collie.tar.gz Jul 29 15:03:54 Do you think the 32MB CF is a bum? Jul 29 15:06:50 no, but if it was gpt... Jul 29 15:07:15 Interstingly enough, I just looked into it and there were no files Jul 29 15:07:30 well, you fdisk it... Jul 29 15:08:21 try to create a normal partition now, not on the whole disk Jul 29 15:08:38 if mbr is correct the colliewill find it Jul 29 15:10:13 otherwise could be bad card Jul 29 15:10:26 good that sd seems working Jul 29 15:12:30 raubvogel: if all goes well you'll have a pretty bootmenu Jul 29 15:22:05 hello, channel. i'm researching the feasibility of putting angstrom on my zaurus 5500 (collie). the angstrom pages say that angstrom is broken on the collie, but i was wondering just how broken it is Jul 29 15:22:25 or if anyone could direct me to something that i can get working on it Jul 29 15:26:26 he today is collie's day Jul 29 15:26:35 mullein: flash http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/download.php/262/installkit-collie.tar.gz Jul 29 15:26:48 then d/l a rootfs from http://tinyurl.com/dfcer3 Jul 29 15:27:08 instruction for flashing: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Collie/Install Jul 29 15:29:14 thank you, this is the clearest non-conflicting info i've seen Jul 29 15:29:52 now i have to figure out where to get a cf card! Jul 29 15:30:01 P.S. don't flash initrd.bin, just zImage Jul 29 15:30:07 CF or SD Jul 29 15:30:31 the flashing page says "You will need a CompactFlash card (not an SD card as can be used to flash other Zauri; CF cards are the largish square ones that fit in the top slot of the Zaurus)" Jul 29 15:30:43 and read today's logs Jul 29 15:30:51 !logs Jul 29 15:30:52 Channel logs for #angstrom are archived at: Jul 29 15:30:53 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23angstrom Jul 29 15:30:54 Live-logs are available at Jul 29 15:30:57 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23angstrom.livelog Jul 29 15:30:58 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Jul 29 15:31:04 ok, will do Jul 29 15:31:23 mullein: raubvogel had issues with CF but not with SD Jul 29 15:31:29 soimagine Jul 29 15:31:44 great Jul 29 15:32:07 i've been wanting to get my zaurus working for a while, ever since i bought a replacement battery this spring Jul 29 15:32:23 once you have installed kexecbot, pls come in #kexecboot Jul 29 15:32:33 certainly Jul 29 15:45:10 sorry that this isn't obvious to me, but do i flash the rootfs along with the zImage kernel? Jul 29 15:45:39 the install page seems to indicate that i do them at the same time Jul 29 16:01:25 no need for now Jul 29 16:16:45 ant_work: just to let you know, I put the zImage off http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/download.php/262/installkit-collie.tar.gz in the SD card and am finally able to boot. Both lights are on, so I guess it is doing something. Jul 29 16:18:18 finished? Jul 29 16:18:48 Yeah but it is still booting off cacko Jul 29 16:19:25 then was not flashed Jul 29 16:20:08 you should see http://www.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nXR6sU8d6xo/SYdxR0yXEnI/AAAAAAAAAJo/yHH6bvua-G4/kexecboot_collie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dbh1rBCtyjtkGfFzZflqUg&usg=__fRHgBMDoXxf1auc6fduc6Yc7yR8=&h=600&w=800&sz=209&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=7XXc9ZNoyeFqGM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcollie%2Bkexecboot%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26s Jul 29 16:20:11 a%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D834%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=233&ei=G6pRTKmbB6aiOLO90dAE&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0 Jul 29 16:20:15 omg..sorry Jul 29 16:20:41 http://alturl.com/zej54 Jul 29 16:21:07 Unfortunately that I did not see Jul 29 16:21:13 I wonder why it refused to flash Jul 29 16:22:16 no idea, seems the wrong zImage Jul 29 16:22:44 if you boot cacko you're using cacko kernel Jul 29 16:24:17 Would that matter for the flashing process? Jul 29 16:24:40 I mean you probably flashed a wrong zImage Jul 29 16:24:46 the old one Jul 29 16:24:56 or none Jul 29 16:25:22 The one I used was http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/download.php/262/installkit-collie.tar.gz. Should I try a newer one? Jul 29 16:25:46 no, this one is ok Jul 29 16:26:03 apls reformat the card to be sure there are any other zImage Jul 29 16:26:26 or e2fsck it Jul 29 16:26:37 uh.. is fat... Jul 29 16:26:41 is the full reset button the one just above "RAT" in the words "NORMAL OPERATION -- Jul 29 16:26:48 "? Jul 29 16:27:19 mullein: that's the bastard Jul 29 16:27:42 how am i supposed to press down C and D on the kbd and push that? Jul 29 16:28:02 I was asking that this morning too Jul 29 16:28:13 What you do is hold C and D first Jul 29 16:28:25 Once you are ok with them you add the reset button Jul 29 16:28:32 do you know if it matters if i fat-finger them? Jul 29 16:28:45 it's almost impossible for me to press C and D without pressing extraneous keys Jul 29 16:29:11 How about one finger from each hand? Like using the nails Jul 29 16:29:58 the engineer must have had a bad day when he projected such procedure Jul 29 16:30:05 I was pressing them by holding my fingers as if they were a tweezer so the nails would press the keys Jul 29 16:30:28 ant_work, or his sense of humor is like the guys who did Despicable Me Jul 29 16:30:42 heh Jul 29 16:31:21 for clamshells is a bit easier...just a bit Jul 29 16:31:30 same engineer probably Jul 29 16:31:53 ok...either my battery isn't fully charged or the battery i bought doesn't hold sufficient charge Jul 29 16:32:22 the power light immediately turns off when i perform the procedure Jul 29 16:32:45 guys, I found some decent update instructions Jul 29 16:32:47 http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/CollieInstall2010 Jul 29 16:32:48 i used the back of a fork to press the 2 keys and the stylus to press reset Jul 29 16:33:26 FYI, i checked my battery and its open circuit voltage is 4.17V Jul 29 16:35:21 ant_work: step 6 did not happen to me. I had to press the power button for it to boot Jul 29 16:35:47 does it boot kexecboot finally? Jul 29 16:36:04 Not yet. But I have not erased the SD yet Jul 29 16:36:07 hang on Jul 29 16:36:50 I guess I should format it using mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdX ? Jul 29 16:38:08 no,try the normal way before Jul 29 16:38:20 fdisk and create one partition Jul 29 16:38:45 Ok Jul 29 16:38:50 I personally haven't heard of that issue before Jul 29 16:41:27 i will be so very happy monday if i can walk into my new job with my zaurus running a modern os Jul 29 16:42:39 ok guys, I'll be back in some hours Jul 29 16:42:53 try to flash that damned kexecboot-kernel Jul 29 16:42:59 Have fun! Jul 29 16:43:09 this evening I'll update with the new layout Jul 29 16:43:17 hopefully you'll like it Jul 29 16:43:27 (btw is untested on small screens) Jul 29 16:43:48 so keep the card around once working ;) Jul 29 16:43:50 bbl Jul 29 16:48:50 bbl, might as well let this charge to 100% before trying again Jul 29 17:09:37 Update: I reformatted the 23M CF card in the XP laptop and copied kexecboot to it. This time it seems to have worked Jul 29 17:26:04 raubvogel: did you try flashing the zaurus from SD card at any point? Jul 29 17:26:29 do you think i need a CF card for flashing the kernel? Jul 29 17:29:44 oh, i was able to get into diagnostic menu with D+P+reset Jul 29 17:44:23 mullein: I can also try the SD Jul 29 17:45:06 i'd appreciate it if you can determine whether collie can flash from sd card Jul 29 17:45:56 as i said i could get into diagnostic menu; the lights turned off when i chose "update cf" or whatever it was Jul 29 17:46:21 then i redid the D+P+reset and it now has a blank screen with both lights on, for past 15 minutes Jul 29 18:00:18 I am having a bad case of fat fingers right now Jul 29 18:01:57 well i'm heading out again, i have a strong suspicion that i need a cf card to flash the kernel Jul 29 18:02:38 since i'm certain i got c+d+reset right and it still has no lights showing when i do that, have to do full reset by itself to get battery light to return Jul 29 18:04:23 At this point in time I am not sure of anything Jul 29 18:04:27 witchcraft! Jul 29 18:15:31 Can anyone help me on QT ?? Jul 29 18:25:06 how do I create the Packages, Packages.gz and the files necessary to make mu /stuff/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk a repository exported through http ? Jul 29 19:22:18 hey guys Jul 29 19:57:20 Lunch finished. Now let's see if my fingers will cooperate Jul 29 20:04:55 re Jul 29 20:10:39 mullein: I think you are right about needing the CF Jul 29 20:12:00 I have been trying to make the leds come up with just the sd and nothing. As soon as I tried the cf, they both lit. Jul 29 20:12:27 It could, of course, be I have the sd formatted wrong as I have been doing with the 32M cf Jul 29 20:50:00 can I use Angstrom as a base for a netbook type linux desktop environment? I'm trying to make something like ubuntu netbook only not so fat... I have a angstrom-gpe image running on a dev board but no gnome etc... wondering how difficult the modification will be Jul 29 20:50:39 thank you, raubvogel, for checking the sd card Jul 29 20:50:58 i was getting zero lights when i tried the sd as well. guess i'll have to buy a cf card. Jul 29 20:59:16 I can't really help, not having tested personally Jul 29 20:59:39 it seems old SD up to 1GB are accepted Jul 29 21:00:03 remember there are very old mmc drivers in the maintenance-kernel used to flash Jul 29 21:00:37 yeah, zaurus hardware only support SD cards up to 1gb...though you can use larger cards once you have a 2.6 kernel installed Jul 29 21:00:47 so recent SDHC will surely not work (but do work from production kernel) Jul 29 21:01:32 fwiw I flashed thousand times my C860 from SD and CF Jul 29 21:01:43 but is a bit different machine Jul 29 21:02:20 it would be interesting to know if flash from SD is listed in the Diagnostic Menu (D+P +reset) Jul 29 21:08:04 ant_: how do you find out? I am in the diagnostic menu right now Jul 29 21:08:25 see the options to restore th ekernel Jul 29 21:09:32 ah..interesting... Jul 29 21:09:49 my C860 has in Service 1/3: Jul 29 21:09:50 ... Jul 29 21:09:55 10 CF Update Jul 29 21:10:31 no mention of SD update Jul 29 21:10:50 Same on this one Jul 29 21:10:51 but on this models we usually flash using updater.sh Jul 29 21:11:06 so it could be that only CF is accepted Jul 29 21:11:12 let me check one thing Jul 29 21:13:41 k Jul 29 21:16:06 well, mtd1: 00020000 00020000 "CF Updater" Jul 29 21:16:41 ant_, do you want me to take picts of the diagnostic screens while I am here? Jul 29 21:16:54 yes, pls Jul 29 21:19:21 well, see http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22074 Jul 29 21:19:34 you need console to debug :) Jul 29 21:30:55 That sucks; I do not have a serial cable. Jul 29 21:31:07 I wonder if one of those usb ones would do Jul 29 21:40:14 no Jul 29 21:40:42 you need CE-170TS Jul 29 21:40:56 works on all Zaurus Jul 29 21:43:56 Oh Jul 29 21:44:06 All i have is a CE-ST7 cradle Jul 29 21:45:19 ant_, where should I send the picts to? Jul 29 21:45:26 mom Jul 29 21:46:24 pls add a link here Jul 29 21:46:26 http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusCollie Jul 29 21:46:43 or add attachments Jul 29 21:49:03 Will do the attachments thingie then. They are 7MP each though Jul 29 21:49:18 or just check it differs from Jul 29 21:51:42 he http://downloads.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/service-menus/ Jul 29 21:51:46 link is dead Jul 29 21:53:44 here Jul 29 21:53:44 http://www.thesounddesign.com/zaurus/beta3.htm Jul 29 21:55:38 I put them as attachments on http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusCollie. Did not resize them at all. Jul 29 21:56:52 Now I think maybe they were way too big Jul 29 21:58:13 looks very similar Jul 29 22:00:19 Bottom line right now is that we have to use CF, right? Jul 29 22:13:49 I am running away. Will try to get in from home **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:57 2010