**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 31 02:59:57 2010 Jul 31 05:15:40 has anyone tried the nokia n900? Jul 31 14:49:58 Dhekke: yes i do Jul 31 17:09:35 hmmm, i have a working xfce46 image on my akita now Jul 31 17:09:56 seems even the keyboard layout is (mostly) good, just missing the @ sign .. Jul 31 17:10:19 but the mouse doesnt seem to have a rightclick (fn+tap), where does this normally come from? Jul 31 18:29:55 Seppoz_work, how did you bring up the graphical interface on the mini2440? Jul 31 18:30:36 well depends which one u want Jul 31 18:30:42 i actually suggest u using qt Jul 31 18:30:57 there is a´lso a qtopia one from ~WWII Jul 31 18:31:44 At this point I'm accepting pretty much anyone Jul 31 18:32:31 define graphical interface Jul 31 18:32:35 I bitbaked the x11-image, and during boot it would display the linux penguin and then the Angstrom loading screen Jul 31 18:33:26 yes Jul 31 18:33:29 but after login the mini screen remained black and said the $DISPLAY variable wasn't set Jul 31 18:33:31 what are u expecting Jul 31 18:33:44 i mea what u expect it to show? Jul 31 18:34:40 do you expect something like gnome? Jul 31 18:34:49 I'm trying make it show any graphical interface... GPE, Gnome, Xfce... Jul 31 18:34:55 yep Jul 31 18:35:02 there is no point in doing that Jul 31 18:35:13 because the mini2440 is years to slow for it Jul 31 18:35:14 why? Jul 31 18:35:29 it dont even have any gpu, fpu or dsp built in Jul 31 18:35:33 its just plain Jul 31 18:35:48 all it has is its ~390 mhz Jul 31 18:35:56 The plan is to develop an application using the SDL lib Jul 31 18:36:25 we figured since it managed Qtopia, it could handle it Jul 31 18:36:26 um, is that decition done yet? using sdl? Jul 31 18:36:38 not written in stone Jul 31 18:36:50 you should consider using qt Jul 31 18:36:59 im not sure if sdl can handle framebuffer devices Jul 31 18:37:16 i think it *should* Jul 31 18:37:19 but um not sure Jul 31 18:37:34 yeah, I figured we'd end up forgeting about SDL... Jul 31 18:38:06 i am not experianced using is so maybe u have to speak to someone who is Jul 31 18:38:11 i can just suggest using qt Jul 31 18:38:29 u using the 7" or 3.5? Jul 31 18:38:37 3.5" Jul 31 18:38:47 yea so you should be fne using qt Jul 31 18:39:33 the app is basically a clock, so it sn't all that graphics heavy Jul 31 18:39:46 yea that its even more fine using qt Jul 31 18:39:52 and when I got into the project it was already halfway through, using SDL Jul 31 18:40:05 qt is only a proplem if you have any graphics output because its fb is really darn slow Jul 31 18:40:11 according to its slow memory Jul 31 18:41:17 also compiled uboot with display support if you need Jul 31 18:42:00 I just finished baking the x11-gpe-image Jul 31 18:42:40 ok Jul 31 18:42:54 should I use the u-boot image there? Jul 31 18:42:54 its pretty easy to get qt on it Jul 31 18:43:03 if you have a working one u dont need to Jul 31 18:43:14 just if you want to display a splash right from the bootloader Jul 31 18:43:33 i didnt tested the 3.5" tho just the 7" is verifyed so far Jul 31 18:45:45 the gpe image brings up GPE or should I install something else in it before? Jul 31 18:46:05 well i always use tslib with qt on the 2440 Jul 31 18:46:10 works out well Jul 31 18:46:15 never triend with gpe Jul 31 18:46:31 im not even sure if the qws supports gpe Jul 31 18:47:48 i'm absolutely open for sugestions Jul 31 18:48:02 what do I bake, then? Jul 31 18:48:27 umm, just take the one u baked and install qt and tslib? Jul 31 18:48:57 through opkg? Jul 31 18:49:21 u should have a cross toolchain by now Jul 31 18:49:24 just compile it Jul 31 18:49:34 ok Jul 31 18:52:20 if you are too lazy u can just use the bins Jul 31 18:52:27 on my site Jul 31 18:52:40 just wget them and tar -C / them Jul 31 18:52:51 what's your site? Jul 31 18:53:04 the one i gave ye earlyer Jul 31 18:54:03 Sorry, I don't see anything Jul 31 18:54:28 umm ok Jul 31 18:54:31 ok Jul 31 18:54:35 sorry about that Jul 31 18:54:45 no worries Jul 31 18:54:47 I just woke up Jul 31 18:54:55 hehe Jul 31 18:58:03 it also suck that the mini I got has the screen completely white Jul 31 18:58:44 so even if I manage to bring display anything, I'll have a hard time seeing it Jul 31 18:59:26 well Jul 31 18:59:30 its the cable that suck Jul 31 18:59:37 did you try to unplug it Jul 31 18:59:40 and plug it in again Jul 31 18:59:54 the other board is working just fine, but it's in my boss' house Jul 31 19:00:16 we tried it but no luck... Jul 31 19:00:45 lemme try again Jul 31 19:00:53 umm does it boot at all? Jul 31 19:01:03 did you plug in the rs232ß Jul 31 19:01:09 we had same proplem aswell Jul 31 19:01:10 yeah... Jul 31 19:01:12 with one board Jul 31 19:01:17 we had to send it back Jul 31 19:01:21 who is wendor? Jul 31 19:01:24 *vendor Jul 31 19:01:27 andahammer? Jul 31 19:01:33 I have the angstrom terminal righ in front of me Jul 31 19:01:43 my boss got them straight from china Jul 31 19:01:46 well Jul 31 19:01:55 did you set the right flags in the bootloader? Jul 31 19:01:57 in uboot Jul 31 19:02:05 for your display Jul 31 19:02:26 this is bootcmd Jul 31 19:02:27 bootcmd mmcinit \; ext2load mmc 0:2 0x31000000 uImage \; bootm 0x31000000 Jul 31 19:02:34 sec Jul 31 19:02:35 and this is bootargs Jul 31 19:02:48 bootargs console=ttySAC0,115200 mini2440=0tb \ rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rw rootwait Jul 31 19:02:49 setenv bootargs 'root=/dev/mtdblock3 rootfstype=jffs2 console=ttySAC0,115200 mini2440=1tb mtdparts=mini2440-nand:256k@0(u-boot),128k(env),5m(kernel),-(root)rw' Jul 31 19:02:52 yes Jul 31 19:02:56 otb is fine Jul 31 19:03:03 0tb Jul 31 19:03:19 0tb is 240x320, right? Jul 31 19:03:57 well it actually sets the timing for the 3.5 inch and setup the fb right Jul 31 19:04:02 so yes it should be fine Jul 31 19:06:06 maybe you have gotten the old NEC 3,5 Jul 31 19:06:21 not quite sure if the nec has the same timing as the T35 Jul 31 19:08:55 maybe Jul 31 19:09:35 the screen board says t35, though Jul 31 19:10:16 I just re-reconnected the screen and it got a little better, but still white as snow Jul 31 19:11:09 which Image do I get from your site? ANG_tslib_angstrom_ALL_bot7kernel.tar.gz Jul 31 19:13:44 well u should have that allready Jul 31 19:14:08 so all you want is the ANG_qt4.6.2_angstrom_dot7kernel_FULL_optimized.tar.gz for the host and ANG_qt4.6.2_angstrom_dot7kernel_optimized.tar.gz for device Jul 31 19:14:24 its not hard to qompile it yourself tho Jul 31 19:14:47 i just dont know what version you get though OE, i think its 4.5.3 Jul 31 19:15:37 u might need the tslib aswell, i had sum issues using the tslib that comes with ang (missing the linear modul) Jul 31 19:16:22 this? Jul 31 19:16:22 ANG_tslib_angstrom_ALL_bot7kernel.tar.gz Jul 31 19:16:54 yes Jul 31 19:17:06 put thatinto the lib folder Jul 31 19:17:28 ok Jul 31 19:20:04 so I put the ANG_qt4.6.2_angstrom_dot7kernel_optimized.tar.gz in the mini rootfs and the ANG_qt4.6.2_angstrom_dot7kernel_FULL_optimized.tar.gz in my machine? Jul 31 19:21:30 yes both untar using -C / they will get into usr/qt Jul 31 19:21:38 errr Jul 31 19:21:44 yes Jul 31 19:21:47 and they use Jul 31 19:22:02 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi Jul 31 19:22:07 compiler Jul 31 19:22:17 so make sure u set the PATH right Jul 31 19:22:20 on the host Jul 31 19:22:30 ok Jul 31 19:23:32 that will install Qt on the mini? Jul 31 19:23:38 yes Jul 31 19:24:05 and on the host to develope and cross compile Jul 31 19:28:45 I have an even dumber question Jul 31 19:29:21 yes? dumper than the qestion if they have computers in brazil? xD Jul 31 19:29:35 hahaha Jul 31 19:29:47 wel, sir, we do have lots of them Jul 31 19:29:57 yes like that: right Jul 31 19:30:10 even Computer Science college classes Jul 31 19:30:12 http://comunidad.uem.es/blogfiles/shakespeare/microsoft-tech-support-1235.jpg Jul 31 19:30:36 pretty much, yeah Jul 31 19:30:40 nah.... cmon Jul 31 19:30:57 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vkAWCPcTkcQ/R08Gy5En1DI/AAAAAAAAAhw/pOZOlAO3XmI/s320/brazil-computer.jpg Jul 31 19:31:05 thats what i got when i googled computers in brazil Jul 31 19:31:06 lol Jul 31 19:31:11 for your information, I'm using a notebook with wireless cnetworking... that's how hi-tech I am Jul 31 19:31:20 hehe im just kidding Jul 31 19:31:35 hehe no problem Jul 31 19:31:47 my pet monkey got a bit offended Jul 31 19:31:49 http://img142.imageshack.us/i/computador1mc.jpg/ Jul 31 19:31:52 also i found this Jul 31 19:31:52 xD Jul 31 19:32:22 so whats the qestion? Jul 31 19:33:30 well, at least I live at smelling distance from the beach, you landlocked austrian (that is a guess) Jul 31 19:33:38 :D Jul 31 19:34:11 well we have nice lakes thatfor and we dont like at the jungle xD Jul 31 19:34:18 hehe j/lk Jul 31 19:34:38 wen should stop this be4 they kick us Jul 31 19:34:39 :) Jul 31 19:34:44 yeah... Jul 31 19:34:51 nice while it lasted, though Jul 31 19:35:01 so... Qt is just a framework, right? Jul 31 19:35:26 yes Jul 31 19:35:43 but pretty powerfull one Jul 31 19:37:19 ok, so if I create my first Qt hello world now, and cross compile it and run in my white-screened mini with no desktop environment, will it work? Jul 31 19:37:43 (i mean, beside the fact that I won't be able to see it anyway) Jul 31 19:38:07 yes Jul 31 19:38:16 would work Jul 31 19:38:23 assuming you have the same version tho Jul 31 19:38:34 but i dodnt think the OE for the 2440 changed Jul 31 19:39:00 just put qt on the device and copy the demos on it Jul 31 19:39:10 from the file extraced on the host Jul 31 19:39:18 /usr/qt/demos Jul 31 19:39:46 so even thouhg i got no GPE, Gnome, xfce, whatever the hell, and no $DISPLAY variable set, I will see a Qt window showing "hello world"? Jul 31 19:40:15 that's absolutely good news, mr austrain Jul 31 19:40:49 yes Jul 31 19:40:54 yes mr jungle man Jul 31 19:41:19 it this works I'll send you a bottle of salt water and a picture of the sun Jul 31 19:41:32 oh, and a bucket of sand Jul 31 19:41:50 ok! im looking forward to get that, than i can tell my collegs that i have a new friend who is using wlan in the jungle Jul 31 19:41:56 then weill find that amazing Jul 31 19:42:13 if you get a fan and put some pictures of pretty butts, you could feel like you're in brazil Jul 31 19:43:18 yes, maybe i find some theater that could make me feel like ;P Jul 31 19:43:27 lol Jul 31 19:43:44 do you have a house or just some wood stacked up? ;P Jul 31 19:43:55 pffff... you know nothing Jul 31 19:43:59 I live in the tenth floor Jul 31 19:44:19 so... you ride mountan goats to work or just use your skis? Jul 31 19:44:52 well i actually prefere the skis Jul 31 19:44:57 u know they are faster Jul 31 19:45:08 i have to cross 5 montains to get to work u know Jul 31 19:45:15 takes 2 weeks to get there Jul 31 19:45:18 and 2 weeks ack Jul 31 19:45:20 *back Jul 31 19:47:00 do you have streets in brazil or do you have to cross the jungle to get to the next jungle market? Jul 31 19:47:11 did you meet the girl from thomb raider be4? Jul 31 19:47:21 maybe you have crossed her ways in the jungle who knows Jul 31 19:48:55 Dhekke: whats funny with qt is that you just have to take the libs and classes u need Jul 31 19:49:12 Dhekke: so you can actually make it like ~2-3 mbs with gui just if your bored Jul 31 19:55:03 it's not fair... my country has a well stabilshed stereotype... your country is most famous for some very resentful art students Jul 31 19:56:08 im j/k Jul 31 19:56:17 i know Jul 31 19:56:19 relax Jul 31 19:56:27 :) Jul 31 19:56:48 sorry for the delay... I was killing an anaconda with my bare hands Jul 31 19:57:14 it was trying to eat my pet monkey Jul 31 19:57:18 ahh ok! i was wondering if you might have to get on the bike to get some more currency Jul 31 19:57:34 or are your 10 kids doing that? Jul 31 19:57:56 do you still have slaves in bazil? Jul 31 19:57:58 we have the coolest tandem bikes for that Jul 31 19:58:10 ahh yes :) that make sense Jul 31 19:58:31 built with scrap metal from tourist's cars Jul 31 19:58:42 lol Jul 31 20:00:12 it's welcome to the jungle, whitey Jul 31 20:00:34 indeed Jul 31 20:47:34 guess nobody here uses akita anymore ;) Jul 31 21:08:51 is there something like just xdm for angstrom? Jul 31 21:09:05 i'm looking for a simple lightweight login manager Jul 31 21:17:14 well, just going without for now Jul 31 21:24:05 Help http://www.4security.com.br/2010/07/26/artigo-apache-com-mysql-e-monitoramento-com-bijk-no-debian-lenny/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 01 02:59:57 2010