**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 04 02:59:57 2010
Aug 04 05:31:02 <jackman> I notice there isn't a whole lot of documentation about angstrom on the hawkboard at the angstrom site. Is there a better place to go?
Aug 04 09:05:12 <Seppoz_work> id like to bitbake angstrom 2010.4 using OE, whats the best way to do this?
Aug 04 09:10:30 <tsjsieb> following this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Aug 04 10:01:26 <Seppoz_work> well
Aug 04 10:01:33 <Seppoz_work> using this always ends up un 2008.1
Aug 04 10:01:41 <Seppoz_work> can i just change the distro to 2010.4?
Aug 04 10:01:46 <Seppoz_work> in the oebb
Aug 04 10:01:49 <Seppoz_work> .sh
Aug 04 13:39:02 <Seppoz_work> i tried setting the DISTRO in the oebb to DISTRO=angstrom-2010.4
Aug 04 13:39:31 <Seppoz_work> but its giving me erros at bitbaking that, accroding to google, is cased by wrong distro settings
Aug 04 13:39:43 <Seppoz_work> the qestion is can i even use it like that?
Aug 04 13:39:56 <Seppoz_work> or is the distro set according to the board im using?
Aug 04 13:41:19 <Seppoz_work> whats the common way to pick which version of angstrom to use?
Aug 04 13:41:55 <tsjsieb> Seppoz_work: then you will be using the stable branch of the OE repository, try switching to the development branch
Aug 04 13:42:11 <Seppoz_work> how would i do that please?
Aug 04 13:42:41 <Seppoz_work> im using the setps described on the website
Aug 04 13:43:19 <Seppoz_work> isnt the script switching brance for me?
Aug 04 13:43:46 <Seppoz_work> cd ${OE_SOURCE_DIR}/bitbake && git checkout -b 1.10 origin/1.10
Aug 04 13:43:59 <Seppoz_work> git checkout -b org.openembedded.dev origin/org.openembedded.dev || true
Aug 04 13:44:16 <tsjsieb> check what branch you're on first...
Aug 04 13:44:47 <tsjsieb> (git branch)
Aug 04 13:45:02 <Seppoz_work> * org.openembedded.dev
Aug 04 13:46:25 <Seppoz_work> hugo@winxp:/OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_2010_4$ git branch -a
Aug 04 13:46:25 <Seppoz_work> * master
Aug 04 13:46:30 <Seppoz_work> is that what im looking ofr?
Aug 04 13:46:32 <Seppoz_work> *for
Aug 04 13:49:31 <Seppoz_work> any hint u could give me would be helpfull
Aug 04 13:53:43 <tsjsieb> sorry I'm not using the angstrom setup scripts, so I don't know what these do with the distro version
Aug 04 13:53:48 <Seppoz_work> remotes/origin/shr/unstable
Aug 04 13:53:54 <Seppoz_work> is tat what i want?
Aug 04 13:54:04 <Seppoz_work> what are u using?
Aug 04 13:54:08 <Seppoz_work> openembedded itself?
Aug 04 13:54:18 <Seppoz_work> from what i saw the script is not doing much more
Aug 04 13:54:36 <Seppoz_work> i need to switch the banche of openembedded right?
Aug 04 13:54:54 <tsjsieb> that's correct, Maybe the script is indeed only changing a distro var
Aug 04 13:55:06 <tsjsieb> no, I don't think you need to change
Aug 04 13:55:22 <tsjsieb> Angstrom is a distro, in the OE repository
Aug 04 13:55:54 <Seppoz_work> what does this mena actually?
Aug 04 13:56:40 <Seppoz_work> *mean
Aug 04 13:56:53 <Seppoz_work> how am i supposed to switch the version right?
Aug 04 13:57:06 <Seppoz_work> i mean its using 2008.1
Aug 04 13:57:12 <Seppoz_work> and the latest ist 2010.7
Aug 04 13:57:13 <Seppoz_work> :(
Aug 04 13:58:05 <Seppoz_work> how do i see which versions are available atleast
Aug 04 13:58:07 <Seppoz_work> of angstrom
Aug 04 13:59:11 <Seppoz_work> the website builder also builds on 2010.4
Aug 04 13:59:16 <Seppoz_work> so it must be possible slomehow
Aug 04 14:01:54 <Seppoz_work> in /OE/angstrom-setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/conf/distro/ i just have the 2008.1 either
Aug 04 14:01:58 <Seppoz_work> really strange
Aug 04 14:06:45 <tsjsieb> my local.conf also sys 2008.1, but the created images have 2010.7 in /etc/angstrom-version so you might not need to worry about the 2008.1, it will be the most 'recent' version
Aug 04 14:10:50 <Seppoz_work> ok!
Aug 04 14:11:15 <Seppoz_work> could u do me a fav
Aug 04 14:11:22 <Seppoz_work> and see in your openembedded folder
Aug 04 14:11:25 <Seppoz_work> which git branche u on
Aug 04 14:11:29 <Seppoz_work> and also for bitbake
Aug 04 14:11:33 <Seppoz_work> would really appreciate
Aug 04 14:12:57 <XorA> the filename and distro version are independent
Aug 04 14:14:14 <Seppoz_work> what do you mean?
Aug 04 14:14:30 <Seppoz_work> which filename?
Aug 04 14:15:08 <Seppoz_work> DISTRO = "angstrom-2008.1"
Aug 04 14:15:14 <Seppoz_work> thats what i have in there
Aug 04 14:16:16 <XorA> yes, which is totally independant from the distro version
Aug 04 14:16:22 <Seppoz_work> oh
Aug 04 14:16:32 <Seppoz_work> so it will putt he lastes by itself?
Aug 04 14:16:47 <XorA> yes
Aug 04 14:16:54 <Seppoz_work> thats amazing!
Aug 04 14:16:57 <Seppoz_work> thanks
Aug 04 14:17:19 <XorA> 2008.1 is just when we forked off this branch of angstrom
Aug 04 14:17:28 <Seppoz_work> ahh ok!
Aug 04 14:17:53 <XorA> when we get angstrom-next working it will become 2010.X
Aug 04 14:18:04 <XorA> or if things go real bad, 2011.X :-)
Aug 04 14:18:11 <Seppoz_work> hahah
Aug 04 14:18:16 <Seppoz_work> whats angstrom-next?
Aug 04 14:18:36 <XorA> updated gcc/eglibc/binutils to latest version
Aug 04 14:18:49 <XorA> search for angstrom on gitorious
Aug 04 14:19:33 <Seppoz_work> whast the current version og gcc being used?
Aug 04 14:19:45 <Seppoz_work> *of
Aug 04 14:20:04 <Seppoz_work> i wonder if it would make sense t switch to eglibc
Aug 04 14:20:07 <XorA> 2.4.2 I think
Aug 04 14:20:20 <Seppoz_work> umm u sure?
Aug 04 14:20:21 <XorA> or is it 2.3.5
Aug 04 14:20:31 <XorA> depends on the platform
Aug 04 14:20:32 <Seppoz_work> isnt 4.5 out there now
Aug 04 14:20:40 <XorA> angstrom-next is 4.5
Aug 04 14:20:46 <XorA> but a lot of arm code fails with that
Aug 04 14:20:51 <Seppoz_work> looking forward to that really
Aug 04 14:20:59 <Seppoz_work> yes i noticed that
Aug 04 14:21:21 <Seppoz_work> had same proplems using 4.5 for gentoo
Aug 04 14:21:42 <XorA> ive booted a beagleboard image
Aug 04 14:21:45 <XorA> but u-boot doesnt work
Aug 04 14:21:55 <XorA> oddly x-loader does
Aug 04 14:22:01 <Seppoz_work> is there any planed support for s3c6410?
Aug 04 14:22:07 <XorA> we already do
Aug 04 14:22:12 <Seppoz_work> uhuu really?
Aug 04 14:22:43 <XorA> conf/machine/smdk6410.conf
Aug 04 14:23:16 <Seppoz_work> ahh nice!
Aug 04 14:23:22 <Seppoz_work> gotta have a look at that
Aug 04 14:23:31 <XorA> wont promise it 100% works as I dont have access to the boards anymore#
Aug 04 14:23:33 <Seppoz_work> 1 last q
Aug 04 14:23:36 <Seppoz_work> yesterday
Aug 04 14:23:44 <Seppoz_work> i used the online builder
Aug 04 14:23:55 <broonie> I contributed the recipie, I've never actually tried booting the kernel it produces though.
Aug 04 14:24:16 <XorA> someone feel free to send me s3c6410 hardware :-)
Aug 04 14:24:44 <Seppoz_work> and it always gave me images without a full busybox, i didnt have ifconfig, and fuurthermore i didnt find a way to get the tslib x11 driver modul in the package
Aug 04 14:24:52 <Seppoz_work> XorA: they are really cheap:
Aug 04 14:25:20 <Seppoz_work> http://www.andahammer.com/mini6410-4/
Aug 04 14:25:36 <XorA> Seppoz_work: as I have too much crap already I normally do board ports in exchange for a free board :-)
Aug 04 14:25:50 <XorA> that way I can spend my money on nice rum
Aug 04 14:26:02 <Seppoz_work> lol ideed rum is always nice!
Aug 04 14:26:23 <Seppoz_work> do you do kernel stuff aswell?
Aug 04 14:26:34 <XorA> I can do, not much at the moment
Aug 04 14:27:05 <Seppoz_work> maybe i send ya a free 6410 soon then haha :P
Aug 04 14:27:18 <Seppoz_work> anyways, thx so much for the info today
Aug 04 14:27:31 <Seppoz_work> i will go home now :)
Aug 04 14:27:34 <Seppoz_work> cya in 1 hour
Aug 04 14:27:35 <Seppoz_work> xD
Aug 04 14:27:37 <Seppoz_work> thx
Aug 04 14:28:14 <Seppoz_work> do u know why the online builder does such stuff
Aug 04 14:28:26 <Seppoz_work> like making busybox without ifconfig
Aug 04 14:29:02 <XorA> it just compiles images from package feeds, means someone buggered up busybox in OE
Aug 04 14:30:26 <Seppoz_work> oh
Aug 04 14:30:31 <Seppoz_work> thx i need t run
Aug 04 15:39:23 <Seppoz> whats the usuall size of a OE build?
Aug 04 16:20:50 <Seppoz> its already at 5 gb or so
Aug 04 16:20:53 <Seppoz> thats just insane
Aug 04 16:24:37 <Jonimus> Seppoz: the wiki suggest you set a aside 10GB on average for builds
Aug 04 16:30:11 <Seppoz> thats insane ;P
Aug 04 16:30:16 <Seppoz> thats really alot
Aug 04 16:33:10 <Seppoz> if i build a image once
Aug 04 16:33:16 <Seppoz> and then add a package
Aug 04 16:33:23 <Seppoz> will it have to do all the steps again?
Aug 04 16:33:31 <Seppoz> i mean it will not but will it
Aug 04 16:33:37 <Seppoz> it would not
Aug 04 16:42:54 <Jonimus> no it caches what has already been built
Aug 04 16:43:03 <Jonimus> so 10GB is the max you should need
Aug 04 16:43:49 <Jonimus> remember it needs to store the source, binaries and packages for everything that is built
Aug 04 16:44:27 <darknighte> anyone out there have suggestions on how to fix a "ERROR:QA Issue" "non -dev package contains symlink .so:" issue?
Aug 04 16:56:31 <Seppoz> umm: http://pastebin.com/Q00MHiay
Aug 04 16:56:35 <Seppoz> anybod had that error befor?
Aug 04 18:40:45 <chuckr> I want to see what options are available for Pandora's Angstrom Unix, and what kernel options have actually been selected?  I'm specifically curious regarding support for the ext4 filesystem (the current /sbin/mount doesn't do ext4)
Aug 04 18:40:58 <chuckr> is this stuff at some website?
Aug 04 18:42:56 <buZz> afaik ext4 is advised against on flash based storage devices
Aug 04 18:43:03 <buZz> maybe thats why they dont support it ;)
Aug 04 18:53:28 <samuel> Hello 
Aug 04 18:54:04 <samuel> Can I use the oebb.sh script to build Angstoem stable release ?
Aug 04 18:54:20 <buZz> no
Aug 04 18:54:41 <buZz> oebb.sh is just a script to download and update an angstrom bitbake environment
Aug 04 18:54:48 <Seppoz> anybody know how to solve this proplem:
Aug 04 18:54:49 <Seppoz> http://pastebin.com/Q00MHiay
Aug 04 18:55:01 <samuel> How can I build the stable release ?
Aug 04 18:55:28 <buZz> samuel: by reading the documentation supplied on the same page as where you grabbed that script ;)
Aug 04 18:55:34 <samuel> is there a git like ? I looked at the OE wiki ... and I'm kinda got lost there 
Aug 04 18:57:41 <samuel> buZz, this page (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom) there is only the OE wiki link ... 
Aug 04 18:58:29 <buZz> yeah exactly that
Aug 04 18:59:42 <samuel> but it only have the oebb.sh script ... :( 
Aug 04 19:00:11 <buZz> try following the steps
Aug 04 19:00:19 <buZz> that what they are there for
Aug 04 19:00:58 <samuel> I have, but the final build was not a stable one 
Aug 04 19:01:48 <buZz> hmm my build env is down atm, but there is a file you can edit somewhere in the OE tree that specifies which to build (unstable or stable)
Aug 04 19:02:52 <samuel> thanks I will check it out :) 
Aug 04 19:03:05 <samuel> does this guide is any good ?
Aug 04 19:03:06 <samuel> http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Getting_Started
Aug 04 19:03:57 <broonie> Yes.
Aug 04 19:04:12 <buZz> afaik thats the most recent yes
Aug 04 19:05:01 <chuckr> buzZ, sorry about the delay, I was looking at some (very slow to respond) Angstrom websites.  Why is Ext4 recommended against for Nand flash?
Aug 04 19:06:18 <buZz> chuckr: same reason any other journalling fs is recommended against, it will just introduce more wear and tear
Aug 04 19:11:40 <chuckr> like maybe jffs?
Aug 04 19:12:12 <buZz> yeah jffs2 is recommended for nand flash (and used a lot)
Aug 04 19:12:25 <buZz> (btw lucky you that you have a pandora)
Aug 04 19:12:26 <chuckr> I need definite things here, and then I need to see that such support is either already in, or can be added to, the Pandora's kernel
Aug 04 19:13:14 <chuckr> I do a LOT of development, would that modify your recomendation?  I saw a lot of nice improvements in ext4
Aug 04 19:13:28 <buZz> well if the pandora devs are wise, they are already using jffs for their nand flash images
Aug 04 19:13:48 <buZz> if you want ext3 or ext4, just run it on an external harddrive :)
Aug 04 19:14:06 <buZz> keep the flash inside as clean as possible (as you can hardly replace that later)
Aug 04 19:14:11 <chuckr> doesw jffs have journaling featuers?  I'm finding it hard to always unmount the flash cleanly, after a long devel session onthe Pandora, and maybe a lockup
Aug 04 19:14:30 <buZz> why not just put 'sync' in a cronjob?
Aug 04 19:14:34 <chuckr> ext2 in that situation is unacceptably miserable
Aug 04 19:14:52 <buZz> like , every 5 minutes
Aug 04 19:15:08 <broonie> chuckr: There's a clue in the name.
Aug 04 19:15:25 <buZz> The Journalling Flash File System (or JFFS) is a log-structured file system for use on NOR flash memory devices on the Linux operating system. ...
Aug 04 19:15:51 * buZz looks up to see what this 'summary' is all about
Aug 04 19:16:15 <buZz> ah, just quicker mounts?
Aug 04 19:16:34 <chuckr> sync won't help in a lockup situation.  As far as that goes, I'm hunting for a template so that I can form a good /etc/fstab line.  Both of my 32Gb flashes have 3 primary partitions, 1==boot, 2==mkswap, 3==all the rest, so for example, I want to get /dev/mmcblk0p2 added to swap
Aug 04 19:17:18 <chuckr> also (same) I want /dev/mmcblk1p2 as swap too.
Aug 04 19:17:32 <buZz> no, but syncing every 5 minutes would at  least get you back to 5 minutes ago ;)
Aug 04 19:17:49 <buZz> hehe, are there two flash devices in pandora? :D
Aug 04 19:17:53 <chuckr> I can get both manually done, but I want them done automatically from fstab
Aug 04 19:17:59 <buZz> i would be _SO_ tempted to run software raid on that :D
Aug 04 19:18:03 <chuckr> yes
Aug 04 19:18:21 <buZz> swap in fstab is easy
Aug 04 19:18:32 <buZz> /dev/mmcblk0p2 none swap sw 0 0
Aug 04 19:19:09 <chuckr> don't want software raid.  What I do care about (after I get the fstab line for swaps) is considering maybe a uniion FS, so I can have /usr/local stretched across the 2 flashes
Aug 04 19:19:57 <chuckr> in a software raid, you can't just pull one of your flashes, thjey need to be installed at all times.
Aug 04 19:20:20 <chuckr> anyhow, can I get a line for my fstab please?
Aug 04 19:20:44 <buZz> 21:18 < buZz> /dev/mmcblk0p2 none swap sw 0 0
Aug 04 19:20:47 <chuckr> for mounting my 2 flash swap partitions?
Aug 04 19:21:01 <buZz> /dev/mmcblk1p2 none swap sw 0 0
Aug 04 19:21:03 <chuckr> lemme try moment
Aug 04 19:21:04 <buZz> is the second line :)
Aug 04 19:26:51 <chuckr> fstsb is a success, now off to the question of flash filesystems.  Are you really and truyly dead set against the user of ext4?  Would you mind if I asked you to defend that position a bit?
Aug 04 19:32:54 <chuckr> buzz, I also must admit to h ave done something TERRIBLY IDIOTIC, I rebuilt the wrong flash last night, trying for a new ext3 filesystem, and managed to wipe out my entire boot image.  You got a URL that a rootfs image, so do I go Googling?
Aug 04 19:35:40 <chuckr> Fprget that last, I had an old copy sitting here on my FreeBSD host, I'll recopy that into place, and begin my reconstruction
Aug 04 19:36:09 <chuckr> I would still like to chew over your anti-ext4 prejudice
Aug 04 19:37:01 <chuckr> I am scared that JFFS would be too extreme a FS for me, and it's not even available on the Pandora, so I'll need to do a bit of work, anyhow.
Aug 04 19:56:40 <chuckr> It looks like that JFFS2 has a disadvantage, especially in large mediums like my 32Gb flash, of needing to scan all blocks on mounting.
Aug 04 19:57:01 <buZz> yeah, thats where 'summary' comes in, google it
Aug 04 19:57:52 <chuckr> ext4 has *somewhat* of a disadvantage in that it's not as singlemindedly pointed towards doing writes with MTDs in mind.
Aug 04 19:58:14 <chuckr> Can ext4 support be added into the pandora kernel?
Aug 04 20:12:00 <chuckr> is anyone trying to use a later Angstrom kernel is Pandora support?  The reason I ask this is because I found a Anstrom kernel module for ext4, but it's for 2.6.29.46 where the latest kernel in our rootfs is 2.6.27.46, definitely a difference, and it probably wouldn't load
Aug 04 20:12:48 <chuckr> Is there anyone whom I could talk to, regarding building kernels for the Pandora?
Aug 04 20:28:12 <chuckr> buZz, it looks like whether or not I use ext4 or JFFS2, I'm still going to need a new kernel image with one of those options (I'm leaning towards ext4) and a rebuilt /sbin/mount that recognizes them.  That means I need a tarball of the kernel sources and the config file they used.
Aug 04 20:29:01 <Seppoz> is the master brance suggested for armv4t builds?
Aug 04 20:29:48 <andyj> buZz: if my rebuild of angstrom-gnome-image-big still doesn't have mcookie inside the rootfs what should I do?
Aug 04 20:40:50 <avalerion> Does anyone know if it's possible to setup a USB GPS in Angstrom? In ubuntu, I can see the usb-serial gps, but no luck on the beagle. Installed GPSD.
Aug 04 20:41:14 <avalerion> ubuntu on my primary pc - not the beagle
Aug 04 20:42:49 <Seppoz> umm
Aug 04 20:42:52 <Seppoz> just compile it
Aug 04 20:42:55 <chuckr> I'm almost finished assemblinking my cross-compiler here, and I want to see if it's going to test-build a Pandora kernel.  I'll need sources (maybe a URL for them) and the config file they used, any bites?
Aug 04 20:52:06 <buZz> chuckr: the configfile should be in /proc/config.gz
Aug 04 20:52:50 <buZz> if they enabled that kernel option ;)
Aug 04 21:12:25 <raubvogel> So, I created a 128MB ext2 partition in my 1GB SD. and untared (as root) the file created by narcissus in it. 
Aug 04 21:12:56 <chuckr> good point, buZz, i'll check that, right now I'm doing that monstrusly large git download.  Having folks do that enormous download, when only about 1% (or less) nned it is abuse of the net.
Aug 04 21:13:31 <ant_> raubvogel: correct
Aug 04 21:13:32 <chuckr> but, then, I dislike git to begin with, I like centralized archives like svnor cvs
Aug 04 21:14:09 <ant_> raubvogel: can you boot that?
Aug 04 21:14:32 <raubvogel> Put the SD in my sl-5500, whichalready had kexecboot in it. This is what I saw on the screen: http://pastebin.com/imuXipDm
Aug 04 21:16:12 <Seppoz> stupid q: what do i do with a ipk file i download from the ang repo?
Aug 04 21:16:59 <ant_> raubvogel, how do you see that? isn't covered by kexecboot gui? Anyway it seems fine, mmcblk0p1
Aug 04 21:17:24 <chuckr> well, do you trust it?  That kind of file is what you usually feed into "opkg".  Maybe you could use "opkg info" on the file?
Aug 04 21:17:59 <Seppoz> chuckr: is opk a part of angstrom?
Aug 04 21:18:08 <Seppoz> opkg
Aug 04 21:18:19 <chuckr> I like my apps to go into /usr/local/ so I usually try fior minimum reliance on opkg things, but sometimes (as in, the gcc native compiler) you need to bite the bullet
Aug 04 21:18:58 <chuckr> no, it's part of the native Pandora distribution, part of what's in the pandora-rootfs.tar.gz
Aug 04 21:19:02 <raubvogel> ant_: I dunno. I honestly never got a kexecboot gui even when I booted from it. Well, it depends on what you call a gui
Aug 04 21:19:21 <chuckr> it's an improvement (of a sort) over the older ipkg
Aug 04 21:19:27 <Seppoz> ahh, so how can i get a ipk package into angstrom?
Aug 04 21:19:32 <raubvogel> If I boot without cards, I get the screen that asks whether to reboot or scan for new boot devices
Aug 04 21:19:59 <chuckr> it's not the best packaging system, but maybe it IS the best adapted to a small embedded environment.  I hate trusting installers
Aug 04 21:20:05 <ant_> like this?
Aug 04 21:20:05 <ant_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/recent-kexecboot-ipaq-hx4700
Aug 04 21:20:39 <Seppoz> ty
Aug 04 21:20:55 <ant_> raubvogel: it should detect all partitions containing a kernel
Aug 04 21:21:57 <raubvogel> ant_: it just stops at that point. As in hanging. If I leave it connected to the charger I can go home and cook lunch (me cooking is a scary idea) and it will be there on that same step
Aug 04 21:22:04 <chuckr> huh, ant_, that DOES seem to offer you a choice of ext3 or jffs2.  Wish ext4 was in there.
Aug 04 21:22:18 <ant_> you should select the image to boot and press a key
Aug 04 21:22:26 <ant_> is there
Aug 04 21:22:29 <ant_> ext4
Aug 04 21:22:31 <chuckr> other than that, I'm more used to BNSD than Linux, so I don't really know what kexecboot is
Aug 04 21:22:57 <ant_> is a wrapper around kexec, providing framebuffer gui
Aug 04 21:22:59 <raubvogel> ant_: I made the 128MB partition ext2. SD should have no other parition
Aug 04 21:23:14 <ant_> ok, then you should see one SD icon
Aug 04 21:23:35 <chuckr> fro0m what I can see, ext4 isn't supported, is that wrong?
Aug 04 21:23:40 <raubvogel> I see no icon; what you saw in the pastebin is what I got when i booted with the SD in the zaurus
Aug 04 21:24:09 <chuckr> in the zaurus!  I've got an old Zaurus ...
Aug 04 21:24:32 <ant_> chuckr, all was born around broken zaurus bootloader
Aug 04 21:24:34 <chuckr> (damn, isn't that git download EVER going to finish?)
Aug 04 21:24:49 <ant_> and reduced kernel mtd size
Aug 04 21:25:15 <raubvogel> ant_: regarding http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/recent-kexecboot-ipaq-hx4700 I did not get something like that; mine was much more primitive and icon-free
Aug 04 21:25:16 <chuckr> can't really argue much about that, I was only dismayed that it tookmthe rest of the world SO LONG to catch up!
Aug 04 21:25:44 <ant_> heh...there is better looking one in oe.dev ;)
Aug 04 21:26:52 <ant_> chuckr, we rely on klibc fstypes for fsdetection
Aug 04 21:27:05 <ant_> jffs2 and vfat are specific OE patches
Aug 04 21:27:13 <ant_> ubi/ubifs still missing...
Aug 04 21:27:30 <ant_> though, zaurus kernel have the modules already compiled
Aug 04 21:29:44 <raubvogel> ant_: I wonder if my SD has issues... kinda like the ones I had with my CF
Aug 04 21:33:17 <raubvogel> ant_, the kexecboot does have icons after all; they are are just pretty hard to see compared to the ipaq one you showed 
Aug 04 21:34:08 <ant_> http://tinyurl.com/39go8fv
Aug 04 21:34:08 <raubvogel> If I boot the zaurus on kexecboot, then insert sd, then tell it to rescan, it just hangs there claiming it is rescanning devices.
Aug 04 21:34:23 <ant_> ^^ first ever picture of kexecboot (on collie, qvga)
Aug 04 21:35:24 <ant_> raubvogel: sounds like a kernel bug...
Aug 04 21:35:34 <ant_> and if you rescan without cards?
Aug 04 21:36:12 <raubvogel> It immediately goes back to the main screen (R; reboot, S: Rescan)
Aug 04 21:36:33 <ant_> perhaps your mtd parts are messed
Aug 04 21:37:16 <ant_> btw it takes up to 20 secs to rescan 2 images (121 mb nand)
Aug 04 21:37:29 <ant_> jffs2 detection is slow :/
Aug 04 21:38:10 <ant_> on collie I don't know...once I saw a mtdparts layout with 5 partitions!
Aug 04 21:38:43 <raubvogel> this is what my kexecboot looks like, as seen by the crappy iphone camera: http://picasaweb.google.com/raubvogel/Komputer#5501672210767243826
Aug 04 21:38:46 <ant_> kexecboot binary scans each block device available 
Aug 04 21:39:21 <ant_> ok, it doesn't see any valid image on the card
Aug 04 21:39:45 <ant_> have you fscked the card?
Aug 04 21:39:54 <raubvogel> I can do that
Aug 04 21:40:01 <Seppoz> the xcblib 1.6r3.1 complains: Failed to load the xcbgen Python package
Aug 04 21:40:07 <Seppoz> is there a fix for this?
Aug 04 21:40:13 <Seppoz> could anybody plz confirm this bug?
Aug 04 21:42:21 <raubvogel> ant_: I ran fsck and it found a few issues
Aug 04 21:45:23 <raubvogel> Now I did not create a partition using the entire sd
Aug 04 21:45:31 <ant_> raubvogel: I tried with 7 partitions on a SD (7 is the max)
Aug 04 21:45:58 <raubvogel> Ok. I am just sucking on a straw right now
Aug 04 21:46:28 <raubvogel> I can wipe it and recreate the partition. Or just mkfs it
Aug 04 21:47:26 <raubvogel> Or, as you said, maybe the kernel I created was boink
Aug 04 21:48:02 <ant_> at least it should have found a /boot/zImage
Aug 04 21:49:17 <ant_> broken or not, the kernel will be kexec'ed
Aug 04 21:50:59 <ant_> are you sure the image is decompressed correctly?
Aug 04 21:51:07 <ant_> do you have /boot in root?
Aug 04 21:51:18 <raubvogel> Yeah
Aug 04 21:51:42 <ant_> you can even create just /boot on an empty partition
Aug 04 21:52:44 <raubvogel> Inside /boot (/dev/sdd1 right now), I see boot.cfg  icon.xpm  zImage  zImage-2.6.31.12
Aug 04 21:52:59 <ant_> right
Aug 04 21:53:09 <raubvogel> zimage-2.6.31.12 is around 1.9M
Aug 04 21:53:18 <ant_> np
Aug 04 21:53:26 <ant_> is on SD, not on flash
Aug 04 21:53:41 <raubvogel> The one from narcissus, yes
Aug 04 21:54:03 <raubvogel> I just untarred it all, as root, into that partition
Aug 04 21:54:04 <ant_> should have all modules compiled-in to boot from CF/SD
Aug 04 21:54:33 <ant_> is now detected?
Aug 04 21:55:00 <raubvogel> I am looking at it in the linux desktop
Aug 04 21:55:22 <ant_> ok, try to boot with SD card inserted and then to eject and rescan
Aug 04 21:55:40 <raubvogel> When I put it in the zaurus and told kexecboot to rescan, it did not see it again
Aug 04 21:55:51 <ant_> and on reboot?
Aug 04 21:55:57 <raubvogel> hang on
Aug 04 21:56:37 <raubvogel> Stops on the same point
Aug 04 21:57:29 <ant_> are you using this kexecboot-kernbel?
Aug 04 21:57:30 <ant_> http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/download.php/262/installkit-collie.tar.gz
Aug 04 21:57:39 <raubvogel> Yep
Aug 04 21:57:59 <ant_> hm..this has been tested nad reported ok by other people
Aug 04 21:58:14 <ant_> don't you have any other CF or SD?
Aug 04 21:58:17 <raubvogel> How about if we compare checksums?
Aug 04 21:58:26 <ant_> is a .tgz
Aug 04 21:58:33 <ant_> would not decompress
Aug 04 21:58:35 <raubvogel> But the zimage in it
Aug 04 21:59:00 <ant_> it is not that issue
Aug 04 21:59:45 <ant_> that old kernel should work
Aug 04 21:59:49 <raubvogel> I am looking for the cf cards
Aug 04 22:00:01 <ant_> kexecboot itself is stable since december
Aug 04 22:03:20 <raubvogel> Can't find any other sd or cf here. I thought I left them here at work but...
Aug 04 22:06:24 <raubvogel> So, I run mkfs.ext2 on that partition again
Aug 04 22:06:28 <raubvogel> then fsck on it
Aug 04 22:06:32 <raubvogel> clean so far
Aug 04 22:06:46 <raubvogel> now let's untar the files back into it
Aug 04 22:07:07 <ant_> the card is mbr formatted and not gpt, isn't?
Aug 04 22:07:15 <raubvogel> Yep
Aug 04 22:11:48 <raubvogel> You know, at this point inthe show I am trying to verify that... just in case...
Aug 04 22:14:09 <raubvogel> parted said I am using mbr
Aug 04 22:26:02 <chuckr> I'm a bit at a loss.  I tried mounting a filesystem which I'd used a mkfs.ext4 on, but mount wouldn't recognize it.  To get mount to recognize it, what has to happen?  Is it a driver for the kernel, or something dealing wth /sbin/mount itself?
Aug 04 22:27:24 <ant_> depends
Aug 04 22:27:48 <ant_> oto boot from ext4 rootfs you need ext4 compiled in kernel, not module (and more)
Aug 04 22:28:01 <ant_> you need a monolithic kernel
Aug 04 22:28:14 <ant_> embedding ata, pcmcia, 
Aug 04 22:29:06 <ant_> if you wants to mount it after boot you are ok with a fs module
Aug 04 22:29:19 <ant_> s/you/one/
Aug 04 22:29:37 <ant_> even...
Aug 04 22:29:55 <ant_> too late for good english
Aug 04 23:02:33 <raubvogel> I understand. I am going home myself
Aug 04 23:02:40 <raubvogel> seeya tomorrow
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