**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011 Mar 23 05:01:52 Hi hi. Mar 23 05:02:48 I have a (hopefully) simple question about downloading and installing if anybody's got a sec.... Mar 23 05:12:38 hi Mar 23 05:14:23 Hi. :) Mar 23 05:17:14 Ok, I'm looking at downloading and installing Angstrom. No problem. I go to the online builder page and narcissus wants me to pick a base machine image. Problem is.... none of the names on that list suggest what hardware they're for to me. None of them are even remotely similar to what I've got. Is there a list somewhere that I'm missing? Mar 23 05:26:48 ehm Mar 23 05:26:56 you could download source Mar 23 05:27:06 have you ever compiled before? Mar 23 05:27:28 sorry i was watching a show Mar 23 05:30:18 Sokay.... figured someone would see it eventually. Mar 23 05:30:19 :) Mar 23 05:30:23 It's the nature of IRC. Mar 23 05:30:24 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Mar 23 05:30:38 * CorwinWeber winces.... Mar 23 05:30:51 I run Ubuntu so I won't HAVE to compile source... :P :) Mar 23 05:30:52 haha Mar 23 05:31:11 well in regard to angstrom u have no choice Mar 23 05:31:19 open a terminal Mar 23 05:31:24 I can do it but it's a pain. I figure there's a base image in that list that should work.... at least for one of my machines I know there's one, I just don't know what it is. Mar 23 05:31:30 become root with (sudo su) Mar 23 05:31:38 then type aptitude update Mar 23 05:31:43 aptitude install bitbake Mar 23 05:31:58 aptitude install build-essential Mar 23 05:32:06 I've got a full build environment. Mar 23 05:32:07 that should get u started Mar 23 05:32:10 Already. Mar 23 05:32:11 k Mar 23 05:32:19 I've had to compile stuff before. Mar 23 05:32:26 ah Mar 23 05:33:11 How is angstrom on MIPS anyway? Mar 23 05:33:27 One of my devices is a Mobilon Tripad. Mar 23 05:33:46 WinCE/MIPS thingy.... sort of a proto-netbook. Kinda. With PDA guts. Mar 23 05:34:00 i havent built angstrom yet Mar 23 05:34:03 k Mar 23 05:34:17 i use sourcemage gnu/linux and ran into an issue compiling bitbake Mar 23 05:34:27 of which i should try resolving right now Mar 23 05:36:35 Ok.... that page you sent me to has a link to conf files.... and there's one for my Zire 72s.... Mar 23 05:37:33 cool Mar 23 05:37:42 it has one for my ipaq also Mar 23 05:38:03 Now I just have to hope I can compile on my.... erm.... let's say 'eclectic' Ubuntu install.... :S Mar 23 05:38:11 <<.<< Mar 23 05:38:13 >>.>> Mar 23 05:38:21 <<.<< Mar 23 05:39:07 i suppose its unstable? Mar 23 05:39:53 Well... not so much unstable as the oddest things just don't work. Mar 23 05:40:12 Like downloading video codecs. That just suddenly decided to stop working. Mar 23 05:40:19 The system itself works. Mar 23 05:40:31 It's just that weird things decide to not work. Mar 23 05:40:36 ah Mar 23 05:40:40 I need to blow it out and update. Mar 23 05:40:49 But I don't have anything big enough to back up /home on. Mar 23 05:40:57 i used to use debian testing exclusivly, but then found sourcemage far more configurable Mar 23 05:41:02 heh Mar 23 05:41:09 I... got in trouble with debian. Mar 23 05:41:24 Although I have to say.... it impressed me. Mar 23 05:41:35 The fact that I was doing something I shouldn't have been was a given. Mar 23 05:42:25 The fact that they thought to code in a section that said 'This is a bad idea and will probably break your machine. Type 'I know this is a bad idea and will probably break my machine' to continue' was.... impressive, to say the least. Mar 23 05:42:26 :) Mar 23 05:42:55 lol Mar 23 05:43:21 That's not word for word but something to that effect. Not kidding. They actually coded that in as an error message/continue prompt. Mar 23 05:43:23 sounds like u might have been playing with udev, or init system Mar 23 05:43:30 Udev I think. Mar 23 05:43:32 Been a while. Mar 23 05:43:33 :) Mar 23 05:43:48 I don't remember exactly what I was doing and it was a test install so I wasn't really paying all that much attention. Mar 23 05:43:51 udev is heavily changing again Mar 23 05:43:57 ...and yes, it broke stuff. Mar 23 05:44:12 it will be noticed on all distros within the year i think Mar 23 05:44:26 Ok.... on step 2 on this page. Mar 23 05:44:36 MACHINE=whatever /yaddayadda Mar 23 05:44:44 Do I just type that at a prompt? Mar 23 05:44:52 Or is that something I change in the script file? Mar 23 05:45:00 well as long as bitbake is installed Mar 23 05:45:04 set the machine type Mar 23 05:45:18 MACHINE is a shell variable Mar 23 05:45:21 in that situation Mar 23 05:46:20 ok, didn't have bitbake. Mar 23 05:46:25 Fortunately it's in the repositories. Mar 23 05:46:35 Or at least apt found it anyway. Mar 23 05:46:43 yea thats in a repository Mar 23 05:47:48 Ok, so I think I'm still running into the same problem. MACHINE=beagleboard gets changed to the appropriate hardware. Mar 23 05:48:01 ....and I don't know what that is.... unless it's something arbitrary I can make up. Mar 23 05:48:45 yea im running into issues also Mar 23 05:48:51 i got bitbake installed now though Mar 23 05:49:09 so enter the angstrom/setup-scripts folder Mar 23 05:49:15 k Mar 23 05:49:16 there Mar 23 05:49:20 You must invoke "./oebb.sh config " and then "./oebb.sh update" priorrnto your first bitbake command Mar 23 05:49:25 then this stuff ^ Mar 23 05:49:35 ok Mar 23 05:49:46 So for my zire I can find a config file.... that's not a problem. Mar 23 05:50:02 For the mobilon I'm not sure what to put for . Mar 23 05:50:09 just where it says machine type the name of the config file without the trailing extention Mar 23 05:52:04 ya this bitbake tool SUCKS Mar 23 05:52:09 in my opinion Mar 23 05:52:20 ugh Mar 23 05:52:21 ./configure, make, make install is far saner Mar 23 05:52:27 THANK FREAKING YOU. Mar 23 05:52:33 * CorwinWeber grumbles.... Mar 23 05:52:50 I'm still trying to wrap my head around cmake. Mar 23 05:52:58 The old way was simpler. Mar 23 05:54:30 Part of the reason I avoid source installs is that binary packages let the system keep track of what is where and there are just too damned many build tools to keep straight. Mar 23 05:54:47 i guess my python is missing a few modules. ill have to track em down before i can continue Mar 23 05:54:49 Checking out openembedded now. Mar 23 05:55:07 I got 'machine' wrong tho. Mar 23 05:55:21 nothing wrong with starting over Mar 23 05:55:45 k Mar 23 05:55:48 That's working. Mar 23 05:56:09 Still have no idea what to use for the other machine. I mean... look for the processor? Mar 23 05:56:13 Name of it anyway? Mar 23 05:56:28 sure Mar 23 05:56:42 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Mar 23 05:56:56 Ok there's a conf for qemumips. Mar 23 05:57:04 This would be on hardware instead of qemu.... Mar 23 05:57:09 But it's the right proc. Mar 23 05:57:10 theres many many mips types Mar 23 05:57:18 r4111. Mar 23 05:57:21 my router is mips Mar 23 05:57:46 And this one is for r4x processors.... but under emulation not hardware. Mar 23 05:59:37 well i guess ill build this in debian, bitbake is probably installed correctly there haha Mar 23 05:59:48 i guess i can chroot to it Mar 23 06:00:23 Yeah it seems to be working on mine so far. Mar 23 06:01:40 cool Mar 23 06:02:02 ill just have to move it into the chroot Mar 23 06:02:37 I'm tempted to try this qemumips conf for the mobilon, but I'm not sure if it'll work. Mar 23 06:02:44 I'd really rather use linux than netbsd. Mar 23 06:02:53 ya Mar 23 06:02:58 Although I know there's a version of netbsd that will run on it. Mar 23 06:03:07 qemumips is a particular cpu emulated Mar 23 06:03:16 Right. And I don't need the emulation. Mar 23 06:03:18 err i think theres 4-5 of em in qemu for mips Mar 23 06:03:19 I've got the cpu. Mar 23 06:04:55 k still checking out git.... afk nic fit. Mar 23 06:05:20 just updated my mbr from within a chroot Mar 23 06:05:22 O:-) Mar 23 06:05:36 And yes it's frightening how easily I slip back into college nighttime geekspeak after all this time. Mar 23 06:05:42 brb Mar 23 06:06:14 no clue what nic fit was Mar 23 06:14:20 Nicotene fit. Mar 23 06:14:21 :) Mar 23 06:14:49 Um, ok. Build's done I think. Mar 23 06:14:55 http://pastebin.com/dtBDFdvr Mar 23 06:15:03 thats my current situation haha Mar 23 06:15:27 im going to reboot and try versus this chroot Mar 23 06:15:29 brb Mar 23 06:20:06 just reversed the chroots, main os is debian atm Mar 23 06:20:41 wb Mar 23 06:20:53 k, building base image now Mar 23 06:21:07 I've already got an opie version for my palm, but I want to try gpe. Mar 23 06:21:52 nice Mar 23 06:22:06 cant wait to ditch win 2k3 on my ipaq Mar 23 06:22:11 sucks Mar 23 06:22:55 Yeah.... palm's just a dead platform really. Mar 23 06:23:01 Plus I want a decent media player. :) Mar 23 06:24:06 Executing: MACHINE=h4000 bitbake virtual/kernelrnERROR: Unable to parse /home/user/projects/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/conf/layer.conf: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/user/projects/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/conf/layer.conf Mar 23 06:24:10 now this sucks ^ Mar 23 06:24:18 pfft Mar 23 06:24:34 from 1 errror to the next Mar 23 06:24:35 Ok, you've effectively changed users, right? Mar 23 06:24:43 o true Mar 23 06:24:45 Maybe you have to start the config over? Run the .sh? Mar 23 06:24:46 ;) Mar 23 06:24:51 totally new distro Mar 23 06:24:56 moved folder Mar 23 06:25:03 ill just delete and resync git Mar 23 06:25:44 k Mar 23 06:26:02 git://git.hackndev.com/hackndev/linux-hnd.git master failed with signal 128, output: Mar 23 06:26:03 fatal: read error (Connection reset by peer) Mar 23 06:26:09 Weeeeeeeelllllll sheeit. Mar 23 06:26:51 palm attempt? Mar 23 06:26:57 Yeah. Mar 23 06:28:14 * CorwinWeber grumbles.... Mar 23 06:28:22 Yeah that's not gonna work. Mar 23 06:28:31 Going to that in a browser gives me 404. Mar 23 06:28:34 i got the ipaq 4350 Mar 23 06:28:39 and an eken m002 Mar 23 06:28:46 these my 2 projects Mar 23 06:29:21 as for media players though, the cowon a2 is damn amazing Mar 23 06:29:30 Yeah well these are what I have. Mar 23 06:29:31 :) Mar 23 06:29:33 i did a review on it here: atccss.net Mar 23 06:30:02 They're both computer thrift store impulse buys. Mar 23 06:30:38 o its building this time :) Mar 23 06:30:40 Ok. So, the MACHINE command is failing because one of the git sites it needs isn't there anymore. Mar 23 06:31:19 ah sucks Mar 23 06:31:37 maybe its just moved/reorganized Mar 23 06:31:42 edit some files if so Mar 23 06:31:42 probably Mar 23 06:33:41 lol error, dont use bitbake as root Mar 23 06:33:45 heh Mar 23 06:33:55 yea yea malicious bla bla. i dont use this partition anyway Mar 23 06:34:05 * CorwinWeber grins Mar 23 06:34:15 'This could damage your computer.' Mar 23 06:34:23 'You're assuming I give a rat's ass. Do it anyway.' Mar 23 06:37:18 there changed /usr/src to owner user Mar 23 06:37:20 :) Mar 23 06:37:28 :) Mar 23 06:37:45 Please install following missing utilities: diffstat,texi2html,makeinfo,cvs,chrpathrnUsing dash as /bin/sh causes various subtle build problems, please use bash instead. Mar 23 06:37:54 ugh o now thre toying with me Mar 23 06:37:57 o dont be root Mar 23 06:38:05 ugh I can't find where it's looking for hackndev Mar 23 06:38:07 but our next error will make u be root again Mar 23 06:38:08 hahaha Mar 23 06:41:04 texi2html might even be a misslabeling of a package Mar 23 06:41:08 never heard of it Mar 23 06:41:16 trying latex Mar 23 06:43:13 * CorwinWeber nods Mar 23 06:43:39 Ok trying to build virtual/kernel errors out the same way. Mar 23 06:43:56 I think something server side is telling it to go to hackndev. Mar 23 06:44:01 im curios as to why the word virtual is even there Mar 23 06:44:48 Not sure. Mar 23 06:47:24 attempting again kernel Mar 23 06:47:56 ugh Mar 23 06:48:00 this is rediculas Mar 23 06:48:08 Please install following missing utilities: makeinfo Mar 23 06:48:16 debian has nothing named that Mar 23 06:48:25 $ aptitude search make | grep info Mar 23 06:48:29 nothing returns Mar 23 06:49:01 :S Mar 23 06:51:36 texinfo supplies makeinfo Mar 23 06:51:37 grrr Mar 23 06:54:59 it even complained about /bin/sh Mar 23 06:55:08 u would think if they wanted bash Mar 23 06:55:16 it would be coded for bash Mar 23 06:55:42 but hey its screaming away now downloading stuff Mar 23 06:56:30 nods Mar 23 06:56:36 Meh still crashing. Mar 23 06:56:45 Can't tell it not to go to hackndev. Mar 23 06:59:13 Ok, so everything's on github now. Mar 23 06:59:17 And I have an address for it. Mar 23 07:01:03 got to be a config file to edit Mar 23 07:01:26 Yeah but it might be server side. Mar 23 07:02:33 well the scripts create 2 directories Mar 23 07:02:56 the one u start off in, exit that and the one it is in, ull notice a new directory next to that one Mar 23 07:03:10 check for configs in there Mar 23 07:05:39 Um.... Mar 23 07:05:50 So another setup-scripts? Mar 23 07:06:16 been through both build and sources Mar 23 07:06:59 Hmmmm. Mar 23 07:07:03 I've come across poky. Mar 23 07:08:37 well if u exit setup scripts, and the folder that is in Mar 23 07:08:43 theres a new folder next to it Mar 23 07:09:13 323 of 964 Mar 23 07:09:18 built so far Mar 23 07:10:41 ok, what's the new folder called? Mar 23 07:10:51 eh ill check Mar 23 07:11:23 o ok it is 2 setup-scripts folders Mar 23 07:11:25 weirdness Mar 23 07:11:55 everything about the angstrom build process so far has me scratching my head with wth Mar 23 07:12:05 No kidding. Mar 23 07:12:54 Ok I gotta drop this for now and eat and do laundry. Mar 23 07:12:56 Past midnight. Mar 23 07:13:08 Thanks for the help.... It's progress anyway. :) Mar 23 07:13:22 And good luck. Mar 23 07:14:03 thx Mar 23 07:14:10 its like 3am here i think Mar 23 08:44:57 ok so git has angstrom 2008? Mar 23 08:45:33 any work on it since then? Mar 23 08:47:15 some maintenence work Mar 23 08:48:11 of course 2008 is a bit of a misnomer :-) Mar 23 08:48:22 as work on it only finished a month ago Mar 23 08:48:36 lol Mar 23 08:48:44 long project times Mar 23 08:49:23 ive used an initramfs version of angstrom before Mar 23 08:49:32 building for the first time though Mar 23 08:51:41 so this command finally finished: bitbake virtual/kernel Mar 23 08:52:07 this built the crosscompile staging environment? and a kernel? Mar 23 08:55:36 i just see the developer page as kind of a blind guide Mar 23 08:56:19 would be nice to know what proprietary commands are required to add packages to the desired firmware image Mar 23 08:57:42 if i ever figure all this out, would anyone be aposed to a README file in the base of the git? Mar 23 08:57:49 id be willing to work on it. Mar 23 09:04:46 hi Mar 23 09:05:33 bluelightning, whats pdpc Mar 23 09:06:07 CcSsNET: the peer-directed projects centre, it's the organisation that funds Freenode Mar 23 09:06:14 o Mar 23 09:06:20 interesting Mar 23 09:06:41 where is it located? Mar 23 09:06:45 im near boston Mar 23 09:07:23 I'm not sure, I just donated them some money and they gave me this cloak :) Mar 23 09:07:34 o nice Mar 23 09:07:45 ill look into them soon Mar 23 09:37:39 so each diferent image type as described on page 23 of the pdf manual will compile and organize itself into seperate folders? Mar 23 09:42:57 so far i havent even figured out the damn directory structure Mar 23 09:43:02 i found kernel Mar 23 09:43:06 thats it Mar 23 09:43:39 CcSsNET: you are using OE I presume? Mar 23 09:45:02 just angstrom git Mar 23 09:45:14 building from source Mar 23 09:46:10 seems incomplete Mar 23 09:46:36 im using ncdu to navigate directories and such. i dont see a full system anywhere Mar 23 09:48:17 im going to wing it i guess and piece together what needs to be done using multiple sources Mar 23 09:48:21 the full system is in tmp/deploy/(e)glibc/images/* Mar 23 09:49:36 ah hah! Mar 23 09:49:38 thanks Mar 23 09:49:45 thats a very strange unlogical place Mar 23 09:49:47 -.- Mar 23 09:51:03 ok now that thats out of the way, how would i go about building a custom image Mar 23 09:51:14 other then the ones listed on page 23 of the pdf Mar 23 09:51:49 you would have to write an image recipe for it Mar 23 09:52:08 ok Mar 23 09:52:23 so thats what those are called on page 23? recipe's? Mar 23 09:53:14 * XorA doesnt have the pdf to hand Mar 23 09:53:25 but its whats in the git repo unders recipes/images Mar 23 09:59:23 k Mar 23 09:59:44 hugh diference from base-image and console-image Mar 23 09:59:58 1300 or so packages vs 5600 or so packages Mar 23 10:00:22 im going to try each one, then try building one with a few specific gui's Mar 23 10:08:38 once past the initial anoyances of prepairing build environment, i havent seen any compile bugs Mar 23 10:08:45 so thats quite impressive Mar 23 10:13:37 because someone else probably already hit them and fixed them :-) Mar 23 10:14:18 yea its nice Mar 23 10:14:41 although im not sure how up to date packages are, i havent really looked Mar 23 10:14:54 some very, some not so much Mar 23 10:15:27 2008 got forked off to be more stable while 2010 ploughs ahead with package updates Mar 23 10:15:40 o Mar 23 10:15:55 so somehow using git i ended up with the stable 2008 Mar 23 10:16:21 its ok for my testing id rather have stable first Mar 23 10:16:24 :) Mar 23 10:17:05 how does someone help out around angstrom? Mar 23 10:17:08 best avoid 2010 until your an expert Mar 23 10:17:27 ya Mar 23 10:18:03 i build from source all the time with sourcemage gnu/linux, and have been tinkering with openwrt alot. but angstrom is unique thats for sure in its methods Mar 23 10:27:00 angstrom is not easy to build ontop of sourcemage based on the stupid bitbake program Mar 23 10:27:05 decided to boot debian just to use it Mar 23 10:34:32 OE is familiar to people used to gentoo :-) Mar 23 10:38:40 why does sourcemage make bitbake not work? Mar 23 10:38:41 ugh Mar 23 10:38:46 i cant stand gentoo Mar 23 10:39:24 as for bitbake in sourcemage, ill have to figure out its dependancies first before i can get it to install Mar 23 10:39:25 well its not gentoo, but the recipe format is quite similar Mar 23 10:39:50 or I guess similar to rpm metadata as well Mar 23 10:40:02 * XorA quite often transfers between the two Mar 23 10:40:07 ugh cant stand rpm's either Mar 23 10:40:55 i like debian, sourcemage, standard ./configure && make && make install Mar 23 10:41:22 but everything has its own logic, ill just have to try and figure this one out Mar 23 10:41:25 I hate debian, Makefile is totally the wrong method to describe package metadata :-) Mar 23 10:41:37 eh Mar 23 10:42:00 i like debian for the simplicity of testing packages, not so much for there config methods Mar 23 10:42:37 for good autotools packages the OE recipe is really quite simple :-) Mar 23 10:42:41 inherit autotools Mar 23 10:42:53 SRC_URI = http:/dfsfsdf.com/sdfsdf.tar.gz Mar 23 10:42:58 thats it Mar 23 10:44:16 hmmm does look simple Mar 23 10:44:25 what about checksums? and signatures? Mar 23 10:46:16 sha1/md5 sums can be defined for packages and in Angstrom we require that Mar 23 10:46:42 package signing isnt done yet, we should really enter a GSoC to get that done one year Mar 23 10:47:22 sourcemage has a method where it automates systematically source url, website, short and long descriptions, signatures and checksums, as with dependancies, and conflicts Mar 23 10:47:39 dependencies are automated Mar 23 10:47:45 tool is called quill Mar 23 10:48:03 yea i figured that would be Mar 23 10:48:18 well runtime ones, you need to define build time ones in recipe Mar 23 10:48:27 ok Mar 23 10:48:48 so package entries are called recipies for OE and angstrom, in sourcemage there called spells Mar 23 10:49:49 hehe, sounds too much like roleplaying Mar 23 10:49:58 for some reason i just found sourcemage way easier then gentoo Mar 23 10:50:06 and saner on the logic of some situations Mar 23 10:50:21 command names aside Mar 23 10:51:56 * broonie casts a +10 blessing of udev on his platform Mar 23 10:52:23 well gentoo does have the issue of the rabid wolves :-) Mar 23 10:52:36 but not all situations. ive yet to figure out how to add a spell in git/cvs/svn/hg format using quill, sure i can do manually but then its not in the package list Mar 23 10:52:44 * XorA does -O9999 to make his udev faster than broonies Mar 23 10:53:36 cast -r fireball Mar 23 10:53:43 * CcSsNET waits Mar 23 10:54:00 * XorA used to use gentoo back in the early days when things like -march=k6-3 used to actually make a difference to speed Mar 23 10:54:13 these days I stick to binaries Mar 23 10:54:34 funny thing is, i compile in i686 arch :) Mar 23 10:54:43 trying to make it portable Mar 23 10:55:09 i can rebuild per system after that for its arch, but ill have a preconfigured environment to just drop on the rootfs as needed Mar 23 10:55:57 * XorA remebers when it took days to compile OE on the k6-3 Mar 23 10:56:11 ugh Mar 23 10:56:18 now its about 45 mins Mar 23 10:56:26 i gave up waiting on a p3 to compile just gcc alone Mar 23 10:56:50 said to myself ok this is pointless ill build elsewhere and drop it on the p3 after Mar 23 10:56:51 lol Mar 23 10:57:18 * XorA really must do a test build on one of the 12 core servers at work for fun Mar 23 10:57:30 would be fun Mar 23 10:57:48 my compile box is an old p4 era dual xeon Mar 23 10:58:02 3.6ghz, 2mb cache. it gets the job done Mar 23 10:59:06 sadly benchmarking the build speed of the exact same .config on kernel build times between this, and a dual core atom. atom won Mar 23 10:59:19 :-D Mar 23 10:59:23 by about 50% Mar 23 11:07:06 well i forgot to time it, but angstrom building console-image took a little over an hour Mar 23 11:29:29 i guess its not as strange a place as i thought originally for the images, allows for clib based organization, kinda clever Mar 23 11:51:02 havent checked yet, but does default config for kernel support ramdisks? Mar 23 11:52:47 erm Mar 23 11:53:10 that probably depends which random person happened to check in the kernel defconfig Mar 23 12:29:23 hmm no big deal i can modify it later i guess now that i finally understand the build logic to this system Mar 23 12:29:45 building 5th image now Mar 23 12:29:58 2 more left, then ill try testing a few Mar 23 12:58:02 * XorA sees we shall soon have a new guru on board :-) Mar 23 13:01:10 hopefully :) Mar 23 13:01:54 im going to risk it all too and flash the rom of my ipaq eventually, once i have tested a final and usable build Mar 23 13:02:22 i got serial and jtag handy if needed Mar 23 13:02:26 hopefully not Mar 23 13:27:25 yay, Angstrom always needs fresh blood Mar 23 13:27:47 even better is frsh blood with Ipaq experience Mar 23 13:27:54 heh Mar 23 13:28:04 not many people mod them? Mar 23 13:30:53 Ipaq users all bought Android phones ;-) Mar 23 13:31:10 we still get regular requests for Ipaq support but lack in Ipaq developers Mar 23 13:32:56 ahh Mar 23 13:33:05 well i might help there Mar 23 13:33:23 i just got someone over in #elinux interested in resurecting his ipaq h5550 Mar 23 13:33:26 * XorA nails an Ipaq sign on CcSsNET back :-D Mar 23 13:33:47 he'll be toying with angstrom soon enough i think Mar 23 13:34:13 android i cant stand it Mar 23 13:34:21 i got an android tablet Mar 23 13:34:33 the eken m002, im modding it once im done with ipaq Mar 23 13:41:11 my Android tablet is my device I dont fiddle with :-) Mar 23 13:41:17 I need a working device :-D Mar 23 13:42:44 haha Mar 23 13:42:58 nah, not me. it pisses me off Mar 23 13:43:05 so un linuxish Mar 23 13:43:09