**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 02:59:57 2011 Mar 25 03:08:00 Ok gotta let this charge for a bit to see if it worked. Mar 25 03:08:12 are you trying to extract to /mnt/whatever as a user when /mnt is owned by root? Mar 25 03:09:51 Shouldn't be owned by root, and I tried it with sudo too. Same thing. Mar 25 03:10:42 ... Mar 25 03:11:32 No, owner's my user account. Mar 25 03:11:38 Just remounted and checked. Mar 25 03:12:31 ok Mar 25 03:12:43 ugh Mar 25 03:12:44 run fdisk on that sd card Mar 25 03:12:53 what partition type is it? Mar 25 03:12:56 Just tried to change the permissions. For some reason the card is mounted read only Mar 25 03:13:11 heh go automount! Mar 25 03:13:17 aw shit Mar 25 03:13:20 Yeah. Mar 25 03:13:22 i like to do things myself lol Mar 25 03:13:24 That's probably it. Mar 25 03:13:39 ok so unmount and mount manually from the command line? Mar 25 03:13:44 ya Mar 25 03:13:50 but first Mar 25 03:13:55 run fdisk as root Mar 25 03:14:00 on that device Mar 25 03:14:07 just unmounted Mar 25 03:14:08 delete whatever partitons Mar 25 03:14:10 I'll remount Mar 25 03:14:13 no Mar 25 03:14:14 um, why delete? Mar 25 03:14:15 dont mount Mar 25 03:14:19 run fdisk Mar 25 03:14:20 I've got a partition that works. Mar 25 03:14:25 what type? Mar 25 03:14:36 vfat I think.... lemme check. Mar 25 03:14:46 well thats issue #2 Mar 25 03:14:49 delete it Mar 25 03:15:06 fdisk /dev/sdb? Mar 25 03:15:11 whatever device i is Mar 25 03:15:13 it* Mar 25 03:15:18 press d Mar 25 03:15:18 1 Mar 25 03:15:20 n Mar 25 03:15:21 1 Mar 25 03:15:23 t Mar 25 03:15:24 Yeah I thought it was sde but it won't run. Mar 25 03:15:25 83 Mar 25 03:15:26 a Mar 25 03:15:27 1 Mar 25 03:15:28 w Mar 25 03:15:39 thats how to use fdisk for your goal ^ Mar 25 03:16:06 next ull need to format it Mar 25 03:16:17 but first make it a linux partition as shown above ^ Mar 25 03:16:18 Ok, I'm still trying to get into fdisk. Mar 25 03:16:27 what os you use? Mar 25 03:16:31 Ubuntu. Mar 25 03:16:34 sudo su Mar 25 03:16:40 now ur root ^ Mar 25 03:16:46 I thought they took that out. Mar 25 03:16:51 doughtfull Mar 25 03:16:56 ok they didn't. Mar 25 03:17:09 unable to open sde Mar 25 03:17:17 fdisk -l Mar 25 03:17:21 I'll have to remount to see what it is Mar 25 03:17:24 thatll locate ur disks Mar 25 03:17:27 ok that worked Mar 25 03:17:44 only works as root btw Mar 25 03:18:24 ok but that's not going to read the card because it's not mounted, right? Mar 25 03:18:33 sigh Mar 25 03:18:46 did you type fdisk -l? Mar 25 03:19:01 Yes, and it found all my actual disks. Mar 25 03:19:13 Not the sdcard that's in the reader that I've already unmounted. Mar 25 03:19:16 Nada there. Mar 25 03:19:22 select the output, and press the middle mouse button (or scroll wheel) down here in this chat Mar 25 03:19:49 images/palmz72# fdisk -l Mar 25 03:19:49 Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes Mar 25 03:19:49 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Mar 25 03:19:49 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Mar 25 03:19:49 Disk identifier: 0x4f0b4f0a Mar 25 03:19:49 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mar 25 03:19:51 /dev/sda1 * 1 14592 117210208+ 7 HPFS/NTFS Mar 25 03:19:54 Disk /dev/sdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes Mar 25 03:19:56 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Mar 25 03:19:58 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Mar 25 03:19:59 Disk identifier: 0x000c64b1 Mar 25 03:20:02 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mar 25 03:20:03 /dev/sdb1 * 1 14592 117210208+ 7 HPFS/NTFS Mar 25 03:20:05 Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes Mar 25 03:20:09 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Mar 25 03:20:11 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Mar 25 03:20:13 Disk identifier: 0x0008849c Mar 25 03:20:16 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mar 25 03:20:18 /dev/sdc1 * 1 14216 114189988+ 83 Linux Mar 25 03:20:20 /dev/sdc2 14217 14593 3028252+ 5 Extended Mar 25 03:20:21 /dev/sdc5 14217 14593 3028221 82 Linux swap / Solaris Mar 25 03:20:23 Disk /dev/sdd: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes Mar 25 03:20:26 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Mar 25 03:20:28 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Mar 25 03:20:29 well i see 2 hard disks so far, now 3 hard disks, now 4, Mar 25 03:20:30 Disk identifier: 0x000c3521 Mar 25 03:20:32 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mar 25 03:20:34 /dev/sdd1 * 1 12158 97659103+ 83 Linux Mar 25 03:20:36 /dev/sdd2 12159 38913 214909537+ 5 Extended Mar 25 03:20:39 /dev/sdd5 12159 37689 205077726 83 Linux Mar 25 03:20:42 /dev/sdd6 37690 38913 9831748+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris Mar 25 03:20:43 Three 120 gig old drives and one 320 gig that's my main. Mar 25 03:21:00 whats up with udev lately Mar 25 03:21:10 mounting the sd card again because I want to copy stuff off of it before I format anyway. Mar 25 03:21:10 ok leave the card pluged in. and reboot Mar 25 03:21:28 how could u possibly mount it without knowing its /dev Mar 25 03:21:46 Because it's a gui and mounts it as soon as I insert it. :P Mar 25 03:21:52 ah ok Mar 25 03:22:03 well sorry to say thats your enemy atm Mar 25 03:22:27 automation = not geting things done as needed Mar 25 03:22:28 hehe Mar 25 03:23:27 im very mad at ubuntu Mar 25 03:23:35 and alot of distro's for doing things insanely Mar 25 03:23:40 Most of the time it just works. Mar 25 03:23:44 I'm not seeing this as insane. Mar 25 03:23:55 yea well just because it just works. doesnt mean its done sanely Mar 25 03:24:27 Yeah, I used to want to code my own kernel with a magnetized needle and a steady hand too. Mar 25 03:24:30 I got over it. Mar 25 03:24:34 :P Mar 25 03:24:37 ... Mar 25 03:24:41 Old joke. Mar 25 03:25:18 yea well considering ur position its only joke on u Mar 25 03:25:20 ;) Mar 25 03:25:31 Ok now that it's mounted fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sde Mar 25 03:25:49 and yeah it's fat16 Mar 25 03:25:51 heh Mar 25 03:25:55 crazy ubunpoo Mar 25 03:26:12 ok well to use fdisk it cant be mounted Mar 25 03:26:14 good luck Mar 25 03:31:02 screw it Mar 25 03:31:05 gparted to the rescue Mar 25 03:31:33 heh Mar 25 03:31:47 ok well either way delete the partition Mar 25 03:31:52 create a new linux one Mar 25 03:31:57 format it ext2 Mar 25 03:32:40 i find it interesting your trying to build angstrom from source, but dont use root often, nor know fdisk Mar 25 03:32:54 I don't DO this stuff. :P Mar 25 03:33:20 I've compiled before but I avoid it because it's a pain.... and I haven't used fdisk since I built this system over five years ago. Mar 25 03:33:28 ah Mar 25 03:33:53 that ubunpoo install must be aging, or did it upgrade nicely over the years? Mar 25 03:34:04 Both. Mar 25 03:34:16 I should upgrade but I haven't had anything to back my /home up onto. Mar 25 03:34:27 o Mar 25 03:34:58 well if you boot up a livecd with gparted on it, you could resize a partition, so u could have free space for a new one Mar 25 03:35:05 but resizing does risk all data Mar 25 03:35:20 ive never had it fail though Mar 25 03:35:56 k smoking while this formats Mar 25 03:36:23 never mind Mar 25 03:36:26 went quicker than I thought Mar 25 03:37:01 ya Mar 25 03:37:04 flash is quick Mar 25 03:37:18 no seek time basically Mar 25 03:37:24 just slow read/writes Mar 25 03:41:37 Ok. THINK this worked. Mar 25 03:41:39 lemme try Mar 25 03:52:01 hi djerome Mar 25 03:52:23 angstrom is based on openembedded incase ur curious Mar 25 03:53:17 hi Mar 25 03:53:18 ill be trying oe directly soon enough, but i want to work with ttylinux foundation prefiribly. Mar 25 03:56:01 Ok I'm going to have to let this charge to see if it worked. Mar 25 03:56:31 Which will take a while since it doesn't seem to really like charging off the usb. It'll do it, but it's quirky. Mar 25 03:56:58 ah Mar 25 03:57:11 yea charge up before trying stuff. im charging mine now Mar 25 03:57:16 What it actually wants is a charge cable but I got the thing at the computer thrift store cheap and it doesn't have one. Mar 25 03:57:22 So I'm on usb only. Mar 25 03:57:33 got a warning earlier to charge i was like crap. is it going to boot! Mar 25 03:57:35 hhehe Mar 25 03:57:39 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:03:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:04:14 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:16:35 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:18:14 2011 Mar 25 23:46:09 Hiya. Mar 26 00:02:07 Ok, so I've got an issue. I've got a compiled Angstrom filesystem Ok, no problem. Compressed as .bz2. To get it from my computer onto my PDA, I have to extract it on to my sdcard as root. No biggie. Mar 26 00:02:28 Extract as root onto an ext2 file system formatted sdcard. Mar 26 00:02:35 All seems fine. Mar 26 00:02:49 ....except that it's going into a zire 72s. Running palm 5. Mar 26 00:03:10 Palm 5 can't read ext2. Sooo.... the system can't see the new filesystem. Mar 26 00:03:36 Bootloader can't find the kernel even if I put the bootloader on another fat16 partition. Mar 26 00:05:38 Hey CcS. Mar 26 00:45:06 CcS... have you managed to get the thing to boot yet? Mar 26 00:46:43 Because I'm running into a fundamental problem and I haven't figured out how to get around it. Mar 26 00:47:04 ehm i took a break Mar 26 00:47:47 i also ran out of build space Mar 26 00:47:57 so deleted my build folder to start over Mar 26 00:48:02 ill be working on it tommorow Mar 26 00:48:34 Ok, so get this. Mar 26 00:48:49 To extract the filesystem, I have to do that as root onto an ext2 partition. Mar 26 00:48:53 No problem, right? Did that. Mar 26 00:49:06 But there is a problem. PalmOS can't read ext2. Mar 26 00:49:16 So the system can't find the filesystem on the card. Mar 26 00:49:34 Bootloader can't find the kernel either, since it's on a partition that the OS can't read. Mar 26 00:49:48 Whiskey.... tango.... foxtrot. Mar 26 00:50:49 eh thats irelivant Mar 26 00:50:59 palmos will only be used for a bootloader Mar 26 00:51:10 Ok, yeah.... but it still has to find the card itself. Mar 26 00:51:11 the bootloader boots a kernel, the kernel looks for ext2 and is happy Mar 26 00:51:16 no it dont Mar 26 00:51:30 you put the bootloader and the kernel on the palmos itself Mar 26 00:51:30 So, fat 16 partition for the bootloader and copy the kernel onto that? Mar 26 00:51:57 hmmmmmmmmmmm Mar 26 00:52:00 ok for example, my ipaq has an app called HaRET.exe Mar 26 00:52:06 Ok. Mar 26 00:52:26 it is a bootloader, only requirement is to have a config file and a kernel next to it. in the config i specify the sd card as / Mar 26 00:52:28 done Mar 26 00:52:32 but i dont use palmos Mar 26 00:52:37 so i cant say for that Mar 26 00:52:43 I think I tried putting both on a separate fat partition but I didn't try loading them onto the PDA itself. Mar 26 00:53:04 im not sure what you will need to do, like i said i dont use palmos Mar 26 00:53:09 * CorwinWeber nods Mar 26 00:53:12 Lemme try something. Mar 26 00:53:14 but ur goal is to get a bootloader and kernel booting Mar 26 00:53:21 then in a config specify the sd as / Mar 26 00:53:35 also! Mar 26 00:53:42 edit some files on that sd card Mar 26 00:53:49 specificly /etc/fstab Mar 26 00:53:53 make it correct Mar 26 00:53:54 ok Mar 26 00:54:23 building a custom os like this is no simple task ;) Mar 26 00:58:28 synching.... I'll install cocoboot under the palm itself Mar 26 00:58:33 it's a .prc so it'll install Mar 26 01:10:19 cool Mar 26 01:10:22 sounds right Mar 26 01:10:34 It's still not finding the image. Not sure if that might not be a problem with the conf file. Mar 26 01:10:43 I even renamed the kernel to just zImage.bin Mar 26 01:10:43 in its config file setup the rootfs / as the sd cards /dev/devicename Mar 26 01:10:54 Haven't tried just zImage tho Mar 26 01:10:58 also that /dev/devicename goes in the /etc/fstab as / Mar 26 01:11:49 Ok the conf doesn't have that option. Mar 26 01:13:47 well theres definatly a requirement of a bootloader to specify the root filesystem aka rootfs aka / Mar 26 01:15:26 Well it's not in the .conf file. Mar 26 01:15:44 So it must specify it somewhere else. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 26 02:59:58 2011