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Oct 31 10:10:15 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03testlab <testlab@angstrom> 07yocto * r2adc17cdbf 10testlab/beagleboard/eglibc/systemd-image/ (4 files): beagleboard: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.10-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision c3463a3e07111ebce02602d23b60a8abf17459d5
Oct 31 11:41:42 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net> 07master * rec8c9d04ec 10meta-angstrom/recipes-angstrom/angstrom/angstrom-uboot-scripts.bb: 
Oct 31 11:41:42 <CIA-94> angstrom: angstrom-uboot-scripts: adjust for oe-core
Oct 31 11:41:42 <CIA-94> angstrom: Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>
Oct 31 11:41:45 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net> 07master * r5e444a6ba5 10meta-angstrom/conf/distro/include/angstrom-core-tweaks.inc: 
Oct 31 11:41:45 <CIA-94> angstrom: angstrom core tweaks: whitelist SOC_FAMILY for shared state dependency tracking in MACHINEOVERRIDES
Oct 31 11:41:45 <CIA-94> angstrom: Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>
Oct 31 11:51:16 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03testlab <testlab@angstrom> 07yocto * r47c9fa61ff 10testlab/beaglebone/eglibc/systemd-image/ (4 files): beaglebone: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.10-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision b48f661fa0f40ae9150baf704a90a5a0fcf1e520
Oct 31 13:33:11 <broonie> The documentation on how to build Angstrom could do with being slightly more discoverable.
Oct 31 13:37:14 <bluelightning> broonie: yes I agree...
Oct 31 13:37:55 <broonie> All I've been able to find is the rather scary scripts in setup-scripts.
Oct 31 13:40:34 <broonie> And stuff about using monolithic OE.
Oct 31 13:41:22 <bluelightning> broonie: I think Koen is relying on the README in with the setup scripts and the individual layers
Oct 31 13:45:34 <broonie> bluelightning: The setup scripts do not include a README.
Oct 31 13:47:37 <bluelightning> hmm, I misremembered... it's what's in the meta-angstrom README
Oct 31 13:47:57 <bluelightning> could be easier to find I agree
Oct 31 13:48:22 <broonie> There's nothing saying where the source is, for example.
Oct 31 13:50:15 <broonie> bluelightning: Uh, those instructions are insane.
Oct 31 13:55:25 <Crofton|work> koen tends to rely on people being as smart as him
Oct 31 13:55:48 <Crofton|work> the oebb.sh script does get you really close
Oct 31 13:55:58 <Crofton|work> the layer stuff is pretty intimidating though
Oct 31 13:56:34 <broonie> Crofton|work: The problem with oebb.sh is that there's no way in hell I'm running a shell script that big without reverse engineering it.
Oct 31 13:58:18 <Crofton|work> yeah, I understand this
Oct 31 13:58:37 <Crofton|work> the problem is collecting the required layers
Oct 31 13:59:13 <Crofton|work> are you thinking we should docuemnt the manual assembly process?
Oct 31 13:59:52 <Crofton|work> I know koen gets a lot of "pressure" from paying work to simplify the process
Oct 31 14:00:10 <Crofton|work> I think oebb.sh started out as a ti script written by someone else
Oct 31 14:01:18 <Crofton|work> I do think there is value creating a set of instructions to build angstrom with a minimal set of layers
Oct 31 14:07:07 * XorA notes Crofton|work has agreed to do documents work
Oct 31 14:07:38 <broonie> Crofton|work: Yes. Or at least include *some* reference to where the code actually is
Oct 31 14:08:02 <broonie> It's not even clear until you grovel around in the script if you use oe, meta-oe or what.
Oct 31 14:08:19 <XorA> end of Angstrom GA, one action taken :-D
Oct 31 14:08:46 <XorA> broonie: thats given away by the branch name :-D
Oct 31 14:09:02 <broonie> Branch name/
Oct 31 14:09:18 <XorA> you cloned a git repo, look at the branch names
Oct 31 14:09:40 <broonie> master?
Oct 31 14:10:47 <XorA> oe-core would be the one for oe-core based work
Oct 31 14:10:53 * broonie notes that he only actually cloned setup-scripts out of desparation.
Oct 31 14:12:10 <broonie> AFAICT we're not supposed to use meta-oe ATM.
Oct 31 14:12:16 <broonie> Or perhaps we are.
Oct 31 14:12:35 <Crofton|work> hmm, certainly try to use it
Oct 31 14:12:37 <broonie> I guess we are as it's being actively worked on.
Oct 31 14:13:21 <Crofton|work> yes
Oct 31 14:13:38 <Crofton|work> I have some legecay stuff I use oe-classic for
Oct 31 14:14:25 <XorA> I dont beleive Angstrom has made an oe-core based release yet as oe-core has not itself made a release yet
Oct 31 14:15:04 * broonie also notes that reconfiguring dash without even bothering to ask the user is extremely rude and exactly why I don't like running random scripts like this.
Oct 31 14:15:56 <Crofton|work> like I said, the script is targeted at people who can't do these things on their own
Oct 31 14:17:34 <XorA> hmm, those lines really should be there, that is naughty
Oct 31 14:17:39 <XorA> shouldnt
Oct 31 14:18:11 <Crofton|work> like I said, the script is targeted at people who can't do these things on their own
Oct 31 14:18:41 <XorA> Crofton|work: even so it should print instructions telling them to do it, not gain root and do it quietly
Oct 31 14:18:50 <Crofton|work> this is true
Oct 31 14:19:22 <XorA> due to the idiots at gnome by shell has been bash for ages why I never noticed it
Oct 31 14:19:36 <Crofton|work> the script is a product of koen's frustration with users
Oct 31 14:21:37 <XorA> this is an issue there are a large amount of user pathalogically refuse to follow instructions but will claim loudly that they have
Oct 31 14:22:19 <Crofton|work> yep
Oct 31 14:22:40 <Crofton|work> anyway, we still need a guide for people with a clue
Oct 31 14:23:12 <XorA> well volunteered my man :-D
Oct 31 14:23:17 <Crofton|work> heh
Oct 31 14:23:25 <Crofton|work> I'' try and get to to it
Oct 31 14:23:28 * XorA doesnt have a clue
Oct 31 14:23:34 <Crofton|work> need to solve cusomter issues that are annoying this week
Oct 31 14:23:52 <Crofton|work> are you at the linaro thing?
Oct 31 14:23:53 <XorA> Im sure in the USA they are a lot easier to solve, guns are allowed
Oct 31 14:23:57 <Crofton|work> rofl
Oct 31 14:24:08 <XorA> nope, Im stuck in UK
Oct 31 14:24:16 <Crofton|work> bummer
Oct 31 14:25:07 <Crofton|work> crap
Oct 31 14:25:11 <Crofton|work> toolchain/yocto thing
Oct 31 14:25:13 <Crofton|work> now
Oct 31 14:25:52 <Crofton|work> do you know the  irc channel
Oct 31 14:26:44 <XorA> nope
Oct 31 14:27:16 <XorA> kick hrw on #linaro :-)
Oct 31 14:28:36 <broonie> I can understand why the script is useful.
Oct 31 14:28:59 <broonie> I'd just like to not have to trust something that's so hard to read.
Oct 31 14:29:37 <XorA> could be worse, could be the android build system :-)
Oct 31 14:30:25 <XorA> or autoconf where Ive spotted things poking in /proc before
Oct 31 14:30:45 <Crofton|work> just did
Oct 31 14:31:33 <broonie> XorA: Well, that's not exactly autoconf's fault.
Oct 31 14:32:14 <Crofton|work> anyway, we need to sort out edit rightson the angstrom website and work on an article
Oct 31 14:32:22 <Crofton|work> oe-core for experts
Oct 31 14:35:45 <XorA> broonie: no, but its an example of scripts people run all the time which are indecipherable and do the naughty
Oct 31 15:32:51 <broonie> XorA: Yeah, though fortunately I've never heard of anyone being stupid enough to write settings from autofoo.
Oct 31 15:37:09 <XorA> I cant remember what it was now, but I almost fell out my seat backwards
Oct 31 15:42:25 <broonie> I have seen stuff that tried to set sizes of data structures and things depending on memory sizes.
Oct 31 19:54:20 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03testlab <testlab@angstrom> 07yocto * r6efe5d8f82 10testlab/beaglebone/eglibc/systemd-image/ (4 files): beaglebone: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.10-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision 186b1080d9ccaca8d53442a182e8422133f5f5d6
Oct 31 20:55:00 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03testlab <testlab@angstrom> 07yocto * rfe9428bab5 10testlab/beaglebone/eglibc/Cloud9-IDE/ (5 files): beaglebone: Cloud9-IDE configured for angstrom v2011.10-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision 186b1080d9ccaca8d53442a182e8422133f5f5d6
Nov 01 00:38:30 <CIA-94> angstrom: 03testlab <testlab@angstrom> 07yocto * r3f8bf22e81 10testlab/beaglebone/eglibc/Cloud9-IDE/ (5 files): beaglebone: Cloud9-IDE configured for angstrom v2011.10-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision 7657d231920aa58ebe63887503dd750f2225e998
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