**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 26 02:59:57 2011 Nov 26 09:25:00 angstrom: 03testlab  07yocto * r17de3739e1 10testlab/beagleboard/eglibc/systemd-image/build-id: beagleboard: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.11-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision b3ffd40a4a1eacab90dac26df8a4a047486f3b96 Nov 26 10:05:38 angstrom: 03testlab  07yocto * ra39c3ea815 10testlab/beagleboard/eglibc/systemd-image/build-id: beagleboard: systemd-image configured for angstrom v2011.11-core using branch angstrom-staging and revision d75ac4a7da3a4fc090705cb48a1ce502cc7ec25d Nov 26 10:14:28 Hi broz, i have a beagleboard with angstrom installed and when i start my beagleboard, it does not see anything at otg port but when i plug out and plug in it can see.. how can fix it? Nov 26 12:55:22 anyone listening, or this channel is abandoned? Nov 26 12:56:33 before narcissus was broken and it didn't build jffs2 images, now, apart from that, it doesn't build -anything- for the old ipaq 5000 Nov 26 12:57:26 the "preparing image" and "assembling image" process works, and a tar.gz file is available for download, but it weights only 120KB because no packages are installed (red cross on all of them) Nov 26 12:58:01 I hope I'll have a better luck sending a mail to the developers mailing list... Nov 26 13:16:48 yep Nov 26 13:16:58 not many people test the older machines Nov 26 13:34:27 i sent an email Nov 26 13:34:42 probably the h5000 build is deprecated and broken, anyways... Nov 26 13:35:28 this ipaq I have is more of a paperweight, specially since the digitizer is broken, and the Familiar Linux I have on it is dead since long ago. Nov 26 13:36:25 the idea of using Angstrom is to make a simple small file server that doesn't consume much energy Nov 26 15:50:12 Can anyone help me please with Angstrom and mini2440? Nov 26 15:56:40 hi guys ! Nov 26 15:57:28 Argorok: this channel is mostly inactive Nov 26 15:57:47 perhaps you should send an email to one of the mailing lists Nov 26 15:59:16 Damn :/ Mailing lists aren't a culture in my country Nov 26 16:00:34 which country ? Nov 26 16:03:36 Brazil Nov 26 16:03:53 We prefer forums, irc and instant messengers with group chat Nov 26 16:06:12 I'm not used to mailing lists either. I have contact with OSS projects which have a mailing list, such as Rockbox, but these usually also have a forum (apart from the ML and IRC) Nov 26 16:06:37 I guess Angstrom doesn't have a forum because it would need moderators to keep things in order Nov 26 16:12:35 gbl08ma, probably... Too many targets Nov 26 16:13:04 not only that, it doesn't seem like there are many contributors to the project Nov 26 16:14:02 is there a depot for angstrom Nov 26 16:14:04 can't find thaht Nov 26 16:14:07 that* Nov 26 16:14:12 and old targets are forgotten, e.g. the h5000 (I own one, can't build an image for it using the online builder, as I said here earlier today) Nov 26 16:17:05 gbl08ma, I'm having trouble because I can't find the zImage Nov 26 16:17:33 for the mini2440? Nov 26 16:19:06 for the mini2440, isn't it an uImage? IIRC it uses uboot Nov 26 16:19:58 gbl08ma, dunno, I just got mini2440 yesterday =P It is my first try... Nov 26 16:20:09 But its install a boot thing called supervivi Nov 26 16:21:07 looks like that is another bootloader Nov 26 16:23:05 I only find instructions for installing android... anyway, it'd be good if you could boot *something* :) Nov 26 16:24:20 Android went fine, but runs too slow Nov 26 16:25:26 in case you don't have uboot, and want to use it instead of supervivi (uboot seems more supported): http://bill.station51.net/index.php?post/2010/01/16/U-Boot-on-Mini2440 Nov 26 16:26:24 how much RAM has the mini2440? if it's 64MB, it should run as slow as on my HTC Universal: it boots, shows the launcher, then it's unusable because there's not enough ram Nov 26 16:26:56 64Mb Nov 26 16:27:07 But went fine, run even webviews with gifs Nov 26 16:27:13 Android 1.5, but toooo slow Nov 26 16:27:18 Cant use as embedded system Nov 26 16:27:50 I will look for uboot as soon as I get the system running, first of all I want to give life to my mini2440 without android Nov 26 16:29:14 if you know what Rockbox is, you could try it on the board: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/ Nov 26 16:29:54 the project is closed now, but the guy has done some work to port Rockbox to the mini. it turns into a fairly decent MP3 player :) Nov 26 16:30:07 Rockbox is not Linux though Nov 26 16:30:17 and is much more limited than Linux Nov 26 16:31:29 I need graphic interface :/ Its a human/machine interface Nov 26 16:31:42 But let me take a look, maybe it fits for another projects Nov 26 16:31:59 it has Lua scripting capabilities Nov 26 16:32:35 it's more aimed at playing music though. and as I said, no one is officially supporting the port to the mini2440 (the code is still in their SVN though) Nov 26 16:32:51 Looks like you'll need to compile the zImage yourself: http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/embedded/mini2440/index.html Nov 26 16:33:01 (look the page for "zimage") Nov 26 16:33:59 I looked into the mini2440 some time ago, looked too expensive for what it has to offer Nov 26 16:35:12 plus, I already have an old iPaq 5450... it's not as supported by Linux as I wanted though Nov 26 16:36:57 Do you know something better than mini2440 and simple as it is? Nov 26 16:40:39 hmm, the beagleboard and the similar animal-named boards. I'm not sure what their price is when compared to the mini2440, but they have more processing capabilities Nov 26 16:40:57 and being better known, they are also supported by more Linux distros Nov 26 16:41:14 there's also this funny thing: http://raspberrypi.org Nov 26 16:41:38 although it's more aimed at teaching software development and not hardware tinkering Nov 26 16:42:00 but the price is amazing for such a device: $25 to $35 depending on the model Nov 26 16:43:26 in Brazilian reais, that's R$47.20 to R$56 Nov 26 16:53:57 can I have some help with pandaboard ? Nov 26 16:54:35 I don't think there's anyone here who can help... Nov 26 16:54:48 you could ask in the pandaboard community Nov 26 16:55:10 for installing angstrom on Pandaboard* Nov 26 17:13:48 gbl08ma, beagleboard? Never geard talk about Nov 26 17:16:44 RaspBerryPi is nice, but oesn't have DB-9 Nov 26 17:16:51 I need the serial port Nov 26 17:17:36 db-94evar! Nov 26 17:17:51 * Jonimus crawls back into his hole with his sad little h2200 Nov 26 17:18:02 Yeah! \m/ Nov 26 17:18:25 Otherwise I will need to write a driver (or use one) and use a USB->232 conector Nov 26 17:48:25 Argorok: for serial port, use a USB<->RS232 adapter. I have one of these, it's useful on the laptop since it has no serial ports Nov 26 17:49:29 the beagleboard has been around for quite a long time (3 years) so I'm surprised you haven't heard of it before Nov 26 17:50:20 gbl08ma, but I need the serial on the board... To control some CLPs Nov 26 17:50:55 the older beagleboards have... I dunno how their price compares to the mini2440 Nov 26 17:52:55 Hello ppl Nov 26 17:53:14 So, I've setup my home server to build my angstrom image for my qemu test Nov 26 17:53:39 I used the setup-scripts shown on the angstrong website Nov 26 17:54:04 how many module do the distro load ? Nov 26 17:54:11 it seems endless Nov 26 17:54:18 right now, I've build virtual/kernel, and I'm now bitbake'ing console-image Nov 26 17:54:58 I realy don't know where to go to when it finishes my console-image compilation Nov 26 17:55:17 got about 200 targets to go... Nov 26 17:55:49 I've seen my zImage already, but how do I create a tar.gz like narcissus does? Nov 26 17:56:44 and how do i create a x11 image? x11-image is not a valid target Nov 26 17:56:48 there is an image type config setting iirc. Nov 26 17:57:26 my current goal is to have a x11 capable system, and afterwards have qt-embeded on it Nov 26 17:57:46 Jonimus: IMAGE_FSTYPES Nov 26 17:57:48 ? Nov 26 17:58:06 k, then I have both tar.bz2 and ext3 there Nov 26 17:58:15 bummer Nov 26 17:58:27 Running task 2799 of 2973 (ID: 151, virtual:native:/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/qemu/qemu_0.15.0.bb, do_configure) Nov 26 17:58:48 ERROR: 'virtual:native:/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/qemu/qemu_0.15.0.bb' failed Nov 26 17:59:56 hmm, missing distro dev libs Nov 26 18:01:50 packages installed, let's continue... Nov 26 18:03:56 How can I convert the .tar.gz of Angstrom to a yaffs2 image? Nov 26 18:05:37 Argorok: make a yaffs2 fs, mount and extract? Nov 26 18:09:20 how do i create a x11 image? x11-image is not a valid target Nov 26 18:13:28 s0undt3ch: there is a directory with all the valid images somewhere Nov 26 18:13:34 just look through that Nov 26 18:13:49 k, searching Nov 26 18:47:54 I'm tryinh to have network via usb Nov 26 18:48:03 it doesn't work, and I don't know what to do :s Nov 26 18:56:56 Jonimus, Dunno, thats why Im asking... How can I make a yaffs image from the tar.gz that I got from online builder? Nov 26 18:59:29 Argorok: make a file the size of the fs, format to yaffs, mount as a loopback device, extract? Nov 26 19:02:36 Jonimus, it's impossible to not a have a tool that does it automatically :P Nov 26 19:07:49 its not that hard :P Nov 26 19:08:01 but heck if I know if there is a tool to do it for you :P Nov 26 19:09:51 Not that hard, but I will need to give a "filesystem size" Nov 26 19:29:52 Jonimus, how, then? Nov 26 19:30:51 how big is your flash chip, or the partition the FS will contain Nov 26 19:31:40 Dunno, thats why I asked for an automatted tool :P But the nand have 256mb Nov 26 19:31:52 yeah I have no clue Nov 26 19:32:06 I was just making this up as I went based on what i know about other devices. Nov 26 20:02:50 Jonimus, tryed, but not working :/ Nov 26 20:13:36 gbl08ma, are you there, man? Nov 26 20:46:38 Jonimus, can I use any zImage or should I build one for the angstrom that ive downloaded? Nov 26 20:48:06 yes I'm here Nov 26 20:48:18 sorry, was away from keyboard, using another computer Nov 26 20:48:35 Argorok: and you, still there? Nov 26 20:55:51 gbl08ma, yes Nov 26 20:55:58 Me too, was on another :P Nov 26 20:56:02 what do you wanted to ask? Nov 26 20:56:46 gbl08ma, about zImage... Can I use the zImage that I've downloaded from FriendlyARM for mini2440 or should I build a zImage (uImage, anythingImage) for the Angstron Distro that I've built with online builder and downloaded? Nov 26 20:56:58 gbl08ma, I've used u-boot 256M Nov 26 20:57:42 zImage is usually the Linux kernel. You only need to change zImages when the kernel changes. This happens e.g. with Android, where the kernel has specific patched for it Nov 26 20:58:11 The same zImage can work with different Linux 'distros' Nov 26 20:58:32 I think it's a matter of playing around with them and see if the system boots properly, what works and what not Nov 26 20:59:00 I got to go, when I get back I'll answer any questions Nov 26 20:59:23 Ok, ty, then I will try it with qtopia first Nov 26 20:59:29 Then I will try with Angstrom Nov 26 20:59:53 Im uanble to build the goddamn rootfs (yaff) for angstrom Nov 26 21:18:25 the Narcissus online builder also seems broken for lots of targets, so it can be of no help for you Nov 26 21:27:52 do you hear about the wifi problem on pandaboard ? Nov 26 21:58:28 gbl08ma, its look nice... but i dont know how to convert from tar gz to yaffs2 image Nov 26 22:00:05 well, my idea with jffs2 images was to mount one as a loopback filesystem, uncompress the tar.gz to it, then unmount the image. check if you can mount yaffs2 as a loopback FS under Linux Nov 26 22:01:18 But... Which tools I need? Nov 26 22:02:41 see if this helps you: http://code.google.com/p/yaffs2utils/ Nov 26 22:03:52 basically, I think you would need to unpack the tar.gz to a special virtual partition that stays in RAM (so you can maintain special file attributes, and the exquisite things under /dev) Nov 26 22:04:26 then you would run the yaffs2 utility called "mkyaffs2" as shown on that page, over the virtual partition Nov 26 22:05:07 then you unmount the virtual partition, and you get a yaffs2 image Nov 26 22:05:27 anyways, I don't know how to help you, perhaps you should ask in a mini2440 community Nov 26 22:06:17 one of the reasons I'd go with something like the beagleboard instead of the mini2440 is that the beagleboard/pandaboard have a much bigger community Nov 26 22:06:25 and there are lots of tutorials and such Nov 26 22:07:39 this has some information on less-used Linux Filesystems: http://www.elinux.org/File_Systems Nov 26 22:07:49 it doesn't help much in case of yaffs2 though Nov 26 22:10:11 Argorok, are you there? Nov 26 22:10:23 mkyaffs2 on googlecode just say to convert a folder into a yaffs image Nov 26 22:10:33 Doesnt need to create a separated file and format it as yaffs2? Nov 26 22:10:35 Yes Nov 26 22:10:37 Was reading Nov 26 22:12:02 I think you need to untar the tar.gz to a directory. BUT it can't be any directory, since you would loose specially file privileges and such Nov 26 22:12:41 so, my idea is to untar to a temporary partition done in RAM, then make a yaffs2 out of the folder in that partition Nov 26 22:13:19 but there's a high chance it won't work. I'd like to try this with jffs2 images, which is what my iPaq accepts, but Narcissus is broken... Nov 26 22:14:22 you're Brazilian right? Nov 26 22:16:01 Yep Nov 26 22:16:11 Looking for the yaffst formatter Nov 26 22:17:05 esta sala de IRC está quase vazia (ou pelo menos é só gente em idle) por isso podíamos estar a falar em português :) Nov 26 22:17:15 but I'm not going to do that as this channel is logged Nov 26 22:17:25 and this conversation might be useful for someone in the future Nov 26 22:22:12 Argorok: but why should you use a yaffs2 formatter? the partition I was telling yo to use can be any unix partition, such as ext2,3 or 4. Nov 26 22:22:31 Yeah, but your portuguese is from Portugal :P Nov 26 22:22:43 the only requisite is that it keeps things such as file permissions, symbolic links and special files Nov 26 22:22:46 gbl08ma, serious? I am inside my Linux in vmware Nov 26 22:23:17 isso é porque ainda não escrevo com o novo acordo ortográfico :P Nov 26 22:23:27 I use Linux most of the time Nov 26 22:23:35 so these things are not a problem Nov 26 22:24:32 basically, you unzip the tar.gz to a ext partition. it can be an old SD card or USB pendrive if you're not comfortable creating partitions that stay on RAM Nov 26 22:24:58 then you run mkyaffs2 over that partition Nov 26 22:25:13 it should create a yaffs2 image which you can use on the mini2440 Nov 26 22:30:21 Puta que pariu, agora esse caralho não quer compilar (o yaffs2utils) E no googlecode ofilho da puta não declara as dependências Nov 26 22:30:51 ve se encontras no repositoório da distro que tás a usar Nov 26 22:31:02 é o quê? ubuntu, debian, fedora? Nov 26 22:31:59 Ubuntu, mas tem nada no rep com yaffs no nome Nov 26 22:32:14 deixa ver q eu também estou a usar ubuntu Nov 26 22:32:51 32 ou 64 bits? Nov 26 22:33:33 32 Nov 26 22:33:43 nao encontro nada nao, e estou em 64 bits Nov 26 22:36:09 no meu pc compilou Nov 26 22:36:16 nao se queixou de nada Nov 26 22:36:26 ao fazer make, dá algum erro? Nov 26 22:37:24 tu tens o mini2440 e não tens o software necessário; eu tenho o software necessário e não tenho o mini2440 Nov 26 22:38:02 se não tivesse a usar linux 64 bits, talvez os binários fossem compatíveis, mas assim duvido muito Nov 26 22:38:05 NoProvider: x11-image Nov 26 22:38:10 how come? Nov 26 22:38:33 s0undt3ch: are you trying to build from source on your computer? Nov 26 22:38:38 yes Nov 26 22:38:56 there was another person in this channel some hours ago which had the same problem Nov 26 22:39:01 if I understood correctly Nov 26 22:39:07 might be me :) Nov 26 22:39:10 Quando rodo com make ele fala que não encontrou as referências log10 e ceil na math Nov 26 22:39:50 Argorok: tenta fazer "sudo apt-get install build-essentials" se ainda não fizeste Nov 26 22:40:12 Argorok: parece que faltam libraries ao GCC ou assim Nov 26 22:40:59 s0undt3ch: indeed it was you. you know, too many IRC channels (only 3 open, but still...), too many web browser tabs and, in general, too many things at the same time Nov 26 22:42:02 IRC+forums+web page designing+software compiling=confusion Nov 26 22:42:08 gbl08ma, Nem build-essentials tem no meu rep Nov 26 22:42:21 se calhar enganei-me Nov 26 22:42:56 pois no meu também não. isto de dizer pacotes de cor... Nov 26 22:44:14 é "build-essential" sem o S no fim Nov 26 22:44:29 instala o gcc, o make e mais umas coisas se não me engano Nov 26 22:44:55 s0undt3ch: do you come to this channel regularly? do Angstrom developers come here lately? Nov 26 22:45:07 because the Angstrom project looks highly inactive Nov 26 22:45:18 I would even say, "abandonware" Nov 26 22:45:35 apparently people only care about beagleboard nowadays Nov 26 22:47:03 or pandaboard ! Nov 26 22:47:54 why do I have the feeling that I'm acting as the angstrom support staff?... and thinking I came to this IRC channel some hours ago to ask for help! :D Nov 26 22:49:19 Instalei o build-essential e nada ainda de compilar :/ Nov 26 22:49:43 qual o erro exatamente? copia&cola aqui Nov 26 22:56:59 Argorok: estou a ver se acho maneira de compilar para 32 bit a partir daqui, depois era só enviar para um servidor meu e tu fazias download de lá Nov 26 23:00:01 parece que arranjei maneira, mas eu não tenho as bibliotecas de 32 bits instaladas Nov 26 23:00:13 acho que o meu desktop tem linux de 32 bit Nov 26 23:06:28 enganei-me, pelos vistos já mudei para 64 bit para ter compatibilidade com o que compilo noutros PCs Nov 26 23:14:41 gbl08ma: vim hoje apenas... Nov 26 23:15:02 ok ok let's write all our nationalities before continuing Nov 26 23:15:08 i'm Portuguese Nov 26 23:15:13 Yep, tuga Nov 26 23:15:18 ah bom Nov 26 23:15:40 mas que raio só os falantes de portugues e que usam o Angstrom? Nov 26 23:15:47 heh :) Nov 26 23:16:22 bem tenho seguido alguns tutoriais, todos eles falam em x11-image mas esse target não existe :\ Nov 26 23:16:23 para variar, porque na net só costumo encontrar pessoas de todos os países menos Portugal Nov 26 23:16:55 esses tutoriais devem ser antigos e referem-se a um target q provavelmente já não existe Nov 26 23:17:18 pois mas não consigo encontrar nenhuma imagem actual de x11 Nov 26 23:17:38 a única que consegui compilar foi a console-image Nov 26 23:17:40 mais estranho: existem builds do Angstrom para telemóveis como o HTC Universal e Blueangel, mas nenhum desses é um target Nov 26 23:18:03 pelos vistos o pessoal está a menter isso nos repos pessoais Nov 26 23:18:12 no narcissus, para ter x11 escolhe-se isso nas opções Nov 26 23:18:33 sim, mas daí não consigo nenhuma imagem útil Nov 26 23:18:41 por isso até acho que não faz sentido haver uma x11-image Nov 26 23:18:42 existe sempre algo q falha Nov 26 23:18:49 acho que o narcissus está meio estragado Nov 26 23:18:52 por isso decidi compilar eu mesmo Nov 26 23:19:31 há uns tempos atrás, não construía imagens jffs2, agora para além disso também dá erro ao tentar compilar para o h5000 (ipaq 5000) Nov 26 23:19:43 eu consigo compilar a task-x11, mas isso não cria nenhuma imagem Nov 26 23:20:07 estás a compilar para que máquina? Nov 26 23:20:20 qemuarm Nov 26 23:20:23 por enquanto Nov 26 23:21:11 o objectivo é depois compilar para http://www.lilliputuk.com/computers/panel-pcs/gk7000/ Nov 26 23:21:50 hmm pois estou a ver, é interessante Nov 26 23:22:09 e usar qt-embeded + pyside para a minha app Nov 26 23:22:18 o problema é que parece-me que isto do Angstrom já teve os seus "golden days" que já passaram, se é q me entendes Nov 26 23:22:33 sim, mas não vejo alternativa linux Nov 26 23:22:44 tá tudo a ir para o android Nov 26 23:22:44 só por acaso, já tentaste compilar alguma coisa mais mainstream tipo Android? Nov 26 23:22:47 ah Nov 26 23:22:53 que coincidência Nov 26 23:23:34 o facto é, se quiseres uma UI que trabalhe bem com touchscreens e seja mantida, a única opção é Android ou Qt Nov 26 23:23:34 a minha praia é linux, não tenho muito tempo actualmente para me dedicar ao android Nov 26 23:23:41 Android is Linux Nov 26 23:23:45 sim, sim Nov 26 23:23:49 mais ou menos ;) Nov 26 23:23:51 com Java em cima Nov 26 23:23:54 bah Nov 26 23:23:56 java ;) Nov 26 23:24:04 que nem sequer é java, é dalvik Nov 26 23:24:07 Python, Cython! Nov 26 23:24:25 vai dizer isso do Python para outro canal que tenho aqui aberto que d Nov 26 23:24:33 dão-te logo em cima da cabeça Nov 26 23:24:45 bem tenho q me ir despachar para o trabalho, turno da noite :\ Nov 26 23:24:47 ok Nov 26 23:24:48 sim, imagino Nov 26 23:24:58 um dot net ou até mesmo java ;) Nov 26 23:25:01 se quiseres mais alguma coisa eu estou em http://gbl08ma.com Nov 26 23:25:09 k, obrigado Nov 26 23:25:11 não, lá é tudo C Nov 26 23:25:23 já volto daqui a uns 30, 40 mins Nov 26 23:25:28 ah c Nov 26 23:25:29 ;) Nov 26 23:25:31 Cython Nov 26 23:25:32 ! Nov 26 23:25:45 c para python, como se fosse python e com o speed to C :) Nov 26 23:25:49 *do Nov 26 23:25:52 *do C Nov 26 23:26:12 eu acho python rápido o suficiente, mas é interpretado Nov 26 23:26:29 tem as suas vantagens e desvantagens, como tudo Nov 26 23:26:51 tens que admitir, não dá para escrever um OS ou uma BIOS em python Nov 26 23:26:58 nem em java Nov 26 23:27:10 em dot.net, há uma coisa chamada CosmOS... :) Nov 26 23:32:34 * gbl08ma goes away after having joined this channel many hours ago, asking for help for building an image for his ipaq h5000... in the time he was here, he met with people asking for help but nobody who could solve our problems, and I raise the question, "what is the future of Angstrom?" Nov 26 23:33:03 Argorok, precisas de mais alguma coisa q eu possa ajudar? Nov 26 23:33:48 digo-te o mesmo que disse ao s0undt3ch, a minha "casa online" fica no site http://gbl08ma.com Nov 26 23:34:12 see you everybody / até à vista Nov 26 23:34:39 (it feels so good to type into empty channels... blah blah) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2011