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Jul 25 10:26:10 <raptor67682> hello
Jul 25 10:26:29 <raptor67682> would you know where to find the kernels for zaurus/angstroms pda/handhelds?
Jul 25 10:27:56 <XorA> we no longer produce them AFAIK
Jul 25 10:27:59 <raptor67682> here I can find smoe kernels, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?section=kernel , but it is unfrrortunelately only modules
Jul 25 10:28:10 <raptor67682> XorA:  is their a mirror somehow? 
Jul 25 10:28:46 <XorA> no idea, lack of maintainers killed Angstrom on most pdas
Jul 25 10:35:35 <raptor67682> the solution to keep debian ;)
Jul 25 10:35:43 <raptor67682> debian on handhelds is the perinity
Jul 25 10:35:57 <raptor67682> you just dev the kernel and modules, and archives/debian distro do the rest ;) 
Jul 25 10:36:30 <raptor67682> jlime can be run debian, so I did so for instance. you just need to think about the mod/kernel that handle the hardware
Jul 25 10:36:51 <raptor67682> angstrom is like most of parallel distros, it is likely to die, ... but code remains
Jul 25 10:37:35 <raptor67682> rare are those distros that may receive sufficient interests. interesting interests, distro "raise" is ubuntu
Jul 25 10:38:24 <raptor67682> my believe is that maemo, gpe, opie shall be added to debian 
Jul 25 10:38:39 <raptor67682> ex. everyone could benefit of even gpe/opie apps
Jul 25 10:38:48 <raptor67682> opie apps are cool also for normal desktops
Jul 25 10:41:55 <bluelightning> raptor67682: I'm the maintainer of Opie, I'd be happy to see it installable in debian FWIW
Jul 25 10:42:31 <bluelightning> I'm also one of the few people sort of maintaining support in OpenEmbedded for building for PDAs
Jul 25 10:42:48 <bluelightning> unfortunately keeping everything working is a difficult job :(
Jul 25 10:42:48 <broonie> The GPE stuff used to be in Debian.
Jul 25 10:43:13 <bluelightning> I think Opie even was in debian at one point a long time ago, I think it got dropped though due to lack of maintenance
Jul 25 10:43:33 <broonie> Yes, it was.
Jul 25 10:43:42 <broonie> Some lack of upstream development too.
Jul 25 10:45:58 <bluelightning> it's been slow, for sure
Jul 25 10:46:07 <bluelightning> but I still take bug reports :)
Jul 25 10:46:43 <bluelightning> I need to get back to it some time soon and finish the pending release
Jul 25 11:13:22 <raptor67682> bluelightning: my friend called it a cancer job. he does also some maintain, and recently did drop all. he said too much efforts. I can understand sometimes .... 
Jul 25 11:13:51 <raptor67682> broonie: isnt gpe still in Debian?
Jul 25 11:14:22 <broonie> Might be, though I think bits keep getting dropped when it breaks.
Jul 25 11:14:22 <raptor67682> I used GPE and OPIE mostly on linux hp jornada ;) but was quite slow
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