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May 05 03:07:57 <karki> panto : pru_handle_syscall( ) in your driver handles the upcalls, right?
May 05 03:14:52 <karki> Abhishek_ : you can boot through USB0; which happens to be the usb mini port. So if you can somehow get the pen drive to connect to that, then you can boot!
May 05 03:15:37 <panto> karki, yes, IIRC
May 05 03:15:45 <panto> sorry too jet-lagged right now
May 05 03:15:54 <karki> It's okay!
May 05 03:16:56 <karki> no problem :) I'll catch you when your fresh again.
May 05 04:13:11 <Abhishek_> Morning
May 05 04:19:19 <Abhishek_> karki: Get yourself a USB OTG Cable to plug in the pen drive there and then you power the BBB through an external source.
May 05 04:30:11 <Abhishek_> karki: IIRC, at USB0 the BBB exposes a RNDIS interface for booting, vvu|Log might be able to explain it correctly
May 05 04:33:31 <karki> I think eth over USB is only after booting.
May 05 04:33:46 <Abhishek_> yep, RNDIS
May 05 04:33:49 <karki> not sure though
May 05 04:34:30 <Abhishek_> so, you said that the pen drive at the USB Port does not power up?
May 05 04:34:43 <karki> yes, USB1 does not
May 05 04:35:04 <karki> it gets powered after boot
May 05 04:35:15 <Abhishek_> ah, I see
May 05 04:35:55 <Abhishek_> dunno how u-Boot image should be modified to get it boot from the pendrive at USB1
May 05 04:39:27 <karki> Nothing to do with the u-Boot at all
May 05 04:39:49 <karki> if you can gain access to the interactive terminal of u-Boot then it can be done
May 05 04:40:01 <karki> you dont have to modify the u-boot image
May 05 04:40:08 <Abhishek_> I see
May 05 04:40:24 <karki> but for that I'd need a serial cable
May 05 04:40:39 <karki> and I have a really messed up exam tomorrow :(
May 05 04:41:09 <Abhishek_> which paper?
May 05 04:41:39 <karki> USP
May 05 04:41:46 <karki> unix system programming
May 05 04:44:57 <Abhishek_> All the best :)
May 05 04:46:59 * karki thanks Abhishek_ , he needs all the luck in the world ;) ~500 pages of mugging!
May 05 05:33:33 <vvu|Log> karki: the usb rom bootloader exposes a rndis interface
May 05 05:33:49 <vvu|Log> and u-boot keeps the same style
May 05 05:48:59 <karki> rom bootloader is the one which loads the MLO right?
May 05 05:51:00 <vvu|Log> yep
May 05 05:51:33 <vvu|Log> the one burned in the AM3359 chip, or which is used by the BBB
May 05 05:54:51 <karki> And I thought that bootloader had to be damn lite! didn't think it would expose an RNDIS interface!
May 05 05:55:41 <karki> vvu|Log : is there any documentation regarding this? anywhere I can look and learn?
May 05 05:59:22 <vvu|Log> one minute, going to class will send you the link in a jippy
May 05 06:11:00 <Abhishek_> morning vvu|Log
May 05 06:13:47 * karki wonders where vvu|Log studies!
May 05 06:14:40 <vvu|Log> morning peeps. i study in germany, jacobs-university
May 05 06:14:44 <vvu|Log> karki: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73j/spruh73j.pdf
May 05 06:14:55 <vvu|Log> look at page4667
May 05 06:15:07 <vvu|Log> it has the full booting procedure there
May 05 06:16:26 <vvu|Log> why do u need it ?
May 05 06:16:42 <ds2> actually - someone did announce a gcc port for the PRU
May 05 06:16:53 <Abhishek_> interesting
May 05 06:18:55 <karki> ds2 : who did? so we'll have a open source C compiler?
May 05 06:19:04 <Abhishek_> ds2: how can we use that for our project?
May 05 06:20:09 <ds2> https://github.com/dinuxbg/gnupru
May 05 06:20:19 <ds2> that was the link...no idea if it works at all
May 05 06:20:22 <ds2> just saw a posting
May 05 06:20:36 <ds2> Abhishek_: I have tried the TI C compiler, and for timing critical stuff, it sucks
May 05 06:20:44 <ds2> I'm personally using assembly
May 05 06:21:14 <Abhishek_> yeah, I'll be using assembly too. It's timing critical stuff we have to deal with
May 05 06:21:48 <ds2> *nod*
May 05 06:22:14 <ds2> C compiler is nice on paper but it is a pain to count cycles and what I have seen, they aren't optimal in data handling (could be my fault though)
May 05 06:22:41 <ds2> karki: it was on the Beagle board list
May 05 06:23:16 <ds2> karki: in the archives, search for 'dinuxbg@gmail.com'
May 05 06:34:43 <Abhishek_> ds2: not found for me
May 05 06:42:30 <ds2> works for me
May 05 06:42:46 <ds2> https://github.com/dinuxbg/gnupru
May 05 06:42:50 <ds2> or you mean the mail?
May 05 06:42:54 <Abhishek_> I mean the mail
May 05 06:43:47 <Abhishek_> the Google Groups for beagleboard, this one: https://github.com/abhishek-kakkar/BeagleLogic.git
May 05 06:43:52 <Abhishek_> oh sorry
May 05 06:44:05 <Abhishek_> the Google Groups for beagleboard, this one: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beagleboard
May 05 10:44:04 <Abhishek_> ds2: there?
May 05 10:47:18 <av500> sleeping
May 05 12:34:29 <DiegoTc> jkridner: I work on the weekend on some details. The Zoom Effect is finish
May 05 12:34:35 <DiegoTc> View All also
May 05 12:34:39 <DiegoTc> here is the link: http://diegotc.github.io/bone101/Support/GSOC/tempboot3cards.html
May 05 12:35:12 * DiegoTc height and width is not static on that example
May 05 13:12:19 <DiegoTc> jkridner quite bussy?
May 05 13:28:35 <Abhishek_> DiegoTc: I think a "view all card together" option could be nice for a few people as they would like to view all the steps in one place instead of clicking through each card one by one.
May 05 13:29:34 <Abhishek_> Something similar as in Instructables
May 05 13:30:16 <Abhishek_> ah, you already have this
May 05 13:34:26 <DiegoTc> Abhishek_: something like this: http://diegotc.github.io/bone101/Support/GSOC/viewAll.html
May 05 13:35:07 <Abhishek_> I just saw that
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May 05 14:24:45 <karki> Abhishek_ : did you try the USB0 boot? It failed for me!
May 05 14:37:13 <Abhishek_> nope, I didn't
May 05 14:38:01 <Abhishek_> IIRC vvu|Log 's last year GSoC project was to flash the BeagleBone eMMC via android by booting through USB0
May 05 14:56:47 <jkridner> DiegoTc: yes, rather busy.
May 05 14:57:13 <DiegoTc> ok, I imagined. When you got time let me know :)
May 05 14:57:38 * DiegoTc is a little annoying :p
May 05 16:17:11 <vvu|Log> Abhishek_: yep
May 05 16:24:39 <Abhishek_> cross compiling libsigrok was painful indeed
May 05 16:24:54 <Abhishek_> lots of "gotchas"
May 05 16:26:41 <DiegoTc> ping VoltVisionSteve
May 05 16:28:49 <Abhishek_> karki: mugging all night?
May 05 17:01:18 <karki> Abhishek_ : more or less ;) you'd know how it is!
May 05 17:04:28 * mranostay is back
May 05 17:04:52 <Abhishek_> hi mranostay
May 05 17:11:26 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, hello
May 05 17:11:58 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve: hi!, A question referring to your email
May 05 17:12:07 <DiegoTc> you mean to have something like this: http://screencast.com/t/8pAHSA4Pptc
May 05 17:14:15 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, that solution makes things more defined and separate, yes.  I'm not sure if the black border is the design style we want.....have you given much thought to Jason's idea about the card outlines looking like a bone?
May 05 17:14:41 <VoltVisionSteve> ...does the card that comes with the BBB look like a bone?
May 05 17:14:41 <DiegoTc> I have
May 05 17:14:55 <DiegoTc> but
May 05 17:15:35 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve when you mean bone you mean this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/zpQrw.gif
May 05 17:16:52 <DiegoTc> jkridner: when you mean a card looking as bone you mean to a bone like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/zpQrw.gif
May 05 17:17:42 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, yes I think that is the intention....do you have the card that came with your BBB?
May 05 17:18:04 <DiegoTc> mmm yes, not near me. But I have it
May 05 17:18:26 <VoltVisionSteve> ...was it in the shape of a bone?
May 05 17:18:48 <DiegoTc> I don't remember. Do you have one near?
May 05 17:19:42 <DiegoTc> I feel stupid right now. Thought you want the card as the design of the beaglebone black. I was breaking my head in drawing it with CSS
May 05 17:19:57 <jkridner> DiegoTc: no, like the board outline.
May 05 17:20:14 <DiegoTc> ahh I was right then
May 05 17:20:16 <jkridner> shape of a bone is kina cool though.
May 05 17:20:37 <jkridner> just the bone cuts out a bit of real-estate.
May 05 17:20:54 <jkridner> if controls were spread on the outsides though, might be kinda cool looking.
May 05 17:21:12 <jkridner> anyway, whatever is should just have a nice fun, clean style.
May 05 17:21:33 <jkridner> if VoltVisionSteve likes the bone, I could like it too.
May 05 17:21:44 <jkridner> the boxes, however, look plain and awkward.
May 05 17:22:11 <VoltVisionSteve> jkridner, what about on the main page like this... http://screencast.com/t/8pAHSA4Pptc I agree the boxes are plain and awkward
May 05 17:22:13 <DiegoTc> jkridner: I consider easier to draw the bone, that the board outline.
May 05 17:23:16 <VoltVisionSteve> The bone will look cool if the aspect ratio is consistent....but if its a square it might look wierd.
May 05 17:24:30 <VoltVisionSteve> ...when jkridner talk about "controls" being around the bone, that would work on the tutorial itself, but not on the main overview page right?
May 05 17:25:00 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve: instrad of having this as a square
May 05 17:25:01 <DiegoTc> http://screencast.com/t/t0XFQcP96
May 05 17:25:08 <DiegoTc> that has to be a bone?
May 05 17:26:35 <VoltVisionSteve> Well, lets look at both options.... I think option1 is like the shape of the BBB, which to me is just landscape aspect ratio with rounded corners.... then option2 is the shape of a bone.  Which looks better?
May 05 17:30:15 <DiegoTc> I can't see the BBB layout in my mind right now :( I will try to get the best of that.
May 05 17:31:20 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve: what about the main window then?
May 05 17:31:32 <jkridner> doh, bad connection today
May 05 17:32:17 <jkridner> VoltVisionSteve: For option 1, I'd want to see a bump for the Ethernet and possibly power to give it some style.
May 05 17:32:38 <jkridner> also, the BBB doesn't have the same radius on both ends....
May 05 17:33:13 <jkridner> one outline: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/12/22/adafruit-eagle-library-now-with-beagle-bone-outline/
May 05 17:34:57 <DiegoTc> jkridner, VoltVisionSteve instead of squares this then: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/boneoutline.jpg
May 05 17:35:23 <jkridner> but removing the junk in the middle.
May 05 17:35:35 <jkridner> note the different radius on the left and right sides.
May 05 17:36:57 <VoltVisionSteve> jkridner: thanks for clarifying on option1... you are exactly right!
May 05 17:37:13 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, which do you think looks better?  option1 or option2?
May 05 17:37:29 <DiegoTc> jkridner: the junk data is this one: http://screencast.com/t/4xdTJzFS0
May 05 17:37:49 <jkridner> and the red hatch and the pins.
May 05 17:37:54 <jkridner> I think you just want the outline.
May 05 17:38:46 <VoltVisionSteve> ...right, with perhaps some "bumps" in the outline to show the DC and Ethernet connectors?
May 05 17:38:49 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve, jkridner Being honest with you, Option 1 looks cool. But I see it will take me a little work to do, draw that with CSS. I don't want to use the image.
May 05 17:39:33 <jkridner> VoltVisionSteve: yeah, I thought they stuck out a bit.
May 05 17:39:56 <jkridner> DiegoTc: for sure, needs to be pure CSS not an image.
May 05 17:39:57 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, could you use the option1 outline on both the "main page" and also on the tutorial cards?
May 05 17:40:14 * jkridner doesn't think it'll be hard to draw in CSS.
May 05 17:42:33 <DiegoTc> jkridner: see this again: http://screencast.com/t/ceRv9hoqOI
May 05 17:42:49 <DiegoTc> the red arrows will not go in the layout?
May 05 17:43:33 <DiegoTc> you want the square with the bbb layout with that same colors?
May 05 17:44:08 * DiegoTc if is that it will be easier
May 05 17:44:42 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve: yes, that's the idea
May 05 17:46:02 <jkridner> DiegoTc: Is http://jsfiddle.net/jkridner/h2dHL/ a start?
May 05 17:47:12 <DiegoTc> Sorry for saking the same question again. But I'm still thinking you wanted this way: https://www.adafruit.com/adablog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/adafruit_1563.jpg
May 05 17:47:23 <DiegoTc> jkridner: that's all?
May 05 17:47:56 <DiegoTc> I was thinking in adding all the details :'(
May 05 17:48:04 <jkridner> DiegoTc: no, just a start. I think adding cut-outs for the connectors helps the style.
May 05 17:48:34 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, the Ethernet and DC connectors stick out from the board edge.
May 05 17:48:57 <VoltVisionSteve> ...thus adding to the "definitive outline"
May 05 17:50:34 * jkridner wonders about using exact measurements (inches) in CSS: http://css-tricks.com/the-lengths-of-css/
May 05 17:50:52 <jkridner> http://jsfiddle.net/jkridner/qHedc/
May 05 17:53:41 <DiegoTc> jkridner: as connectors you want the ethernet and 5vdc
May 05 17:54:58 <DiegoTc> or you want also the USB?
May 05 17:56:49 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, the USB does not stick outside the board outline.
May 05 17:57:22 <DiegoTc> that's true. Ok i got it
May 05 17:57:36 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, you are not putting the entire connector on there....you are just showing the board outline...including connectors.
May 05 18:02:08 * jkridner continues to poke on CSS: http://jsfiddle.net/jkridner/4D7S5/
May 05 18:02:38 * jkridner doesn't quite know enough CSS to add the connector outlines just yet.
May 05 18:02:40 * jkridner has to run
May 05 18:03:00 <DiegoTc> VoltVisionSteve, jkridner something like thiswith connectors: http://screencast.com/t/DGtrPkV9m
May 05 18:03:13 <DiegoTc> jkridner: draws better with css that I do with paint :p
May 05 18:03:33 <Abhishek_> :P
May 05 18:03:39 <jkridner> DiegoTc: not sticking out so far.
May 05 18:03:52 <jkridner> DiegoTc: just sticking out as far as they do in that picture above.
May 05 18:04:19 <jkridner> some radius discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beaglebone/YOPMVRVuY7w
May 05 18:06:27 <DiegoTc> jkridner: so the picture I send is quite fine
May 05 18:08:51 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, do you have access to calipers for measuring physical size?
May 05 18:09:15 <VoltVisionSteve> make sure your connector outlines dont stick out too far... try to measure them and make them "to scale"
May 05 18:10:50 <VoltVisionSteve> DiegoTc, Calipers = http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/dd14/
May 05 18:12:22 <DiegoTc> thanks I was searching the definition
May 05 18:17:13 <DiegoTc> I'm going to lunch. Thanks for the feedback
May 05 18:30:42 <Abhishek_> ds2: sigrok-cli is now running, cross-compiled on the BBB
May 05 18:31:10 <ds2> cool
May 05 18:31:23 <ds2> Abhishek_: rpath and LD_LIBRARY_PATH does 2 different things
May 05 18:32:23 <Abhishek_> I see
May 05 18:33:03 <ds2> rpath puts in a specific restricted search path for .so objects
May 05 18:33:16 <ds2> LD_LIBRARY_PATH says look here first for .so objects
May 05 18:33:45 <ds2> for most purposes, you shouldn't need either of those unless you have an odd installation
May 05 18:34:13 <ds2> default search is /lib, /usr/lib and anything else setup by your system in /etc/ld.so.conf
May 05 18:34:36 <Abhishek_> I ripped off libraries from the BeagleBone Black to get stuff cross-compile, hence the ld magic I needed to do
May 05 18:34:58 <ds2> 'k
May 05 18:35:26 <ds2> eventually, you might want make sure it is sane/safe...LD_LIBRARY_PATH and possibly rpath can have security issues
May 05 18:35:32 <ds2> but this is embedded....
May 05 18:54:47 * vvu|Log sometimes hates mutt and offlineimap...
May 05 19:08:16 <Abhishek_> http://s10.postimg.org/l80vkxst5/Screenshot_from_2014_05_06_02_06_15.png
May 05 19:11:04 <Abhishek_> G'night
May 05 19:11:58 <vvu|Log> night Abhishek_
May 06 00:27:40 <jkridner> having serious network issues\
May 06 00:28:00 <jkridner> DiegoTc: http://pastebin.com/2wdUuShi
May 06 00:30:30 <jkridner> DiegoTc: logs are working http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/beagle-gsoc.txt
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