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Mar 22 03:12:03 * karki got a root canal yesterday :'(
Mar 22 03:12:55 <manish_09> well i'm gonna get my wisdom tooth removed in a feew days
Mar 22 03:13:12 <manish_09> :)
Mar 22 03:14:23 <manish_09> can anyone help me with a doubt that i'm having regarding the projects?
Mar 22 03:18:01 <karki> what doubt ?
Mar 22 03:18:12 <karki> manish_09
Mar 22 03:22:18 <manish_09> actually we have been working with beaglebone black for last 2 months in our college, but i'm facing problem about developing the project proposal
Mar 22 03:22:27 * vvu needs a USB analyzer :(
Mar 22 03:25:25 <manish_09> can you guide me what we have to do with those ideas?
Mar 22 03:26:12 <vvu> what project excatly ?
Mar 22 03:27:57 <manish_09> android on beaglebone black
Mar 22 03:34:29 <karki> thats vvu 's thing :D
Mar 22 03:34:51 <karki> manish_09_ : talk to vvu
Mar 22 03:35:02 <karki> he is the android guy
Mar 22 03:35:04 <karki> :)
Mar 22 03:35:34 <vvu> manish_09_: this one http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Demo_Android_app_using_BBBAndroid ?
Mar 22 03:35:46 <manish_09_> yeah
Mar 22 03:35:46 <kiran4399> sidbh_: ping :)
Mar 22 03:36:06 <vvu> not me for this one
Mar 22 03:36:28 <vvu> search for hendersa
Mar 22 03:36:33 <vvu> he should be on in a couple of h
Mar 22 03:36:55 <vvu> i'm not sure what he is looking for this project
Mar 22 03:36:59 <manish_09_> are you guys participants or members?
Mar 22 03:37:18 <vvu> members
Mar 22 03:37:50 <manish_09_> ok
Mar 22 03:38:53 <manish_09_> By the way where can i find Hendersa? there is no one by that name in my list
Mar 22 03:39:00 <vvu> he is offline now
Mar 22 03:39:38 <manish_09_> ok
Mar 22 03:40:00 <manish_09_> can i message him directly
Mar 22 03:40:17 <kiran4399> karki: ping :)
Mar 22 03:40:28 <karki> kiran pong
Mar 22 03:41:34 <kiran4399> karki: The TMR argument in Botspeak which I was talking about the other day.... when used as: GET TMR[1] gets the present value of the timer 1.... so shall I get the value of the inbuilt timer of the AM335x or the value of the timer of the PRU ?
Mar 22 03:42:15 <karki> pru timers
Mar 22 03:43:08 * vvu is not really fond of slow internet
Mar 22 03:44:40 <kiran4399> karki: I forgot to tell you a bad news. My BBB got burnt out.. I was just about to finish the GPIO stuff with starterware for pruspeak when this happened. Is it OK if I do not make a pull request to you before 27 March ?
Mar 22 03:46:11 <karki> it's okay
Mar 22 03:46:26 <karki> my bbb was burnt out during last GSoC
Mar 22 03:46:34 <karki> wasted a week during GSoC
Mar 22 03:46:37 <karki> :'(
Mar 22 03:48:47 <kiran4399> karki: OK..
Mar 22 03:56:48 <karki> :o vvu but *everybody* loves slow internet! ;)
Mar 22 03:58:00 <vvu> yeah...
Mar 22 03:58:30 <vvu> i'm sturggling here to see if bbblfs can be extended on windows but i think we need to ditch the project
Mar 22 03:58:55 <vvu> s/sturggling/struggling/g
Mar 22 04:05:00 <nerdboy> vvu: tried usbmon and wireshark?
Mar 22 04:05:19 <nerdboy> cheap usb protocol sniffing...
Mar 22 04:05:41 <nerdboy> hopefully less sturggling...
Mar 22 04:05:58 <vvu> i need windows
Mar 22 04:07:55 * nerdboy wonders if new open source analyzer hardware includes usb stuff...
Mar 22 04:08:40 <nerdboy> vvu: maybe you could get crazy with usbmon and bridging
Mar 22 04:09:01 <nerdboy> make in inline linux analyzer...
Mar 22 04:38:28 <karki> vvu : wasn't there a bbb usb sniffer ?
Mar 22 04:48:06 <praveendath921> azizulhakim:
Mar 22 04:48:09 <praveendath921> azizulhakim: ping
Mar 22 04:53:04 <apaar> ds2 :I have posted my answer to your questions on melange(PRU-Bridget)  :)
Mar 22 04:53:18 <apaar> Bridge*
Mar 22 06:22:26 <neemo> Anyone available for a couple of questions on the Cubesat project ?
Mar 22 06:25:05 <neemo> nerdboy: are you available for some quick questions?
Mar 22 06:25:33 <neemo> Or should I post on the mailing list?
Mar 22 06:26:33 <nerdboy> whatcha got?
Mar 22 06:27:36 <neemo> nerdboy: I've been reading up on the idea thing and on most things I could find around, I've got a decent clue what is required, just want to run the ideas with you to see if I'm going in the right direction
Mar 22 06:29:48 <neemo> For phase I, It's all about getting some 9DOF sensors hooked up to the PRUs and maniging to get a good read from the magnetometers, after that programming the PRU in assembly to be able to process the data in a coherent way to reduce the infulence on local noise makers
Mar 22 06:30:26 <neemo> then packaging the data and sending it off to the main proc
Mar 22 06:31:01 <neemo> Correct so far?
Mar 22 06:31:04 <nerdboy> language choice isn't specified, but otherwise okay...
Mar 22 06:31:30 <neemo> I'm currently stuck on the noise reduction part specifics, the NASA article is quite unspecific but informative
Mar 22 06:31:47 <nerdboy> might be more than one PRU processing step
Mar 22 06:31:53 <neemo> Do you have any more links/resources I could read up to on this part?
Mar 22 06:32:05 <nerdboy> nope
Mar 22 06:32:43 <nerdboy> simple way would be subtract in frequency domain
Mar 22 06:32:51 <neemo> So developing the noise reduction step is part of the project ?
Mar 22 06:32:59 <nerdboy> might be too simple
Mar 22 06:33:05 <neemo> yeah, I've thought about simple subtracting but seems to simple
Mar 22 06:33:18 <nerdboy> depends on how much they have published i guess
Mar 22 06:33:40 <neemo> even with paying attention to be synced in data, since the noise producers onboard would be picked up differently depending on distance from the magnetometer
Mar 22 06:34:06 <neemo> well I haven't found any followup on the NASA website for specifics
Mar 22 06:34:41 <nerdboy> need to search journals/web for author names to start
Mar 22 06:34:59 <neemo> a couple of papers show up on google, mostly paywalled
Mar 22 06:35:02 <nerdboy> nasa is public so they're usually pretty open with stuff
Mar 22 06:35:48 <neemo> Ok, I'll carry on with the search, found a coherent signal reduction technique for an unrelated appilication so reading that up currently
Mar 22 06:36:20 <nerdboy> i wouldn't make it critical step
Mar 22 06:36:49 <neemo> But in general, am I on the right track for the phase I ?
Mar 22 06:37:25 <neemo> nerdboy: what do you mean by noncritical? As in, I should write up a proposal without the specifics?
Mar 22 06:37:32 <neemo> of the noise reduction part
Mar 22 06:37:34 <nerdboy> being able to say something about what does/doesn't work and making a stab at a key performance parameter for follow-up would be a succeesful result
Mar 22 06:38:12 <nerdboy> i mean do the best you can in the time you have
Mar 22 06:38:48 <neemo> ok, sounds like a plan
Mar 22 06:39:01 <nerdboy> the separate data source will be less noisy
Mar 22 06:39:13 <kiran4399> sidbh: ping :)
Mar 22 06:39:42 <sidbh> kiran4399, hello
Mar 22 06:40:56 <neemo> nerdboy: I'll write up a draft proposal in a day or two and I'll send it your way for review, is that alright?
Mar 22 06:41:06 <nerdboy> neemo: in testing parlance, if you can specify a good KPP with testable values for threshold and objective
Mar 22 06:41:39 <nerdboy> you'll be doing pretty good because right now i have no idea what it should be...
Mar 22 06:41:57 <kiran4399> sidbh: jkridner was telling that, to enable access to the global GPIO register banks from pru using starterware, something was required to free the resources from the ARM Cortex-A8. And that this would start as a manual allocation step. Later in the project, some dynamic allocation process will be needed. Can you elaborate on this point ?
Mar 22 06:41:58 <neemo> nerdboy: I'll probably send a couple of emails to the mailing list in the process to iron out the specifics while writing it up :)
Mar 22 06:42:17 <nerdboy> you want other people to see it too, right?
Mar 22 06:42:50 <nerdboy> you can post it and get feedback i think
Mar 22 06:42:52 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah, ofc
Mar 22 06:43:06 <nerdboy> in the melange thing
Mar 22 06:43:39 <neemo> nerdboy: yeah, there's a setting for the visibility of the proposal, I'll put it to public when I write it up, think that's proper
Mar 22 06:44:09 <kiran4399> julianduque: ping :)
Mar 22 06:44:35 <neemo> nerdboy: I'll be spamming a bit on the mailing list none the less, I'm sure I'll have more questions going forward
Mar 22 06:44:43 <neemo> :)
Mar 22 06:45:09 <nerdboy> me too
Mar 22 06:46:22 <neemo> nerdboy: I'm off to more reading, thanks for the tips!
Mar 22 06:55:59 <sidbh> kiran4399, I'm not sure what jkridner meant, may be ask him directly :)
Mar 22 06:57:04 <kiran4399> sidbh: OK.. just correct me If I am going wrong somewhere..
Mar 22 06:57:14 <kiran4399> to access the GPIO's
Mar 22 06:57:21 <kiran4399> we first initalize the OCP..
Mar 22 06:58:24 <kiran4399> then we initialize the required GPIO module.. also initialize it's clock.. and then directly use the GPIOPinwrite API to write to the required pin.. right ?
Mar 22 07:04:08 <kiran4399> sidbh: But then in that case it is the same as doing it by accessing the registers in the code without starterware... I mean how does starterware do it differently ?
Mar 22 07:30:49 <willwill> i'm looking for a mentor for my nw getting started application
Mar 22 08:15:10 <mciancia> nerdboy: ping
Mar 22 13:04:21 <willwill> i'm looking for a mentor for my nw getting started application
Mar 22 13:42:22 <kiran4399> jkridner: what kind of document output/specification do you expect during the community bonding period to make sure that I understand the documentation ? Can you give me some examples ?
Mar 22 13:43:47 <jkridner> that's a really good question...... unfortunately I'm at http://midwestreprapfest.org and don't have much time right now.
Mar 22 13:45:09 <Keeter> kiran4399: Hasn't the community bonding period passed already? Just wondering.
Mar 22 13:46:20 <kiran4399> Keeter: No.. It is from 28 April to 24 May.
Mar 22 13:47:10 <kiran4399> jkridner: That's OK... We'll talk tomorrow !!!
Mar 22 13:48:19 <Keeter> kiran4399: Oh ok, it comes after the proposals. I thought it came before, my bad.
Mar 22 15:07:23 <mateirm94> praveendath92: Hi!
Mar 22 15:10:47 <mateirm94> I've seen that you added a new device in devices.h, a OnePlusOne device. Have you manage to make it work?
Mar 22 15:24:49 <mateirm94> av500: Hi!
Mar 22 15:49:16 <vvu> mateirm94: we figured out a way to make the driver work without any .h changes
Mar 22 15:50:01 <vvu> adb has a list of VIDs
Mar 22 15:50:16 <vvu> and we just check if the VID is right we try a control trnasfer to change into adk mode
Mar 22 15:50:29 <vvu> control transfer works only on ep0 so it goes on the right interface :)
Mar 22 15:50:37 <vvu> and pid is not needed anyway
Mar 22 15:53:10 <mateirm94> vvu: match_flags = USB_DEVICE_ID_MATCH_VENDOR this is what are you talking about?
Mar 22 15:54:15 <vvu> yes
Mar 22 15:54:19 <vvu> we match by vendor
Mar 22 15:54:24 <vvu> and in probe we send a control transfer
Mar 22 15:54:46 <vvu> mateirm94: did you put your proposal on melange ?
Mar 22 15:55:03 <mateirm94> not yet
Mar 22 15:55:36 <vvu> mateirm94: put it so we can look over it
Mar 22 15:55:46 <vvu> you can modify it afterwards
Mar 22 15:56:07 <mateirm94> ok, I am currently working on it
Mar 22 15:56:19 <vvu> just put it like this, does not really matter
Mar 22 15:57:07 <mateirm94> ok, I will put it. Thanks :)
Mar 22 15:59:19 <vvu> anytime
Mar 22 16:03:10 <webglider> vvu: hello
Mar 22 16:03:22 <vvu> webglider: hello
Mar 22 16:03:34 <vvu> i tested a lot of windows and libusb these days...no luck
Mar 22 16:03:44 <vvu> like the ROM does not like windows
Mar 22 16:04:20 <vvu> on OS X i think we can do the project but windows I do not really have hopes
Mar 22 16:04:31 <vvu> tried the link you gave me with RNDIS driver but still no luck
Mar 22 16:04:45 <vvu> I will try with a native Windows, until now i am using a MV
Mar 22 16:04:46 <vvu> VM
Mar 22 16:05:06 <webglider> vvu: about using the native windows api, will the WinUSB drivers work or we will have to program custom drivers?
Mar 22 16:05:21 <vvu> i tried winusb API
Mar 22 16:05:38 <vvu> but same thing, like the ROM does something awkward...i need a USB analyzer
Mar 22 16:05:40 <webglider> vvu: btw thanks alot for all of that :)
Mar 22 16:06:17 <shubhangi> karki : please review my proposal on melange :)
Mar 22 16:06:40 <shubhangi> alexanderhiam: Please have a look at my proposal on melange
Mar 22 16:20:56 <webglider> vvu: so what do you think of the plan to work in parallel on windows part in my proposal?
Mar 22 16:23:50 <webglider> vvu: do you think there will be hope if sufficient time is spent.. or it's totally a dead end and we can't do anything from our side?
Mar 22 16:48:54 <vvu> webglider: i do not know if it is a dead end...we need to see what happens on the usb bus.
Mar 22 16:49:00 <vvu> maybe av500 gives us any idea
Mar 22 16:51:01 <vvu> webglider: try and post on ti e2e
Mar 22 16:51:29 <webglider> jkridner: Hello, could you take a look at my proposal on melange please
Mar 22 16:52:41 <webglider> vvu: but to make a genuine post I will need the exact error messages/logs
Mar 22 16:57:42 <vvu> webglider: sorry, i will post it then
Mar 22 16:57:47 <vvu> will happen today or tomorrow
Mar 22 16:58:27 <webglider> vvu: sure :) thank you
Mar 22 16:58:48 <webglider> vvu: wish I had board, so I could experiment too :(
Mar 22 17:04:22 <FREEZX> karki: ping
Mar 22 17:04:29 <karki> pong
Mar 22 17:04:37 <FREEZX> Are you a mentor?
Mar 22 17:04:39 * karki was *just* about to sleep :p
Mar 22 17:04:41 <karki> yeah
Mar 22 17:05:04 <FREEZX> can you help me out with the circuit simulator thingie?
Mar 22 17:05:16 <karki> mmh, what help?
Mar 22 17:05:23 <FREEZX> feedback
Mar 22 17:05:34 <FREEZX> you said you liked the idea
Mar 22 17:05:35 <karki> proposal?
Mar 22 17:05:46 <FREEZX> yes
Mar 22 17:05:52 <FREEZX> it's on melange
Mar 22 17:06:08 <karki> your melange nick is also the same?
Mar 22 17:06:17 <FREEZX> KTrajkovski
Mar 22 17:06:21 <karki> ok!
Mar 22 17:06:37 <karki> I'll have a look at it once I get some shut eye :)
Mar 22 17:06:48 <FREEZX> okay, thank you :)
Mar 22 17:07:04 <karki> np!
Mar 22 17:11:52 <willwill> julianduque, could you help me with the node-webkit getting started app proposal?
Mar 22 17:15:29 <namaste> hello I want some technical help regarding driver development in BBB for posix system
Mar 22 17:32:06 <ZeekHuge> How do we submit the proposal ?
Mar 22 17:32:14 <ZeekHuge> Is there any prescribed format ?
Mar 22 17:33:06 <ketul> ZeekHuge : yep when you login and goto beagleboard.org
Mar 22 17:33:06 <webglider> ZeekHuge: go to Submit a New proposal in melange after logging in
Mar 22 17:33:25 <webglider> ZeekHuge: The template will appear in the textbox for you to fill
Mar 22 18:03:46 <nerdboy> _av500_: one more conference week coming...
Mar 22 18:04:20 * nerdboy will be in oe developer mtgs during next gsoc meeting...
Mar 22 18:16:19 <kiran4399> sidbh: ping :)
Mar 22 20:54:11 <praveendath92> mateirm94: ping
Mar 22 21:04:12 <mateirm94> pong
Mar 22 21:06:19 <mateirm94> praveendath92: I've seen the lattest commit, the match by vendor flag
Mar 22 21:06:45 <mateirm94> I don't have the a BB on me now, so I'll test it tomorrow
Mar 22 21:07:05 <mateirm94> currently I'm working on my proposal
Mar 22 21:07:25 <praveendath92> Good. That's not a fix for the 110 error code problem
Mar 22 21:07:57 <praveendath92> It makes the setup process simple, once I add all the vendor ids.
Mar 22 21:10:48 <mateirm94> last time I tried with an HUAWEI device I still got that return -22 transferred 0 error
Mar 22 21:58:30 <altairpearl> alexanderhiam,nerdboy : Thank you for taking your time to review my proposal :). I have made some corrections now as per your advice. Please review them whenever you are free.
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