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May 05 15:58:07 <chanakya_vc> hey foreverska You there?
May 05 15:58:14 <foreverska> Yea
May 05 15:58:49 <chanakya_vc> OBS won't work. There is some issue with the intel driver or something
May 05 15:59:16 <chanakya_vc> So the other suggestion that you gave,open shot was it?
May 05 15:59:26 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, ^^
May 05 16:02:33 <foreverska> Sounds about right.  Intel drivers are usually not great in LTS.  For recording I'd give gtk-recordMyDesktop a shot.  Openshot is a video editing program.
May 05 16:04:53 <foreverska> In a pinch using ffmpeg directly (ffmpeg is the base of most recording program in Linux, to include OBS) is an option but that program has the learning curve of a brick wall.
May 05 16:05:37 <chanakya_vc> This only produces in open source formats,theora.
May 05 16:06:04 <chanakya_vc> I would have to convert to mp4 right?After I record
May 05 16:07:26 <foreverska> I guess that depends on the organization.  Anyone in Linux has VLC which plays Theora but mp4 is the most accessable, yea.  Should be several tools out there to do the conversion the least of which FFMPEG itself.
May 05 16:07:44 <chanakya_vc> ffmpeg seems to be very hard to use,at least to me. I don't have much experience with it.
May 05 16:08:14 <foreverska> Oh it is.  It's very powerful though.  VLC can do media conversions IIRC>
May 05 16:08:48 <chanakya_vc> I have to upload the video to Youtube,never done that before. So I have to be sure that it allows videos to be uploaded in that format
May 05 16:10:46 <foreverska> Oh yea, that would require one of their supported formats of which there is MP4 but no Theora.  You know what, I forget about VLC's capability.  It can record a desktop.
May 05 16:11:28 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, Going to have dinner. I will be back in half an hour :)
May 05 16:11:47 <chanakya_vc> I am going to decide on a software today :)
May 05 16:11:57 <foreverska> Probably for the best :)
May 05 17:19:19 <alexhiam> hey amragaey
May 05 17:19:47 <amragaey> hi alexhiam
May 05 17:20:11 <alexhiam> you missed the meeting yesterday!
May 05 17:20:36 <amragaey> I apologize again for not attending yesterday meeting, I was out of home and couldn't reach IRC.
May 05 17:21:11 <amragaey> I opened logs and read what you did
May 05 17:21:39 <alexhiam> k, how's the video going?
May 05 17:22:36 <amragaey> I want to discuss c9.io integration with jason to make everything clear in video.
May 05 17:22:53 <amragaey> I'm starting to prepare it.
May 05 17:32:13 <alexhiam> jkridner: you free to talk bone101 for a few?
May 05 17:32:51 <jkridner> today is pretty bad.
May 05 17:33:36 <alexhiam> k. amragaey, you want to try and set a time in the next few days to talk?
May 05 17:34:34 <kiran4399_> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12U2KmgdRynvYkWAP7cduV6aKrQy0XI8zq5BeOB8GqBs/edit?usp=sharing
May 05 17:34:47 <kiran4399_> alexhiam: can you tell if the slides are ok?
May 05 17:36:49 <amragaey> ok, i'll be available tomorrow and after tomorrow at the same time of general meeting
May 05 17:37:06 <amragaey> jkridner, is that good to you?
May 05 17:39:54 <alexhiam> kiran4399_: looks great! the one thing I'm not sure about is the "real-time application" on slide 3
May 05 17:40:12 <alexhiam> which applications are 'real-time'
May 05 17:40:13 <alexhiam> ?
May 05 17:40:36 <kiran4399_> alexhiam: ardupilot is a real-time application right?
May 05 17:40:50 <kiran4399_> alexhiam: even many ros nodes are rt applications..
May 05 17:40:57 <kiran4399_> alexhiam: what do you think
May 05 17:41:10 <chanakya_vc> hey foreverska ! I am back. Had to run a few errands.
May 05 17:41:14 <alexhiam> yeah, I guess that's all true
May 05 17:41:25 <alexhiam> just ignore me
May 05 17:41:47 <foreverska> Sweet.  I have a bit of lunch at my desk but I'm paying attention
May 05 17:42:45 <chanakya_vc> I was looking at vlc. I think it will work. I could use it to record slide transitions. I would have to look for a software to add voice though
May 05 17:43:25 <kiran4399_> alexhiam: sorry.. I did not get that..
May 05 17:43:50 <alexhiam> oh, just forget what I said about real-time, it looks great
May 05 17:44:27 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, And regarding the project would you like to go through my proposal to get a better idea of what I am planning to do?I will give you the google docs link if you want?
May 05 17:44:29 <foreverska> You can record a mic at the same time as a desktop
May 05 17:45:49 <foreverska> Sure, go ahead and send it and I'll peruse it in a bit.
May 05 17:48:02 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uJnrXdMJB7tRFT49JOe2Bd7pBp3QfVsW0EndFHs8gzs/edit?usp=sharing
May 05 17:48:38 <chanakya_vc> Hey bradfa Are you there?
May 05 17:51:47 <bradfa> hi chanakya_vc
May 05 18:03:47 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Just to update you,I did go to my lab today. And I asked my seniors about it. They said that they had components like Pcf 8583 rtc.
May 05 18:04:40 <chanakya_vc> It uses I2C. But I forgot to ask them if this had a protocol driver.
May 05 18:05:37 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: it has a driver in linux already
May 05 18:05:47 <bradfa> drivers/rtc/rtc-pcf8583.c
May 05 18:06:11 <chanakya_vc> And mcp3202 adc for SPI
May 05 18:06:46 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, So I can use these right?
May 05 18:07:13 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: I'm not sure if the mcp3202 has a driver yet or not
May 05 18:08:07 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ah, there's an iio driver for the mcp3202
May 05 18:08:28 <bradfa> drivers/iio/adc/mcp320x.c should work I think
May 05 18:09:14 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, So I atleast have a device of each category that should work
May 05 18:09:20 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: so yes, these two devices should work
May 05 18:09:41 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: I think those will be good devices to test with
May 05 18:09:52 * bradfa will get to learn some about iio, too :)
May 05 18:10:07 <azizulhakim> pmezydlo: I sent you an email. Don't know if you have received it.
May 05 18:11:15 <chanakya_vc> So there are many others. They mentioned a host of other stuff like  temperature sensors. I don't have the complete list but I guess this much would be okay?
May 05 18:11:27 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, ^^
May 05 18:11:52 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: I think these two will be good for starting, if we find we want more to test with then we can have you go pillage the lab again :)
May 05 18:12:18 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: the nice thing with an ADC is you can wire a potentiometer up to it so that you can validate different readings and the RTC will always be counting
May 05 18:12:52 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: and mdp and I should be able to source these parts locally without issue
May 05 18:13:39 <chanakya_vc> Ohh.  We could actually take vary the analog value to the ADC, yes!
May 05 18:14:47 <chanakya_vc> So I am set as far as the test hardware goes. Next in the list is to obtain a logic analyzer.
May 05 18:15:50 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: hmm, on the pcf8583, you'll need a 32khz crystal as well, it might be worth trying to see if you can find an RTC chip which has an integrated crystal
May 05 18:16:10 <bradfa> one sec, I'll find a few examples for you
May 05 18:18:09 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Doesn't pcf8583 come as a module with the crystal and all? I will ask my seniors about it. They might have one with an integrated crystal.
May 05 18:18:37 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok, if you can get one built-up already with a crystal (or if they make a pcf8583 with integrated crystal) that will work
May 05 18:19:10 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: or you'll just need to source a crystal from the lab, too
May 05 18:19:49 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: if you are going to breadboard up these circuits, using DIP package components will be easiest, be sure to ask if they have the pcf8583 in DIP package, it seems the DIP may not be available to buy any longer from NXP
May 05 18:20:07 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Yes. I can do that. But I am not particularly very good with soldering :)
May 05 18:20:18 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I will.
May 05 18:20:27 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: sorry, when I say breadboarding, I mean solderless breadboarding :)
May 05 18:21:04 <chanakya_vc> A lot of my seniors are working are working in NXP. So i can straightaway ask them
May 05 18:21:32 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Ohh.
May 05 18:22:39 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: you can do soldering if you want, but I'm lazy and prefer to just plug things together when possible :)
May 05 18:22:48 <bradfa> so DIP packages FTW :)
May 05 18:23:25 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, So am I . I also don't prefer to do it.
May 05 18:23:29 <chanakya_vc> :)
May 05 18:24:09 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,  But our profs insist on soldering stuff. :)
May 05 18:25:13 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: it looks like NXP may have ended all of their RTC parts in DIP packages... Microchip and Maxim still have some.  Just a heads up.  There are other options for I2C interfaces than RTC, too, such as I2C EEPROM if you cannot find an easy to breadboard I2C RTC in the lab
May 05 18:25:18 <ds2> solder is good practice
May 05 18:25:42 <ds2> Only reason to use TH components is if you have a pile of them sitting somewhere
May 05 18:25:49 <ds2> SMD is so much easier
May 05 18:26:13 <foreverska> Harder to prototype SMD
May 05 18:26:20 <ds2> not true at all
May 05 18:26:26 * bradfa likes solderless breadboards for simple circuit playing, but to each their own (I agree SMD is much easier for "real" work)
May 05 18:26:33 <ds2> SMD is so much easier
May 05 18:26:48 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I think we would have I2C  EEPROM.
May 05 18:27:04 <ds2> want 2 SMD resistors? place them next to each other and a little solder...you're done.
May 05 18:27:14 <ds2> parallel? stack and you're done
May 05 18:27:22 <foreverska> Right but that requires you to build a PCB
May 05 18:27:30 <ds2> need to make a board? xacto knife and kapton tape
May 05 18:28:08 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, But I am not sure about the protocol driver bit. I don't think all I2C EEPROM's must be supported in LInux?
May 05 18:28:22 <ds2> nope. that's the beauty of SMD - no drilling so you just need to find ways to route a conductor around... be it tape, conductive ink... want multilayer? kapton tape
May 05 18:28:36 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: for i2c, if needed, we can use i2ctools to read and write them probably
May 05 18:29:09 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, So this works for all I2C EEPROMS, irrespective of who made it?
May 05 18:29:13 <foreverska> Ehh... IMO breadboards are easier to stage 1.  Although I don't do hardware that much so I may be out of touch.
May 05 18:30:27 <ds2> problem with through holes is you can't lay them out and flip them over w/o things falling out
May 05 18:30:42 <ds2> you can bend leads but then that makes it harder to swap out parts later
May 05 18:31:17 <foreverska> Solderless breadboard is my stage 1 usually.  Then I usually get an OSH or similar after that.
May 05 18:31:36 <foreverska> *OSH or similar to build a PCB after that
May 05 18:31:57 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: it should -> http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices
May 05 18:33:34 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Okay then there should be no problem.I am certain that I2c EEPROM is available in the lab
May 05 18:34:04 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I will look for other rtc's as well.
May 05 18:34:21 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Now for the logic analyzer.
May 05 18:34:57 <foreverska> I'd agree soldering is good practice though.  I have a JTAG interface coming in for my BBB and I'm dreading that because I don't solder enough.
May 05 18:36:18 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: don't rule out the RTC idea, just make sure you can get a package you can use and a crystal if needed
May 05 18:36:38 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, My profs keep telling us that.  :)
May 05 18:37:07 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: and if you can source an RTC that will work but doesn't have a protocol driver, I can probably write one for the chip in question
May 05 18:37:18 <bradfa> so long as I can source the chip to test
May 05 18:37:40 <ds2> look for an RTC with an internal xtal or a RTC breakout board
May 05 18:39:30 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Okay. I will. I will start looking in the lab. Give me till Saturday to confirm regarding pcf .
May 05 18:40:01 <chanakya_vc> Other than that I think we are good with the adc and the EEPROM
May 05 18:40:27 <chanakya_vc> ds2, I have no idea about those. Would have to search for them :)
May 05 18:45:18 <foreverska> Y'all get Adafruit or Digikey over there?
May 05 18:45:25 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: sounds good :)
May 05 18:45:49 <bradfa> foreverska: digikey ships everywhere, there's a digikey.in, but no idea on how horrible the shipping cost is as it all comes out of the warehouse in USA
May 05 18:46:15 <foreverska> might be worth a quote:
May 05 18:46:16 <foreverska> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=3013&vendor=1528
May 05 18:46:17 <bradfa> foreverska: chanakya_vc can get free parts from the uni lab so that's going to be the best solution I think
May 05 18:46:28 <foreverska> ah, yea, failing that though.
May 05 18:46:41 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Now for the logic analyzer. fx2 cypress is what Abhishek told me about.
May 05 18:47:25 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: yes, most of the cheap chinese made analyzers just use an FX2 part inside
May 05 18:47:28 <chanakya_vc> foreverska, I can all the parts that I can find in the inventory. Difficulty is going through it :)
May 05 18:47:40 <chanakya_vc> *use
May 05 18:48:25 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: something like this http://sigrok.org/wiki/ARMFLY_Mini-Logic
May 05 18:48:52 <chanakya_vc> digikey ships from US? I thought they did from China
May 05 18:49:46 <foreverska> They must have multiple locations.  The stuff I have on the way from them is coming from US.  I'm sure they have overseas distribution facilities though.
May 05 18:52:46 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: something like this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/saleae-logic-analyzer-24M-sampling-8-channel-A-D-signal-single-chip-debugging-tape-test-hooks/32469730451.html
May 05 18:53:10 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: just search for any logic analyzer who claims to be a saleae knock off and it'll likely work with sigrok without issue
May 05 18:53:43 <bradfa> digikey ships everything from USA: https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/international
May 05 18:54:06 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, So If I get this right,sigrok is the software (sort of a frontend on the desktop) for these analyzers?
May 05 18:55:57 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: yes, sigrok has a program called pulseview which is a GUI interface and it has decoders for various bus interfaces (like SPI and I2C)
May 05 18:56:26 <bradfa> sigrok is like a collection of programs and libs and firmwares to interface with test equipment such as logic analyzers or multimeters
May 05 18:57:07 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: pulseview looks like this with a SPI decoder on it: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/452350/14786044/37fa079a-0acb-11e6-85bf-87c1d321c11b.png
May 05 18:57:38 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, That site aliexpress is directly importing from China. I read that my government is banning imports that directly comes from there
May 05 18:58:06 <chanakya_vc> digikey might be my only option then
May 05 18:58:12 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: yes, most of the ali vendors are in china, I'm not sure what your local import situation is... :-\
May 05 18:58:49 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: you won't likely find a good deal on a logic analyzer through digikey, you might ask around your lab-mates to see if any of them can recommend a way to get an inexpensive logic analyzer
May 05 18:59:18 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I will. I think I will find one.
May 05 18:59:35 <ds2> chanakya_vc: no luck finding the FX dev boards?
May 05 19:03:47 <chanakya_vc> ds2, Nope :(
May 05 19:05:03 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I am not too sure about the import situation. Let me talk to my lab mates.My lab seniors are busy currently with their exams so. Hopefully by Sunday or  monday
May 05 19:05:39 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: ok. for now you should likely focus more on the video as that's also important
May 05 19:05:53 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: and then when you get to the lab you can get more info
May 05 19:07:27 <chanakya_vc> bradfa,Okay.
May 05 19:08:50 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I think you can record video and voice using  VLC. Problem is that I dont have a mic. I would have to get that from somewhere.
May 05 19:09:47 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: The entry you made on the elinux is not correct.
May 05 19:10:08 <ZeekHuge> particularly the project link on gsoc website.
May 05 19:10:19 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Why what's wrong? I was not too sure about it myself
May 05 19:10:26 <ZeekHuge> as i doubted, it opens up to my project.
May 05 19:10:49 <ZeekHuge> You should not copy the address from the dashboard.
May 05 19:11:03 <ZeekHuge> Use the address that the project list provides.
May 05 19:11:31 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: gtk-recordmydesktop works well, too, but yes, you'll need a mic
May 05 19:11:47 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Ohh I am so sorry
May 05 19:11:55 <ZeekHuge> so this is the address you need to use : https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#4792326748635136
May 05 19:13:16 <ds2> chanakya_vc: what about an old PC with a parallel port? :D
May 05 19:14:39 <ZeekHuge> ds2: I will be using the debian 8.4 kernel image present here : https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2016-05-04/lxqt-4gb/
May 05 19:14:45 <ZeekHuge> Will that be fine ?
May 05 19:15:56 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: the dashboard link you mentioned there will open up to the student who has his own project there in his own dashboard.
May 05 19:16:21 <ZeekHuge> just to clarify, if you are getting confused with it.
May 05 19:16:27 <ds2> ZeekHuge: what version is that?
May 05 19:16:29 <chanakya_vc> Zeekhuge but it is openeing to mine
May 05 19:17:13 <chanakya_vc> Like when I click on it shows my project.
May 05 19:17:15 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: okay, click on Patryk's link and see what opens up.
May 05 19:17:42 <ZeekHuge> ds2: Just a minute, its getting downloaded.
May 05 19:18:08 <ZeekHuge> But since its latest image, I think it will be 4.1
May 05 19:18:16 <ds2> ZeekHuge: Unless there is something seriously broken, I am generally okay with any version
May 05 19:18:22 <ds2> should be fine
May 05 19:18:32 <chanakya_vc> Zeekhuge,Okay this is weird it is opening mine there as well
May 05 19:18:33 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: What do you see ?
May 05 19:18:34 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: the link you have on elinux.org should be what ZeekHuge is saying, not what you have on the page right now.  The link you have on the page right now requires that you are logged into google to view it.  The link ZeekHuge is recommending you use will like directly to your project description without requireing a google login
May 05 19:18:50 <ds2> it may wind up getting backported to other versions but for GSoC that is fine
May 05 19:18:56 <bradfa> pmezydlo: your link has the same issue as ^^
May 05 19:19:05 <ds2> bbl lunch
May 05 19:19:23 <chanakya_vc> Okay got it.Sorry for that. Silly mistake on my part
May 05 19:20:40 <bradfa> pmezydlo: use this link: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#5652864013697024
May 05 19:20:51 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Corrected it
May 05 19:20:59 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: thanks! :)
May 05 19:21:20 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Started with the video?
May 05 19:21:51 <ZeekHuge> chanakya_vc: In mind, yes. :)
May 05 19:22:21 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, I am going to make the slides first.Probably complete them by saturday. I would like you to see them before I record it.
May 05 19:23:33 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, In any case, I have to look for a mic. Would you be free this weekend?
May 05 19:23:54 <chanakya_vc> ZeekHuge, Same here :D
May 05 19:25:17 <ZeekHuge> Whats the difference btwn -bb- and -deian- kernel images ?
May 05 19:27:34 <bradfa> chanakya_vc: if you email them to me I can take a look at them but I'm unlikely to be on IRC (even if I'm logged in I won't be checking it on the weekend)
May 05 19:28:18 <ZeekHuge> -bb- = -bone-, like those available at https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2016-05-01/lxqt-4gb/
May 05 20:10:36 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Okay. I will mail you if I complete by Saturday.
May 05 20:10:48 <chanakya_vc> bradfa, Bye!
May 05 23:27:58 <Wormo> 3 out of 7 wiki entries created so far http://elinux.org/index.php?title=BeagleBoard/GSoC/2016_Projects
May 05 23:32:44 <Wormo> is anybody having trouble getting the wiki login?
May 06 02:26:18 <jkridner> alexhiam: when did amragaey drop off?  if we meet tomorrow, it'd need to be early.
May 06 02:26:34 <jkridner> like 6am-7am Central would work well.
May 06 02:26:47 <jkridner> once I get into the office (in Dallas tomorrow), I'll be slammed.
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