**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 08 03:00:03 2017 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 08 09:37:26 2017 Feb 08 12:30:33 Meeting's to start now. Right ? Feb 08 12:32:55 If not, time zone conversion by g calendar sucks ! Feb 08 12:41:51 Okays so its at noon for UTC - 5 time zone . got it. Feb 08 13:02:37 zeekhuge, Meeting in 4 hours right? Feb 08 13:03:29 4 or 4:30 Feb 08 13:28:35 Hello ..ANy mentors or to be mentors online?? Feb 08 13:52:32 morning, sunshine. Feb 08 14:04:37 Abhishek_: hey ! Long time ! Feb 08 14:34:16 Hi Feb 08 14:42:25 Hello Feb 08 14:47:18 Hi zeekhuge Feb 08 15:56:50 Howdy!! Feb 08 15:56:52 anyone there? Feb 08 16:04:06 hey kiran4399 !! long time Feb 08 16:10:03 hi kiran4399 and chanakya_vc Feb 08 16:10:27 hey pmezydlo how are you? Feb 08 16:11:14 it's ok now i'm working on ideas brief Feb 08 16:36:46 chanakya_vc: are you participating this time? Feb 08 16:42:22 gm all Feb 08 16:42:30 glad to see a few new nicks. Feb 08 16:51:55 15 minute warning. We'll start 6 minutes after the hour. Feb 08 16:52:15 well, we can chat anytime, but that's when I'll start trying to drive an agenda of any sort. Feb 08 16:52:34 we have an agenda? Feb 08 16:53:24 chaos Feb 08 16:54:25 ds2 speaks the truth. Feb 08 16:54:42 naah kiran4399 . I am not applying this year. What about you? Feb 08 16:54:49 zeekhuge, ^^ Feb 08 16:55:07 * zeekhuge is back Feb 08 16:55:15 chanakya_vc: nope Feb 08 16:55:55 And like the old days :) so many nicknames here Feb 08 16:56:03 Yeah! Feb 08 16:56:21 It feels like our regular wednesday meetings :P Feb 08 16:58:06 chanakya_vc: :-D Feb 08 16:58:19 jkridner, Last year there was this project regarding a serial terminal server...is the idea open this year too? Feb 08 16:58:22 zeekhuge, chanakya_vc: why won't you be making applications as students? Feb 08 16:59:02 chanakya_vc: who was looking to mentor that? my bottleneck is finding mentors willing to put the time into students because they are excited about getting the output. Feb 08 16:59:14 (or simply seeing a student progress) Feb 08 17:00:08 it was bradfa's idea but I was willing to take the project if a student tried it Feb 08 17:01:02 there was a bit more hardware involve than was expected of a gsoc student though Feb 08 17:01:06 m_w: can you put it back up on the ideas list? Feb 08 17:01:20 sure I can do that Feb 08 17:01:39 jkridner My graduation will complete in a few months (before coding period starts) so won't be able to devote full time to gsoc. So ... Therefore Feb 08 17:01:45 jkridner, I have an intern this summer so I won't be free enough to commit for a project. But I can help out mentors if you need me on any project. In fact I would love that :P Feb 08 17:03:20 hey m_w ! Feb 08 17:03:40 howdy av500! Feb 08 17:04:14 chanakya_vc: hey. put any more work into the PRU/driver code since last summer? Feb 08 17:04:52 need to make a cape with all the uarts exposed Feb 08 17:05:09 5 DB9s maybe? Feb 08 17:05:25 Agenda: 0) Give pep-talk, 1) Identify administrators, 2) Identify possible mentors and restore mentor list on Ideas page to help with making contact, 3) Discuss ideas. Feb 08 17:05:25 I could do that part Feb 08 17:05:52 Any items to add/change on the agenda? Feb 08 17:06:05 hi all Feb 08 17:06:25 hi Feb 08 17:06:37 Agenda: -1) Encourage people to say "hi/gm all" and let folks know they are here and maybe even say why they are here. Feb 08 17:06:48 Yeah I tested it with pcf8583. In fact I am working on a project that will use both PRU's to interface a GLCD and pcf8583 to make a simple attendance system that will replace the traditional paper based attendance in schools in india Feb 08 17:06:52 m_w, ^ Feb 08 17:07:05 * jkridner hopes to be able to talk over the noise of introductions to do the pep talk. :-) Feb 08 17:07:11 gsoc mentoring, did i miss the meeting? Feb 08 17:07:14 oops Feb 08 17:07:18 rma_: just starting it. Feb 08 17:07:43 we have less than 24 hours before the organization application is due. Feb 08 17:08:09 tic toc Feb 08 17:08:13 it's down to the wire Feb 08 17:08:17 I'm pretty sure I can handle all the details there, but I want Google to see a great Ideas list when they review. That Ideas list is the big seller, IMHO. Feb 08 17:08:51 if you want to contribute, you are in the right place and I'm really happy you are hear. Feb 08 17:08:53 er, here. Feb 08 17:09:05 chanakya_vc: yeah.. Feb 08 17:09:06 I have seen many mentions of porting arduino to pru lately, is that a good topic or too difficult? Feb 08 17:09:24 please jump in at any time to say hi and let your intentions be known. Feb 08 17:09:31 @jkridner: what all do you think can be made as a good project for beaglebone blue? Feb 08 17:09:38 some times, it is nice to keep a single thread for newbs, but right now, I think chaos is welcome. Feb 08 17:09:45 q: last year gsoc student, who has BSc CS and is pursueing MSc CS would like to co-mentor the audio project, would that be ok to all? Feb 08 17:09:46 @jkridner: priority wise.. Feb 08 17:10:24 kiran4399: first, let me talk about what Blue is (https://bbb.io/blue, https://github.com/jadonk/beaglebone-blue) and make sure everyone knows that I already have a stash for use in GSoC this year. Feb 08 17:10:25 I have an idea on how to do it Feb 08 17:10:34 sketch arduino on pru Feb 08 17:11:04 I think Blue is a big step for beagle, because it means that robotics can be made really simple. Feb 08 17:11:21 I will tell more about it when we'll have more time Feb 08 17:11:27 where a lot of new people get hung up is in creating device trees or in getting some basic integration done with the PRUs. Feb 08 17:11:54 a huge advantage of Blue is that we've pre-defined most of the serial I/O ports to be a specific function, so they'll work out of the box without changing the device tree. Feb 08 17:12:02 how's the X15 relative to GSoC? Feb 08 17:12:41 ds2: very relevant to GSoC, but I think we have to make sure to align with a sufficiently qualified mentor(s) and student(s). Feb 08 17:12:46 *yawn* DT is a self created problem Feb 08 17:13:00 jkridner: I mean do we have enough units for GSoC? Feb 08 17:13:10 same student i just referred worked on X15 last year Feb 08 17:13:17 last year we were tight on X15's Feb 08 17:13:45 ds2: that is indeed the big challenge. My stash is exhausted. I've been promised a couple more boards over the next month that I'm happy to donate to GSoC. Feb 08 17:13:54 ds2: we are indeed tight again. Feb 08 17:14:04 ds2: Blue is much lower-hanging fruit. Feb 08 17:14:19 ds2: but, Blue doesn't offer as many interesting coding challenges as X15. Feb 08 17:14:43 * nerdboy will put back the sonic idea Feb 08 17:15:04 the X15 could benefit more from yet another AM335x thing Feb 08 17:15:12 ds2: If we can get 3-4 X15 students this year, I'll figure out how to get 10-15 X15s to donate. It'll cost the .org, but it can be done and I'll commit to it. Feb 08 17:15:52 In the past, I've seen many students get hung on PRU projects with just building out the infrastructure. Feb 08 17:16:25 As of the Blue, we have a pre-built integration that can be easily incrementally modified and extended, using remote-proc. Feb 08 17:16:26 blue plus prudaq plus ultrasonic sensors should be okay? Feb 08 17:17:04 The Blue PRU code currently implements 8 PWMs and 1 quadrature encoder. This is rather simple to extend. Also, even Ardupilot already has Blue integration in it, with PRU support. Feb 08 17:17:13 nerdboy: how much code would be require on top of that? Feb 08 17:17:21 *required Feb 08 17:17:31 nerdboy: PRUDAQ would need to be done with Black, Black Wireless, Green or Green Wireless. Blue does not have cape support. Feb 08 17:17:39 something like last year Feb 08 17:17:54 nerdboy: I'd be very happy to see some projects using PRUDAQ directly. Feb 08 17:17:56 no cape support? Feb 08 17:18:32 nerdboy: nope, it drops the cape interface in exchange for a number of quick-connect JST connectors with dedicated functions (SPI, UART, I2C, etc.) Feb 08 17:18:41 green wireless has the breakouts like last year? Feb 08 17:18:52 * nerdboy did not get a wireless one Feb 08 17:18:57 nerdboy: instead of targeting general prototyping, it targets robotics and doing breadboards isn't very friendly there. Feb 08 17:19:38 nerdboy: yeah, I'm happy to buy those, but if we are just connecting Grove stuff, I'd suggest Blue as we can just do simple adapter cables without the breakout board. Feb 08 17:19:39 the prudaq i have now would not fit on th green Feb 08 17:19:53 it firs on black but very tight Feb 08 17:19:59 *fits even Feb 08 17:20:25 looks like there's a couple of pins with solder drips Feb 08 17:21:19 anemometer would need the prudaq or equivalent Feb 08 17:21:36 nerdboy: oh, right. guess Black or Black Wireless then. Feb 08 17:21:36 and we know the 1206 is *not* equivalent Feb 08 17:21:45 I just got a CAN-based Anenometer. Feb 08 17:21:58 <_av500_> jkridner: hi, i'm here Feb 08 17:22:06 jkridner, I think I can help the students with the initial setup for PRU. I too faced some problems and I know exactly how to deal with them Feb 08 17:22:07 green with temp/pressure/imu would be better Feb 08 17:22:12 Airmar WeatherStation PB150 Feb 08 17:22:34 that way it has all the right stuff plus built-in compass Feb 08 17:22:51 as long as we get a magnetometer Feb 08 17:22:54 * zeekhuge says hi to _av500_ Feb 08 17:22:55 IMO - compasses would be better off on their own board Feb 08 17:23:11 too many layout issues to deal with Feb 08 17:23:13 ds2 and all: X15 supply will be fixed in the next 10-12 weeks and I will supply any student/mentor needs for them in advance of projects, so please feel enabled to use it for your ideas. Feb 08 17:23:33 it is on a breakout connected to grove i2c thingie Feb 08 17:24:22 only green and prudaq are connected directly, the rest are on cables Feb 08 17:24:30 In addition, I think Blue is going to provide a huge stage for people's code demos. With the 4-layer PCB and SIP, doing custom variants should be super-easy and with all the IMU, barometer, motor drive, battery, etc. integration, putting together a demo is super-simple. Feb 08 17:24:40 Blue also has the WiFi/Bluetooth. Feb 08 17:25:04 * jkridner would love to see the WiLink8 802.11s and Wake-on-WLAN features attacked as part of GSoC. Feb 08 17:25:38 <_av500_> rma_: did you have any concrete ideas for beagle in eurorack? Feb 08 17:25:44 I think we are getting things done and growing the audience for Beagle, so I hope everyone feels motivated. Feb 08 17:25:45 <_av500_> rma_: and hi :) Feb 08 17:25:50 <_av500_> rma_: be in berlin? Feb 08 17:25:59 getting on to Agenda item #1.... Feb 08 17:26:07 <_av500_> #1: free snacks Feb 08 17:26:10 I need two other administrators outside myself. Feb 08 17:26:17 <_av500_> hi :) Feb 08 17:26:18 _av500_: very happy to see you here. Feb 08 17:26:32 <_av500_> jkridner: I think I can handle the weekly stuff like last year Feb 08 17:26:39 _av500_: are you going to be able to participate as an admin again? Feb 08 17:26:44 super! Feb 08 17:26:47 <_av500_> yes, should work Feb 08 17:26:47 what would an admin do? Feb 08 17:26:55 <_av500_> m_w: #1 free snacks Feb 08 17:27:02 fancy Feb 08 17:27:03 * nerdboy wondering that too... Feb 08 17:27:11 <_av500_> m_w: drive mentors to drive students Feb 08 17:27:18 _av500_: +1 Feb 08 17:27:19 <_av500_> m_w: its a lot of writing begging emails Feb 08 17:27:24 can admin mentor as well? Feb 08 17:27:26 <_av500_> please fill in projects Feb 08 17:27:29 m_w: yes Feb 08 17:27:30 <_av500_> m_w: sure Feb 08 17:27:43 <_av500_> m_w: mostly as a backup for jkridner or me Feb 08 17:28:10 <_av500_> the admin angle Feb 08 17:28:13 then me or nerdboy? Feb 08 17:28:17 <_av500_> mentor you can be for sure Feb 08 17:28:21 _av500_: figuring out ways to keep people *in* this IRC room without having them run away. Feb 08 17:28:29 <_av500_> #1 free snacks Feb 08 17:28:34 <_av500_> did I mention there? Feb 08 17:28:36 _av500_: +1 Feb 08 17:28:36 <_av500_> :) Feb 08 17:28:52 <_av500_> jkridner: we give out starbucks rebate coupons here Feb 08 17:28:53 i can be a backup if you tell me when i have to do something... Feb 08 17:29:06 <_av500_> jkridner: you get the coupons Feb 08 17:29:13 m_w, nerdboy: the last couple of years, we really haven't had enough interaction between students and between students and all mentors right here. Feb 08 17:29:28 i'm usually here except when i'm not... Feb 08 17:30:02 I can help with admin Feb 08 17:30:20 jkridner: did you have a plan for that? Feb 08 17:30:24 I did a little of that last year with the spreadsheet Feb 08 17:30:31 other than badgering i mean... Feb 08 17:30:57 m_m, nerdboy: I think people show up if they feel they can get-something-done by being here. Feb 08 17:30:58 IRC bootcamp? Feb 08 17:31:20 i think we need more than a cross-hello for pre-gsoc "entry" or whatever Feb 08 17:31:24 m_w, nerdboy: I think we got rid of most of the mentors who don't IRC. Feb 08 17:31:38 nerdboy: +1, but I need it today. Feb 08 17:31:39 maybe some github artifacts to go with it Feb 08 17:32:12 staging patch :D Feb 08 17:32:42 m_w: ^^ good idea Feb 08 17:32:59 but not all projects are kernel related Feb 08 17:33:04 today? thought we had til student screening? Feb 08 17:33:13 Maybe task 2 of edyptula challenge would be a good test :P m_w ? Feb 08 17:33:26 should we make them start a cross-something (pru code?) on github with a readme and a wiki page? Feb 08 17:34:41 jkridner: what exactly do you need by today? Feb 08 17:34:44 _av500_: hi there, did you get my notices Feb 08 17:35:12 something on beagleboard wiki? Feb 08 17:36:41 probally a nice list of projects and mentors Feb 08 17:37:38 thought it was in reference to student application/entry bar... Feb 08 17:37:53 nerdboy: improvements on ideas page with what ds2 says, nice list of projects and mentors, as well as anything needed for the application, which includes queries for student applications Feb 08 17:38:13 * jkridner just reviewed the site and we can have between 2 and 5 admins, so I would like to put down myself, _av500_, nerdboy and m_w all as admins. we'll discuss responsibilities off-line. sound good? Feb 08 17:38:29 okay Feb 08 17:38:32 adding all now and you'll be able to see the application. Feb 08 17:38:41 sure Feb 08 17:38:44 I've got a bunch of old answers for several of the application items. Feb 08 17:39:01 nerdboy, m_w: please make sure I have the e-mail address you want to use via /msg Feb 08 17:39:20 but i'm not too clear on the "includes queries for student applications" part... Feb 08 17:39:31 any take on my previous q regarding mentorship? Feb 08 17:39:48 jkridner: the main gmail is better than the gentoo bug one... Feb 08 17:40:04 nerdboy: can you /msg it to me quickly so I can add? Feb 08 17:40:20 nerdboy: I think it'll make sense when you see the application. Feb 08 17:40:29 you're on the scale thread but okay... Feb 08 17:41:38 nerdboy: admin invite sent. Feb 08 17:41:46 jkridner: added the serial terminal server project Feb 08 17:41:49 m_w: can you /msg me the e-mail you'll use to register? Feb 08 17:43:12 should trim down the goal section a bit on the serial terminal project? Feb 08 17:43:40 moving on to agenda item #2: Identify possible mentors and restore mentor list on Ideas page to help with making contact Feb 08 17:44:21 _av500_, nerdboy, m_w: you should all have your invites now. Feb 08 17:45:24 all: we used to keep a mentor list at the bottom of the Ideas page. I found it useful to show that we have an engaged set of mentors and help students make contact on IRC. Feb 08 17:45:51 I will encourage IRC and mailing list interaction ONLY, ie., no direct e-mails. Feb 08 17:46:44 <_av500_> +1 Feb 08 17:47:45 Uhm .. I would like to be a mentor if I qualify ... Feb 08 17:47:47 irc first Feb 08 17:47:55 nerdboy: +1 to IRC first. Feb 08 17:48:05 ++ Feb 08 17:48:11 ++ Feb 08 17:48:37 zeekhuge: add yourself to the wiki then. there isn't any sort of filter until we get down to project selection really. Feb 08 17:49:10 Oh .. Okay Will do. Thanks. Feb 08 17:49:15 admittedly it is a bit of a political process, but it really comes down to the admins knowing you will be able to support students as well as interact well with other mentors. Feb 08 17:49:33 * jkridner looks to see if the mentor list is back on the ideas page. Feb 08 17:49:42 And what about the project I mentioned on the irc ? Feb 08 17:49:47 take this as an answer for my prev. request. Feb 08 17:49:49 nope... guess I'll add the template. :( Feb 08 17:50:17 thx Feb 08 17:50:18 all: the Ideas page is my best proxy for if you'll be engaged as a mentor. Feb 08 17:50:22 jkridner, Same here. I would also like to mentor, that is if I make the cut. Feb 08 17:50:45 if you have some hesitancy to sign up on the Ideas page as a mentor, let me know what that reservation is. Feb 08 17:51:00 chanakya-vc: feel free to add yourself. again, we'll filter out later. Feb 08 17:52:35 I just filled out the admin, info but now it won't let me click next :-/ Feb 08 17:53:04 ok folks, I started http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/Ideas#Mentors, so no excuse not to add yourself now. Feb 08 17:53:28 feel free to cut-and-paste your previous entry. Feb 08 17:53:29 _av500_: "oops" :D Feb 08 17:53:39 * jkridner must start fresh to make sure there is a "renewed Feb 08 17:53:45 er, "renewed" commitment Feb 08 17:55:00 so, right now, it seems we have only 1 mentor, me. Feb 08 17:55:18 possible hold-ups to signing up? elinux accounts? Feb 08 17:55:24 afraid of the time commitment? Feb 08 17:55:27 I'd... but lost my pw again Feb 08 17:55:54 ds2: k, I'll assume you'll get it and sign-up in the next day. Feb 08 17:56:50 if you don't see it in 6hrs, just add me Feb 08 17:57:14 i am on timeout right now with the pw thing. hoping it won't involve pestering bill :( will see Feb 08 17:57:59 You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait 5 minutes before trying again. :( Feb 08 17:58:02 av500, nerdboy, beng-nl, chanakya-vc, Fustini, hv9, jj2baile, kiran4399, m_w, mdp, mr_science, nerdboy, panto-cloud, pdp7, pmezydlo, rajula, rma_, vvu_, zeekhuge: what is holding you from signing up on the Ideas page as a mentor and having at least one Idea on the page? Feb 08 17:58:11 * jkridner will put 2 ideas on later today. Feb 08 17:58:36 archh: ^^^ Feb 08 17:58:47 hv9: ^^^ Feb 08 17:59:13 it is OK to say right now that you are only interested in being a student. Feb 08 18:00:17 Hi jkridner sir, I am interested in applying as a student Feb 08 18:00:41 i have an idea as a student. can I present it here? Feb 08 18:01:04 <_av500_> rma_: sorry was busy with org stuff Feb 08 18:01:22 right now i'm waiting for the mtg to end... Feb 08 18:01:27 jkridner, I also want to discuss an idea. I will do it after pmezydlo Feb 08 18:01:27 nerdboy, m_w, _av500_: any other thoughts on how I can encourage mentors to sign up? Feb 08 18:01:56 social media perhaps? Feb 08 18:02:02 what about last year's people? Feb 08 18:02:09 what about drew? Feb 08 18:02:18 drew isn't active on IRC, unfortunately. Feb 08 18:02:21 how is pantos these days? Feb 08 18:02:27 and Andrew? Feb 08 18:02:33 panto-cloud never seems to have bandwidth. Feb 08 18:02:35 andrew is out Feb 08 18:02:42 alexhiam? Feb 08 18:02:45 out Feb 08 18:02:52 matt? Feb 08 18:02:59 not sure Feb 08 18:03:17 he was pretty busy last year Feb 08 18:03:20 _av500_: np, you going to Berlin? Feb 08 18:03:30 mdp usually doesn't have bandwidth either.... we'll encourage him and panto-cloud to be around the IRC as much as possible. Feb 08 18:03:31 mdp: ?? Feb 08 18:03:37 no the other one...forgot his nick Feb 08 18:04:01 <_av500_> rma_: yes Feb 08 18:04:04 he's been pushing IIO drivers Feb 08 18:04:13 mranostay? Feb 08 18:04:14 <_av500_> rma_: eurorack BB for gsoc? Feb 08 18:04:18 Do we want to post on social media that we want mentors? Feb 08 18:04:22 jkridner: what about all those yocto channels? Feb 08 18:04:22 <_av500_> rma_: and/or your cape? Feb 08 18:04:29 _av500_, m_w, nerdboy: please follow up on recruiting ideas. Christi is drafting an e-mail to previous participants and I'll send out some additional Twitter/Facebook calls for mentors. Feb 08 18:04:37 <_av500_> ok Feb 08 18:04:41 nerdboy: you mean #yocto? Feb 08 18:04:42 Marek Vasut maybe? Feb 08 18:04:49 yeah...mranostay Feb 08 18:04:55 <_av500_> jkridner: regardsless of mentors, we need the ideas page today Feb 08 18:04:57 <_av500_> tomorow Feb 08 18:05:00 and #oe and #poky too Feb 08 18:05:06 mranostay is out Feb 08 18:05:25 well I assume so Feb 08 18:05:52 i can at least redo/update the satellite/anemometer ones Feb 08 18:06:16 <_av500_> +1 Feb 08 18:06:20 ds2 talking about forevrska? Feb 08 18:06:36 terminal server is taken, i might be able to pull something out of my ass... Feb 08 18:06:41 maybe Feb 08 18:07:01 nerdboy: you can do it Feb 08 18:08:36 the terminal server may also benefit from measurement apperatus like the ACME cape Feb 08 18:08:49 for board farms Feb 08 18:09:21 _av500_: agreed. Feb 08 18:09:27 http://baylibre.com/acme/ Feb 08 18:09:31 pmezydlo: did you want to start talking about your idea? Feb 08 18:09:42 I plan to work on BeagleLogic this summer - forward port it to the latest kernel and nice packaging for the BeagleBone images Feb 08 18:09:58 yes I can Feb 08 18:10:23 I am interested in Arduino sketch for pru project Feb 08 18:10:54 Abhishek_: great! would love to see 'apt-get install beaglelogic'. Even better is in upstream Debian. Feb 08 18:10:57 I have prepared a short brief with description of main goals Feb 08 18:11:10 pmezydlo: I'd love to see that. Feb 08 18:11:25 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xx4i1GKbZOFQK-7IjUnStGeYrxfZZH0GjpgR-lUiVCs/edit?usp=sharing Feb 08 18:11:29 I can help with that project Feb 08 18:11:41 pmezydlo: I think it is very doable, but we keep running into folks not able to get the integration clean. Feb 08 18:11:58 please have a look Feb 08 18:13:23 <_av500_> jkridner: have to go, will be back here later Feb 08 18:13:23 doing both the IDE integration as well as the target integration seems like a lot. Feb 08 18:13:31 I'd be looking for target integration first. Feb 08 18:13:48 _av500_: k, please check up on application and Ideas page as much as possible (and reach out to possible mentors) Feb 08 18:14:01 m_w: you might want to be careful on testing of the terminal server project Feb 08 18:14:16 I see a looming pile of dead boards Feb 08 18:14:28 ds2: how so? Feb 08 18:14:40 pmezydlo: the Energia fork might be easier to integrate in short term. Feb 08 18:14:41 m_w: only the console UART has power sequencing protection Feb 08 18:15:09 ah Feb 08 18:15:36 Arduino seems better to me. The project is yet to be discussed Feb 08 18:16:06 jkridner: "We are looking for experienced individuals who are interested in acting as student mentors for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2017. Please check out our wiki page for details." Feb 08 18:16:09 good ? Feb 08 18:16:10 pmezydlo: you only cover the idea/benefit, not the specifics of what it would take to get it done. Feb 08 18:16:11 i would implement operating on gpio first Feb 08 18:16:25 jkridner, pmezydlo: there was some work done in a past GSoC with Energia...might have been with the A8 side Feb 08 18:16:47 drewf: yeah... can http://bbb.io/gsoc be our go-to page? can we add some language there to clear up the steps and point to the wiki? Feb 08 18:17:00 drewf: thanks for hopping on, btw. Feb 08 18:18:59 it's hard to determine the project's difficulty, it can be further developed after GSoC (adding libraries etc) Feb 08 18:19:07 all: I'm needing to step away, but hopefully everyone is clear on actions. continued discussion of ideas is HIGHLY encourage (students, just speak up!) Feb 08 18:19:16 now I finally know what is Energia Feb 08 18:19:19 pmezydlo: previous attempts have already been made. Feb 08 18:19:37 simmilar to Arduino this is fine Feb 08 18:19:45 think there was some colab with the 430 folks Feb 08 18:19:50 (on Energia) Feb 08 18:19:51 awesome, later all... Feb 08 18:20:15 what do you mean? what was the problem? Feb 08 18:20:44 I examined parser code and it wasn't difficult Feb 08 18:21:29 don't recall a problem...just want to make sure there isn't a reinventing the wheel Feb 08 18:22:25 i plan to add PRU, not ARM processor Feb 08 18:24:15 yes but having them play together would be nice rather then having the users figure it all out Feb 08 18:25:00 prehaps some interlock to update the muxes and avoid collisions with the kernel Feb 08 18:26:22 yes it might be problematic Feb 08 18:26:39 https://github.com/meanbot/octopress-energia is A8 userspace Feb 08 18:27:09 There was a John Brown University project I'm looking for. on PRU. using StarterWare. Feb 08 18:29:53 maybe just work on the wiring support first Feb 08 18:30:29 * jkridner found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPSqb15twY4 Feb 08 18:31:03 "Arduino language" Feb 08 18:32:11 pmezydlo: https://github.com/lucas-ti/PRdUino Feb 08 18:32:18 i see that this subject has been mentioned many times Feb 08 18:32:19 found in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/beagle-gsoc/beagle-gsoc.20140905.txt Feb 08 18:35:37 I searched a lot in this subject, apparently not deeply enough Feb 08 18:37:23 any other good ideas out there? Feb 08 18:38:46 I have some ideas, e.g. continuing work on SPI slave but I dont know this is a good idea Feb 08 18:39:36 m_w, Some of my seniors talked about pfsense based router /firewall on the BBB Feb 08 18:40:43 chanakya-vc: too little ethernet ports Feb 08 18:40:49 anything in the IoT space? Feb 08 18:41:27 For IOT wouldn't green be better m_w ? Feb 08 18:41:35 Ideas can't be added after today? Feb 08 18:41:45 I mean the doc cannot be edited? Feb 08 18:41:56 not necessarily Feb 08 18:42:34 not necessarily Feb 08 18:43:40 m_w, I will talk to all my seniors about ideas in the IOT space. I am sure that I can get a few ideas. Feb 08 18:44:22 One of my profs is like a specialist in this field. Give me some time Feb 08 18:45:13 * anujdeshpande is late ! Feb 08 18:46:04 hmi projects? Feb 08 18:55:45 any thing FPGA related? Feb 08 18:57:54 ICE40 programmer driver/tools Feb 08 18:58:09 IoT would be nice but lots of stuff depend on HW Feb 08 18:58:22 I don't have project idea, but FPGA is always good Feb 08 18:59:13 okay I will create a FPGA project idea Feb 08 19:00:37 FPGA PRU interface might be good for a SDR project Feb 08 19:00:44 be happy to help with that Feb 08 19:00:58 FPGAs are my jam Feb 08 19:01:19 well, yes but how about one with opentools? Feb 08 19:01:34 m_w, Should I list myself on the elinux page? Feb 08 19:01:50 I don't want to waste time downloading webpack and such and then only to find out the vendor is dropping it from the tool or refuses to activate the free license Feb 08 19:01:52 m_w: I mine too, Feb 08 19:02:28 nice thing about the ICE40's is the open tool. might be smaller but at least you don't risk loosing your work Feb 08 19:02:53 FPGA is unfortunately still not very popular Feb 08 19:02:53 But I don't have an idea to add right now :( Feb 08 19:03:30 icestrom is great as it can be used on embedded targets Feb 08 19:03:39 yep. Feb 08 19:03:40 I will base the project around it Feb 08 19:03:43 self modifying HW }:-) Feb 08 19:03:48 exactly Feb 08 19:04:03 I wish icestorm wsa around when I was in school Feb 08 19:04:09 *was Feb 08 19:04:10 i been meaning to put together a devboard with a bunch of those and other programmable stuff scattered around an AM335x system Feb 08 19:04:31 m_w: when was that? the main free tools for me was palasm Feb 08 19:04:57 programmable analog and digital should make for a nice try an idea out setup Feb 08 19:06:17 ds2: when I was the TA for the FPGA class and had ideas for my PhD before I withdrew Feb 08 19:06:40 ABD :-/ Feb 08 19:07:16 we can collaborate on the hardware side to provide a platform Feb 08 19:07:43 I have a start on ice40 cape Feb 08 19:07:59 m_w: for GSoC, there is only one thing that makes sense - the dev board. low cost. Feb 08 19:08:43 was thinking of something more general... spinning my wheels trying to decide between making it a setup that uses the VKS or a BBB setup Feb 08 19:09:41 okay Feb 08 19:10:28 I have this guy: http://www.latticesemi.com/en/Products/DevelopmentBoardsAndKits/iCE40HX8KBreakoutBoard.aspx Feb 08 19:10:56 I used it last year to test for some project Feb 08 19:11:05 *projects Feb 08 19:11:20 do you want to program ice40 from BBB or external programmer? Feb 08 19:11:26 m_w: ^^ Feb 08 19:11:40 from BBB Feb 08 19:11:46 what about the icestick? Feb 08 19:11:57 this is $42,the icestick should be around $20ish Feb 08 19:12:00 icestick is cool Feb 08 19:12:26 fine, this is great project, Feb 08 19:12:39 wonder if it is against the rules to reward references to skynet ;) Feb 08 19:13:16 I think just getting the tools to compile on the BBB is not much of a project Feb 08 19:13:20 maybe post GSoC, integrate this with Machinekit to drive a PnP/3D printer/CNC Feb 08 19:13:44 m_w: I was thinking more of the drivers to download the bitstream Feb 08 19:14:16 there is nothing special needed for that since it is USB Feb 08 19:14:25 no no Feb 08 19:14:42 break the USB and directly control it from the Beagle Feb 08 19:14:48 so it can be reused with the bare chips Feb 08 19:14:57 the icestick is just a cheap way to get the chip broken out Feb 08 19:15:18 if cutting it is too much work, then the breakout board is better Feb 08 19:15:32 well there is FPGA manager support for ICE40 in the kernel already as well Feb 08 19:15:48 upstreamed? Feb 08 19:16:01 I saw it on the mailinglist Feb 08 19:16:03 oh Feb 08 19:16:05 lemme see if it landed Feb 08 19:16:10 does it use the onboard SPI or? Feb 08 19:17:52 it was SPI based driver Feb 08 19:17:59 did not land yet Feb 08 19:18:10 oh n/m then. nix the idea Feb 08 19:18:20 https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/10/24/931 Feb 08 19:18:31 it would be a freebee Feb 08 19:19:30 FPGA manager is still pretty new and relies on dt overlays I think Feb 08 19:19:37 :-/ Feb 08 19:20:09 think we are venturing into areas that might have less technical considerations. Feb 08 19:20:45 hmmm Feb 08 19:36:38 I have to go, Bye, Thanks for meeting Feb 08 19:41:22 mdp: you gonna mentor this year? Feb 08 19:57:39 * nerdboy 's science-y projects are up Feb 08 19:57:55 almost time for another mtg... Feb 08 23:01:11 m_w: This is the final list of projects. Project-based FPGA will not be? Feb 08 23:03:54 not it is not the final list Feb 08 23:04:11 we just need a decent list for the application process Feb 08 23:04:37 That's great Feb 08 23:05:06 I am working so I haven't had the time to think about the project enough yet Feb 08 23:06:19 I understand, cool if there was something FPGA and linux kernel Feb 08 23:07:23 unfortunately lack of mentors Feb 08 23:09:41 m_w: lattice ICE40 this is good board, I think I need to buy it Feb 08 23:11:50 I like the open source toolchain more than the hardware Feb 08 23:11:58