**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 02 02:59:58 2012 Feb 02 06:58:13 hello Feb 02 07:25:24 is there anybody in there? just nod if you can hear me. Feb 02 07:35:14 tasslehoffwrk: nobody had his morning coffee/tea yet Feb 02 07:50:30 damir__: I have. I just thought a little Pink Floyd was a nice followup to mspro's hello, but maybe he had already left Feb 02 07:50:56 now that I had to explain my joke it doesn't seem so good ;) Feb 02 07:53:27 Just a little pinprick. Feb 02 09:34:14 my brave attempts at setting the panel_config (u-boot) to the register values set in dispc.c (kernel) got me out of range. anything else I should have changed? Feb 02 09:34:26 finnaly i found a way to load module at startup: Feb 02 09:34:32 how Feb 02 09:34:56 with help of some research and some luck,, actually big luck :)) Feb 02 09:35:10 ??? Feb 02 09:35:47 first i added g_ether.conf to /etc/modules-load.d/ Feb 02 09:36:08 which has "g_ether" as content Feb 02 09:37:41 can I just skip the venc-setup if I'm only gonna use digital? Feb 02 09:39:53 tasslehoffwrk: sure Feb 02 09:39:58 why would you setup vecn? Feb 02 09:41:34 av500: it's leftovers in u-boot, since I based my work on the beaglefiles. Feb 02 09:46:49 then it was ok.. The module g_ether was loaded but module doesnt see devices which are connected to usb hub Feb 02 09:47:32 hum. kinda !logical that omap3_dss_venc_config sets height/width for digital out? Feb 02 09:48:52 then i tried to cancel X11, i erase /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service with "rm /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service" Feb 02 09:49:06 then "systemctl daemon-reload" Feb 02 09:49:31 then "systemctl stop getty@tty1.service" Feb 02 09:49:58 x11 was not canceled but g_ether can now see usb devices.. :) Feb 02 09:55:17 btw if you know how to make X11 to not to load, pls tell me.. Now i used "mv /etc/X11 /home" so it cant find X11 but it is not healty way as i think.. Feb 02 09:56:46 parana: that's just the configuration Feb 02 09:57:13 soo.. what to do? Feb 02 09:58:01 is there /etc/init.d/[gdm | kdm | *dm] Feb 02 09:58:03 ? Feb 02 09:58:27 i.e. which distro? Feb 02 09:58:51 angstrom 3.0.14+ Feb 02 09:58:57 01.2012 Feb 02 09:59:48 there is gdm Feb 02 09:59:57 /etc/init.d/gdm Feb 02 10:01:54 "if grep -wqs text /proc/cmdline; " Feb 02 10:02:08 how can i make this if true? Feb 02 10:02:22 ousado: ^ Feb 02 10:08:06 parana: stop looking at /etc/init.d, that's for sysvinit Feb 02 10:08:13 parana: systemctl disable gdm.service Feb 02 10:08:25 but it didnt Feb 02 10:08:28 parana: go read up on systemd, it's available on the google Feb 02 10:09:19 koen: i know, i wanted to disable gdm. But instead it didnt, and it made my g_ether to work Feb 02 10:12:04 in the above you just disable a getty, not X11 Feb 02 10:13:39 koen: but disabling getty solved, is it harmfull to disable gettys? Feb 02 10:17:58 Goodmorning Feb 02 10:34:29 tasslehoffwrk: beware DIGITAL = VENC Feb 02 10:34:43 I have a question that might one of you like to answer! Iam developing an application that makes use of the ISP for image sensor grabbing, and the network adapter to send packets on a BeagleBoard XM. The kernel that i use is the validation kernel 2.6.32. Now iam having serieus issues with this combination, because it seems like the USB system crashes! and so no network traffic is possible anymore! I've tackled this problem with Zippy2 Feb 02 10:35:00 but i would rather apply a patch to the 2.6.32 kernel so that i can make use of the USB network card Feb 02 10:35:27 i see on beagleboard.org that there is a bug in the 2.6.32 validation kernel that affects the usb interrupt Feb 02 10:36:21 av500: yeah. I noticed that lcd_size is what I really want. Feb 02 10:37:08 parana: no idea then - the website is way too slow to look things up - but it seems to have an online tool for building a base system without X11 Feb 02 11:12:13 the configuration says that if there is a word "text" in /proc/cmdline it will disable x11. But cant edit /proc/cmdline even if "whoami = root" and "chmod a+x ." Feb 02 11:13:27 :) Feb 02 11:13:40 parana: you should read a book about linux Feb 02 11:14:22 av500: actually i think so :) Feb 02 11:14:38 make haste then Feb 02 11:16:17 i will Feb 02 13:06:32 * etheretic muses it's time to introduce the DOPA act Feb 02 13:12:15 (Depose Obnoxious Politicians Act) Feb 02 13:14:21 Dispose-of Feb 02 13:15:18 verb - depose, force out -- (force to leave (an office)) Feb 02 13:19:26 Phrasal Verb: dispose of ... 3. To get rid of; throw out.... Feb 02 13:21:41 you get the gist of it. act's waaay overdue. Feb 02 13:27:05 the "dispose of politicians act" is more thorough Feb 02 13:31:08 gunpowder, treason and plot... Feb 02 13:34:22 * mru looks forward to 5th of november Feb 02 13:35:48 kaboooooooom Feb 02 13:44:53 hey! Feb 02 14:02:14 koen : i am seeking for videomixer2 element (in gstreamer) but i found "gst-plugin-videomixer" is it videomixer or videomixer2 ? Feb 02 14:02:43 maybe ask in #gst Feb 02 14:04:00 nope normally these elemnts are completely in same package like base plug-in Feb 02 14:04:08 it is special case i think Feb 02 14:04:30 but i also think this package intentds both Feb 02 14:04:31 I dont think koen spends time to make special cases for gst Feb 02 14:05:23 av500: then ok i will ask in #gst Feb 02 14:08:09 juhsis: the recipes for building gst in angstrom are also public Feb 02 14:08:49 in openembedded right Feb 02 14:39:42 Any PRU users in here? Feb 02 14:46:18 I'll ask the sitara forums, but usually I get 0 answer there hrm Feb 02 14:46:22 maybe my questions are too boring Feb 02 15:31:26 LetoThe2nd: are you attening embedded world at the end of the month? Feb 02 15:32:35 koen: what did I say about conferences with "world" in their names? Feb 02 15:36:01 100000 sqm. of quantum chaos... Feb 02 15:37:21 koen: are you attending? Feb 02 15:37:48 mru: arm has NX stuff? Feb 02 15:38:16 sure Feb 02 15:38:25 I think intel was the last to add it Feb 02 15:38:53 if you're talking about non-executable mmu mappings Feb 02 15:39:22 looking athttp://beagleboard.org/hardware it's hard to tell if the beagleboard can take a daughterboard with for instance GPS/AIS chips/antennae on it. Feb 02 15:45:10 and maybe a DAC chip for hi-fi audio out :D Feb 02 15:51:56 koen: certainly Feb 02 15:53:07 koen: will you be to nuremberg too? Feb 02 15:56:10 LetoThe2nd: looks like it Feb 02 15:56:49 koen: finally presenting fish/mosquito/bumblebee/hornetboard? Feb 02 15:57:29 ooo( BBB = BumblebeeBoard :) ) Feb 02 16:00:05 koen: did TI threaten to put an empty booth again? Feb 02 16:02:29 av500: what's wrong with empty booths? Feb 02 16:02:36 LetoThe2nd: boring old bone Feb 02 16:03:11 hm, whats this channels PG rating.. um, we're un-oped anyway. Feb 02 16:03:38 LetoThe2nd: feel free to use empty booth for whatever you want Feb 02 16:03:42 +s Feb 02 16:03:58 so am i the first one with the idea we should release somped pimped version of the bone and call it BeagleBoneR ? Feb 02 16:04:15 R=reduce blanking? Feb 02 16:04:48 for example. Feb 02 16:15:34 mru: \o/ for fixing ac3 Feb 02 16:23:03 ac3? Feb 02 16:23:55 an audio codec Feb 02 16:38:21 I total new to the Bone board... and I just got a fresh ubuntu install... What do I need more to start dev. my own kernels ? (any prerequest installs on ubuntu..like java , g++ ???) Feb 02 16:39:12 you dont need java nor g++ to compile a kernel Feb 02 16:39:15 I can't get the programs on the miniSD to run (the START_HERE stuff) Feb 02 16:40:07 benter_dk: you're using the wrong sd card Feb 02 16:40:31 the wrong card ? Feb 02 16:40:35 benter_dk: or rather: if you insist on using that START_HERE one, you need to go to TI E2E for support, not here Feb 02 16:41:26 koen: you are using something else for dev. stuff for beaglebone ? Feb 02 16:41:39 not the START_HERE stuff ? Feb 02 16:41:40 benter_dk: I use the official beaglebone stuff Feb 02 16:41:50 which is NOT the start_here stuff Feb 02 16:41:57 ok... Feb 02 16:41:59 what is the START_HERE stuff? Feb 02 16:42:36 on one of the cards there is a "START_HERE" partion Feb 02 16:42:43 av500: the sd card TI but in the first 1500 beaglebone boxes Feb 02 16:42:51 av500: it has eclipse and stuff Feb 02 16:43:18 so eclips is a better way to start coding for the BONE board Feb 02 16:43:19 ? Feb 02 16:43:23 no Feb 02 16:43:32 koen: eclipse *on* the bone? Feb 02 16:43:45 17:40 < koen> benter_dk: or rather: if you insist on using that START_HERE one, you need to go to TI E2E for support, not here Feb 02 16:44:18 so use the card that was in the sd slot, not the one in the translucent box Feb 02 16:44:31 I get it... I only know the START_HERE .. its my first board! Feb 02 16:44:42 koen: ah, that why there are 2 cards Feb 02 16:44:46 benter_dk: there was only one card in the box? Feb 02 16:44:50 linux SDK v5.03 Feb 02 16:44:58 av500: right Feb 02 16:45:07 one onn the board and one in the box Feb 02 16:45:13 yes Feb 02 16:45:31 * av500 unboxes Feb 02 16:45:33 linux SDK and one with a boot on Feb 02 16:45:51 av500: heavy-weight unboxing? Feb 02 16:46:55 benter_dk: so get rid of the linux SDK one and use the other one Feb 02 16:47:05 what IDE and compiler are better ? (lets say.. if don't use the START_HERE) Feb 02 16:47:28 the official card comes with instructions Feb 02 16:47:57 rule #54: you have dozens of microSD adapters, except when you need one.... Feb 02 16:48:56 oki.. I will study the instructions then.. and maybe get back to you some other time ;-) Feb 02 16:49:49 the offcial is the one in the board then I unpacked it Feb 02 16:50:00 I ghess Feb 02 16:58:15 * xxiao is pulling hairs for ixgbe 10G issues, incoming 10G, outgoing 1G, all tuning failed Feb 02 16:59:07 and the $3000 HP server failed with hardware issues, while i never saw similar issues with my $500 desktop in years Feb 02 16:59:54 people are too quick to draw conclusions from a sample size of one Feb 02 17:08:06 are there any FTDI drivers for the ARM? or setup through kernel config?.... its not exactly a beagleboard but the solution might be similar... Feb 02 17:10:38 tnx... bye! Feb 02 17:10:55 arcanescu: linux is linux Feb 02 17:11:03 arcanescu: if there is one for linux, which there is, then it should apply to arm/ppc etc Feb 02 17:11:10 arcanescu: ftdi serial has been mainline for years... go figure :) Feb 02 17:11:55 thanks... hmmm... Feb 02 18:21:43 koen: is strike still a problem in brussels for this weekend? or business as usual again? Feb 02 18:30:23 * etheretic tsks at the use of the "B" word (there might be children here) Feb 02 18:32:23 business? brussels? Feb 02 18:33:04 ever hear children talk when they think adults aren't around? Feb 02 18:33:06 in Belgium, man. Feb 02 18:33:45 jay6981: yeah. Feb 02 18:33:46 * LetoThe2nd didn't get the joke. nevermind. Feb 02 18:34:03 LetoThe2nd: hhgttg. Feb 02 18:34:49 one of the worst swear-words imaginable. Feb 02 18:37:00 "But though even words like “juju-flop,” “swut,” and “turlingdrome” are now perfectly acceptable in common usage, there is one word that is still beyond the pale. The concept it embodies is so revolting that the publication or broadcast of the word is utterly forbidden in all parts of the galaxy except one - where they don’t know what it means. That word is “Belgium” and it is only ever used by loose-tongued peop Feb 02 18:37:13 LetoThe2nd: no idea on that Feb 02 18:37:50 koen: kay, just thought you might know more because you g+ed it Feb 02 18:42:34 the newspapers only said "belgium strikes" Feb 02 18:42:48 I hadn't seen any "belgium back to work" Feb 02 18:43:16 hrhrhr Feb 02 18:43:36 LetoThe2nd: strike was just on monday Feb 02 18:44:21 jannau: ah kay, thanks. Feb 02 18:45:00 LetoThe2nd: so you're also coming? beer event too? Feb 02 18:45:19 dm8tbr: sure Feb 02 18:45:42 * dm8tbr is landing about 1830 so won't make it for the first round Feb 02 18:46:02 ah kay... i'll already be there by 12:00 or such. Feb 02 18:46:28 around that time I'll be at WRO airport, boarding for WAW... Feb 02 18:46:50 hehe Feb 02 18:47:15 oh well... Feb 02 18:47:48 i decided to come a bit early so can at least see an hour or two of the city. Feb 02 18:53:40 *sigh* never managed that Feb 02 18:54:11 * mru did a couple of years ago Feb 02 18:54:26 found some of brussels' finest: http://hardwarebug.org/files/img_3085.jpg Feb 02 18:57:13 thats my summer home :) Feb 02 18:57:22 haha Feb 02 18:57:35 djlewis: doens't that feature more pizza cartons? Feb 02 18:57:57 you spotted my empties :) Feb 02 19:02:38 * djlewis is having a couple left over slices of pizza now Feb 02 19:27:50 considering im trying to use a usb : logger: mount: mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist this isnt good is it? Feb 02 19:29:16 arcanescu: there is no such thing as /proc/bus... Feb 02 19:29:50 arcanescu: plus, if its a serial adapter, it will hopefully just show up as /dev/ttyUSBx - check dmesg after connecting for details. Feb 02 19:30:40 yes it is a serial adapted FTDI i enabled support for it in the kernel Feb 02 19:30:58 ls/dev doesnt show any ttyUSB Feb 02 19:31:13 if i connect it on my pc I can see ttyUSB so.... something wrong there Feb 02 19:32:13 LettoThe2nd: on dmesg i get: klogctl: Function not implemented .... disabled kernel debug? Feb 02 19:32:52 arcanescu: no idea, check if you have the modules / kconfig for usb serial and ftdi set in the kernel you use. Feb 02 19:34:00 LettoThe2nd its only this: CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_FTDI_SIO=y Feb 02 19:34:09 and ive set it Feb 02 19:35:40 hm, no idea then from top of my head. i just know that the ftdi serial driver works on arm, as i've already used it :) Feb 02 19:37:23 which board did you use it on? Feb 02 19:37:27 if you can recall Feb 02 19:39:13 arcanescu: i know precisely, it was an RSO EWS (board file see: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-at91/board-rsi-ews.c;h=af0750fafa29cd5ba5dc712ad4e3348f72ee8cb8;hb=HEAD ) Feb 02 19:40:08 aha... Feb 02 19:40:13 i might need some changes in my board file Feb 02 19:42:06 for a serial adapter conencter over usb, you hopefully don't need to. just make sure your usb controller is set up correctly and all necessary drivers are in place. Feb 02 19:43:39 how can i check if the driver is installed in the first place? Feb 02 19:43:54 some cat /proc magic? Feb 02 19:44:09 read your kernel config.... Feb 02 19:44:59 listen to the force.... trust in the force .... Feb 02 19:45:06 on the host machine well... it is there so i was asking Feb 02 19:45:08 yes the force Feb 02 19:48:26 if it's a mod that needs to be loaded use lsmod Feb 02 20:05:31 Can I use the "arm-cortex_a8-linux-gnueabi" target on the ct-ng cross-tool compiler thingy to compile for the beagleboard? I am having trouble running u-boot. Feb 02 20:06:23 hmm, is there wlan available everywhere at fosdem? Feb 02 20:07:49 This is the last line on serial output: Loading u-boot.bin from mmc Feb 02 20:15:57 <_av500_> aholler: yes Feb 02 20:16:57 good. so I will be connected through my n900. ;) Feb 02 20:17:16 <_av500_> unless the weichmacher leave it Feb 02 20:17:46 <_av500_> dm8tbr: which reminds me Feb 02 20:18:32 I've decided to only bring the n900 with me, nothing else. I don't think I will need a laptop. Feb 02 20:20:18 _av500_: ? Feb 02 20:20:26 so I will find the time to get warm with that thingy, just have since a month and haven't had the time to use it ;) Feb 02 20:22:37 (besides adding a card with a hardfloat-gentoo from which I can boot) ;) Feb 02 20:24:54 laptops are overkill Feb 02 20:25:02 the n900 works great on trips Feb 02 20:26:05 thought that too. I like it, it offers me a linux in a box ;) Feb 02 20:26:38 Hi all, can anybody tell me why my beaglebone running oneiric ubuntu is ignoring anything on the usb host port? I'm running on DC power. Feb 02 20:26:39 only thing I wish was the N900 having a larger battery Feb 02 20:27:00 And my hardfloat-gentoo buildon a beagleboard booted almost out of the box Feb 02 20:27:16 * mru has linux in an altoids tin, courtesy of TI Feb 02 20:27:51 mru: is it running MiNT? Feb 02 20:28:00 hrhrhr Feb 02 20:28:13 as charge I will take a dockstar ;) Feb 02 20:28:20 +r Feb 02 20:28:28 MiNT is now TOS? Feb 02 20:28:35 I haven't had time to customise it yet actually Feb 02 20:28:43 dockstar? Feb 02 20:28:47 mru: we should come up with a booth and call it BeagleSkeleton. Feb 02 20:29:00 ds2: armv5-thingy from seagate Feb 02 20:29:13 http://ahsoftware/dockstar/ Feb 02 20:29:18 http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/ Feb 02 20:29:21 aholler: Oh, using it as a USB charger? Feb 02 20:29:30 LetoThe2nd: how many do you have? Feb 02 20:29:34 exactly, and wlan-ap to play ;) Feb 02 20:29:49 or whatever I have in mind ;) Feb 02 20:29:49 prices was getting rediculous on that Feb 02 20:30:00 aholler: does it work in AP mode? Feb 02 20:30:02 mru: only one :( Feb 02 20:30:13 I have 2 Feb 02 20:30:17 still not much of a skeleton Feb 02 20:30:21 ds2: yes, using a usb-dongle from tp-link Feb 02 20:30:29 maybe av500 and koen will join in? Feb 02 20:30:30 LetoThe2nd: did you see my cape? Feb 02 20:30:42 mru: i did. Feb 02 20:30:51 aholler: Oh... :( I wanted a pocket sized battery powered AP for travel but didn't want to go dongle hunting Feb 02 20:31:08 ds2: you can use beagle instead Feb 02 20:31:26 works too. but I like the dockstar because of the gbit-eth Feb 02 20:31:32 aholler: don't want to go dongle hunting Feb 02 20:31:43 than use a panda ;) Feb 02 20:31:51 HA HA HA Feb 02 20:31:59 not in the habit of lugging car batteries around :P Feb 02 20:32:25 trying to mod this thing from ASUS. right size but no time to redo the firmware Feb 02 20:33:11 hmm, ok. I can't use the dockstar with a battery too (it needs 12v), but I have the n900 for using when power isn't available. Feb 02 20:33:40 But I assume there are some places with power at fosdem ;) Feb 02 20:33:49 get a bike and generator ;) Feb 02 20:34:38 I could try to mod a flashlight which has crank and a generator ;) Feb 02 20:35:02 don't know how much power that offers ;) Feb 02 20:43:12 carry a tabletop solar panel and hope the lights give enough energy Feb 02 20:43:44 could be enough for a beagle-classic Feb 02 20:44:25 if europe is sunny enough... Feb 02 20:44:48 at least with one of the old kernels. haven't tried if the bb-classic boots with actual kernel when powered through usb only Feb 02 20:45:47 and everything newer than bb-classic seems to need more power than the max. available 500mA Feb 02 20:46:16 ds2: both for the n900 and the n950 the solution is: pile of batteries in your pocket/backpack Feb 02 20:46:56 dm8tbr: done that ;) carry around too many USB batteries Feb 02 20:46:58 * dm8tbr goes through several in one day on business trips, especially when using mobile-data plus ad-hoc wifi Feb 02 20:47:11 Doesn't it have enough power for one day? Never tried it, but without wlan and such, my n900 lives almost a week. Feb 02 20:47:32 some of us do all sorts of stuf on there Feb 02 20:47:48 BT audio + 3G data + IM accounts + email + ..... Feb 02 20:48:30 yes, but Iwould be happy if I can use it just one day with wlan without the need for power. I hope that happens Feb 02 20:49:48 cd /lib/modules Feb 02 20:49:49 uups Feb 02 20:50:46 forcing 2.5G helps a lot Feb 02 20:51:14 on our rev C3-based board we struggle with i2c. we sometimes lose a byte. seems more frequent when a lot of other stuff (not i2c-related) happens. Feb 02 20:52:34 anyone recall or know of any i2c bugs in hardware or software (2.6.39)? Feb 02 20:53:52 tasslehoff: 400k, 100k? Feb 02 20:54:41 koen: 400k on bus 2 Feb 02 20:55:48 does it happen with 100k as well? Feb 02 20:56:42 koen: BTW, care to spill a sentence on what that mysterious R219 on then bone breaks? Feb 02 20:57:12 LetoThe2nd: it's all over the mailinglist :) Feb 02 20:57:29 LetoThe2nd: short version: it's needed to make the 100/10mbit led show the correct speed Feb 02 20:57:39 koen: I'm not the main guy investigating (joining the hunt tomorrow), but I suspect they/we haven't tried Feb 02 20:57:44 LetoThe2nd: but the side effect it that is upsets the phy Feb 02 20:57:50 mailinglists... my non-favorite means of communication. Feb 02 20:58:25 * LetoThe2nd notes: am355x phy gets pissed by r219, Feb 02 20:58:35 Are there any wireless devices confirmed working on BBxM? Feb 02 20:58:37 ok, thats a good explanation. Feb 02 20:59:07 mouser: everything the kernel has drivers for Feb 02 20:59:37 LetoThe2nd: dumpng the phy registers shows no difference Feb 02 20:59:51 LetoThe2nd: we're spinning an A5 now with R219 removed Feb 02 20:59:56 aholler: I don't know anywhere near enough about Linux to understand that :-\ Feb 02 21:00:36 mouser: every dongle which works a pc-linux should work with the beagle too Feb 02 21:00:54 koen: hehe Feb 02 21:01:06 mouser: get friend with linux on a pc first, before trying to do that with a beagle Feb 02 21:01:08 i ran into some trouble with the stock angstrom wpasupplicant about a year ago or so Feb 02 21:01:22 koen: heard about similar issues before? Feb 02 21:01:44 mouser: it's much easier and won't waste that much time Feb 02 21:01:48 I forgot to mention I'm using Angstrom. I hav eone that works under ubuntu. But on the beaglebone it does not seem to work. I've tried compiling the drivers from their website but the make command won't work Feb 02 21:01:57 so your mileage on dongles may vary depending on the security of the router Feb 02 21:01:58 tasslehoff: years ago Feb 02 21:03:44 koen: rev. C3 years ago? :) Feb 02 21:04:01 koen: sure it isn't pulling too much power or using the wrong rails? Feb 02 21:04:13 tasslehoff: sort of, some i2c devices couldn't handle 400k Feb 02 21:04:22 aholler: So basically any of these? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB Feb 02 21:06:00 A dongle that does both WiFi and BT would be nice. If they do not interfere with each other, being so close. Feb 02 21:06:30 mouser: if you have one which works with ubuntu, it should work with angstrom too. maybe someone could help you if you would mention what dongle you are trying to use Feb 02 21:07:42 koen: the device in Q claims to support speeds up to 400k, but maybe it doesn't always. will try lowering it. thx for the info. Feb 02 21:09:02 I am using this one at the moment: http://inlandproduct.com/prominiusbtowifidongle.aspx Feb 02 21:09:54 <_av500_> dm8tbr: well, *my* n950 Feb 02 21:10:24 _av500_: haven't heard from it... probably still in a nokLa warehouse Feb 02 21:10:29 oh, ah nokia-dev ;) Feb 02 21:11:14 <_av500_> aholler: I dont dev, I put stuff on flickr Feb 02 21:11:38 must have been enough for nokia if you got a n950 ;) Feb 02 21:12:21 fosdem anyone? Feb 02 21:12:45 <_av500_> jacekowski: of course Feb 02 21:13:16 Is there any more info I can provide that would be of benefit? Feb 02 21:13:24 <_av500_> your pin number Feb 02 21:13:29 does bb have a stand this year? Feb 02 21:13:43 <_av500_> nope Feb 02 21:13:48 mouser: lsusb on ubuntu should help to identify which module you have to use Feb 02 21:16:37 mouser, if that really is a realtek 8188, then "CONFIG_RTLWIFI" should make it work, as longas you have the firmware also installed.. Feb 02 21:17:21 ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter Feb 02 21:17:50 so that and "CONFIG_RTL8192CU", so you check your config.. Feb 02 21:18:28 How exactly do I do that? Feb 02 21:18:45 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep RTLWIFI Feb 02 21:19:37 that returned nothing Feb 02 21:19:58 probably why it doesn't work Feb 02 21:20:25 two options, find a kernel that'll work, or rebuild your current kernel with those options enabled.. Feb 02 21:21:35 Is that the equivalent of building a new image? I followed instructions from here: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/1ec0c6585a2141c8/19e6ac4bbdd4647f?show_docid=19e6ac4bbdd4647f Feb 02 21:22:23 Ugh, unfortunately I have to leave. Thanks for all your help. I'll probably be back when I get some free time. Feb 02 21:38:57 <_av500_> there, java is fine: http://coverclock.blogspot.com/2012/02/embedded-software-development-economics.html :) Feb 02 21:48:31 another senseless article (... or even c++), that just speaks for himself if someone compares c with c++ in such a way Feb 02 21:49:39 But at least he as ware of that, as the title suggests ;) Feb 02 21:49:46 (sub)title Feb 02 21:53:56 s/as ware/is aware/ Feb 02 22:25:40 Hey, anyone out there? Feb 02 22:26:03 <_av500_> no Feb 02 22:26:09 <_av500_> all frozen solid Feb 02 22:26:11 9 Feb 02 22:26:27 <_av500_> 11 Feb 02 22:26:49 <_av500_> Russ: stop leeching neighbour's wifi and get inside Feb 02 22:27:09 I thought '9' was german for 'no' Feb 02 22:27:30 how familiar are you guys w/ the beagle bone vs the older board? Feb 02 22:27:32 that's why you say niner Feb 02 22:27:35 I have a few noob questions Feb 02 22:28:04 <_av500_> just ask, dont ask to ask Feb 02 22:28:28 What's the deal w/ the procs? Feb 02 22:28:41 Google says all over they are a $5 proc in qty Feb 02 22:28:47 <_av500_> and? Feb 02 22:28:53 it's a different soc Feb 02 22:29:00 but they show up on digikey for like 12+ Feb 02 22:29:03 in qty Feb 02 22:29:10 <_av500_> increase qty Feb 02 22:29:24 <_av500_> or haggle better Feb 02 22:29:29 12+ as in 12 dollars (us) for like 100 Feb 02 22:29:36 <_av500_> 100 is not qty Feb 02 22:29:41 <_av500_> 100 is samples Feb 02 22:29:47 I see Feb 02 22:29:56 what would a real world qty be then? Feb 02 22:30:00 6000 Feb 02 22:30:01 <_av500_> depends Feb 02 22:30:19 <_av500_> if you are making a $20 gadget, 1mio Feb 02 22:30:30 <_av500_> if you are making a $500 industrial thing, 100 Feb 02 22:30:40 <_av500_> but then you dont care about $12 Feb 02 22:30:44 gotcha Feb 02 22:31:37 have you guys done a production project using this impementation (Linux on the TI stuff)? Feb 02 22:31:49 *implementation Feb 02 22:32:57 <_av500_> depedns Feb 02 22:33:02 <_av500_> there is a lot of "ti stuff" Feb 02 22:33:11 Understood Feb 02 22:33:29 I am trying to get more involved with embedded stuff as I have a production need Feb 02 22:33:52 I am trying to figure out the best dev envrionment Feb 02 22:34:07 as in C for an ARM proc Feb 02 22:34:21 do you want to run linux or bare metal? Feb 02 22:34:25 or trying to use an implementation such as this which uses Linux Feb 02 22:34:31 I am not a linux guy Feb 02 22:34:36 I would prefer something with .net Feb 02 22:34:52 so wince? Feb 02 22:35:05 * _av500_ winces Feb 02 22:35:20 <_av500_> Ed__: there is also wince for "ti stuff" Feb 02 22:35:29 I was thinking more like the micro framework Feb 02 22:35:31 <_av500_> but most of that is "you pay for it" Feb 02 22:35:43 <_av500_> and we know nothing about it Feb 02 22:36:34 yeah, you'd have to talk to microsoft about that stuff Feb 02 22:36:49 <_av500_> or soe of their 3rd parties Feb 02 22:36:51 <_av500_> some Feb 02 22:37:04 I found a company in Shanhai that ported the framework to a Coretex A3 Proc Feb 02 22:37:12 they are a TI Partner overseas Feb 02 22:37:25 there is also mono Feb 02 22:37:43 what's cortex a3? Feb 02 22:37:43 mono? Feb 02 22:37:52 <_av500_> the free .net Feb 02 22:37:53 it is an ARM processor Feb 02 22:37:56 http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page Feb 02 22:38:08 i know of cortex M3 but not A3 Feb 02 22:38:17 Sorry. M3 Feb 02 22:38:35 So new to this stuff Feb 02 22:38:48 so this shanghai company makes something that compiles .net to arm assembly? Feb 02 22:39:19 not something Feb 02 22:39:38 they ported the micro-framework to run on "TI Stuff" :) Feb 02 22:40:15 http://www.golden-ic.com/en/tech.php Feb 02 22:41:08 <_av500_> ah, golden Feb 02 22:41:25 is that a good ah, or a bad ah? Feb 02 22:42:03 <_av500_> it's nondescript Feb 02 22:42:20 Do you have any experience or have you heard about them? Feb 02 22:42:31 <_av500_> well, M3 and cortex A8 are a tad different beasts Feb 02 22:42:39 <_av500_> Ed__: no, I have not Feb 02 22:42:40 the cortex A won't run the M binaries right? Feb 02 22:42:51 <_av500_> I just commented on the shiny name Feb 02 22:43:55 @Jay, not sure Feb 02 22:44:07 I am looking for the .net before the proc at this point Feb 02 22:45:06 I am trying not to learn a whole new dev environment Feb 02 22:45:19 the beagle bone had some potential Feb 02 22:45:31 it uses javascript to a degree, yes? Feb 02 22:45:48 you could probably run mono on the bone as Russ suggested, but that's not exactly "embedded" Feb 02 22:45:54 <_av500_> Ed__: no Feb 02 22:45:57 <_av500_> it runs linux Feb 02 22:46:04 <_av500_> and there is javascript for linux Feb 02 22:46:10 <_av500_> as is a ton of other stuff Feb 02 22:46:16 jay6981, I think the definition of embedded these days is just an extra $20 on the charge code Feb 02 22:46:18 <_av500_> the HW does not mandate any SW Feb 02 22:46:24 Russ: heh Feb 02 23:16:54 I once runned a .net-prg with mono on an armv5 with 200mhz and 64mb, worked, slowly but worked. Feb 02 23:17:08 just was curious, never would do that in real :) Feb 02 23:22:57 had to do that because there was one which always thought he need to put wince on that thingy ... Feb 02 23:27:23 because "everyone wants win ce" Feb 02 23:28:55 * djlewis does not want wince Feb 02 23:30:26 i would prefer a simple runtime engine that allowed full peripherial access. Feb 02 23:31:08 but that is for a simpler processor Feb 02 23:31:51 strange thing, eating "real Seal Salt" chips but cant taste the salt. Feb 02 23:32:00 real sea salt... argh Feb 02 23:32:28 no i didnt club any seals Feb 02 23:33:00 only thing I've tried that advertises "real" sea salt is Wendy's new natural fries.. which I don't like Feb 02 23:33:28 so I'm unsure whether it's the salt or something else they changed at the same time Feb 02 23:33:44 yeah, no tellin Feb 02 23:34:29 i stopped eating wendys burgers as the cardboard content was increasing and the meat thickness is transparant thin. Feb 02 23:34:57 lol at the cardboard content Feb 02 23:35:24 i have determined that is the ingredient Feb 02 23:36:20 last time i went into a wendys to order a burger I asked the manager to show me one first. Feb 02 23:36:39 Sure nuff, the meat patty was about 1mm thick. Feb 02 23:36:53 where's the beef? Feb 02 23:36:54 I told him he must be pretty proud of those meatless burgers Feb 02 23:37:10 apparently several fast food places have been adding wood pulp as the FDA allows a certain %, maybe that's what you're tasting Feb 02 23:37:29 its more the texture than the taste. Feb 02 23:37:39 thats why you go to 5g and ino instead Feb 02 23:37:52 not familiar with Feb 02 23:37:58 Russ knows where the good stuff is Feb 02 23:37:58 five guys, in-n-out Feb 02 23:38:08 not in arkansas Feb 02 23:38:21 in and oout is goodbut it's mostly a california thing Feb 02 23:38:21 fatburger? Feb 02 23:38:23 even backyard burgers has gone to pot. Feb 02 23:38:39 fatburger is hideously overpriced Feb 02 23:39:16 i ordered chili on my burger and they measure it out in a tiny little cup… that was the last straw for fatburger Feb 02 23:39:17 we have a privately owned place called hubcaps and its forte' is hubcap sized burgers Feb 02 23:39:34 but thats a $12 burger now Feb 02 23:39:38 jay6981, that's why I didn't include it in my initial list Feb 02 23:40:05 crunchburger? Feb 02 23:40:09 carls jr 6 dollar burger might be one of the better big chain burgers Feb 02 23:40:40 no carls here either Feb 02 23:40:51 arkansas must be a strange place Feb 02 23:40:51 they're called hardys some places iirc Feb 02 23:40:56 not a burger, but chick-fil-a? Feb 02 23:41:16 sonic? whataburger? Feb 02 23:41:19 we have hardys and chick-a-fil's Feb 02 23:41:28 we have sonic Feb 02 23:41:52 whataburger is ok, but way overhyped Feb 02 23:42:04 i've only heard about it… don't think they exist in CA Feb 02 23:42:05 I was introduced to wendys in 77 in Dallas, that was a good burger back then. Feb 02 23:42:20 no whataburger is mostly texas Feb 02 23:42:54 we have them in AZ, I don't usually go Feb 02 23:43:19 thechuckbox.com <- my favorite burger place Feb 02 23:43:28 a big juan with cheese Feb 02 23:43:44 not the upchuckbox.com? ;) Feb 02 23:44:20 looks decent Feb 02 23:44:20 over 278 sold! Feb 02 23:47:06 another 48 hours or so of thunderstorms heading my way.. Feb 02 23:47:28 you got me hungry for a good burger now. Feb 02 23:47:40 Seems that here in Ar I'll have to make my own. Feb 03 00:16:36 1E10 units Feb 03 00:57:47 Mmmm - Chuckbox. Feb 03 00:58:20 Or, if in Flagstaff, try Bunhuggers. Almost the same decor / menu. Feb 03 01:05:51 aren't the gas stations safer to eat at up there? Feb 03 02:20:32 anyone here spent much time with SPI on linux 3.0 (or even later 2.6)? i'm seeing kernel lockups when doing multiple DMA transfers Feb 03 02:20:36 using spidev Feb 03 02:20:58 and using PIO I get "spidev spi1.1: RXS timed out" Feb 03 02:21:10 full disclosure: this is on a gumstix **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 03 02:59:57 2012