**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 07 02:59:58 2012 Feb 07 03:00:13 i didn't say that Feb 07 03:00:31 ) Feb 07 03:02:15 my take is, when ~3% of the (elected!) us sherrifs raise a concern about the constitution going bellyup, i get concerned. Feb 07 03:04:04 an inconvenient "goddamn piece of paper" for some who swore to uphold it. Feb 07 03:09:54 * etheretic goes offline for a bit. Feb 07 04:13:04 does angstrom run on the pandaboard? Feb 07 04:17:18 yup Feb 07 08:56:42 ha, my ipaq 2410 battery blew up Feb 07 08:59:59 badaboom? Feb 07 09:00:28 dicke backen Feb 07 09:01:03 Hello, everyone. Does anyone know is there GPRS/GSM module compatible for BeagleBone? Feb 07 09:01:26 Aulanko: usb based ones should be Feb 07 09:01:31 if there is a linux driver Feb 07 09:01:32 av500: send pictures! Feb 07 09:01:54 LetoThe2nd: not much to see, its just looks a bit "fatter" than before Feb 07 09:02:02 hehe Feb 07 09:02:23 yes, but I would prefer separate modula where would be SMA connector and such Feb 07 09:02:33 normally that happens if you let LiIon deep discharge, but this one was sitting on its cradle doing nothing for years.... Feb 07 09:02:44 but I could try and go with USB modem first :) Feb 07 09:02:54 Aulanko: what does usb have to do with sma? Feb 07 09:03:28 Aulanko: then pick any industrial gsm module, but be aware they won't come in bone form factor. Feb 07 09:04:08 I need to have SMA for antenna and BeagleBone doesn't have itself Feb 07 09:04:42 yep, bone does not even have a GSM modem Feb 07 09:04:46 Aulanko: usually you can get them in 3.3V or 5V, so you just need to add level shifting if necessary and route it to some tty=x. there you go. Feb 07 09:04:51 so adding the antenna was pointless Feb 07 09:05:32 Aulanko: here are some examples: http://www.insys-icom.de/embedded-communication-modules/ Feb 07 09:05:51 I like the little 8pin one on the top Feb 07 09:06:32 av500: hrhrhr Feb 07 09:06:56 Aulanko: just get a usb modem and desolder the antenna and hook yours Feb 07 09:07:33 or get one that has SMA already Feb 07 09:08:51 ... thats the lame way ;) Feb 07 09:08:57 Yes, I found some usb modems with sma Feb 07 09:34:53 h'm. sounds like a mil copter hanging over town. Feb 07 09:35:12 run! Feb 07 09:35:54 noisy bstrd too. Feb 07 10:11:07 11:11 Feb 07 10:17:22 does anyone know how to fix the crash when resizing an opengl application with sgx drivers? Feb 07 10:17:43 on beagleboard xm Feb 07 10:17:50 with sgx drivers 4.03 Feb 07 11:12:47 i just wonder that, is it normal or not. When i had kernel 2.6.36 kernel my executable(image processing project) could work with 30 fps.But in kernel 3.0.14+ it is decreased to 5 fps. Then i wonder why? it works x6 times slower than older.. I think updates & upgrade must be done for increasing system performance.. Feb 07 11:14:23 they implemented slow motion Feb 07 11:16:16 parana: ever heard of "bugs"? Feb 07 11:16:46 bunny? Feb 07 11:17:04 starship troopers Feb 07 11:17:52 so there is bug and is there yet solutions? or still trying to fix Feb 07 11:19:10 fps = fps * 6; Feb 07 11:19:37 av500: great movie. it even has sequels ;) Feb 07 11:20:37 check things like CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP Feb 07 11:20:52 and other scheduler stuff Feb 07 11:21:42 what's wrong with the people today, I'm happy if it boots :P Feb 07 11:22:25 :)) Feb 07 11:22:37 the freezer cgroup is great too ;) Feb 07 11:22:40 i think today all people are heapy Feb 07 11:22:50 and I love those bruteforce issue methods :P try to enable that, if it doesn't work, than try that and if it didn't helped either, go home Feb 07 11:23:02 now that typo NEEDS to go into 26+26 Feb 07 11:23:03 s/issue/issue finding/ Feb 07 11:23:08 parana: find out *what* is slower Feb 07 11:23:44 mru: gotta love that citation -> parana> i think today all people are heapy Feb 07 11:24:04 * av500 feels stacky Feb 07 11:24:25 av500: better than stacked. Feb 07 11:24:27 just pop until the stack is empty Feb 07 11:24:45 stack pointer is frozen for almost a week now Feb 07 11:25:02 av500: probably process' scheduling priority is low Feb 07 11:25:10 that must be the only problem. Feb 07 11:25:12 renice! Feb 07 11:25:37 * LetoThe2nd renices av500 Feb 07 11:25:38 if it doesn't help, it needs more juice, so I would try 12V power supply Feb 07 11:25:51 so he wasn't nice before? ;) Feb 07 11:26:17 av500: but i increased my process' priority to very high, and therefore i think all other processes' priority are high too.. Feb 07 11:26:25 So i need to decrease them Feb 07 11:27:00 Does anyone know if the i-modul GPRS basic 4.1 is compatible with BeagleBone via usb interface? Feb 07 11:27:05 find out *why* it is slow Feb 07 11:27:14 parana: read the manpage of nice again Feb 07 11:27:30 don't speculate on IRC, that attracts all kind of snark sharks Feb 07 11:27:55 Aulanko: we have the same google as you :) Feb 07 11:28:19 ok ok. I will find, thx .. Feb 07 11:29:38 btw it is snowing like cat&dog, i should go to home while i still can :) Feb 07 11:33:31 Aulanko: the i-modul things are usually conencted through a plain old serial line... Feb 07 11:36:47 koen: gee, that bltsville stuff is now in android Feb 07 12:00:37 hi Feb 07 12:03:24 i'have a beaglebone and i attached a touch tft, the tslib is working as i can do a ts_calibrate, but the touch is not working with qt4, i have read the bitbake recipes and it's compiled with tslib support, and i put the QWS_MOUSE_PROTO=tslib, but the qtdemos don't work with the touch, anyone with some light? Feb 07 12:10:54 bonebone: did you install the tslib plugin for qt? Feb 07 12:11:54 koen: with opkg? Feb 07 12:12:19 perhaps not, going there, thx koen Feb 07 12:23:29 koen: yess, that was the thing, thx a lot koen :) Feb 07 14:01:07 Good morning everyone! Feb 07 14:04:18 everyone isn't here Feb 07 14:05:06 oh just like yesterday? Feb 07 14:29:38 How can i compile the kernel image of the beagle board? Feb 07 14:30:04 get oe and use bitbake Feb 07 14:30:41 is there another way? Feb 07 14:30:57 http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/ Feb 07 14:31:12 whoami: what kernel image? Feb 07 14:31:18 for angstrom that is the way Feb 07 14:31:34 hi av50 Feb 07 14:31:47 woglinde: ho woglind Feb 07 14:32:46 ups Feb 07 14:50:48 anyone here know what a Burr-Brown PCM1794 is? Feb 07 14:50:57 google maybe? Feb 07 14:51:19 a pcm device? Feb 07 14:51:33 the 1794th PCM device in fact Feb 07 14:51:54 av500: i know, but wonder if anyone here has thought of putting it on a bb daugtherboad (puppyboard?) Feb 07 14:52:12 it's a DAC chip. Feb 07 14:52:56 would boost the audio capabilities of the bb no end. Feb 07 14:55:33 i'm looking for a class D amplifier chip for the sound, but not there yet Feb 07 14:56:45 the burr-brown seems to be a TI product. Feb 07 15:27:22 hi Feb 07 15:57:18 av500: passing the fb data over websockets makes javascript OOM Feb 07 15:57:35 av500: I guess I'll make it dump a png and load that Feb 07 15:57:35 koen: you tried? Feb 07 15:57:45 LetoThe2nd: yes Feb 07 15:57:55 fbdata = fs.readFileSync("/dev/fb0"); Feb 07 15:57:59 socket.emit('fbdata', fbdata); Feb 07 15:58:09 *facepalm* javascript Feb 07 15:58:26 koen: dont use XML to hold the pixels Feb 07 15:59:40 koen: check https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat on occasion, with reference to javascript Feb 07 16:03:19 If fbdata is real big, wouldn't you expect OOM? Feb 07 16:03:55 800x480@16 is not that big Feb 07 16:04:42 its bigger than 800+480@16 Feb 07 16:06:30 koen: also trying to bring local apps to the web you are? ;) Feb 07 16:06:46 yes, local weather Feb 07 16:08:03 Anyone knows why bitbake virtual/kernel builds so much stuff? Are python, openssl, and libffi really dependencies of the kernel? Feb 07 16:08:18 LetoThe2nd: it's av500s idea Feb 07 16:08:31 I just opted for fb0 instead of devmem2 :) Feb 07 16:08:46 ? Feb 07 16:08:59 hrhrhr that one Feb 07 16:31:51 I should've bought more chocolates in brussels Feb 07 16:32:13 koen: all the bits are already gone? Feb 07 16:32:45 most of them Feb 07 18:23:03 ok so im guessing this question has been asked anumber of times but gstreamer pipeline involving reading a file from sdcard is pretty slow. (its going from sdcard read to usb) whats the best way to get it to run faster? Feb 07 18:24:19 using something else than a sd-card? Feb 07 18:24:30 like? Feb 07 18:25:00 whatever youare able to attach. or just cache the stuff in memory Feb 07 18:25:20 how should i cache it? Feb 07 18:25:48 cp? Feb 07 18:26:05 the entire filesystem is on sd card Feb 07 18:27:17 cp is able to copy just one file Feb 07 18:28:01 so using a ram-disk (e.g. tmpfs) and you have your cache, assuming the file fits in ram Feb 07 18:28:40 hmmmm i can try that Feb 07 18:32:02 * djlewis is waiting on pizza delivery, gm :) Feb 07 18:32:15 still audi ;) Feb 07 18:32:55 aholler: which audi? ;) Feb 07 18:33:10 r10 Feb 07 18:33:10 the smallest, not available anymore Feb 07 18:33:32 TT Feb 07 18:34:59 but something warm to eat sounds good. Feb 07 18:35:33 frozen europe :/ Feb 07 18:38:13 DAMN, EVEN MY CAPSLOCK IS FROZEN! Feb 07 18:38:19 hrhrhr Feb 07 18:43:42 Loading Global Warming 2.0, please wait... Feb 07 18:43:57 * etheretic hands ynezz some solvent Feb 07 18:44:42 global scmarming - google "climategate". Feb 07 18:45:09 you don't wantglobal warming 2.0, you will miss the gulf stream Feb 07 18:46:13 norway would be a ice hell w/o the gulf stream. Feb 07 18:46:30 what gulf Feb 07 18:46:30 i mean worse than now. Feb 07 18:46:40 mexico. Feb 07 18:46:47 hmm Feb 07 18:47:17 but that has to mix all up with that cold atlantic to get there Feb 07 18:48:20 it's still warm when it gets here. look up a map of ocean currents. Feb 07 18:48:47 (13,800,000 hits on climategate) Feb 07 18:49:23 arcanescu,Buying a class 10 sd card might also be an option Feb 07 18:49:55 djlewis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream#Localized_effects Feb 07 18:51:39 * etheretic is a big fan of the gulf stream :) Feb 07 18:53:18 aholler: wikip image makes the gs look cold... Feb 07 18:53:26 they assume that the gulf stream is driven by ice in greenland, which already becomes more less Feb 07 18:56:20 <_av500_> less more Feb 07 18:56:56 bit.ly/zi3lFm is maybe a better illustration of glob. oc. curr. Feb 07 18:58:15 has anyone made an emp-hardened casing for the beagleboard? Feb 07 18:58:23 is there a beaglebone specific channel? Feb 07 18:59:21 /join #beaglebone Feb 07 18:59:25 cheers Feb 07 18:59:52 if there weren't, there will be one now. Feb 07 18:59:57 jsabeaudry:class 10 sd card? Feb 07 19:00:02 englighetn me Feb 07 19:00:28 emp as in electro magnetic pulse? that might be a little difficult (impossible) if you want the board to be running when it gets hit Feb 07 19:00:32 arcanescu, Not all sd cards are identical in terms of speed, there are many speed ratings Feb 07 19:01:12 it would basically entail a faraday cage with no connection to outside of the cage Feb 07 19:01:39 arcanescu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating Feb 07 19:04:57 of course the big problem with EMP hardening is testing that it actually works... Feb 07 19:04:58 got it thanks. I will try to find a class 10 one... it would be pointless to say that they would cost more Feb 07 19:05:16 dioxin: which would include a gps signal antenna, presumably? Feb 07 19:20:18 emeb, do I want to be in the room when they are EMP testing? Feb 07 19:21:06 ka6sox: If you are you probably won't be for long. Feb 07 19:22:02 oh, my pacemaker.... Feb 07 19:23:35 owche Feb 07 19:23:38 arcanescu: actual sd card results: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html Feb 07 19:37:29 that's surprisingly radical differences. do they reflect price/cost? Feb 07 19:39:28 Sandisk and Trascend are deffo at the top of their class, with Sandisk winning out :-D Feb 07 19:40:25 topram? Feb 07 19:40:26 watch out for lessor quality chinese clones of these. Feb 07 19:41:09 ^^^^ meaning all brands Feb 07 19:54:29 hello, I have a (maybe) stupid question: Can I use kernel 3.1 for Beagleboard-xM into old BeagleBoard? Feb 07 19:55:36 fraviofii: not stupid… are you talking about using the actual binary kernel image? Feb 07 19:56:47 jay6981: In fact, I'm searching for the correct kernel sources for the old BeagleBoard Feb 07 19:57:18 jay6981: And I find information just for newer kernels for BeagleBoard-xM Feb 07 19:57:49 i think the mainline kernel will work on the old beagleboard Feb 07 19:58:47 That's fine, I'll try Feb 07 19:59:20 And how is the best way to load the kernel from serial port using Linux host? Feb 07 19:59:52 I usually use minicom Feb 07 20:00:43 uboot can load a kernel with ymodem Feb 07 20:00:46 or kermit Feb 07 20:01:10 yes, but in my case I have just serial Feb 07 20:01:20 I need serial to load u-boot Feb 07 20:01:32 and minicom has ymodem Feb 07 20:01:35 I saw a pserial tool Feb 07 20:01:40 to load u-boot Feb 07 20:01:50 that's for loading "MLO" Feb 07 20:02:04 yes ... also Feb 07 20:02:07 MLO - 1st stage loader into SRAM Feb 07 20:02:15 MLO loads u-boot into SDRAM Feb 07 20:02:16 yes Feb 07 20:02:22 we posted patches for serial SPL support..works great Feb 07 20:02:28 pserial might work. i did not ever have any success though. Feb 07 20:02:46 pserial save automatically MLO to SRAM? Feb 07 20:03:20 the mask rom will put MLO into sram Feb 07 20:03:33 or should I load MLO using pserial before loading u-boot? Feb 07 20:03:46 yes, MLO first Feb 07 20:10:54 that's nice Feb 07 20:10:59 I'll start here Feb 07 20:11:04 thank you very much Feb 07 20:11:08 good luck Feb 07 20:11:14 thank you Feb 07 20:26:06 koen: http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/manual/ Feb 07 20:28:02 dwery: thanks, I hope to have some time to look at it before ELC Feb 07 20:28:40 dwery: the next bone release will be based on 3.2: https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/beaglebone-3.2 Feb 07 20:28:55 there's no hurry. I will rebase the patch on release Feb 07 20:29:17 it would be also fine to have newer canutils in angstrom Feb 07 20:29:23 and iproute2 installed by default Feb 07 20:30:09 I was just looking at that Feb 07 20:30:23 I did some can work a while ago for AM3517 Feb 07 20:30:48 I need to see if there's a new version of qcanobserver Feb 07 20:30:59 the latest d_can driver seems to work nicely Feb 07 20:31:06 the one in the current bone tree is buggy Feb 07 20:31:16 Please excuse my confusion: what is the difference between aragon, rcn-ee and koen's kernel trees? Are they all staging areas for mainline? Feb 07 20:31:29 no Feb 07 20:31:50 rcn-ee -> debian, koen --> angstrom ? Feb 07 20:31:56 no Feb 07 20:32:08 the beaglebone uses the 335x kernel from meta-ti Feb 07 20:32:15 angstrom builds from meta-ti Feb 07 20:32:42 the git tree on my github is just there for whiny bitches who say applying patches is too hard Feb 07 20:33:37 I see. what is the difference between aragon and meta-ti? (sorry, I'm new to beagle bone lingo) Feb 07 20:33:59 dunno what aragon is Feb 07 20:34:05 :) Feb 07 20:34:20 arago=aragon Feb 07 20:34:41 I thought the beagleboard github project was a central for the evolution of beagleboards Feb 07 20:35:01 * dwery thinks he might join ELC EU 2012 Feb 07 20:35:10 dwery: barcelona! Feb 07 20:35:16 yep Feb 07 20:35:30 dwery: there's a really good italian restaurant near the venue Feb 07 20:35:37 run by actual italians Feb 07 20:36:03 great, so I don't have to search for a Mc Donald's :D Feb 07 20:36:04 koen: hehe, apparently my son has online friend who speaks Dutch who has been teaching my son some phrases, hehe Feb 07 20:36:08 italian restaurant in spain? Feb 07 20:36:24 prpplague: oh-oh Feb 07 20:36:35 denix: yes, my girlfriend had an italian roommate when she lived in barcelona :) Feb 07 20:37:11 * dwery hates eating abroad... Feb 07 20:37:33 prpplague: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Baantjer before getting mad at your son Feb 07 20:37:45 * tasslehoff used to be a whiny bitch, but improved Feb 07 20:38:19 tasslehoff haha Feb 07 20:39:21 koen: hehe, well he seems to like learning different languages, so i told him i'd get him a rosetta stone kit for Dutch, hehe, http://www.rosettastone.com/learn-dutch Feb 07 20:40:31 prpplague: lately I have been wondering to get some dutch lessons as well Feb 07 20:40:55 working for texans rots my brain ;) Feb 07 20:40:59 koen: hehe Feb 07 20:41:32 koen: hehe, talk about rotten, my texas draw accent trying to speak Dutch Feb 07 20:41:47 :) Feb 07 20:41:59 prpplague: in califronia people said I had a texas accent Feb 07 20:42:17 koen: hehe Feb 07 20:43:09 koen: you do need to set aside some time for thursday or friday evening at ELC for me to buy some beer... Feb 07 20:43:51 will do Feb 07 20:44:49 which kernel tree is meta-ti based on? Feb 07 20:45:06 psp Feb 07 20:45:09 mattzz: the one from arago Feb 07 20:45:28 thx! Things are getting a bit clearer… ;) Feb 07 20:46:54 denix btw. the tablecloth from fosdem is a bit lighter than on the picture Feb 07 20:47:19 denix: fwiw, the patches I sent to the ml are at https://github.com/angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/tree/beaglebone-rebase Feb 07 20:47:26 denix: with a typo fix in the kernel one Feb 07 20:47:49 maybee crofton will bring it to elc Feb 07 20:47:50 woglinde: I thought it would be slightly more beige Feb 07 20:48:12 woglinde: Crofton was saying it had "peachy" color Feb 07 20:48:24 but on the picture it had yellow tint Feb 07 20:48:45 I guess it could have been different lighting, need to see in person :) Feb 07 20:48:50 hmmm Feb 07 20:48:50 cornsilk Feb 07 20:49:01 corncob yellow is pretty close Feb 07 20:50:19 koen: great! I was already going through the patches... Feb 07 20:51:54 denix: I'm going to move fluff like bone-tester and those images to meta-beagleboard, but keep all the BSP stuff in meta-ti-bsp-* Feb 07 20:52:28 but for the time being I need to get the new image out Feb 07 20:52:34 and finish my presentation for elc Feb 07 20:54:04 koen: ok Feb 07 20:54:29 koen: you decided to split off meta-bb? Feb 07 20:56:39 denix: only for the extras Feb 07 20:56:47 kernel/uboot/etc will still be in meta-ti Feb 07 20:57:53 want to put it in meta-arago-extras? :) the part which is not distro? :) ;) Feb 07 20:58:18 no Feb 07 20:58:49 finish? Feb 07 20:58:59 koen, wasn't the slides due yesterday? Feb 07 21:01:11 ds2: dunno Feb 07 21:01:25 my slides are on github anyway :) Feb 07 21:01:47 https://github.com/koenkooi/bonescript/commits/ELC2012-koen Feb 07 21:02:33 yo koen Feb 07 21:02:51 XorA: how's the weather there? Feb 07 21:03:00 I bet it's not -20 like here Feb 07 21:03:06 koen: warm and sunny Feb 07 21:03:14 although the locals claim its freezing and winter Feb 07 21:03:44 XorA: californification? Feb 07 21:04:02 FULL MOON. Feb 07 21:04:29 koen: should move all the geek conferences to -20 locals to keep BO down Feb 07 21:05:35 koen: hehe, i hope you got them to LF , they are pretty serious about the pre-approval this time.... Feb 07 21:06:49 I haven't seen any mail about slides... Feb 07 21:07:04 * koen quickly orders the mini displayport to vga adapter Feb 07 21:07:32 koen: it was in the speaker acceptance mail for me Feb 07 21:07:36 saying slides due Feb 6. Feb 07 21:08:15 " Our video recording devices will automatically collect your slides, so you do not need to email them to us separately unless you would like them made available on the website prior to the event." Feb 07 21:08:25 in the email that just landed in my inbox :) Feb 07 21:09:19 so no editorial review for "inappropriate" material then? Feb 07 21:09:39 koen, I was so excited since I'm already a day late on the "slideware deadline" Feb 07 21:09:53 I was expecting nagging mails to ignore Feb 07 21:10:04 slideware, is that ppt running baremetal in starterware? Feb 07 21:10:17 mdp: attending ELC as well? Feb 07 21:10:57 denix: do you want to pull the patches from my github into master or do you want me to do that tomorrow? Feb 07 21:12:20 koen, yup Feb 07 21:12:30 mdp: dandy Feb 07 21:12:46 my agents at connect already inform me that the beer selection at the hotel bar is poor Feb 07 21:12:49 mdp: sweet, maybe we can locate a shooting range in CA Feb 07 21:13:36 koen, we won't need rentals if we hook up with mranostay…I won't check anything I own into the republic of CA Feb 07 21:14:06 mranostay? Feb 07 21:14:14 yeah, guns might cause cancer in CA Feb 07 21:14:21 koen, there is one not far from sfo airport Feb 07 21:14:31 Russ, mranostay just moved to CA in the last few days Feb 07 21:14:53 they get really confused at sfo when you check a gun though Feb 07 21:15:05 koen: ok, I'll pull them once I'm done with the review - got stuck on patch #3 :) Feb 07 21:15:58 just don't bring any "high capacity" magazines Feb 07 21:16:04 Russ, 90% of the time at phx was fine for me..but every once in a while there was some confusion..back in my days there Feb 07 21:16:28 denix: you are aware of http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.user/3932 ?? Feb 07 21:16:34 yes, phx its no different than checking golf clubs Feb 07 21:16:35 I heard prpplague can't take his .50 with him Feb 07 21:16:52 koen: nope Feb 07 21:17:06 koen: hehe, you say the post with the sign at the car wash? Feb 07 21:17:06 koen, CA has a long list of named pieces of metal that are disallowed for arbitrary reasons Feb 07 21:17:36 koen: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/QeZZizwAxez Feb 07 21:18:51 yeah Feb 07 21:19:25 koen: i sat there for about 20 minutes waiting for my car, it was funny as hell seeing how many guns were coming out Feb 07 21:20:29 mdp: going to scout out some good spots for some brew? Feb 07 21:20:29 I like how the dutch government states its position on guns Feb 07 21:20:37 "we have the monopoly on violence" Feb 07 21:20:57 it's preferred by all governments :) Feb 07 21:21:01 koen: honest Feb 07 21:21:14 political power comes out of the barrel of a gun Feb 07 21:21:15 there is basically nothing around the conference site, except ea games and oracle Feb 07 21:21:30 XorA: noted, thanks Feb 07 21:22:05 Russ: yeah, huge Oracle HQ Feb 07 21:22:08 denix: we'll need a "TI mirror" github account we can add to the various repos for auto-push Feb 07 21:22:24 koen: correct Feb 07 21:22:52 denix, what? github? :P Feb 07 21:23:01 mdp: :P Feb 07 21:23:20 mdp: don't ask me, it wasn't my limitation :) Feb 07 21:23:58 denix, at least I remained perfectly calm when informed of yet another constraint on productivity Feb 07 21:24:14 "all is well!" Feb 07 21:24:52 denix, the key is to hide it all in plain sight Feb 07 21:25:28 surely the people working at ea games and oracle need a stiff drink from time to time Feb 07 21:25:40 life is one big constraint... Feb 07 21:25:55 prpplague, oh, brew..so there's a BevMo! in redwood city…that definitely suggests having some akin to the old OLS scotch BOF Feb 07 21:26:09 BevMo!++ Feb 07 21:26:16 mdp: btw, be greatfull you are not @ oracle! Feb 07 21:26:29 Tartarus, I was browsing their 1 hour pickup inventory online...convenient! Feb 07 21:26:42 Indeed Feb 07 21:27:03 Tartarus, out here in the corn fields, I have to go into the beer store to browse all the exotic bottles Feb 07 21:27:07 It is nice to browse tho Feb 07 21:27:12 yes Feb 07 21:27:19 we went the other night after a successful dinner out with both kids Feb 07 21:27:25 lol Feb 07 21:27:38 I remember those days..I understand what you mean by "successful" Feb 07 21:28:07 heh Feb 07 21:28:10 It really was, pretty much Feb 07 21:28:18 Gio was actually well behaved, ate his food Feb 07 21:28:25 and Vivi didn't have a meltdown, so yay Feb 07 21:28:37 * XorA has found CA has good sources of good british beer Feb 07 21:28:38 as opposed to throwing it? Feb 07 21:28:55 as opposed to all of the options a 3 year old has Feb 07 21:29:08 right Feb 07 21:30:25 XorA, I think the biggest problem these days is the assault of new beer every day now, there's not enough drinking hours in the day Feb 07 21:30:45 mdp: I wont complain about that issue :-D Feb 07 21:30:58 at least USA seems to have moved beyond Bud :-) Feb 07 21:31:04 distribution in .us is outstanding for imports and then there's the 10 bazillionion micros Feb 07 21:31:04 yeah Feb 07 21:31:08 they have bud light now Feb 07 21:31:14 bud platinum! Feb 07 21:31:22 ha! Feb 07 21:31:26 beeradvocate.com reviews are hilarious Feb 07 21:31:35 bud is manufactured in urinals :-D Feb 07 21:31:49 kind of Feb 07 21:31:59 XorA: ever tried http://www.pyratrum.com/ ? Feb 07 21:31:59 I've been on the brewery tour many times when at the Uni Feb 07 21:32:03 since it was right nearby Feb 07 21:32:04 at least there is a hofbräuhaus in las vegas Feb 07 21:32:37 zzz time again Feb 07 21:32:45 nite koen Feb 07 21:32:48 koen: nope Feb 07 21:33:13 XorA an olympic swimming pool sized urinal to be exact :) Feb 07 21:33:29 mdp: dandy Feb 07 21:34:15 prpplague: drank all that harp larger yet? Feb 07 21:34:26 * XorA noticed its for sale in .ca as well Feb 07 21:34:30 XorA: hehe Feb 07 21:34:50 a whole new market of tramps to sell it to :-D Feb 07 21:35:01 XorA: was that what they offered us at the flying saucer that evening? Feb 07 21:35:06 prpplague: yeah Feb 07 21:35:13 XorA: ahh Feb 07 21:35:18 when I upset the barmaid :-D Feb 07 21:35:51 prpplague: everyone I have told that story to in UK has grimaced at the mention of harp larger :-D Feb 07 21:36:15 XorA: hehe Feb 07 21:39:31 * XorA also has a car with a built in GPS which appears to not know about 25% of USA streets Feb 07 21:39:35 its bloody useless Feb 07 21:46:53