**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 08 02:59:57 2012 Feb 08 04:40:16 anyone familiar with systemd + connman on angstrom? Feb 08 07:32:06 dear australia Feb 08 07:32:19 consider changing the gradient of your train platforms Feb 08 07:32:23 kthxbye Feb 08 07:33:12 Russ: you fell of one? Feb 08 07:33:17 +f Feb 08 07:33:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhoCj_-LFp0 Feb 08 07:35:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXE2U3TDZwM Feb 08 08:20:27 hmmm Feb 08 10:25:50 koen: mru: http://www.linuxdevelopment.org/projects/Tower.jpg Feb 08 10:25:54 uses netsync Feb 08 10:29:35 hey have anybody experience with the setting up the gpios on the beaglebone. by the way i'm using not the angstrom demo. i'm using the debian squeeze demo Feb 08 10:52:25 kylus_: so ask in #debian Feb 08 10:53:01 av500: did Rob do that? Feb 08 10:53:12 u know him? Feb 08 10:53:24 and yes Feb 08 10:53:48 koen: you can see it at EW Feb 08 10:54:11 I've worked with Rob in the past Feb 08 10:54:24 2006-ish Feb 08 10:54:48 today isn't going to be a good day Feb 08 10:55:33 my coffee break project ended up with bandaids and bloodstains everywhere Feb 08 10:55:41 wow Feb 08 10:55:48 I hope the other guy looks worse Feb 08 10:56:03 time to buy a proper M5 tap instead of using those self tapping screws Feb 08 10:56:26 at least you have an M5 tap in your right knee now Feb 08 10:56:33 can always come in handy Feb 08 10:56:44 hands free with shopping bags Feb 08 10:56:53 :) Feb 08 10:57:13 whoever invented M5 needs to be shot anyway Feb 08 10:57:44 when I need M5 all I find is M4 and M6 Feb 08 10:58:02 and whenever I need M6 or M4, all I find are stupid M5 screws Feb 08 10:59:45 right Feb 08 10:59:59 turns out I have M4 t-slot 'bolts' Feb 08 11:00:16 so I need to source some more M4 bolts Feb 08 11:00:39 (or drill a hole, tap a thread and use M5) Feb 08 11:00:55 http://techpaladin.com/2011/12/07/mendelmax-build-frame-part-1/ Feb 08 11:02:12 koen: M4 screws censored in .NL? Feb 08 11:02:36 no, I just ran out Feb 08 11:02:49 so, I agree with 11:57 < av500> and whenever I need M6 or M4, all I find are stupid M5 screws Feb 08 11:05:38 koen: building a reprap? Feb 08 11:07:25 Hmm, I once wanted to build a robot using those nice aluminium parts used for that frame in the url above, but was unable to find them in a shop around the corner. Feb 08 11:07:51 dwery: yes Feb 08 11:08:03 koen: very nice! I shall do it too sooner or later Feb 08 11:08:15 aholler_: I discovered it's cheaper to order from the UK than to use the shop around the corner Feb 08 11:08:26 UK where? Feb 08 11:09:12 koen: I ddidn't found that stuff in the internet, the company which has sold that, seemed to have vanished. Feb 08 11:09:45 anyway, wood is usable too ;) Feb 08 11:11:16 at least if it isn't a CNC machine ;) Feb 08 11:12:46 what machine is it then? Feb 08 11:12:51 a flute? Feb 08 11:13:21 as I said, a robot Feb 08 11:15:23 driving around, able to carrying about 50kg, so not one of those small ones. Feb 08 11:22:17 that one was my first attempt: http://ahsoftware.de/BigRobbi.avi ;) Feb 08 11:24:09 aholler_: fetchMeBeerBot? Feb 08 11:24:38 exactly, should become something like a moving table Feb 08 11:27:07 the second design with larger tires (around 30cm) is still waiting for completion (since 3a) ;) Feb 08 11:30:51 better than my robot, which is still a pile of scrap wood in the corner and wheels never ordered.... Feb 08 11:30:58 but one day.... Feb 08 11:43:38 dwery, aholler_: http://reprap.org/wiki/Extrusions Feb 08 11:46:24 koen: just print some Feb 08 11:47:32 * dwery loves those extruded profiles Feb 08 11:50:11 av500: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10261 Feb 08 11:59:16 Hi Feb 08 11:59:40 back on the road agaain Feb 08 12:02:30 I kinda need help on beginning on the beagleboard-xm, i guess... Feb 08 12:03:22 I tried to install the Angstrom demonstration, but I don't get a serial shell when the boot terminates... Feb 08 12:03:40 pastebin a boot log Feb 08 12:03:49 OKay Feb 08 12:04:09 i want to set kernel boot parameter: "noautogroup", what is the correct way to do it ? (I tried some methods but they were not permanent) Feb 08 12:04:45 http://pastebin.com/6kkwxc5S Feb 08 12:05:14 ** Unable to read "uEnv.txt" from mmc 0:1 ** Feb 08 12:05:31 nothing after that? Feb 08 12:05:46 Nothing at all Feb 08 12:05:49 I bet there is no console set up Feb 08 12:05:53 yeah Feb 08 12:05:54 in the cmdline Feb 08 12:06:05 tty)2 versus ttyS maybe? Feb 08 12:06:20 or that Feb 08 12:06:21 u-boot much newer than kernel or vice versa Feb 08 12:06:28 image looks old, baed on 2.6.32 Feb 08 12:06:51 u-boot is recent, so console is set to ttyO2 Feb 08 12:07:08 I took everything on the same website from the elinux howto Feb 08 12:07:49 So I should set the uEnv.txt to help it give me a serial shell ? Feb 08 12:08:07 you could stop the boot and "printenv" Feb 08 12:08:20 that would be a good idea Feb 08 12:08:24 amandarn: i suggest you to install directly an image, it is the easiest way ;) Feb 08 12:08:25 Oh, okay Feb 08 12:09:38 parana: I'll try if I really fail at this... Feb 08 12:10:09 amandarn: which kernel you are trying to install now? Feb 08 12:10:40 The first I found online, a 2.6 Feb 08 12:11:00 the image 01.2012 is 3.0.14+ Feb 08 12:11:24 and has latest packages inside .. Feb 08 12:11:32 I just wanted to test if the beagleboard was booting and if my usb to serial converter worked... Feb 08 12:11:56 hmm ok, then keep trying.. Feb 08 12:12:00 What distribution is this image ? Feb 08 12:12:04 Angstrom ? Feb 08 12:12:09 yes Feb 08 12:12:21 angstrom with x11 visual package Feb 08 12:12:55 hmm Feb 08 12:13:53 amandarn: all you need to do is download image and then "dd if=...pathtoimage/image.img of=/dev/sde" Feb 08 12:13:58 I'll try to setenv first... I see the bootargs are not set Feb 08 12:14:08 hmm, so tempting Feb 08 12:14:27 amandarn: first set bootargs then dont forget to save with "saveenv" Feb 08 12:14:44 OKay Feb 08 12:20:10 av500: for setting noautogroup kernel boot parameter, is not it the correct way: on booting setting it with "setenv bootargs noautogroup" ? Feb 08 12:21:23 hmm. I guess I'll try the image... Feb 08 12:23:04 amandarn: no saveenv if you have XM Feb 08 12:23:11 thus use uEnv.txt Feb 08 12:23:19 OH, okay Feb 08 12:23:24 dwery: you mentioned a more recent canutils, but afaics 4.0.6 is the latest Feb 08 12:23:47 mm.. let me check Feb 08 12:25:08 koen: I compiled can-utils from the socketcan svn Feb 08 12:25:25 the syntax of .e.g. cansend is quite different wrto the one in angstrom Feb 08 12:28:19 I can't find any version number there :( Feb 08 12:28:52 dwery: if I look at pengutronix git there's only one patch extra, -e Feb 08 12:29:00 funnily enough done by TI people Feb 08 12:29:12 is that the one you want? Feb 08 12:29:57 koen: for setting noautogroup kernel boot parameter, is not it the correct way: on booting setting it with "setenv bootargs noautogroup" ? Feb 08 12:30:34 I'm used to the one in http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/socketcan/trunk/can-utils/?#ad2b18e83f266ecc9c76d20a254f82581 Feb 08 12:30:47 some files have change timestamp in 2011 Feb 08 12:31:10 others are much older Feb 08 12:31:25 I must find where the official development is happening Feb 08 12:32:33 parana: i don't find the 2012.01 image on angstrom website... should I generate it with the narcissus thing ? Feb 08 12:32:45 nope Feb 08 12:32:51 parana: I have no idea what noautogroup is Feb 08 12:32:58 I tried http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Feb 08 12:33:26 dwery: I look at http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=tools/canutils.git;a=summary Feb 08 12:33:53 amandarn: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Feb 08 12:34:07 it is true Feb 08 12:34:17 Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz Feb 08 12:34:49 Oh Feb 08 12:34:51 dwery: ah, it seems svn has seen more commits Feb 08 12:35:16 Damn, really sorry, it was right in front of me... also, thanks. Feb 08 12:35:38 * koen wonders why there's a .gitignore in canutils svn Feb 08 12:36:18 bbl Feb 08 12:37:21 koen: as i read, noautogroup is a kernel boot argument for disabling sched_autogroup (@ /proc/sys/kernel/sched_autogroup_enabled). Feb 08 12:37:33 koen: i want old scheduler.. Feb 08 12:40:53 and there's nothing on the internet about uenv.txt? Feb 08 12:41:20 nope Feb 08 12:41:35 i added noautogroup to uEnv.txt Feb 08 12:41:39 but not worked Feb 08 12:45:41 * koen googles for uenv.txt Feb 08 12:46:20 * koen lycoses for uenv.txt Feb 08 12:46:26 both give a ton of results Feb 08 12:47:53 parana, what exactly didn't work? you mean uenv.txt? cause noautogroup will work if you actually get it on the cmdline Feb 08 12:50:19 mdp: uEnv.txt works, but i want to disable autogroup scheduler Feb 08 12:50:40 parana: maybe ask in #linux Feb 08 12:51:02 and when i write "noautogroup" "noautogroup=1" "noautogroup=true" ...it doesnt work Feb 08 12:51:09 parana, and you are 100% sure your cmdline args appears in "Kernel command line"? Feb 08 12:51:35 av500: sure? i tried 1 month ago and they said "ask to your distro. angstrom is debian based" Feb 08 12:51:57 mdp: yes Feb 08 12:52:32 mdp: because normally my lcd was flickering but when i write some commands to uEnv.txt about lcd, it worked.. Feb 08 12:53:21 parana, ok, well, that's pretty bulletproof code, guess it depends on the age of your kernel Feb 08 12:53:53 the flag very clearly prevents all the of the autogroup functionality from executing Feb 08 12:54:09 parana, I would take av500's advice :) Feb 08 12:54:33 mdp: about go ask in linux ? :) Feb 08 12:54:40 you bet Feb 08 12:55:00 ok i will Feb 08 12:55:26 my prediction is that it only appears to you that autogroup functionality is still enabled Feb 08 12:55:28 just fwiw Feb 08 12:56:14 very tough to get "if !0 [then] goto out" to fail :) Feb 08 12:57:15 parana: do you see your "noautogroup" in the kernel command line? if yes, then you managed to set it Feb 08 12:57:17 when i write "cat /proc/sys/kernel/sched_autogroup_enabled" it writes 1 Feb 08 12:57:57 parana, that means you just turned the option back on Feb 08 12:58:36 the cmdline option simply whacks the autogroup sysctl flag to 0 Feb 08 12:59:37 av500: how can i check kernel command line? Feb 08 13:00:09 cat /proc/cmdline Feb 08 13:00:15 or in the dmesg as it scrolls by Feb 08 13:00:41 "Kernel command line" is what you're looking for in dmesg, fwiw Feb 08 13:00:43 av500: no there is not Feb 08 13:02:52 av500: mdp: also "vi /proc/cmdline" not works Feb 08 13:03:37 yeah, vi is crap Feb 08 13:03:45 lol Feb 08 13:05:23 notepad /dev/mem .. CTRL-A .. DEL .. CTRL-S Feb 08 13:06:25 here I was predicting the suggestion of "opkg install emacs" Feb 08 13:06:35 "lucid-emacs" :) Feb 08 13:07:05 parana, 'cat /proc/cmdline' Feb 08 13:07:14 [14:00:08] cat /proc/cmdline Feb 08 13:07:50 mdp: i can see inside Feb 08 13:07:56 but not edit Feb 08 13:08:10 true Feb 08 13:08:24 its like trying to edit the lottery results Feb 08 13:08:27 I'm ready for scotch Feb 08 13:08:31 neat, but pointless Feb 08 13:22:47 av500: mdp: i edited mdp but when i reboot it turned back to normal.(Erased edited word) Feb 08 13:24:34 you cannot edit it Feb 08 13:26:19 :) sorry i edit /proc/cmdline Feb 08 13:34:11 aholler_: do you know about noautogroup command? Feb 08 13:34:29 if you edit me then I prefer to be edited by vim Feb 08 13:34:43 mdp: :D:D Feb 08 13:38:39 parana: since you fail to set this cmdline option, knowin about it gains you little Feb 08 13:46:09 koen: looking at cansend, the one on gitorious seems similar to the one in socketcan/canutils, while is different from the one in pengutronix Feb 08 13:48:06 heh Feb 08 13:48:13 I hope someone CAN figure it out Feb 08 13:49:01 :D Feb 08 13:50:04 I'd go for http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/socketcan/trunk/can-utils/ , it has more and newer commits Feb 08 13:52:55 parana: do you use uEnv.txt? Feb 08 13:53:12 aholler_: yes Feb 08 13:53:35 i tried "noautogroup" "noautogroup=1" "noautogroup=true" Feb 08 13:53:37 so just put it at the end of one of the stuff you already have there Feb 08 13:55:03 aholler: which one? "noautogroup" "noautogroup=1" "noautogroup=true" Feb 08 13:55:51 whatever you wish, I would use just noautogroup Feb 08 13:56:13 and make sure it ends up in /proc/cmdline Feb 08 13:56:38 for that test, you can also put "paula_bean_is_brillant" Feb 08 13:57:19 verify it with sysctl kernel.sched_autogroup_enabled Feb 08 13:57:52 man sysctl. would show another way about how to disable it Feb 08 13:57:56 aholler: it says 1 Feb 08 13:58:07 what does /proc/cmdline say? Feb 08 13:58:41 aholler: i also wrote "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/sched_autogroup_enabled" Feb 08 13:58:48 it turns to 0 Feb 08 13:59:01 but after restart it was again 1 Feb 08 13:59:08 what does /proc/cmdline say? Feb 08 13:59:28 pastebin your uEnv.txt Feb 08 13:59:41 av500: console=ttyS2,115200n8 mpurate=auto buddy=unknown camera=none vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768-16@60 omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait Feb 08 14:00:00 so, you did *not* change your command line Feb 08 14:00:28 av500: i changed only uEnv.txt Feb 08 14:00:55 http://pastebin.com/cy7DCC79 Feb 08 14:01:06 that wont work Feb 08 14:01:26 put noautogroup after rootwait Feb 08 14:01:55 aholler: yes, but still uenv.txt is very misleading to a newcomer Feb 08 14:02:13 because one has to know that the cmdline is assembled from only a few select vers Feb 08 14:02:17 koen: ^^^ Feb 08 14:02:20 vars Feb 08 14:02:21 not my problem if they can't read the documentation for u-boot Feb 08 14:02:36 or what I've written in the commit msg Feb 08 14:02:40 aholler i cant add smt. to /proc/cmdline Feb 08 14:02:51 what have you written? Feb 08 14:02:54 aholler: ^^ Feb 08 14:03:25 parana: as I said, put it after rootwait sot that the line reads rootfstype=ext3 rootwait noautogroup Feb 08 14:03:25 parana: you CANNOT edit /proc/cmdline Feb 08 14:04:03 av500: as i said. I cannot edit /proc/cmdline Feb 08 14:04:12 maybe someone could add additional_cmds to the vars the u-boot-init-script adds to the cmdline Feb 08 14:04:19 it's a 5min job Feb 08 14:06:51 aholler: can I put a full cmdline into uEnv.txt? Feb 08 14:07:14 sorry for not beeing prepared for the new target group of beagle* Feb 08 14:07:17 aholler: but adding a put_addiotional_stuff_here= line would be nice in uenv Feb 08 14:08:09 ahaa... so i can write cmdline = {oldone} + noautogroup ? Feb 08 14:08:25 in uEnv.txt Feb 08 14:08:35 parana: just add noautogroup to any of the options there Feb 08 14:08:40 as already suggested Feb 08 14:08:52 [15:01:26] put noautogroup after rootwait Feb 08 14:08:54 av500: some could also add something like full_cmdline, the u-boot-init could test if that isn't empty and afterwards just use that instead of constructing a cmdline Feb 08 14:09:16 av500: http://pastebin.com/nsB36Xg1 Feb 08 14:09:21 aholler: wouldnt "cmdline" overwrite uboot default alreadyß Feb 08 14:09:23 ? Feb 08 14:09:26 i have allready added but not worked Feb 08 14:09:33 no Feb 08 14:09:42 [15:08:51] [15:01:26] put noautogroup after rootwait Feb 08 14:09:57 av500: don't know, would have to look at u-boot ;) Feb 08 14:10:00 ok Feb 08 14:10:57 aholler: I can understand that you are reluctant to do that :) Feb 08 14:11:09 av500: not worked again Feb 08 14:11:39 http://pastebin.com/3jw7tMUB Feb 08 14:12:15 I've already got famous for exchanging a O with an 0 without doing that ;) Feb 08 14:12:41 parana: what does /proc/cmdline say? Feb 08 14:13:14 same as the old one Feb 08 14:14:35 what editor you are using to change uEnv.txt? Feb 08 14:14:51 gedit Feb 08 14:15:13 at least a linux one ;) Feb 08 14:15:21 parana: interrupt uboot and do a printevn before you boot Feb 08 14:15:21 :) Feb 08 14:15:24 printenv Feb 08 14:15:30 av500: ok Feb 08 14:16:43 av500: http://pastebin.com/qPb1RNTx But i added that noautogroup=1 line manually and noautogroup to bootargs Feb 08 14:17:30 that doesn't work Feb 08 14:17:58 use mmcrootfstype=ext3 rootwait noautogroup Feb 08 14:18:10 instead of rootfstype=ext3 rootwait Feb 08 14:18:55 * av500 now wonders what exactly uenv.txt did improve.... Feb 08 14:19:21 * av500 also wonders if uboot is Turing complete, then we dont need to boot linux at all.... Feb 08 14:19:53 http://pastebin.com/Wc538SUT Feb 08 14:20:00 aholler: ^ ok? Feb 08 14:20:09 no Feb 08 14:20:14 parana: can you read? Feb 08 14:20:18 no newline after rootwait Feb 08 14:20:27 just a space Feb 08 14:20:39 aholler: i also tried that but ok i will change Feb 08 14:21:50 av500: with uEnv.txt i set adresses for usb otg port and i solved lcd flickering problem Feb 08 14:22:29 av500: aholler: ok it worked :) Feb 08 14:22:55 adding this line "mmcrootfstype=ext3 rootwait noautogroup" Feb 08 14:23:07 anyway, reading that printenv [mmc]rootfstype isn't used anywhere, so someone changed the init Feb 08 14:23:30 it would not be rootfstype -> it would be mmcrootfstype Feb 08 14:23:43 thx aholler and av500 Feb 08 14:23:43 aholler: yes, relying on 2 files to keep in sync is always asking for fail :) Feb 08 14:23:47 but console is still used, so add noautogroup to the end of console Feb 08 14:25:04 I patched my kernel with this http://pastebin.ca/2097986, I rebuilt it, the print shows up in dmesg but no spidev device in /dev, any idea what could be missing? Feb 08 14:25:09 optargs=noautogroup could work too Feb 08 14:25:46 aholler: but my executable not works faster Feb 08 14:26:04 why should it? Feb 08 14:26:20 aholler: so an empty optargs line there would be a nice placeholder, no? Feb 08 14:26:20 he does trial and error ;) Feb 08 14:26:26 aholler: yesterday you said check things like CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP Feb 08 14:26:36 av500: it looks like it is already Feb 08 14:27:07 so an empty optargs (optargs=) in uEnv.txt could help some people Feb 08 14:27:08 and today i read about it , and they generally said after disabling autogroup their system/program works faster Feb 08 14:27:45 parana: I just said that might be one of the reasons. Feb 08 14:28:00 but that depends on what happens on your beagle, which I don't know Feb 08 14:28:32 av500: it should be, because when i had 2.6.36 kernel my program worked in 30fps and now with 3.0.14+ kernel it works in 5-6fps Feb 08 14:29:02 parana: you are only guessing around Feb 08 14:29:16 instead of sitting down and finding out what has changed and why it is slower Feb 08 14:29:23 and wasting peoples time Feb 08 14:29:27 including yours Feb 08 14:30:19 av500: how can i look what is changed? Feb 08 14:30:47 parana: this SW, you have the source code? Feb 08 14:31:34 source code of angstrom? Feb 08 14:31:55 parana: "my program" Feb 08 14:32:05 aah yes of course, i wrote it Feb 08 14:32:13 very good Feb 08 14:32:25 so use your SW and printf() to find out what is slower Feb 08 14:33:53 ok.. i will. Feb 08 14:33:57 thx Feb 08 14:34:08 a pleasure Feb 08 14:39:35 * aholler waits until watterott has polymorph before ordering new toys ;) Feb 08 14:40:31 a xenomorph would be more interesting Feb 08 14:40:43 aholler: howdy.... Feb 08 14:40:48 I missed what went on.... Feb 08 14:40:55 newb frustrations? Feb 08 14:41:08 uenv frustration Feb 08 14:41:12 koen: xenomorph? Feb 08 14:43:58 aholler: the h.r. giger aliens Feb 08 14:45:41 ah, didn't know they are called xenomorph ;) Feb 08 15:07:52 but building a xenomorph using polymorph looks doable ;) Feb 08 15:15:59 jkridner: got email, registration sent. thanks ;) Feb 08 15:19:51 sure. if you know of other cape developers, please encourage them to get on the spreadsheet and contact CircuitCo as well. Feb 08 15:21:38 will do. Feb 08 15:22:28 I don't think there are other apes in production yet Feb 08 15:23:13 * av500 has seen many apes Feb 08 15:23:52 XD Feb 08 15:24:16 maybe they are all pre-production models? Feb 08 15:24:22 but they did re-production Feb 08 15:34:06 dwery: it looks like https://gitorious.org/linux-can/can-utils/commits/master is the place to be Feb 08 15:39:35 anyone know if the meta-texasinstrument layer is usable with Poky 6.0 "included" in yocto? Feb 08 15:40:32 koen: but there's one year gap between commits in 2011 and 2012... Feb 08 15:46:35 socketcan is hosted at berlios: http://developer.berlios.de/svn/?group_id=6475 Feb 08 15:47:07 hurry up, berlios will close :( Feb 08 15:47:38 * dwery would love if everyone moves to github... Feb 08 15:48:13 you like single point of failures? Feb 08 15:48:54 FBI will shut down github and steal the servers Feb 08 15:49:13 hollywood will help them ;) Feb 08 15:49:17 I wonder why nobody started base64 encoding movies and hosting them on github... Feb 08 15:49:53 too much work? :) Feb 08 15:50:59 why base64? just put the blobs into the repo Feb 08 15:54:42 and use a commit which replaces the stuff for hiding it from the noobs Feb 08 15:55:51 aholler: a lot :D Feb 08 16:09:02 Are pull-ups required on the SPI pins? (similar to what is required on I2C pins) Feb 08 16:11:10 I see no mention of SPI peripherals in the checklist http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Schematic_Checklist Feb 08 16:11:12 jsabeaudry: usually not, but check the device you're trying to communicate to Feb 08 16:11:34 there's also some spidev documentation in the Documentation folder fo the linux kernel (and a test program) Feb 08 16:11:49 dwery, The device is a scope for now :) Feb 08 16:12:18 jsabeaudry: use the test program and bridge MISO and MOSI Feb 08 16:12:29 that should give you some echo Feb 08 16:12:46 dwery, Alright I'll see if the test program can make the pins wiggle more than just writing to /dev/spidev1.0 Feb 08 16:14:13 uhm.. it should be spidev2.x, IIRC Feb 08 16:14:45 hello all, does anybody know a nice tool to load x-load.bin file to beagleboard using serial? Feb 08 16:14:59 bbl Feb 08 16:15:11 I'm trying to use pserial, but it's not working Feb 08 16:15:16 dwery, Oh so SPI1 is bound to spidev2.0? Feb 08 16:16:00 jsabeaudry: iirc, yes Feb 08 16:16:06 can't check right now Feb 08 16:16:12 dwery, Indeed it is! My scope is happy now SWEET! Feb 08 16:16:17 great Feb 08 16:16:48 fraviofii: use pserial Feb 08 16:17:01 the test program has an option for device and speed, nice to have with a slow scope like mine :D Feb 08 16:17:15 bbl Feb 08 16:17:24 av500: it is not working Feb 08 16:18:10 av500: I looked at the source code. It waits for an 0x04 byte, but it receives 0xe6 from the serial port Feb 08 16:19:33 av500: additional information, I'm using beagleboard rev C, not beagleboard-xm Feb 08 16:23:18 on trying to remove pl2303 i get : rmmod pl2303 ERROR: Module usbserial is in use by pl2303 Feb 08 16:23:30 how to get rid of this ... ? Feb 08 16:23:42 rmmod usbserial Feb 08 16:23:49 ah no Feb 08 16:24:18 pl2303 is using usbserial Feb 08 16:24:21 wont let me remove that either Feb 08 16:25:21 fraviofii: i wasn't able to make pserial work either… my board is OMAP3503 ES 3.1 for what it's worth Feb 08 16:25:25 ok got it ... my serial terminal was holding it Feb 08 16:28:11 jay6981: Do you watch the data that comes from the processor? Feb 08 16:28:29 yeah Feb 08 16:28:58 jay6981: and what do you get? Feb 08 16:29:28 everything works except the part where it jumps to executes my code :) Feb 08 16:29:58 jay6981: humm Feb 08 16:30:16 jay6981: in my case, I can't receive the 0x04 byte Feb 08 16:30:38 do you get the asic id? Feb 08 16:30:43 nops Feb 08 16:30:56 so you never see anything on serial? Feb 08 16:30:58 I receive something Feb 08 16:31:21 yes ... I receive some data, but I cannot identify what it is Feb 08 16:31:25 fraviofii: have you reviewed OMAP35x TRM section 25? Feb 08 16:31:47 jay6981: yes Feb 08 16:32:27 can it be a problem with usb-serial converter? Feb 08 16:32:41 or a problem with xon-off Feb 08 16:32:45 xon-xoff Feb 08 16:32:47 ? Feb 08 16:32:49 both could be an issue i think Feb 08 16:33:26 i'll try in a pc ... i'll be right back Feb 08 16:41:38 aholler: I distrust pretty much every project using svn Feb 08 16:42:05 and cvs? Feb 08 16:42:20 even worse Feb 08 16:42:20 i'm back ... same thing Feb 08 16:42:34 everyone knows you can only trust .zip files on anonftp Feb 08 16:51:43 jay6891: for omap3503, I saw an utility called DownloadUtil Feb 08 16:51:52 jay6891: but I haven't tested Feb 08 16:53:06 jay6891: in my case, every time I turn on the board, I have a different message sent to the serial Feb 08 16:53:14 fraviofii: i ended up writing my own serial loader Feb 08 16:53:33 i spent about 2 weeks trying to get the board to boot from usb or serial Feb 08 16:53:44 i can imagine Feb 08 16:53:53 :-) Feb 08 16:55:08 ok this is insane... im running ubuntu kernel shows this : 2.6.38-10-generic-pae... i downloaded the source for 2.6.38 compiled a driver... insmodded it... says invalid version.... Feb 08 16:55:29 even a -f forcing the module wont load it... Feb 08 16:55:30 I would like to know what is the correct initial correct asic id that should be sent by the processor to the serial Feb 08 16:55:56 its in the TRM, no? Feb 08 16:56:43 there is a table (25-13) which describes the asic structure Feb 08 16:57:21 but every time i turn on the board, I have different response Feb 08 16:57:58 fraviofii: is your usb-serial bridge chip resetting also? Feb 08 16:58:43 jay6981: I'm using directly a serial from a pc Feb 08 16:58:48 ah Feb 08 16:58:49 good Feb 08 17:20:47 hello Feb 08 17:21:22 I have a very few easy questions, is there anyone to answer me Feb 08 17:22:34 * av500 only does hard questions Feb 08 17:22:37 well I don't quite know how this works, so I'm just gonna put my question so if anyone knows the answer... Feb 08 17:23:00 I actually just heard about this board today Feb 08 17:23:11 just ask, dont ask to ask Feb 08 17:23:18 sorry Feb 08 17:25:20 I have an asignment, to make online house protection system, and at first I planned to use arduino board to control, and be server: is there any way to use this board instead for that? So can I connect sensors, outputs to control devices and configure an server using it Feb 08 17:34:20 beginner: maybe look through http://beagleboard.org/project and see if someone are working on something similar. Feb 08 17:37:57 Thank you. No I just want to know is that teoreticaly possible, so I can start learn and work on it from the begining, I have a deadline to decide between two boards and this one is brand new for me Feb 08 17:38:16 koen: there are still some projects which have started before git was available Feb 08 17:38:41 and don't ask about the company I've currently doing work for Feb 08 17:40:00 beginner: it is possible… it is just software and a little HW interfacing Feb 08 17:40:32 beginner: it runs linux.... whaetver linux can do it can do really..... Feb 08 17:48:50 Well, I suppose you all know this board very well, do you think it would be more dificult to configure web server, requests from client and control devices on this board than it would be on samo other board like arduino. Feb 08 17:49:04 P.S: Thank you all very much Feb 08 17:50:10 beginner: another word of advice... just do it in a platform you feel comfortable in... if you are good with arduino do that.... Feb 08 18:02:19 basically with usb you can connect anything as long as you have (or can write) a driver for it. Feb 08 18:04:05 beginner: I agree with what arcanescu said. find the environment that fits your needs. I think many (if not most) people that are using the BeagleBoard or BeagleBone fill more comfortable and at ease using Linux and choose that over the Arduino environment Feb 08 18:11:37 etheretic: please dont mention usb... im having a nightmare with it... I feeel like shooting a usb port just because im so pi**** Feb 08 18:12:27 arcanescu: okay, shan't. 8) Feb 08 18:12:44 thank you :) Feb 08 18:16:50 aholler: OE went from cvs to bitkeeper to monotone to git Feb 08 18:17:02 aholler: there's no excuse to stay with cvs/svn :) Feb 08 19:00:14 but learning git is haaaard. Feb 08 19:01:25 pfft, only a little. Feb 08 19:01:47 the progit book is good. Feb 08 19:18:15 Can I power the BeagleBoardXM from the 5V pin on the expansion header? Feb 08 19:19:15 I must admit that I still hate git Feb 08 19:19:21 ha ha ha Feb 08 19:19:23 but I hate cvs and svn even more Feb 08 19:20:37 dwery: let me know which (mix of) canutils repo(s) you prefer and I'll update angstrom Feb 08 19:20:48 well git is usable as a not-too-bad frontend to svn :) Feb 08 19:20:56 koen: hehe Feb 08 19:21:28 jno: yes you can with some restrictions to current load and making sure that you don't try to power the device from the usb otg port at the same time Feb 08 19:23:00 but I'm essentially bypassing the safeties built in to the beagle? Feb 08 19:23:01 koen: socketcan svn Feb 08 19:23:22 koen: can we also have iproute2 by default? Feb 08 19:23:39 just use git to access svn-repos Feb 08 19:23:58 git svn init;git svn fetch; job done Feb 08 19:24:40 dwery: I added iproute2 this morning Feb 08 19:24:44 git svn clone $url Feb 08 19:24:47 done. Feb 08 19:24:50 * dwery happy Feb 08 19:25:02 http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.02-core-beaglebone-2012.02.08.img.xz Feb 08 19:25:28 that has canutils (albeit the wrong one) and iproute2 Feb 08 19:25:42 nice Feb 08 19:26:34 prpplague: what are the current restrictions using the expansion pin? Related to via and pin current limits? Feb 08 19:26:43 koen: ty Feb 08 19:27:12 hmm, git svn clone must be new, didn't know that ;) Feb 08 19:27:56 <_av500_> try: git fix-my-bug-test-and-push Feb 08 19:28:15 thats easy, git reset --hard HEAD^1 Feb 08 19:28:53 koen: angstrom kernel for the bon has been changed, right? I see it's downloading 3.2-r2c+gitr83d907e1b05dabc44f3bb64532d7b58d059a14c0 Feb 08 19:28:54 no need for a push ;) Feb 08 19:29:01 LetoThe2nd: don't forget -s if you have that trunk/branches/tags layout Feb 08 19:29:08 dwery: yep Feb 08 19:29:16 <_av500_> aholler: I dont do reset hard, I am soft spoken Feb 08 19:29:45 koen: I should rebase my patch Feb 08 19:29:48 dwery: https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/beaglebone-3.2 is one or 2 patches behind, but will get rebased to the shipping kernel soon Feb 08 19:29:57 koen: don't know that one yet... Feb 08 19:30:15 koen: ok, I'll wortk on that git Feb 08 19:30:23 <_av500_> koen: what, a git tree with an uptodate kernel? what happened to tgz and patches? Feb 08 19:30:54 the end of the world is near ;) Feb 08 19:30:54 _av500_: that git tree is for thos, like me, who don't like patches ;) Feb 08 19:31:09 https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/blob/beaglebone-release-201202/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp_3.2.bb is still the canonical source Feb 08 19:31:39 <_av500_> dwery: hmmm, the koen i know would have /ignored you :) Feb 08 19:31:56 _av500_: I didn't ask, it just happened :D Feb 08 19:32:09 <_av500_> must be the belgian beer Feb 08 19:32:20 *burp* Feb 08 19:32:49 _av500_: the same they use for coating floors? Feb 08 19:32:59 dwery: CAN question: can I run IP over can? Feb 08 19:33:29 koen: uhm... I think I saw an implementation Feb 08 19:33:51 koen: you could with the right configuration Feb 08 19:33:53 I can write my own 'tunnel', but I was hoping for something off the shelf Feb 08 19:34:04 koen: it would be more like running a ppp over a serial connection Feb 08 19:34:13 koen: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/IPoCAN-26063.shtml found this, but seems quite old Feb 08 19:34:23 dwery: as you might have guessed, I need a CAN demo for Embedded World next month Feb 08 19:34:30 jno: iirc the max for the connector is 2A for one pin Feb 08 19:34:57 <_av500_> koen: tunnel can in cac, call it can-can Feb 08 19:35:02 <_av500_> in can Feb 08 19:35:05 koen: you go to a lot of conference ;) Feb 08 19:35:05 hello, can i use pandaboard's 5v 3.6A dc adapter with beagleboard or do i have to get a lower 2.5A one? Feb 08 19:35:06 dwery: it looks like your board is going to be featured Feb 08 19:35:06 koen: i think i have a couple CAN gpio expanders that would work well for demos Feb 08 19:35:10 (s) Feb 08 19:35:15 koen: wow! Feb 08 19:35:19 thanks alot! Feb 08 19:35:24 prp: yes you can Feb 08 19:35:27 can't even spell right :D Feb 08 19:35:46 prpplague: that motto seems not to be the luckiest one :D Feb 08 19:35:52 Alright thanks Feb 08 19:35:56 dwery: ?? Feb 08 19:36:05 <_av500_> obamacan Feb 08 19:36:15 koen: do you want me to dig some up and bring them to elc? Feb 08 19:36:22 _av500_: XD Feb 08 19:36:27 prpplague: just a joke Feb 08 19:36:31 prpplague: you are going to ELC? Feb 08 19:36:44 prpplague: CAN gpio? interesting, do you have a link? Feb 08 19:36:48 av500: you'll love http://www.enneenne.com/index.php?appl=menu&request=Projects&name=ipocan Feb 08 19:36:48 ds2: yea, presenting on thursday afternoon Feb 08 19:36:58 prpplague: yes please Feb 08 19:37:03 koen: hmm, we could make a deal, I'm having a can-monitor lying around here ;) Feb 08 19:37:16 dwery: one sec Feb 08 19:37:23 prpplague: nice. thought you had a conflict? Feb 08 19:37:48 dwery: for the last demo I used http://qcanobserver.sourceforge.net/ Feb 08 19:37:57 ad mode on: you CAN get a CAN cape for you bone, right now.. http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/ 'till supplies last... Feb 08 19:37:58 <_av500_> koen: woot, 2.4 Feb 08 19:38:03 ds2: yea i do, but i was able to free up for just 2 days, thursday and friday Feb 08 19:38:18 _av500_: and ftp download Feb 08 19:38:22 koen: never tried that monitor, but looks nice Feb 08 19:38:33 ipocan is quite old.. Feb 08 19:39:15 <_av500_> koen: my kinda project Feb 08 19:39:35 dwery: http://search.digikey.com/us/en/cat/integrated-circuits-ics/interface-i-o-expanders/2556690?k=mcp25020 Feb 08 19:39:51 prpplague: I got one of them... I just hate it Feb 08 19:39:53 ewwwwwwwww Feb 08 19:39:59 * ds2 runs screaming away from that part Feb 08 19:40:10 dwery: the mcp25020 ? Feb 08 19:40:18 yes Feb 08 19:40:37 interesting, i never had any problems with it Feb 08 19:40:45 * prpplague wonders what the complaints are about it Feb 08 19:40:50 prpplague: yes. theri configuration utility is buggy. and the part is write once so, while you can reconfigure it via can, you have to get the base configuration right Feb 08 19:41:00 it is to damn complex for what it should be doing Feb 08 19:41:08 ds2: agreed Feb 08 19:41:11 look at the pca6xxx (I think) parts Feb 08 19:41:17 it is like 4 registers and you are done Feb 08 19:41:20 ahh interesting Feb 08 19:41:47 * _av500_ prefers 4 resisters Feb 08 19:41:57 I prefer none ;) Feb 08 19:42:12 I want 0 wire interconnects Feb 08 19:42:23 koen: well i guess you probably won't want the mcp25020 one that i have then Feb 08 19:42:29 (take that, 1wire!) Feb 08 19:42:35 Is it just me or do "Upcoming Events" on beagleboard.org show "busy" for every day? Feb 08 19:42:44 koen: i did about 20 of them as a test for the barker Feb 08 19:42:44 <_av500_> yes Feb 08 19:42:55 prpplague: I however agree that for a demo they would work right Feb 08 19:43:51 ds2: what's that pca6xxx ? Feb 08 19:44:06 dwery: a I2C port expander from then Philips, now NXP Feb 08 19:44:20 dwery: much much more trivial to use Feb 08 19:44:38 ds2: no CAN then :( Feb 08 19:44:40 ds2: yea this was mainly for a CAN bus item Feb 08 19:45:02 did I misread that P/N? thought the MCP25xxx family are all GPIO expanders? Feb 08 19:45:21 ds2: they are, but the mcp25020 is CAN bus gpio expander Feb 08 19:45:23 or are they playing games and adding things to the family? Feb 08 19:45:26 ah Feb 08 19:45:50 still don't like that family of parts Feb 08 19:47:16 ds2: you are just a family hater Feb 08 19:47:27 I guess I am! Feb 08 19:47:28 :D Feb 08 19:47:46 now the AM3xx's...that's a diff story ;) Feb 08 19:47:54 * _av500_ tskes ds2 to the back room and shows him some NAND-expanders Feb 08 19:48:18 _av500_: are you ELC'ing? Feb 08 19:48:34 <_av500_> ds2: nah, ran out of free plane tickets Feb 08 19:48:44 Hm. Is slow usb wifi known to be slow on current am335x kernels? several wifi dongles are performing terribly, < 10Kb/s... Feb 08 19:49:03 I'm on the beagle bone. Feb 08 19:49:50 adding some flesh might help ;) Feb 08 19:50:26 upgrade to a beaglebone R Feb 08 19:50:42 Linux omap 3.2.0-psp1, using Robert's latest hardfloat kernel Feb 08 19:52:12 tried it with rtl8192cu and rt2870 Feb 08 19:52:45 LetoThe2nd: beaglebone R? Feb 08 19:53:36 what is a hardfloat kernel? Feb 08 19:54:18 armhf kernel Feb 08 19:54:29 <_av500_> aholler: ricer kernel Feb 08 19:54:45 as opposed to soft float compile Feb 08 19:55:43 to be precise, it's probably the user land stuff that was compiled with hf options. So I mean hard float image and not kernel. sorry Feb 08 19:56:13 anyway, does not seem to be a well know issue then... Feb 08 19:58:14 ok, thanks for listening, carry on ;) Feb 08 20:14:35 ds2: you'll have to join me in the front row of koen presentation.... Feb 08 20:15:00 holla Feb 08 20:15:22 holla Feb 08 20:18:23 prpplague: heh, okay. what's time is it? Feb 08 20:19:15 * prpplague checks the schedule Feb 08 20:19:28 thought you had it up... I can check later Feb 08 20:20:01 ds2: 11:30 on friday, same room as yours Feb 08 20:20:12 ah Feb 08 20:26:12 mattzz: you do know that the kernel doesn't use any floating point, right? Feb 08 20:27:34 koen: yes, I do now ;) I was referring to the armhf image from rcn-ee and not the kernel itself. Feb 08 20:31:43 koen: are you physically doing anything with the bone or just talking about it at ELC? Feb 08 20:32:49 ds2: the presentation is running on the bone Feb 08 20:33:14 koen: nice. Feb 08 20:33:28 might use the bone for a demo; trying not to overlap Feb 08 20:34:56 use the same bone, so it's impossible to overlap ;) Feb 08 20:35:31 except I want to hog wild on the I2C bus and blow away the EEPROM...others might not like that ;) Feb 08 20:36:07 connect a lego nxt. ;) Feb 08 20:36:34 I'll see what HW I can rig up in the next 5 days along with a kernel to go with it Feb 08 20:36:43 3.3V does make it a $@!#!@$@!#!@ Feb 08 20:36:52 agreed Feb 08 20:37:26 can't reuse my other BB stuff w/o a lot of research Feb 08 20:37:54 demo how to attach a level shifter Feb 08 20:38:10 I assume that would make many people happy ;) Feb 08 20:38:39 a level shifter cape ;) Feb 08 20:40:17 blah Feb 08 20:40:19 I don't do capes Feb 08 20:40:23 I do expansion boards :P Feb 08 20:42:51 I still wonder who invented the word "cape" Feb 08 20:43:36 just trying to be cool, like 'shield' for arduino Feb 08 20:43:40 it isn't so much a naming thing Feb 08 20:43:56 for the stuff I am doing, there isn't resources to blow on all the eeproms Feb 08 20:44:15 We'll generally refer to them as "capes" because Underdog is a beagle and he wears a cape. Feb 08 20:44:20 who is underdog? Feb 08 20:44:27 since it isn't what is described as a cape, I will not call them as such to avoid confusion Feb 08 20:44:28 a cartoon character Feb 08 20:44:53 names should be useful Feb 08 20:45:10 ds2: are you finding a (profitable) market for bone accessories? Feb 08 20:45:49 * dwery googles for underdog Feb 08 20:46:13 bone accessories as in? Feb 08 20:46:24 as in capes? XD Feb 08 20:46:24 * prpplague can't believe people have not heard of Underdog Feb 08 20:46:37 'em kidz Feb 08 20:46:53 ds2: as in anything designed for bone Feb 08 20:47:31 prpplague: possibly Feb 08 20:47:38 * jay6981 can't believe people don't know everything he knows Feb 08 20:48:37 ds2: i ran the numbers a bunch and just didn't see any profit in it Feb 08 20:49:24 prpplague: depends on COGS Feb 08 20:50:19 ds2: yea Feb 08 20:51:32 prpplague: someone has to do it Feb 08 20:51:41 it's a mission Feb 08 20:52:45 aholler: iirc it's called a cape due to the notch for the ethernet connector Feb 08 20:52:48 dwery: hehe, sure, plenty of people can do it, but my intention is to make money, not waste time, hehe Feb 08 20:53:11 prpplague: then you must find a cape that everyone wants ;) Feb 08 20:53:20 dwery: the 3.2 kernel can readout the cape eeprom nowadays, that should make support a bit easier Feb 08 20:53:37 koen: I'm rebasing the patch right now Feb 08 20:55:46 koen: uhm.. d_can patch failed. newer meta-ti? Feb 08 20:58:48 dwery: just because people want it, doesn't mean it is profitable or practical Feb 08 20:59:10 words of wisdom Feb 08 20:59:35 prpplague: right. but I'd try it ;) Feb 08 21:00:04 profit is overrated anyways Feb 08 21:00:17 absolutely. Feb 08 21:00:26 yeah, arent we all in this just for the fun ;) Feb 08 21:04:37 dwery: hehe, let me know how your business turns out, hehe Feb 08 21:06:42 prpplague: quite funny 'till now ;) Feb 08 21:07:21 dwery: ?? Feb 08 21:07:37 brb Feb 08 21:11:37 dwery: sorry i did not understand your last statement " prpplague: quite funny 'till now ;)" Feb 08 21:12:51 prpplague: my business: http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/ Feb 08 21:13:31 Can you manipulate the bone pinmux by just tweaking stuff in /sys ? Feb 08 21:15:03 dwery: ahh, decent looking and at a reasonable price. similar to the barker board we did Feb 08 21:16:27 prpplague: ty Feb 08 21:16:52 dwery: 71quid seems pricey for the bone market, are you getting much sales at that rate? Feb 08 21:17:04 dwery: looks cool Feb 08 21:17:42 dwery: sorry for some reason i was thinking quid but thats euros Feb 08 21:18:00 prpplague: the web site is up since a couple of days.. sales aren't that hight right now ;) Feb 08 21:18:38 prpplague: the price would be lowered if mass produced, but the market isn't wide enough Feb 08 21:18:42 jay6981: ty Feb 08 21:20:12 I might add a "donate" button :D Feb 08 21:20:55 dwery: you have to be careful about that Feb 08 21:22:17 dwery: http://netprofitstoday.com/blog/thinking-about-using-that-paypal-donate-button-to-your-blog/ Feb 08 21:23:03 "Buy me a beer" should do :D Feb 08 21:23:47 the pizza and beer fund should never run dry Feb 08 21:57:34 koen: do you have a .config for that kernel? Feb 08 22:11:51 TheAlphaNerd -- was it you that was giving me advice the other day? Feb 08 22:15:52 dwery: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/blob/4a759de7bb1529bffbeea2c2a28eff076c29b6e5/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2/beaglebone/defconfig Feb 08 22:16:13 dwery: or zcat /proc/config.gz after booting Feb 08 22:16:56 ty Feb 08 22:25:07 peterwoo: we were chatting Feb 08 22:25:20 I don't know if I can vouch for my advise though :P Feb 08 22:27:06 btw … YAY got the resolution working on my monitor Feb 08 22:29:21 thank you for the link to those scripts. got the bone booting oneric, trying debian now to see if the boot time is any better (probably not :\) Feb 08 22:32:45 your cards will make the difference Feb 08 22:33:05 and I'm glad its working :D Feb 08 22:38:25 uhm... opkg upgrade broke everything, need to reinstall from scratch Feb 08 22:42:29 capacity, class or vendor? Feb 08 22:43:37 dwery: did someone say to upgrade? it hs been borked since forever. Feb 08 22:43:48 djlewis: didn't know :D Feb 08 22:45:20 sometimes you get lucky and it doesn't break... but that's kinda rare Feb 08 22:49:46 any suggested sd card image? Feb 08 22:52:44 yeah, i mentioned before that it would be nice to have that feature blocked at the upgrade site. Feb 08 22:52:53 until it is made right Feb 08 22:53:11 for now I think it is there for an exercise for newbies :) Feb 08 23:03:10 has anyone used the netinstall script? Feb 08 23:10:04 peterwoo: I tried the netinstall Feb 08 23:10:09 it takes a long time to build Feb 08 23:10:15 and involves a lot more tweeking Feb 08 23:10:24 is anyone around who can explain some x11 stuff to me? Feb 08 23:12:55 its a windowing system Feb 08 23:13:09 so I'm trying to run the SGX demos Feb 08 23:13:22 if I try to do it from the console it says there is no windows to use Feb 08 23:13:26 (from the hdmi) Feb 08 23:13:30 if I ssh in with -X Feb 08 23:13:32 it will work Feb 08 23:13:45 but the displays console session is still live underneath Feb 08 23:14:26 x needs to be running first Feb 08 23:14:35 fire it up then run the demo Feb 08 23:14:51 what's the command to run x ? Feb 08 23:14:52 Xorg? Feb 08 23:14:58 startx Feb 08 23:14:58 I don't have a gui Feb 08 23:15:41 startx will get you a windowing system Feb 08 23:15:47 and there's supposed to be nothing on stdout while netinstall is working away? Feb 08 23:16:24 smplman: do you have any experience with rsync? Feb 08 23:16:25 peterwoo: ubuntu? Feb 08 23:16:33 TheAlphaNerd: not really Feb 08 23:16:54 TheAlphaNerd: what are you trying to do? Feb 08 23:16:57 running from ubuntu, installing debian Feb 08 23:17:24 wellright now I've been making images of my linux builds Feb 08 23:17:36 peterwoo: then i would say no Feb 08 23:17:49 TheAlphaNerd: what are you trying to do? Feb 08 23:18:04 well I want to keep a staged backup of my system Feb 08 23:18:08 incase I fuck things up Feb 08 23:18:28 get some extra sd cards Feb 08 23:18:35 I have them Feb 08 23:18:37 and I'm making images Feb 08 23:18:45 but I know people use rsync to keep stages backups Feb 08 23:19:16 you could just use some folders to organize the images at different milestones Feb 08 23:19:26 how often will you be backing up? Feb 08 23:19:27 that's what I'm doing right now Feb 08 23:19:34 btu everytime I back up I need to take the system offline Feb 08 23:19:55 and why dont you just back up the data you need instead of the entire system image? Feb 08 23:20:47 how long might it take -- hours, or HOURS? Feb 08 23:21:12 peterwoo: if you host machine is good, hours Feb 08 23:21:16 your* Feb 08 23:21:27 for what ? Feb 08 23:21:28 backup Feb 08 23:21:36 I can backup the image using dd in like 40 minutes max Feb 08 23:21:41 peterwoo: depends on your card speed, too. http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html Feb 08 23:21:44 but there are programs like rsync deisnged to do this Feb 08 23:22:05 k... aborting, will run over night. thanks for the info Feb 08 23:22:08 AHHH that is the one I was talking about before Feb 08 23:22:27 peterwoo: netinstall took me HOURS.. and then didn't work properly Feb 08 23:22:33 TheAlphaNerd: you could also back up the majority of the RFS in a couple of minuets Feb 08 23:53:05 smplman: in regards to the x11 stuff… startx is not found **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 00:04:03 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 00:12:17 2012 Feb 09 00:19:25 anyone here used Narcissus to make an Angstrom image? Feb 09 00:22:11 sure Feb 09 00:25:18 is there a way to use it for SD cards with >4GB capacity? Feb 09 00:26:50 does not matter you have the option to setup your SD how you like in size. Feb 09 00:27:10 I think one narcissus option is to create a 2gb image Feb 09 00:29:04 it spit out a rootfs .tar.gz as well as .img images for 1GB and 4GB cards Feb 09 00:29:17 later . . . Feb 09 00:30:06 the images are not just for 1 gb or 4gb cards Feb 09 00:30:12 the images will work on any size card Feb 09 00:30:23 and you will need to properly set up your boot partition as well Feb 09 00:36:58 the same way as if i were installing the demo image "the hard way"? Feb 09 00:45:32 download a tar.gz rather than an image Feb 09 00:45:46 if that's what you did **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 00:58:30 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 01:10:18 2012 Feb 09 01:13:10 thank you, TheAlphaNerd, for all your help Feb 09 01:14:25 from among the angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone files, should i have a preference between e.g. u-boot.img and u-boot-beaglebone.img? (likewise MLO vs MLO-beaglebone etc) Feb 09 01:14:56 not sure Feb 09 01:15:04 sorry brosky Feb 09 01:15:26 no problem. guess it's not difficult to try each, once the partitions are set up Feb 09 02:05:27 I have a bitbake question... Feb 09 02:06:05 About a month ago I did bitbake virtual/kernel and successfully got the 3.0.9 kernel. Feb 09 02:06:31 Now I'd like to pull down the latest kernel. How do I do that via bitbake? Feb 09 02:10:47 so I'm having a problem with jack Feb 09 02:33:04 Mark_, it depends on where you are pulling your kernel recipes from Feb 09 02:33:18 Mark_, it might just be a git pull, or you might just update the recipe manually Feb 09 02:34:03 Russ, I'm not sure where I'm pulling from. I'm using what ever it defaults to. Feb 09 02:34:16 and 'it' is... Feb 09 02:35:26 It looks like I've been working with "linux-3.0.9-r110a" Feb 09 02:35:32 I'd like to move to 3.1 Feb 09 02:35:52 ok, but where are you getting your recipes, openembedded, angstrom, etc? Feb 09 02:36:02 what collection is your kernel recipe in? Feb 09 02:37:25 Hmmm.... How do I find out? Feb 09 02:39:18 where did you get it from? Feb 09 02:40:12 I followed the directions here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Feb 09 02:41:00 I just did "MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh update" and it says I need bitbake v 15.1, but I have v 15.0. Feb 09 02:42:17 I'm guessing I ran the recipe in oe/souces/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/rlinux-3.0 Feb 09 02:42:29 so it is angstrom Feb 09 02:42:37 Yup. Feb 09 02:43:06 cd sources/bitbake; git pull Feb 09 02:43:24 but oebb update was supposed to do that Feb 09 02:44:29 The git pull did it. I now have v 1.15.1 Feb 09 02:48:12 beagleboard.conf includes omap3.inc, which sets the preferred kernel provider to linux-omap Feb 09 02:50:11 Well, now when I run bitbake virtual/kernel I get the following error. Feb 09 02:50:27 ERROR: No recipes available for: /home/beagle/BeagleBoard/oe/sources/meta-smartphone/meta-openmoko/recipes-multimedia/mplayer/mplayer-common.bbappend /home/beagle/BeagleBoard/oe/sources/meta-openembedded/meta-oe/recipes-extended/lighttpd/lighttpd_1.4.29.bbappend ERROR: Command execution failed: Exited with 1 Feb 09 02:51:02 I must have broken something when I updated. Feb 09 02:51:11 * Russ tests Feb 09 02:53:58 I haven't built in a while, so it has several tasks, but it is on 115 of 1694 Feb 09 02:56:07 anyone having alsa issues with ubuntu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 09 02:59:57 2012