**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 21 02:59:58 2012 Feb 21 03:21:52 Are there any special steps needed to get python and opencv working together? I've already installed the python-opencv opkg, but it fails to pull anything from my webcam device. Feb 21 03:22:14 (I'm using Angstrom-Cloud9 with the beaglebone) Feb 21 04:01:20 the am3517 is indeed a bastard Feb 21 04:24:14 darn, mru is everywhere I turn: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11855 Feb 21 04:37:29 damn pos puts things at different addresses then other members Feb 21 05:15:36 hello, is it possible to check what kernel build option enable, in angstrom Feb 21 05:26:46 multiplex: you mean what the kernel was built with? Feb 21 05:27:10 zcat /proc/config.gz | grep YOUR_OPTION_HERE Feb 21 05:28:25 yes, thanks Feb 21 05:31:59 it was for CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y Feb 21 05:49:52 my exotic usb device don't load cdc_acm Feb 21 05:50:04 usb 1-1.1: no configuration chosen from 0 choices Feb 21 05:50:58 i tried to force with echo 04d8 000a > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/cdc_acm/new_id Feb 21 05:51:15 but that don't work Feb 21 05:53:06 however my avr programmer load with no problem cdc_acm driver Feb 21 05:54:23 cdc_acm is static in default angstrom ? Feb 21 05:55:57 may be echo VID PID >new_id don't work with static module ? Feb 21 06:24:24 your usb device is connected through some usb chip...like ulpi?if that's the case,you have to first enable your ulpi driver ,than cdc_acm will detect it. Feb 21 06:27:30 does http://pastebin.com/gp7eC9X1 seem like something linux would say if overcurrent protection is triggered on ehci? Feb 21 06:42:06 tus Feb 21 06:42:17 * Russ curses his touchpad Feb 21 06:46:45 hitlin37: it's was an usb hub. but without hub i have the same probleme Feb 21 06:46:54 [ 7877.848683] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04d8, idProduct=000a Feb 21 06:47:03 [ 7877.848700] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Feb 21 06:47:10 [ 7877.849173] usb 1-1: no configuration chosen from 0 choices Feb 21 06:47:28 its tables are screwy methinks Feb 21 06:47:59 if that is true, you'd need quirks Feb 21 06:56:18 someone tried arch linux arm ? Feb 21 06:58:22 tasslehoffwrk: you can disable overcurrent protection from /sys/bus/usb/ur_device Feb 21 07:10:51 hitlin37: thanks. thought maybe I'd turn on ignore_oc in ehci-hcd.c if needed. just need to find out if that's the problem Feb 21 07:11:33 I've also gotten "EMI?" and "bad cable?" messages, so apparently all is not well... Feb 21 07:17:33 Is anyone doing the saas class? Feb 21 07:49:26 hitlin37: where is that overcurrent setting? can't find it. Feb 21 07:56:04 bMaxPower, perhaps Feb 21 07:56:57 echo 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.1/bConfigurationValue Feb 21 07:56:59 where '2-1.1' can be dynamic.see ur device Feb 21 07:58:09 this helps in case of "no configuration-due-to-insufficient-available-bus-power" Feb 21 07:58:55 but that's oc protection. Feb 21 08:00:00 if protection is on,you won't get any bus power. Feb 21 08:51:03 the goggles, they do nothing: http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/pictograms Feb 21 08:57:40 WTF?! Feb 21 09:19:45 anyone doing the saas-class Feb 21 09:19:47 ? Feb 21 09:20:01 the what class? Feb 21 09:20:20 https://www.coursera.org/saas/ Feb 21 09:20:26 free course on software as a service Feb 21 09:20:30 from stanford and berkley Feb 21 09:20:49 * av500 tries to parse the title slowly Feb 21 09:21:48 lolol Feb 21 09:22:36 just look at the picture, it contains every needed buzz word Feb 21 09:22:54 if you like saas, you are not an embedded developer Feb 21 09:22:58 its ruby on rails tutorial? Feb 21 09:23:04 a Feb 21 09:23:40 agile, highly productiv, long-lasting and cloud. all you ever wished ;) Feb 21 09:24:25 _roger_: ! Feb 21 09:28:17 LetoThe2nd: why not? you could possibly use an arm-based blade setup to host a saas cloud :) Feb 21 09:28:43 or maybe build a really tiny cloud on beagles :) Feb 21 09:30:06 kblin: nvm. Feb 21 09:30:24 aholler_: don't forget chili clouds. Feb 21 09:31:16 kblin: a tiny cloud is called a raindrop? Feb 21 09:34:42 av500: let's make that a new buzzword Feb 21 09:35:11 raindrop computing as more of a ring to it than "embedded cloud computing" Feb 21 09:35:17 I've tried the latter before Feb 21 09:35:39 embedding the cloud in the same device that will access it Feb 21 09:35:58 * av500 has a mixed cloud of binaries in /usr/bin Feb 21 09:36:33 I wonder if booting from NFS is considered saas Feb 21 09:36:55 we have snow clouds Feb 21 09:36:59 much better Feb 21 09:37:20 * LetoThe2nd goes hunt caffeeine clouds. Feb 21 09:37:37 LetoThe2nd: coffee maker exploded? Feb 21 09:38:19 av500: big badaboom... Feb 21 09:40:07 lol Feb 21 10:17:26 hi Feb 21 10:19:29 anyone can tell me where the init file is located in angstrom? i can see that i'm running in runlevel 1 but don't know how to change it Feb 21 10:19:45 systemd baby Feb 21 10:20:01 get familiar with it Feb 21 10:20:02 ahm, i'm used to /etc/inittab Feb 21 10:20:12 its the future now Feb 21 10:20:14 i must upgrade Feb 21 10:20:29 thx woglinde Feb 21 10:20:39 and we dont support more runlevels anyway Feb 21 10:20:51 look at the system-v infrastrcuture Feb 21 10:21:13 yes, i've seen that the rc- structure is there Feb 21 10:21:45 hm or do we Feb 21 10:21:47 hm hm Feb 21 10:33:32 woglinde: for a fast hack, can i remove and add links in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants or do i have to use a helper program such as update-xxxx ? Feb 21 10:34:56 no remove is fine Feb 21 10:36:42 ok, and if i add a conf file for a program of mine there is automagically called? or do i have to register it elsewhere Feb 21 10:36:58 bonebone: use systemctl Feb 21 10:37:19 bonebone: and google, systemd has awesome docs Feb 21 10:38:24 thx koen Feb 21 10:39:17 koen: rcsystemctl start? Feb 21 10:42:14 koen: don't escape from ad interim maintainance, it's your bread until is in meta-openembedded ;) Feb 21 10:55:40 koen: "Ignorance is bliss: users only seem to object to +cancer after being told it is in their body system. No complaints if you don't tell them, just mild confusion about the missing /bowel/movement" Feb 21 10:56:15 heh Feb 21 10:56:59 I've been to california, according to the signs I should be dead already Feb 21 10:57:12 bodyctl stop Feb 21 10:57:31 koen: does that mean zombie invasion at nuremberg next week? Feb 21 10:58:31 LetoThe2nd: we should decontaminate him on the spot Feb 21 10:58:45 s/decontaminate/desintegrate/? Feb 21 10:58:57 LetoThe2nd: yep Feb 21 10:59:03 denigrate! Feb 21 10:59:05 * koen still needs to book that munich flight Feb 21 10:59:23 go by car and stop by Feb 21 11:01:10 stop by car and go by? Feb 21 11:01:22 drive by and shoot Feb 21 11:01:50 woglinde: thats texas, not endstation darmstadt. Feb 21 11:02:18 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PSP_Linux_Development_FAQ#Contributing_to_Linux_PSP Feb 21 11:02:22 OMFG Feb 21 11:02:23 right, over here it's forbidden Feb 21 11:02:29 Submit a request for acceptance - via e2e. Attach your patch OR point to a public tree where the patch is available Feb 21 11:02:38 a *forum* post is needed?!?!?! Feb 21 11:02:44 of course Feb 21 11:02:50 its to know if you are not a bot Feb 21 11:02:51 hehehe Feb 21 11:03:12 ieehks its an old flow diagramm Feb 21 11:03:14 koen: you misread Feb 21 11:03:20 not a new activity Feb 21 11:03:34 its only needed to post on e2e if "there is critical need to apply the patch on current integration branch" Feb 21 11:03:37 and forget admittance form A38 Feb 21 11:03:50 +don't Feb 21 11:03:56 thrice Feb 21 11:04:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIiUR2gV0xk Feb 21 11:06:06 * koen sends email congratulating them on the awesome april fools wiki page Feb 21 11:06:27 india has no first april? Feb 21 11:12:23 This is the first line everywhere"UBIFS may be considered as the next generation of the JFFS2 file-system. "...when looking for ubi related errors/bugs Feb 21 11:12:42 :) Feb 21 11:13:29 so its bug free Feb 21 11:14:47 heh, apparently the forum post requirement isn't a joke Feb 21 11:14:48 koen: you are getting surrounded: http://www.josetteorama.com/user-groups/the-birth-of-the-dutch-android-user-group/ Feb 21 11:16:21 trolling android is too easy Feb 21 11:17:12 at ELC someone started a conversation with "what do all android using manufacturers having in common?" Feb 21 11:17:24 I replied with "violating the GPL" Feb 21 11:17:39 apparently the correct answer was "gerrit" Feb 21 11:17:56 s/having/have/ Feb 21 11:18:27 gerrit is wrong, we dont use it Feb 21 11:18:37 i mean wrong answer to that question Feb 21 11:19:38 av500: go tell linaro Feb 21 11:19:48 lol Feb 21 11:19:53 all have gerrit Feb 21 11:19:54 lol Feb 21 11:29:05 gerrit? Feb 21 11:30:02 aholler: google review hindrance^H^H^H^H^H tool Feb 21 11:30:14 or a common dutch first name Feb 21 11:30:55 anyway av500 is right, that dutchman didn't understand what a user group is ;) Feb 21 11:45:46 hmm, is gerrit usable? Feb 21 11:46:20 aholler yes Feb 21 11:46:36 better than email review Feb 21 11:46:46 oh, i see something like eclipse setup ... Feb 21 11:47:07 ok, unusable ;) Feb 21 11:48:38 most of the gerrit annoyance stems from 'upstream' not really using it Feb 21 11:48:45 so all patches just bitrot Feb 21 11:49:05 but I guess that would be no better with other systems Feb 21 11:51:09 I'm quite fond of ml + patchwork myself Feb 21 11:51:32 but you're crazy Feb 21 11:51:48 it's not enterprise grade workflow Feb 21 11:52:16 you should add more obfuscation layers in between Feb 21 11:53:03 yeah Feb 21 11:53:11 * koen opens a forum where people can post patches Feb 21 11:53:26 koen: make sure the forum has like 200 topics Feb 21 11:53:33 so that patches really get lost Feb 21 11:53:34 but well patchwork does have web interface, so you can add some bonus points Feb 21 11:56:03 but on the forum I could build my carma and could change avatars weekly! Feb 21 11:59:13 koen: also, you dont post patches on forums, you post zip files on rapidshare Feb 21 11:59:26 which you link to on forums behind Captchas Feb 21 11:59:39 and call it rom Feb 21 11:59:48 that too Feb 21 11:59:51 av500: http://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser/status/163950167995842560 Feb 21 12:00:24 yes Feb 21 12:00:33 but there is no CVS on iOS Feb 21 12:00:52 use rcs Feb 21 12:05:40 "No need to setup a full fledged mailing list" "The page is not a joke" Feb 21 12:06:09 "just to accept bug fixes" Feb 21 12:06:22 I guess that's the indian way of saying "fuck off" Feb 21 12:06:49 one less thing to worry about Feb 21 12:09:56 http://www.business-und-service.de/ Feb 21 12:10:06 that logo is unfortunate for english customers Feb 21 12:19:09 what's wrong with brown sugar? Feb 21 12:20:16 samething as with point of sale systems Feb 21 14:11:09 i bought a license for cadsoft eagle. Man. I'm so happy with it. Feb 21 14:27:36 koen, POS :) Feb 21 14:28:19 mdp: exactly! Feb 21 14:28:24 koen: imagine years ago we had to market in UK a brand named 'PAF' Feb 21 14:29:15 the number plate code for my community is als "PAF"... Feb 21 14:29:41 sounds sinisterly like PUF Feb 21 14:30:13 koen, why oh why must people cc me on that stuff…I am guilty by CC association :P Feb 21 14:30:13 well better than AIC Feb 21 14:47:11 do you know kicad free cadsoft. i like it Feb 21 14:52:16 yeah i was told about kicad Feb 21 14:52:19 i tried it Feb 21 14:52:30 it's a little too quirky for me righ tnow, maybe in a couple years Feb 21 15:23:56 Hey. On the beaglebone, is cat'ing /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ainX the "normal" way to get an a/d value ? Is it possible to start the D/A conv and then keep polling some flag until it is ready ? Feb 21 15:46:32 jkridner___: bonescript question for you on the ml Feb 21 15:46:40 k Feb 21 15:47:14 "github pull request" is likely the correct, but terse answer Feb 21 15:47:38 jkridner___: and can you give team beagle permission to create repos on the beagle github account? Feb 21 15:47:54 k Feb 21 15:50:53 is that from ken? Feb 21 15:51:18 mdp: the one and only kk Feb 21 15:51:23 mdp: well, besides me Feb 21 15:52:07 * kkeller kkeller is here too :) Feb 21 15:53:31 kkeller: I started down the inquisition path about bonescript versus the nokia kernel fb drivers on G+ Feb 21 15:54:41 * av500 tries to make sense of that Feb 21 15:54:45 I'll post my nokia 5110 bonescript later today… you want a non-clean but working .js file? Feb 21 15:54:53 I'll send private if you want Feb 21 15:55:29 av500, you have to know the sekrit handshake first to parse that Feb 21 15:55:39 "ken sent me" Feb 21 15:55:55 crap Feb 21 15:56:29 * mdp resets all his passphrases Feb 21 15:57:18 * jkridner___ isn't finding the button to add repository creation abilities. Feb 21 15:57:34 * koen reads up on libmount Feb 21 15:58:07 does it mean giving 'administrative' rights? Feb 21 15:58:12 * av500 writes a kernel driver today Feb 21 15:58:15 I think so Feb 21 15:58:31 av500, I hear there's a book for that Feb 21 15:58:36 k, done. Feb 21 15:58:36 on my desk Feb 21 15:58:40 the german version Feb 21 15:58:51 jkridner___: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/commit/d04a83f7ee7d4a5f51aebc97f444b1f0c19fb0a0 Feb 21 15:59:03 only 2 minutes left in my working day Feb 21 15:59:10 sweet only 1 Feb 21 15:59:27 av500, everything should be a misc device Feb 21 16:00:11 \o/ Feb 21 16:01:09 koen, now you can play Feb 21 16:05:10 * mdp increments koen's meanie count for the earlier incident Feb 21 16:05:29 mdp: how do you increase INFTY? Feb 21 16:05:51 foiled again Feb 21 16:06:08 it was only a month ago I change that field to a u64 Feb 21 16:08:01 so kkeller, did you basically port the arduino sketch stuff for that demo you showed... on top of your bonescript mods? Feb 21 16:09:16 seems like that will make it real nice for people to quick try stuff out Feb 21 16:09:17 mostly… some of it was original. Feb 21 16:09:41 like the beagle? :) Feb 21 16:09:57 With that display being $10 from adafruit it make things real convenient Feb 21 16:10:45 yeah Feb 21 16:10:46 koen: jkridner___: you must have read our minds? Feb 21 16:10:54 I just made a similar change here to get PRU working Feb 21 16:11:07 well SilicaGel and I are working on PRU Feb 21 16:12:02 except that I don't know what UIO_PDRV is... Feb 21 16:13:07 hmm so far we aren't using those, I wonder if we need them Feb 21 16:14:38 jwinnebeck: it's the userspace IO driver for PRU Feb 21 16:14:52 Yeah we are playing right now with uio_pruss Feb 21 16:14:52 jwinnebeck: so no need to touch the kernel for the drivers you want to implement Feb 21 16:14:58 Yep Feb 21 16:15:10 SilicaGel was reviewing the code to see what it did Feb 21 16:15:19 and trying to play by hand Feb 21 16:15:30 So I should probably unpatch my kernel now :) Feb 21 16:15:49 I just built it with uio as module. But you enabled PDRV and PDRV_GENIRQ, do we need those? Feb 21 16:16:00 I see just pruss is a module, the other 3 compiled in Feb 21 16:16:50 We have only tried mmap so far, not read for irqs, but I didn't get any suspicion that irqs wouldn't work yet... or "events" actually Feb 21 16:17:26 apparently whatever driver is there now leaves the PRUs in some kind of reset state Feb 21 16:17:41 some differences as compared to TI SDK kernel Feb 21 16:18:07 kkeller, I've got that st7565 one, http://www.adafruit.com/products/438. Just started looking at consolidating that and my st7586 work together Feb 21 16:18:55 your work is harder… Linux driver == work : javascript != work :) Feb 21 16:19:12 kkeller, javascript == work for me :P Feb 21 16:19:56 * koen is debating if it's beer o'clock already Feb 21 16:20:07 I need to find a way to stop laughing Feb 21 16:20:13 pray tell Feb 21 16:20:20 I think I'm moving to xM with some level shifting so I can use a mainline kernel, I don't like having this stuff moulder around in the am335x forks Feb 21 16:20:30 mdp: :) Feb 21 16:21:54 koen: kein bier vor vier! Feb 21 16:22:24 in short: vier bier! Feb 21 16:34:53 koen: is anyone working on upstream u-boot and kernel support for beaglebone? Feb 21 16:35:11 u-boot -> mdp Feb 21 16:35:18 kernel upstream -> vaibhav H Feb 21 16:35:46 mlo -> ? Feb 21 16:36:02 mlo is in uboot nowadays Feb 21 16:36:08 koen: thanks Feb 21 16:36:42 s/mdp/tartarus/ Feb 21 16:36:53 * Tartarus runs Feb 21 16:37:29 sakoman__: Very basics are in (uart, mmc) Feb 21 16:42:06 koen: does usb work at all one bone? Feb 21 16:42:50 av500: depends on who you ask Feb 21 16:43:02 I lean towards "not really" Feb 21 16:43:35 koen: what is CONFIG_UIO_PDRV ? Feb 21 16:43:49 Platform Driver? is that PRUSS specific? Feb 21 16:43:52 SilicaGel: I have no idea, it looked important Feb 21 16:44:01 haha Feb 21 16:44:08 but this is your commit isn't it? Feb 21 16:44:11 av500: but some might say its "production quality" Feb 21 16:44:31 SilicaGel: yes, but not everything I do is well thought out Feb 21 16:44:44 Then you and I will be good friends Feb 21 16:44:49 Barely a nything I do is well thought out! Feb 21 16:44:51 :) Feb 21 16:45:07 * av500 is already friends with koen, guess why Feb 21 16:45:14 So you wrote a patch that just allows this thing to be buitl as default Feb 21 16:45:18 that's good Feb 21 16:45:33 I'm at a loss right now though to figure out with the current uio_pruss how the hell the PRUSS ever gets taken out of reset Feb 21 16:45:52 beacuse with 3.2 it appears, to me, that it is **NOT** taken out of reset. Feb 21 16:47:10 well, I suspect the pru stuff isn't 100% finished in that 3.2 kernel Feb 21 16:47:16 you know what though? Feb 21 16:47:19 it's pretty damned close! Feb 21 16:47:55 I've tried to figure out where the kernel source comes from by tracing all of the .bb files through their includes, but still BB is more magic than substance to me yet... Feb 21 16:48:23 it doesn't help that I'm a git noob and I've not yet found an equivalent to "svn info" for git Feb 21 16:48:41 since I did the fetch and I have the source code on my disk Feb 21 16:50:23 jwinnebeck: git remote show ? Feb 21 16:50:48 that just tells me the branch I'm on ? Feb 21 16:50:59 git status / git describe Feb 21 16:51:32 I did try git status it doesn't tell you it just says what your chagnes are Feb 21 16:51:58 oh well Feb 21 16:53:11 ? Feb 21 16:53:43 koen Feb 21 16:53:47 i figured out what they are Feb 21 16:54:02 koen I really suggest you set CONFIG_UIO_PDRV and CONFIG_UIO_PDRV_GENIRQ to m Feb 21 16:54:07 well git describe gives me a fatal error, I man'd it and tried git describe -all and it just gives me the branch again Feb 21 16:54:14 I was expecting something to give me a URL Feb 21 16:54:23 git config -l Feb 21 16:54:36 It's not the memory utilization, but I'd rather then not even register as UIO devices unless the end user really WANTS them to be there. So I'd treat them just like you are treating UIO_PRUSS: make them modules, user inserts them if they wish, otherwise they aren't there. Feb 21 16:54:38 koen: fair? Feb 21 16:54:41 ok thanks that gets me what I want Feb 21 16:55:15 thanks av500 Feb 21 16:55:22 maybe you meant git remote -v Feb 21 16:55:50 Yes that is a better/more concise form although git config -l has the same info although more verbose Feb 21 16:56:04 less .git/config :) Feb 21 16:56:27 Actually I was poking around in .git to see if I could hack it when you told me that Feb 21 16:57:32 I really need to just sit down and do a whole git tutorial Feb 21 16:57:41 esp if we need to make mods soon, hopefully not Feb 21 16:57:46 SilicaGel: sounds fair, I'll change it tomorrow Feb 21 16:57:58 jwinnebeck: but you are never on any remote branch, that just shows which remote branches are known Feb 21 16:57:58 How will you remember? :) Feb 21 16:58:37 aholler: but doesn't git fetch changes from the remote branch? If I understand git properly, my "checkout" is actually a git repository, and it's "mirroring" the remote? Feb 21 16:58:49 jwinnebeck: just use gitk --all ;) Feb 21 16:59:02 no gitk I'm on headless system :) Feb 21 16:59:20 So in other words that git url in the remote -v fetch is where I"m downloading changesets from Feb 21 17:01:16 jwinnebeck: yes Feb 21 17:02:42 I'm usually using git remote update, that fetches from all remotes Feb 21 17:05:57 How does the DDR ram hook to L3? Is there some module that does that? Feb 21 17:06:25 koen, *whew*, thanks for fixing that typo Feb 21 17:13:22 I'm a little confused with a serial LCD. Can I plug RS/RW/E/D0-7 to any GPIO port ? Feb 21 17:14:05 8 data lines is serial? Feb 21 17:14:23 we used to call that parallel back in the day Feb 21 17:15:12 sorry, typed hd44780 at first and then erased the line and wrote without thinking Feb 21 17:17:52 bla_: puttinh D0-D7 to 8 consecutive GPIOs might make sense, no? Feb 21 17:19:58 for extra credit, it would be fun to interface to gpmc Feb 21 17:20:06 av500: that's what I wanted to have confirmation on. The hw is usually OK but I have no idea how the sw is going to fare since i'm not in real-time here. Feb 21 17:20:27 * av500 is amused to hear hd44780 and real time :) Feb 21 17:20:35 is DDRAM hookd up through the OCMC ? Feb 21 17:21:05 mdp: can one make an ISA bus on GPMC? Feb 21 17:21:20 av500: don't I need to give the instructions in preciase timings ? Feb 21 17:21:58 I doubt that for a hd44780 Feb 21 17:23:09 av500, depends on how much extra credit you want…first one to interface a superio gets a gold star Feb 21 17:23:24 ah great then, thanks Feb 21 17:24:06 mdp: 1st one to interface a Cowox sound card :) Feb 21 17:24:55 I would love to use my GUS on beaglebone Feb 21 17:25:16 mdp: ISA port project it is then! Feb 21 17:25:19 I wish the community would help me with this Feb 21 17:25:58 mdp: let's have TI order one Feb 21 17:26:10 mdp: you can always ask on e2e forum Feb 21 17:26:14 lol Feb 21 17:26:33 I'll post as Boris Houndleroy Feb 21 17:26:40 rofl Feb 21 17:26:44 mdp: no, dont mention beagle! Feb 21 17:26:56 say you have an DM6441 EVM Feb 21 17:27:00 "I'm trying to interface my Gravis Ultrasound to BeagleBone, do you have any reference code?" Feb 21 17:27:21 "anticipated volume sales is 500k/month" Feb 21 17:27:39 mdp: add "please send me the codez and explain it step by step" Feb 21 17:27:47 lol..codez Feb 21 17:27:53 "the *exact* steps" Feb 21 17:28:21 it's ok though, the magic ignore words are no longer Beagle* cause we officially support xM rev foo and Bone Feb 21 17:28:30 wow Feb 21 17:28:51 the telltale sign is an EZSDK d/l for both of those Feb 21 17:29:00 shhhh Feb 21 17:29:02 lol ..EZ Feb 21 17:29:14 let's keep the sekrit to this small number of people here Feb 21 17:29:59 :) you know that everything is loged right :P Feb 21 17:30:53 what?!?? :) Feb 21 17:31:24 maybe it'S lodged Feb 21 17:32:12 it's lodged into the cracks on the channel Feb 21 17:33:00 that adafruit dot matrix display Feb 21 17:33:04 that's pretty cool for the price. Feb 21 17:33:15 what is it in $/dot? Feb 21 17:33:26 I will say that a GUS running on Bone will immortalize one for the obligatory 1.5 seconds on hackaday Feb 21 17:34:04 SilicaGel: the 7564 one? Feb 21 17:34:27 7565 yeah Feb 21 17:34:36 it's just one of those densitron style dot matrix displays Feb 21 17:34:43 but with RGB backlighting, and at a decent price Feb 21 17:38:27 * av500 likes this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/661 Feb 21 17:43:11 that one does look interesting Feb 21 17:43:54 Yes! Feb 21 17:43:59 why is it on such a huge friggin board though! Feb 21 17:44:00 WTH! Feb 21 17:44:24 you jerk, why di dyou show me that, now I have to buy one Feb 21 17:44:48 buy two and mount inside your glasses Feb 21 17:44:53 haha listen to me bitching about how "huge" it is ... it's the size of a quarter Feb 21 17:46:29 i wonder if she sells just the display, not on the board Feb 21 17:46:45 Lady Ada? Feb 21 17:46:50 ya Feb 21 17:46:52 the one and only Feb 21 17:46:58 ask her Feb 21 17:47:04 she does for the st7735 display Feb 21 17:47:22 I think it's an on demand type thing as av500 implies Feb 21 17:47:59 SilicaGel: you just need to be prepared to handle an FPC Feb 21 17:48:21 does that need to be hot bar soldered or is on a connector Feb 21 17:48:56 I see it. It's hot bar soldered. Her little board it looks like it was not though. Feb 21 17:49:24 that's how she makes the breakout board cheap Feb 21 17:49:40 modular production boards go with the expense of the connector Feb 21 17:49:54 cost++ Feb 21 17:50:28 I don't like the use of crappy old cmos parts like the CD4050 on that. Feb 21 17:51:28 well can I buy an SSD1306 somewhere directly? Feb 21 17:52:19 the 1306 is inside the oled module, no? Feb 21 17:52:24 not on the pcb Feb 21 17:52:30 oh yeah Feb 21 17:52:33 well the display module i mean Feb 21 17:52:56 I've been looking for a tiny litle oled module like that Feb 21 17:53:05 I have a T.I. Stellaris SDK bot and it has one of those Feb 21 17:53:52 10k hours Feb 21 17:53:53 poo Feb 21 18:05:32 https://picasaweb.google.com/108380917869049424169/MiscellaneousJunk#5711651424524381762 Feb 21 18:05:40 that's the little oled display on my stellaris robot Feb 21 18:05:45 it's friggin tiny Feb 21 18:05:51 different one Feb 21 18:06:02 yeah Feb 21 18:06:05 what I like on the above one is that I can get 20x4 chars on it Feb 21 18:06:09 but I couldn't figure out where the hell to buy one Feb 21 18:10:09 guys anyone tried java + comport on beagle? it works with my usb to serial converter but not with the ttyO2, which i realeased from the console on the uEnv.txt Feb 21 18:10:15 i also renamed /etc/init/ttyO2.conf and run the script /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot_files.sh but still no luck my java prog cant find the ttyO2 Feb 21 18:11:21 tomo11, Can you do it from the shell? Feb 21 18:11:49 you also need to disable the getty on the ttyO2 Feb 21 18:11:54 not just kernel console Feb 21 18:12:34 hmm ok i will look into it thanks Feb 21 18:39:44 hi, has anyone here successfully used a usb bluetooth dongle on beagleboard xm running android? Feb 21 18:41:22 I have used a usb bluetooth dongle on beagleboard xm running Linux with no problem, but cannot get android to work with the same usb dongle. Feb 21 18:41:44 because android is not linux ;) Feb 21 18:42:40 obviously, but it does run ontop of linux Feb 21 18:44:00 "does not work" is a good problem description Feb 21 18:44:23 "don't work!" Feb 21 18:45:01 I execute hcitool dev and it doesn't see the bluetooth dongle, but when running linux the same steps showed the dongle as hci0 Feb 21 18:45:24 I tried hciconfig hci0 up and it does not see the device Feb 21 18:45:54 probably cause your android uses a different heavily patched kernel and a different heavily patched version of bluez Feb 21 18:46:06 and doesn't autoload some foo Feb 21 18:46:09 I try to enable bluetooth using teh android UI and it higlights the selection momentarily and then goes off again Feb 21 18:46:20 TonyB: all of the above Feb 21 18:46:28 av500 *g* Feb 21 18:46:29 what mdp and aholler said Feb 21 18:47:07 the android UI is just the last step Feb 21 18:47:19 all the low level stuff needs to be in place first Feb 21 18:47:27 modules loaded etcc Feb 21 18:47:52 I understand the kernel and bluez are not stock configurations, but is their a way to enable the bluetooth dongle or allow android to connect to it???? Feb 21 18:48:07 yes Feb 21 18:48:17 edit android to behave like your other linux Feb 21 18:48:36 mess around in startup scripts, make sure the right modules are built/deployed/loaded Feb 21 18:48:41 I have edited the init.rc file, but that was not successful Feb 21 18:50:18 it boots with the modified init.rc file, no problem. The main thing that I changed was assigning bluetooth ownership of ttyO0 instead of ttyS1 Feb 21 18:50:37 SilicaGel: build a robot that can go places ;) http://robotics.djlewis.us/tracksbot/tracksbot.htm Feb 21 18:51:05 I saw documentation that said the change was required for kernel 2.6.37 Feb 21 18:53:59 TonyB are you sure bt is connected to ttyS1? Feb 21 18:56:09 using original init.rc it was. using modified init.rc it is connected to ttyO0 Feb 21 18:57:31 an usb-dongle? Feb 21 18:57:41 I also observed that rfkill module is loaded, which is required and the console recognizes the hcitool and hciconfig commands. Feb 21 18:58:39 using the same bluetooth dongle that I got to work on beagleboard xm running linux. Same dongle, same beagelboard xm, different OS obviously Feb 21 18:59:00 "edit android" Feb 21 18:59:32 first unlock the bootloader ;) Feb 21 19:01:00 TonyB: this is a usb dongle? Feb 21 19:01:17 why would it by ttyOx? Feb 21 19:01:22 should be ttyUSBx Feb 21 19:02:01 ? Feb 21 19:02:13 mdp: 5110 bonescript up on https://github.com/kkeller/Nokia5110 Feb 21 19:02:21 usb-bt-dongles are managed through a btusb Feb 21 19:02:33 no serial involved Feb 21 19:03:02 still its not ttyOx Feb 21 19:03:37 kkeller: nice how a 1ghz cpu can do the same stuff as a PIC :) Feb 21 19:03:44 at about the same speed Feb 21 19:03:59 * kkeller hehe Feb 21 19:04:08 sorry lost my connection had to log back in Feb 21 19:04:29 TonyB: why ttyO0? Feb 21 19:05:25 I found anothe rinit.rc for an omap3 board that supported bluetooth and it had documentation stating that as of kernel 2.6.37 that ttyO0 was to be used instead of ttyS1 Feb 21 19:05:57 TonyB: yes, for the serial port Feb 21 19:06:06 TonyB: again, an usb-bt-dongle uses btusb as driver, no serial involved Feb 21 19:06:33 depends on how your bt is connected I would presume Feb 21 19:07:13 but yeah a dongle would probably use one of the ttyUSBX ports Feb 21 19:07:38 omg Feb 21 19:07:42 aholler I missed that comment probably when I lost my connection, sorry Feb 21 19:07:46 if you even need to worry about that Feb 21 19:08:09 should I verify that btusb module is loaded??? Feb 21 19:08:48 never verify Feb 21 19:08:53 :P Feb 21 19:17:18 djlewis: I like the tracks on that robot Feb 21 19:18:09 SilicaGel: yeah, I like the tracks. Tough with rubber pads. Feb 21 19:18:27 it will climb Feb 21 19:21:44 koen: are you still here? I want to make the same argument about uio. Feb 21 19:21:49 I think I'd prefer it be set to UIO=m Feb 21 19:21:50 not y Feb 21 19:46:11 the am335x is so cool I'm starting to get aroused Feb 21 19:47:09 just a little Feb 21 19:47:28 right now, the google group for Beagle Board is going apeshit. Feb 21 19:48:01 And I'd like someboyd to un-tack the idiotic question about the speech scrambler, even though I think it was a good lesson for the kid Feb 21 19:48:04 stop throwing feces around! Feb 21 19:48:34 the new uio_pruss in the angstrom kernel 3.2.something = VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY CLOSE!!! Feb 21 19:48:35 :) Feb 21 19:48:36 VERY close! Feb 21 19:48:44 Somebody needs to fix something that I don' tknow how to fix Feb 21 19:48:46 and I think it will work Feb 21 19:55:16 when does 'bash' output a prompt? Feb 21 19:55:28 i'm trying to post the details of this to the beagle group but it's fubar. I got an email from the group but it's not showing up on groups.google.com/group/beagleboard for some reason Feb 21 19:55:44 I'm adding a simple shell to bonescript, and I don't know why 'bash' doesn't give me a prompt. does it only do it for tty's? Feb 21 19:56:01 The gist is that I think uio_pruss.ko is doing the right thing except nothing in the power domain setup ever takes the pruss out of reset, so it can't talk to the L3/L4 and you're stuck Feb 21 19:56:15 and from the userspace side (the uio client) there's nothing you can do about it Feb 21 19:56:29 SilicaGel: I'll check the group queue. Feb 21 19:56:33 I think the right thing to happen here is that the icss_uart_gclk is in the icss clock domain Feb 21 19:56:39 which is in the per clock domain Feb 21 19:56:42 which is in the per power domain Feb 21 19:56:52 jkridner___: I think bash would only do prompts for ttys, that makes sense Feb 21 19:57:03 any way to fake a tty? Feb 21 19:57:03 if you are feeding commands into it via a pipe... Feb 21 19:57:13 I don't know, what are you trying to do Feb 21 19:57:18 somewhere in there, somebody needs to write RM_PER_RSTCTRL and take the whole subsystem out of reset. Feb 21 19:57:20 why do you need prompts Feb 21 19:57:30 fake tty == pty Feb 21 19:57:34 yeah you can fake a tty ... yeah. pty. Feb 21 19:57:36 just grab a pty. Feb 21 19:57:37 I can't think of any shell interactions I would do that could cause that Feb 21 19:57:46 k Feb 21 19:57:56 I mean that would need that Feb 21 19:58:10 well if pty works for you... Feb 21 19:58:55 jkridner___: what's weird is I got a "can not post this message" error, so I just clicked send again, and then it took it. So somehow the googles are scrambled in the head Feb 21 19:59:15 butI have no idea if my message went out to the list or what. It looks like it did bsed on what it sent back to me Feb 21 19:59:24 but maybe it's just screwing with me Feb 21 19:59:41 k. nothing is sitting in the queue, so not sure what to say. Feb 21 19:59:52 did you get a message from me? Feb 21 20:00:01 subject PRUSS activation in angstrom with 3.2 kernel / am335x / bone Feb 21 20:01:40 I'll check when i get back (probably about an hour), and if it didn't show up, I'll send it again with an incredibly sincere apology for folks possibly getting it twice. Feb 21 20:01:44 Incredibly sincere!!!! Feb 21 20:07:15 SilicaGel: #2 is correct Feb 21 20:11:34 it seems the java library rxtx have some problems with the uart of the beagleboard Feb 21 20:12:08 uartO2 is working fine only the lib dosnt recognize it Feb 21 20:12:18 *doesnt Feb 21 20:21:04 http://www.memecreator.com/meme/offers-a-mpu-does-not-release-a-sdk-for-it-t.i.-with-pruss Feb 21 20:22:21 :) Feb 21 20:22:40 I think part of building a community is to leave some code for others to write Feb 21 20:23:02 don't want to take all the fun out of it :) Feb 21 20:24:53 then slap on a MSP430 Feb 21 20:24:56 I think you are right mdp Feb 21 20:25:24 plnty of tools Feb 21 20:25:43 no level shifter issues. what else do you want?! Feb 21 20:26:04 yeah, there's a project, code up remoteproc support to load firmware to your msp430 over spi or something Feb 21 20:26:10 another chance to be famous Feb 21 20:27:11 use gpios Feb 21 20:27:30 spybiwire baby! Feb 21 20:29:06 remote surveillance, spy by wire Feb 21 20:29:33 "bitbang it!" Feb 21 20:32:32 What does the oebb.sh update do? Is it different than "for each directory in sources, do git pull --rebase" ? Feb 21 20:34:24 tomo11: I hate to tell you this but RXTX is a pile of crap Feb 21 20:34:40 I can attest to this based on experience and inspection of source code Feb 21 20:34:51 if I recall, the list of serial ports is hardcoded in there for what to scan Feb 21 20:34:58 it probably doesn't think ttyO* is a serial port Feb 21 20:35:07 if you are talking about enumerating... Feb 21 20:35:33 if you open it directly by passing it into the constructor, then you can use it Feb 21 20:36:07 However, you can't do that and stay strictly using the javacomm API, which means technically you could not be compliant with its GPL exception Feb 21 20:36:20 You can decide how much that bothers you Feb 21 20:36:50 Personally, if you only need to use Linux, I know it sounds horrible (at least it does to me) but in recent projects I've just stopped using RXTX all together and just use InputStream Feb 21 20:37:16 If you don't need to do any bit-fiddling you don't need RXTX. However, you have to run stty (you can do this from Java) on the port before you open it Feb 21 20:38:21 It sounds like a horrible hack, but based on my experience it's been more stable and more performant than RXTX and you don't have to worry about yet another native lib to compile/link or another package to worry about for license compliance Feb 21 20:38:48 The biggest drawback being obviously that the program is no longer portable outside of Linux Feb 21 20:39:17 But it's trivial to write a wrapper to get a InputStream from RXTX in !Linux case and open file directly in Linux case Feb 21 20:40:53 jwinnebeck let us rewrite it under bsd license Feb 21 20:40:55 haha Feb 21 20:41:13 Well it won't be hard to beat out RXTX in coding Feb 21 20:41:35 but RXTX is one of those things where it has to do everything you could want to do with a serial port, which is a lot, and normally you don't ned 99% of it Feb 21 20:42:02 You could make a small simple JNI in probably a screen of code for the majority you need to do with serial ports from Java Feb 21 20:45:13 java package has not replacement for rxtx? Feb 21 20:45:41 what is the borat panda url? Feb 21 20:46:17 Maxz: RXTX has been the only serial/parallel option for Java for quite a long time Feb 21 20:46:22 there's not really any competetor Feb 21 20:48:10 <_av500_> Crofton|work: mistype pandaboard Feb 21 20:49:32 There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough. Feb 21 20:49:32 —Eric S. Raymond[3 Feb 21 20:49:46 that is RXTX :P Feb 21 20:50:41 hmm, not foudn Feb 21 20:53:58 <_av500_> pandaborad.org Feb 21 20:54:37 * _av500_ notes that in 2012 the hot topic here so far is serial port handling for java Feb 21 20:55:13 ah Feb 21 20:55:27 I was mispelling to ahrd Feb 21 20:55:33 <_av500_> try /content/buy too Feb 21 21:00:36 * koen hates rxtx Feb 21 21:00:46 I don't think anyone likes RXTX Feb 21 21:00:53 ever since I was a teaching assistant and needed to cross compile it Feb 21 21:01:17 Maxz: BTW I agree with that statement. RXTX is just BARELY good enough that no one has been motivated to replace it Feb 21 21:01:20 plus it's not often used Feb 21 21:01:49 and where you DO want to replace RXTX you can do like what I did, or write a much much simpler native stub that does just what you need and not everything Feb 21 21:01:55 So RXTX being replaced is not at all likely Feb 21 21:04:42 hmm, ubuntu for android Feb 21 21:04:58 aholler: yeah, I found that one interesting. Feb 21 21:05:31 does that run in a vm or native? Feb 21 21:06:25 or in a sandbox or similiar Feb 21 21:08:00 maybe that finally is a way for ubuntu to earn some money Feb 21 21:08:32 "BREAKING: Canonical announces something. We have no idea of what it is, but we advise viewers to be already downloading Arch and Mint ISOs. -- FOSSNewsChannel (@FOSSNewsChannel)" Feb 21 21:09:19 ? Feb 21 21:09:48 remoteproc on omap3, discuss! Feb 21 21:10:26 Crofton|work: rpmsg? Feb 21 21:10:52 Crofton|work: I use that when bitbake breaks Feb 21 21:12:42 https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/25/139 Feb 21 21:13:10 Crofton|work: didn't we discuss that during ELC already? Feb 21 21:13:18 no Feb 21 21:13:32 Crofton|work: btw, you never finished that anecdote about the guy attending ELC that had only attended "real" conferences Feb 21 21:13:43 heh Feb 21 21:13:59 he was impressed by the number of people that do real work presenting Feb 21 21:14:06 public safety announcement: do not hand Crofton|work a new beer during an anecdote Feb 21 21:14:13 as opposed to marketing people and college students Feb 21 21:14:38 what guy was that? Feb 21 21:14:49 the ex-microsoft one? Feb 21 21:14:51 no Feb 21 21:15:15 he was hilarious Feb 21 21:15:27 hilariously deluded Feb 21 21:15:28 I remember you trolling him Feb 21 21:18:21 mru: andy the ex-ms guy? Feb 21 21:18:35 I forgot his name Feb 21 21:18:41 didn't seem important Feb 21 21:18:48 watterott nervt mich jetzt. jetzt warte ich seit 1-2 wochen bis das das polymorph da ist, jetzt ist der bus-priate wech. :( Feb 21 21:18:51 uups Feb 21 21:19:08 the guy who argued that android phones aren't "true" smartphones since they run some kind of java Feb 21 21:19:11 I missed out on this Feb 21 21:19:20 I missed out on that as well Feb 21 21:19:51 actually, he had 3 reasons why androids are not smartphones: Feb 21 21:19:56 1) they run java Feb 21 21:20:08 2) they don't have an exclusive locked-down "app store" Feb 21 21:20:12 3) they are too cheap Feb 21 21:20:12 lol Feb 21 21:20:21 he actually said those things Feb 21 21:20:25 so what makes a smartphone smart then? Feb 21 21:20:31 he would not say Feb 21 21:20:48 ah yes, the feature of denying an app entry because "android builder summit" is in the description Feb 21 21:20:48 presumably the opposites of those things Feb 21 21:21:06 ABS was hilarious Feb 21 21:21:13 and it had free food Feb 21 21:21:36 they had something beyond the food? Feb 21 21:21:45 * mru never checked Feb 21 21:21:46 a few keynotes Feb 21 21:21:54 I attended 2 Feb 21 21:22:10 had to blend in and all Feb 21 21:22:59 lol, "real" conference..cool Feb 21 21:23:16 and which ones are "real"? the ones with "world" in their names? Feb 21 21:23:36 SmartPhoneWorld! Feb 21 21:23:45 the ones where companies don't send any actual experts to do talks for fear of them being head hunted Feb 21 21:23:54 mdp: that's MWC Feb 21 21:23:59 right Feb 21 21:24:02 another real conference Feb 21 21:24:20 or the canned marketing conferences like Freescale Technology Forum Feb 21 21:24:30 or *Developer Days Feb 21 21:24:46 those are nice for free drinks Feb 21 21:27:12 The ubuntu note was interesting, especially since they mention the Atrix Feb 21 21:27:28 I thought the Moto Atrix "docked" mode was just a nested ubuntu Feb 21 21:27:43 well maybe not ubuntu but definitely a debian-based system of some sort Feb 21 21:28:05 and basically they just decide to run X and some kind of remoting technology like (or maybe exactly) VNC to the Android desktop Feb 21 21:28:46 I think this is the future eventually, at least a significant role in the future Feb 21 21:28:55 chromium is "dead" because of this, IMO Feb 21 21:29:14 For the things someone would use a chromium "desktop" for they can use ICS and/or Ubuntu on an ARM superphone Feb 21 21:30:16 no, chromium is all about data in the cloud Feb 21 21:30:27 Yeah it is, but it's also an OS Feb 21 21:30:32 and nobody really wants that Feb 21 21:30:34 well a replacement for an OS Feb 21 21:30:40 But that's what your phone can do Feb 21 21:30:49 esp when it's also your portable desktop Feb 21 21:31:03 it can use the cloud in the same way chromium does, but better obviously Feb 21 21:31:07 because the OS isn't as brain dead Feb 21 21:31:37 Although this was my ealier thought about thinking whether I should do my app's user interface as HTML/JavaScript Feb 21 21:31:56 and all of this stuff just solidifies it with all of the cloud crap going on as well Feb 21 21:32:07 everyone is standardizing on "Web" technologies Feb 21 21:40:07 I'll have to say canonical is smart on this one, though, it's probably their best realistic chance of not only getting some money but getting into the mainstream market Feb 21 21:46:11 Is there an "easy" way to find out why a i2c bus is no longer showing up on a C4? I had I2C working with several SRF08s, 24c02, and a BMP085, but now the bus doesn't show up at all. i2c-1 and i2c-3 still show up. Feb 21 21:50:42 what did you change? Feb 21 21:52:48 I've been compiling new kernels (running 3.2 now) but I can't even probe the bus in uboot, which worked previously Feb 21 21:53:29 My phone has that ubuntu mode too. Feb 21 21:53:30 did you change uboot? Feb 21 21:53:36 no Feb 21 21:53:52 uboot is living in nand Feb 21 21:54:07 hopefully it's not nand of the nost. Feb 21 21:54:14 SilicaGel: maybe they took it a step farther, they say the email, sms, and apps integrate between the two, so if you manage contacts in ubuntu, it's also changing the android ones and google contacts, etc Feb 21 21:54:16 measure sda and scl and make sure they are not frozen Feb 21 21:54:31 ohhhh wait... i2c is zero indexed in uboot :) Feb 21 21:54:38 ok it's working in uboot. nevermind Feb 21 21:56:12 then.. Feb 21 21:57:42 still not sure why it's not loading in linux though. going to revert to the ubuntu kernel and go from there again. Feb 21 21:58:33 kernels are for ur hw Feb 21 21:58:57 right? Feb 21 21:59:31 there is no generic kernel! Feb 21 21:59:53 right. the relevance to anything lost me though. Feb 21 22:00:14 perhaps I should clarify with the ubuntu-omap kernel Feb 21 22:00:41 forgetubuntu Feb 21 22:00:51 just debug your kernel Feb 21 22:06:18 "just" he says =P Feb 21 22:13:27 I don't see anything about i2c-2 errors on boot or in the message log, and busses 1 and 3 work fine. Feb 21 22:13:59 TheBurrito: you didnt mention /dev/i2c-x? Feb 21 22:16:21 that's what i meant before when I said "i2c-1 and i2c-3 still show up" in my initial prompt. Feb 21 22:20:55 well, you got your answer anyways, if it is good in u-boot then your kernel has mucked with it. Feb 21 22:43:00 yes, it is that simple Feb 21 22:43:03 do it all the time Feb 21 22:47:18 ds2: what? you muck with your kernels ? ;) Feb 21 22:54:52 :P Feb 21 23:44:10 if I use opkg to update my beaglebone does that bring it up to the most stable setup or is it like beta status? Feb 21 23:45:05 don't use opkg upgrade, bad things can happen Feb 21 23:45:47 not sure why exactly Feb 21 23:47:36 * djlewis seconds that statement Feb 22 00:06:18 tlab: "Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously, and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light." Feb 22 00:06:37 ooh, fun stuff. Feb 22 00:08:46 why is it there then if I souldn't use it? Feb 22 00:10:08 * mranostay backs away from tlab Feb 22 00:11:43 it even mentions it on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Feb 22 00:25:10 jkridner__ it's cathy - I'm here w/ Hersh at UT and beagle is running in the lab :) Feb 22 00:30:15 hey i was wondering if anyone has ettercap-ng installed on angstrom Feb 22 00:30:44 and is the command opkg install ettercap-ng right? Feb 22 00:54:01 UT... just down the road Feb 22 00:56:12 tlab you should use it to install packages, opkg update just updates the repo content listings, opkg upgrade is what you want to avoid Feb 22 00:57:45 that tries to do a system wide upgrade of all installed packages and usually fails partway through leaving the system unstable Feb 22 01:06:29 what is tlab? Feb 22 01:06:51 tlab is me? Feb 22 01:06:59 are you sure? Feb 22 01:07:08 some guy or girl I presume Feb 22 01:07:08 what is tasteless? Feb 22 01:07:19 doesn't exhibit botlike behaviour at least Feb 22 01:07:55 * mranostay puts on troll hat Feb 22 01:07:58 oh lol i thought he was responding to my msg... hahaha -_- i got trolled Feb 22 01:08:19 is node.js broken on the latest beaglebone image? Feb 22 01:08:39 <_troll_> some might argue the very concept of node.js is broken Feb 22 01:09:14 haha Feb 22 01:09:50 <_troll_> then again, there are some (aka jkridner__) who do not Feb 22 01:12:15 anyways was anyone able to install ettercap-ng on angstrom? Feb 22 01:12:35 why would i want to install that? Feb 22 01:13:39 * mdp pokes kkeller Feb 22 01:13:57 kkeller, tell tlab how node.js is broken on the latest beaglebone image Feb 22 01:14:10 * mdp wonders why he's talking to kkeller like a bot Feb 22 01:19:03 ah well, I'll wait till bb is more developed I guess Feb 22 01:19:31 guess I'd rather do work in linux than node.js Feb 22 01:29:19 mdp: he isn't? Feb 22 01:30:04 everyone i haven't met in real life is a bot until proven otherwise :) Feb 22 01:31:06 mr roboto Feb 22 01:37:26 * mru rejoices at not being a bot Feb 22 01:38:16 though being a bot would surely simplify a lot of things greatly Feb 22 01:55:00 beep beep bloop not a bot bloop Feb 22 01:56:14 TheAlphaNerd: have you met mranostay in person? that seems to be the current test of bothood... Feb 22 01:56:29 what is this in person you speak of Feb 22 01:57:00 in real life, in the flesh, offline, etc Feb 22 01:57:13 at ELC ;) Feb 22 01:57:47 dm8tbr: ELC is kind of a half-world Feb 22 01:58:32 their net sure sucked though, not much online there Feb 22 01:58:54 all those holographic projections needed a lot of bandwidth Feb 22 01:59:22 and I remember seeing mranostay there, though we didn't specifically introduce each other Feb 22 01:59:51 half this channel was there Feb 22 02:01:03 the other half (by size), av500, was not Feb 22 02:01:04 mdp - was at dinner... Feb 22 02:04:53 * mranostay pops up the traffic map Feb 22 02:09:03 mru: size? are you making a fat joke? :) Feb 22 02:09:16 no, I'm making an av500 joke Feb 22 02:10:38 http://codecs.multimedia.cx/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/av500.jpg Feb 22 02:10:49 ^^ that's av500 (clearly) holding a laptop **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 22 02:59:58 2012