**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 29 02:59:58 2012 Feb 29 03:12:35 where does the recipe for the machine go? Feb 29 03:41:19 I have been trying to install an ubuntu image onto a beagle board xm or a pandaboard for a while now but they just display the splash screen for a while then the screen begins flashing between a black screen and some text. Why would none of the ubuntu prebuilt images install on either device? Feb 29 03:47:10 anyone getting on the rasp pi train tonight? Feb 29 03:48:32 nope, watching from the sidelines Feb 29 03:49:35 worrd Feb 29 03:54:14 the price is nice if they can sustain it, but we simply need more horespower for our application Feb 29 04:07:53 guys how can i see if my kernel supports usb touchscreen? i have 2.6.35 ubuntu 10.04 Feb 29 04:08:01 thanks in advance Feb 29 04:08:57 depends on your touchscreen Feb 29 04:10:24 2.6.35 has support for several available, can't say if it's compiled with yours or not though Feb 29 04:11:53 the easy way to see would be to list the /dev/input/event* files present before plugging in and after plugging it in Feb 29 04:11:56 zgrep /proc/config.gz Feb 29 04:13:47 yeah i checked /dev/input but nothing came up Feb 29 04:17:03 what does dmesg say about the device when you plug in? Feb 29 04:17:47 nothing comes up Feb 29 04:18:08 also nothing at /proc/bus/input/devices and nothing at lsusb Feb 29 04:18:18 :S Feb 29 04:18:47 touchscreen output works fine (its LCD so it just shows the DVI display) Feb 29 04:18:57 does any usb device show up? Feb 29 04:19:04 yes all except this Feb 29 04:19:29 sounds broken or not getting enough power to enumerate? Feb 29 04:19:40 power should be enought i think Feb 29 04:19:49 i have external power supply for my hub too Feb 29 04:19:52 it should enumerate regardless of driver status Feb 29 04:20:28 so you think it's hardware? Feb 29 04:20:46 i can try to resolder the usb cable on the flex cable Feb 29 04:21:04 yeah hardware Feb 29 04:21:07 R:Pi is claiming full 1080p video playback.... Feb 29 04:21:34 is R:Pi worth it? Feb 29 04:21:41 i mean it's so hyped isnt it? Feb 29 04:21:55 it's still vapor Feb 29 04:24:04 ok i check my hardware then, i go bring my multimeter Feb 29 04:41:05 evening dudes Feb 29 04:42:00 hey. how's calif treating you? Feb 29 04:42:55 just in case anyone is curious... apparently in linux 3.2 the single line for a beagleboard to register i2c-2 in the mach-* source is missing >_< Feb 29 04:46:30 hehe Feb 29 05:00:56 hmm, the pi doesn't even have a serial port? Feb 29 05:04:11 circles don't have serial ports Feb 29 05:08:39 ds2: or half circles :) Feb 29 05:54:23 <_av500_> thurbad: finally a design that gets it right Feb 29 07:33:47 * Russ backreads some comments, "What, it is not a binary file format?" --av500 at Tue Feb 14 15:25:32 2012 Feb 29 08:07:09 Russ: :) Feb 29 08:48:11 koen: just FYI, after the recent changes in the bitbake (I've updated yesterday) there's few errors like this ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf: ParseError at /home/andreas/src/setup-scripts/conf/auto.conf:1: unparsed line: 'MACHINE ?= omap4430-panda' Feb 29 08:49:21 if you fix it, then there's some ParseError in meta-ti layer in uboot.inc Feb 29 08:49:32 looks like that was generated by an older setup-scripts Feb 29 08:49:49 I checked, the current version uses quotes to get the MACHINE into auto.conf Feb 29 08:50:39 and do you see that ParseError in u-boot also? Feb 29 08:59:44 not after denix finally pushed the fixed khem and I sent Feb 29 09:04:38 <_tasslehoff_> is sudden power loss known to potentially destroy sd-cards forevah? Feb 29 09:05:07 I broke one by glaring at it once..... Feb 29 09:05:34 retarsd Feb 29 09:05:54 _tasslehoff_: here, have some NAND Feb 29 09:06:09 its not better, but you can watch it break :) Feb 29 09:06:27 <_tasslehoff_> :) Feb 29 09:06:39 this is also a myth Feb 29 09:07:02 no kidding! Feb 29 09:10:20 <_tasslehoff_> besides glaring and mental deficiency, is sudden power loss also sometimes destructive? I have a card that seems very broken, and the breaker had a system without battery and just pulled the chord while heavy write operations was in progress. Feb 29 09:11:03 <_tasslehoff_> I'd like to resolve the ticket with a "you're holding it wrong" type of comment :) Feb 29 09:11:03 it's like asking if the world ends in 2012 without having the crystall ball :p Feb 29 09:14:00 ynezz: what, you haven't received one? Feb 29 09:14:19 fedex guy broke it :( Feb 29 09:14:33 dang Feb 29 09:18:47 _tasslehoff_: I would wrote there something along this lines "This is exactly what do you deserve, when you're relying on crap^WSD cards with some random firmware written by glue sniffing " Feb 29 09:21:07 <_tasslehoff_> ynezz: thanks, but shouldn't I insert my least favorite religion Feb 29 09:21:18 _tasslehoff_: I have some very old, (ab)used sd cards (64MB, 1GB) which need to be reinserted several times to be found. I have worse experience with CF fwiw. Feb 29 09:21:48 <_tasslehoff_> we have thrown out nand and rely on (hopefully !crap) uSD from SanDisk Feb 29 09:23:59 we find eMMC from sandisk quite reliable Feb 29 09:24:40 I have yet to see new bad sectors in nand after years of flashing. Some devices were factory-shipped with two bs... Feb 29 09:25:07 probably 'B' class Feb 29 09:25:19 but you can see them at least... Feb 29 09:26:25 the problems aren't hidden from you by some random glue layer... Feb 29 09:26:50 large nand is an issue Feb 29 09:27:01 since omap3 and omap4 nand controllers are quite limited Feb 29 09:27:06 not enough ecc bits for mlc Feb 29 09:27:42 you barely need huge nand for system, do you? Feb 29 09:27:49 sure Feb 29 09:27:49 koen: this situation makes me remember an old thread where a guy claimed that 3 new SD cards ,one after other, were failing when inserting them in his ipaq :p Feb 29 09:27:50 I don't care about user stuff Feb 29 09:28:14 so we end up with NAND behind a physon controller Feb 29 09:28:19 :) Feb 29 09:28:21 that exports it as emmc Feb 29 09:28:29 and the nand controller on the omap4 sits unused Feb 29 09:28:37 not that we did not try to use it Feb 29 09:28:56 but the risk was too high to end up with a system that depends on specific nand vendors.... Feb 29 09:29:40 what baout boot time ?difference between boot times on nand and emmc? Feb 29 09:29:51 boot? Feb 29 09:29:59 what is that? Feb 29 09:30:24 android booting time Feb 29 09:30:28 ah, you mean android updates Feb 29 09:30:44 yes, you get ICS 3s later than me... Feb 29 09:30:44 hm, how often do you boot your phone/tablet? Feb 29 09:32:07 i was interested in android boot time differences ,when booting form nand and emmc. Feb 29 09:32:17 from nand and from emmc on omap4 Feb 29 09:32:37 3 seconds if wind is blowing from north :) Feb 29 09:32:56 about that Feb 29 09:33:10 as emmc is a static memory.it will consume more time for read /write Feb 29 09:33:15 ??? Feb 29 09:33:22 emmc is nand behind a controller Feb 29 09:33:37 its all NAND underneath Feb 29 09:33:41 all the way down Feb 29 09:33:47 *inb4 Feb 29 09:35:51 oh.sorry.i was under wrong impression about emmc. Feb 29 09:36:25 emmc = sdcard that you solder Feb 29 09:36:35 same protocol Feb 29 09:37:16 and read/write time?same as nand Feb 29 09:37:18 ? Feb 29 09:41:18 hitlin37: assuming the controller is not braindead, the raw read/write time is the same Feb 29 09:43:50 hmm Feb 29 09:44:37 of course you can have a totally l33t controller in your SDcard that does 1000x and spreads writes over so many NAND chips etc... Feb 29 09:45:35 your emmc chip is eMMC4.41 or eMMC4.5 Feb 29 09:45:56 because 4.5 one is faster Feb 29 09:45:59 i haz no idea Feb 29 09:46:14 the interface is faster Feb 29 09:46:39 adding 0.09 to the protocol spec does not make the NAND faster Feb 29 09:47:06 urs samsung? Feb 29 09:47:13 chip number? Feb 29 09:47:18 s3cr3t Feb 29 09:47:30 and I said physon already :) Feb 29 09:53:23 it must have some MMCVer? Feb 29 09:54:44 i dont know Feb 29 09:54:55 them low level guys are doing that Feb 29 09:56:21 av500 just works on the backend Feb 29 09:56:36 ok.i was workign on one from samsung.http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/flash-emmc/overview.haven't chechked it against nand booting Feb 29 09:56:59 in my case it's 8gb emmc Feb 29 11:04:25 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290677406685 Feb 29 11:27:25 :) Feb 29 11:28:57 poor farnell, ddosed :p Feb 29 11:29:31 I bet all the commercial customers are puzzled Feb 29 11:32:07 we're strawberrynymous! Feb 29 11:39:14 I would like to know, is there's an easy way to turn a beagle board into a gsm mobile phone? Feb 29 11:39:44 sure, attach a gsm module Feb 29 11:39:46 Like I know there are gsm modems that can interface with the board using uart or usb, but I'm not able to figure out whether or not making regular voice calls and talking to people would work. Feb 29 11:40:38 Would voice calls (both outgoing and incoming) work? Feb 29 11:40:38 Humanoid: I guess that - if the module supports them - you can connect a microphone and a speaker... Feb 29 11:41:58 I would have to plug the mic and speaker on the module? I was hoping for something that would go through the beagle board so that I could process the sound with my software running on the board. Feb 29 11:42:23 probably doable, but I wouldn't classify it as "an easy way" Feb 29 11:42:47 The standard uart and usb interfaces don't usually have voice/audio going through the interface? Feb 29 11:43:19 maybe you can find some gsm usb module that routes audio thru usb Feb 29 11:43:33 but I don't think I ever saw one Feb 29 11:43:41 Ahh... okay. :/ Feb 29 11:43:52 Humanoid: depends on the modem Feb 29 11:43:54 that doesn't mean it does not exists Feb 29 11:44:00 some 3g modems are data only Feb 29 11:44:11 I'd hack and android device.. Feb 29 11:44:17 an* Feb 29 11:44:21 some have mic+ear connectors Feb 29 11:44:26 some export it over usb Feb 29 11:44:28 ymmv Feb 29 11:45:12 get and android for 99 usd and connect it to the beagle Feb 29 11:45:14 an* Feb 29 11:45:24 Hmmm... Feb 29 11:47:32 Alright, I'll start looking for modems that specifically say they support voice, in one way or another. Feb 29 11:47:54 that's a good plan ;) Feb 29 11:48:37 voice support in a modem is rare Feb 29 11:48:42 for political reasons Feb 29 11:49:05 What kind of political reasons? Feb 29 11:49:11 Humanoid, you make take a look at the openmoko design and schematics Feb 29 11:49:12 also voice = more royalties, so the modem maker does not want to pay extra Feb 29 11:49:28 there are 3g chipset makers that only sell you chips if you dont offer voice Feb 29 11:49:29 no need to pay for all the audio codecs Feb 29 11:49:47 also, why at all voice in a modem Feb 29 11:49:58 what would be the use case anyway Feb 29 11:50:02 people use phones Feb 29 11:50:58 you could always connect up the mic/speaker jack Feb 29 11:51:18 So most mobile phones usually don't use modems? They connect to the IC using some other interface? Feb 29 11:51:37 of course Feb 29 11:51:48 Russ: if there is a jack Feb 29 11:53:14 Seaerching for "gsm" on digikey doesn't seem to give me any gsm IC's. Feb 29 11:53:51 lol Feb 29 11:53:52 sorry Feb 29 11:55:12 * mdp yawns Feb 29 11:55:19 Oh, wait it does. Didn't realize microwaves were considered radio frequency. Feb 29 11:55:19 ynezz: I tracked down the quoting problem: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/commit/4ac1e500a77eeb418195d11a1d3740e21190c291 Feb 29 11:55:31 av500, I always struggle to figure out what people mean by "omap3" Feb 29 11:55:53 sometimes it includes AMxxxx, sometimes not…wrt your nand comment Feb 29 11:55:56 mdp: davinci for sitara owners Feb 29 11:56:05 hehe Feb 29 11:56:39 335x has very capable raw nand support, unlike some older parts Feb 29 11:57:04 mdp: ic Feb 29 11:57:15 well, I meant OMAP3 Classic Feb 29 11:57:24 I figured Feb 29 11:58:18 other people seem to lump 335x in with "omap3", I sense TI has done little to make things clear about all this :) Feb 29 12:01:21 mdp: the sense in strong in you Feb 29 12:03:43 mdp: we started calling things 'omap3' to create some clarity when TI started the "it's not omap3, it's dm37x, am37x, etc, etc" Feb 29 12:04:35 of course new SoCs aren't omap3 derived Feb 29 12:07:04 Oooh... I didn't realize openmoko is still alive (GTA04), and includes all the schematics. Nice! Feb 29 12:07:30 alive might be pushing it Feb 29 12:07:36 resting is probably more accurate Feb 29 12:07:42 and it's not from brokenmoko inc Feb 29 12:07:45 in the parrot sense Feb 29 12:07:47 but from schaller inc Feb 29 12:11:38 av500, these are not the nands you're looking for Feb 29 12:12:05 devicetree should help out with that Feb 29 12:12:20 koen, mag found an omap3-ism the other day while looking at the total MMC breakage in mainline on am35x Feb 29 12:12:48 "OMAP3_HAS_SDRC" Feb 29 12:13:19 heh Feb 29 12:13:21 mdp: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=commitdiff;h=0625bb42fe10cebb87a0f72a0f064bc497e4e532 Feb 29 12:13:24 that's set but the code bangs on registers that aren't there on am35x since it has an emif Feb 29 12:14:23 mdp: I really hate how am3517 clutters up the 35xx namespace Feb 29 12:14:39 people assume it's an omap3530 without dsp Feb 29 12:14:51 right Feb 29 12:14:59 oh look, emif! Feb 29 12:15:11 and ethernet Feb 29 12:15:44 I got confused for a whiel thinking am3517 had an edma as part of the IP sharing with the l138/am180x stuff Feb 29 12:16:11 still sdma iirc Feb 29 12:16:14 yep Feb 29 12:16:31 only edma is inside the iva2.2 block..dedicated Feb 29 12:16:38 but that's an earlier rev anyway Feb 29 12:16:59 koen, nice patch, btw Feb 29 12:17:33 mach-omap2 ftw Feb 29 12:17:58 it made sense for omap2 + omap3 Feb 29 12:18:00 there's stuff that *could* be done like than on am3517 upstreamish, but I've opted to punt because "DT will fix everything" Feb 29 12:18:02 slightly less for omap4 Feb 29 12:18:08 or 5 Feb 29 12:18:33 or 6 Feb 29 12:18:44 I wonder what comes after omap6 Feb 29 12:18:54 the hsmmc mach-omap2 generic code assumes a 1:1 match between gpio signals and pads that can be muxed for that signal..which is true on omap3/4 Feb 29 12:19:18 koen, I look forward to The Ocho Feb 29 12:19:50 koen: anyways, it's cpu_is_omap$random() all the way down.... Feb 29 12:20:01 heh Feb 29 12:20:41 they should have named OMAP5 OMAP-S Feb 29 12:20:56 iOMAP Feb 29 12:21:12 OMAP galaxy HD supreme Feb 29 12:21:22 koen: OMAP galaxy HD supreme 2 Feb 29 12:21:30 "2" seems important Feb 29 12:21:47 I heard Crofton|work has an omap5 board for sale Feb 29 12:21:48 and there is rarely a 3 Feb 29 12:22:26 OM5P Feb 29 12:23:14 nice Feb 29 12:25:28 put "nebulus" and "prime" somewhere in the name and I'm sold Feb 29 12:25:48 OMAP Fascinate Incredible Z Feb 29 12:25:58 OMAP Thunderbolt Optimus Pro II Feb 29 12:26:21 in case people haven't caught on: http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/ Feb 29 12:26:40 old meme is old Feb 29 12:27:04 it's funny because it's true Feb 29 12:27:10 koen, just like creating pr0n names Feb 29 12:28:28 NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCODTbfLKSE Feb 29 12:29:01 any ETA on 3.5" cape support in kernel? Feb 29 12:29:31 * mdp wonders if 3.5" is dimensions on an LCD or the PCB itself Feb 29 12:29:39 will the bone XM support larger capes? Feb 29 12:29:57 mdp: LCD :) Feb 29 12:30:16 * mdp wonders if we will ever commonly discuss screen size in metric Feb 29 12:30:56 doubt it Feb 29 12:30:59 av500, gerald has a Bone Magnum planned to support larger PCB capes Feb 29 12:30:59 they made it a law here in germany a few years ago Feb 29 12:31:13 to have screen sizes advertized in metric Feb 29 12:31:27 the font size has reduced from readably to angstromic Feb 29 12:31:33 and it back to inches Feb 29 12:31:36 I can't believe the .us allowed that to happen Feb 29 12:31:37 it's Feb 29 12:31:54 if I'm traveling in .de, htf am I supposed to parse such an ad? Feb 29 12:32:01 you read the inch value Feb 29 12:32:03 i was in germany last june and didn't notice Feb 29 12:32:05 as in xx" Feb 29 12:32:06 *whew* Feb 29 12:32:31 crisis averted Feb 29 12:33:28 av500, probably a hot topic at G8 Feb 29 12:33:33 iirc someone lost a satellite because of wrong metric system Feb 29 12:34:06 metric v0.11? Feb 29 12:34:15 anyway, discusion is futile, like for the unity of beer :) Feb 29 12:34:45 where I live, the only time we don't use metric is for screens and wheels. the latter is because of the germans Feb 29 12:35:50 the only time I use metric in daily life is when discussing ambient temperature on irc with !.usians Feb 29 12:36:00 apparently TI is not very helpful :) Feb 29 12:36:03 and real work :) Feb 29 12:36:21 I have an email from someone asking about gpmc registers Feb 29 12:36:58 Crofton|work: depends on which TI you talk to :) Feb 29 12:37:39 true Feb 29 12:38:46 the right people are always highly shielded Feb 29 12:40:29 +1 Feb 29 12:40:47 part of my work description is to comb irc for TI people Feb 29 12:44:46 lol Feb 29 12:45:18 av500, hopefully you filter for the right ones on top of that Feb 29 12:46:10 mdp: next time, I will ask our 1st level support guys to put us through to you Feb 29 12:46:29 the guys that read a script? Feb 29 12:46:39 I think you can do way better than me Feb 29 12:46:48 no, they have a degree Feb 29 12:47:04 we are not calling to 0800 number Feb 29 12:47:07 they probably have far more education than I do Feb 29 12:47:33 I recall while at mvista that most of our support people had phds Feb 29 12:48:12 av500, I suppose you talk to "omap4 support", eh? Feb 29 12:51:13 phds in what? Feb 29 12:52:12 Crofton|work: customer annoyance Feb 29 12:52:19 cs/ce/ee Feb 29 12:52:59 I always wondered what people with phds did if they could not get jobs in academia Feb 29 12:53:07 flip burgers Feb 29 12:53:14 here they drive taxis Feb 29 12:53:39 at least until the economy picked up Feb 29 12:53:56 Crofton|work: most get regular engineering jobs Feb 29 12:54:04 in my mega cubicle at TI UK there were 2 PHDs Feb 29 12:54:11 one support guy, one sales guy Feb 29 12:54:32 mru, that's the case here…both guys were exceptional and enjoyed the customer support Feb 29 12:55:00 I spent a summer fixing hardware overengineered by a guy with a phd Feb 29 12:55:29 thermal issues Feb 29 12:56:08 the fix was to replace his complicated gradual slowdown with a simple thermal relay that shut the machine off if it overheated Feb 29 12:56:37 my sister spent all her time and money on a phd and now teaches uninterested students Feb 29 12:56:40 gradual slowdown of what? Feb 29 12:56:55 av500: firing rate of a studio flash Feb 29 12:57:20 what about "explode in one big flash" solution? Feb 29 12:57:30 the customers didn't like that one Feb 29 12:57:41 or the models Feb 29 13:01:46 customers need to be told what they like Feb 29 13:49:19 koen: sexy! Feb 29 14:04:42 Today doesn't count. Feb 29 14:05:03 hm, msp430 "wolverine" Feb 29 14:05:26 they're animals Feb 29 14:22:31 idiot farnell and RS components -.- Feb 29 14:22:49 who got to buy the raspberry? Feb 29 14:23:53 my supermarket has a few Feb 29 14:24:16 the wild ones are out of season here..I will be patient Feb 29 14:24:44 I hear there's a market for an rs232 shield Feb 29 14:24:45 sheeesh :/ farnells website crashed Feb 29 14:24:51 yes there id mdp Feb 29 14:24:53 *is Feb 29 14:24:55 :) Feb 29 14:25:07 how mad can you get... Feb 29 14:25:22 its like people queuing for those iphone bricks Feb 29 14:25:34 it's a bit more assembly required than most other dev boards Feb 29 14:25:35 /ipad bricks Feb 29 14:26:02 Can you run ubuntu on the Pi? Feb 29 14:26:55 most things are possible with enough blood, sweat, and tears Feb 29 14:27:02 I think you can Feb 29 14:27:05 …and budget Feb 29 14:27:08 but yes agreed with the comment Feb 29 14:28:31 hrm, crashplan is acting really goofy today Feb 29 14:29:46 is there any post which describes the li-vi365 composite video input board signal rerouting for the beagle ? ive been trying to find that for sometime now Feb 29 14:35:53 or is there anyother alternative to video input .. Feb 29 14:37:24 usb Feb 29 14:37:36 av500 any recommendations? Feb 29 14:37:56 no idea Feb 29 14:38:05 hmmm Feb 29 14:38:25 the routing of the li-vi365 should be simple Feb 29 14:39:03 arcanescu: didnt we talk about that before? Feb 29 14:39:37 av500: yes we did and you said the li-vi365 needs routing... im looking if someone has been able to do that Feb 29 14:39:58 ah Feb 29 14:40:02 not that I know of Feb 29 14:40:14 hmmmm Feb 29 14:42:02 I give up, what's the magic of the day to make dvi work on an xm? Feb 29 14:43:12 mru: arm make you work on omap3 again? Feb 29 14:43:28 mru: https://raw.github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-3.0/beagle/0011-beagleboard-reinstate-usage-of-hi-speed-PLL-divider.patch Feb 29 14:43:29 I just wanted to try something Feb 29 14:44:12 if that doesn't fix it, maybe mdp knows Feb 29 14:44:21 that might fix something Feb 29 14:44:24 but not everything Feb 29 14:44:34 well, depends on where you're starting from of course Feb 29 14:44:53 it's throwing a tantrum about "cannot parse default modes" too Feb 29 14:45:57 and that's after applying some patches to make it not give up on missing driver for the svideo output Feb 29 14:46:10 this all worked fine a year ago Feb 29 14:46:14 why did someone have to break it? Feb 29 14:46:30 job security Feb 29 14:46:46 habit Feb 29 14:48:58 now it doesn't complain about the clock any more Feb 29 14:49:08 but display still insists there's no signal Feb 29 14:52:30 mru: which kernel version? Feb 29 14:52:55 tomba: which one works? Feb 29 14:53:01 I'm not picky Feb 29 14:53:11 mru: angstrom kernel? Feb 29 14:53:13 pspatches Feb 29 14:53:24 koen, I wonder if the jtag breakage is job security as well Feb 29 14:54:03 I don't know, I've never even seen xM =). but mainline should work for beagle Feb 29 14:54:20 what's considered mainline? Feb 29 14:54:32 there is only one Feb 29 14:54:42 yes, but which one depends on who you ask Feb 29 14:54:47 morons Feb 29 14:54:48 well, latest rc or latest release Feb 29 14:54:56 mru, they need to be slapped around Feb 29 14:55:33 mdp: sure, but I only have so many trouts Feb 29 14:55:37 we've had to do a bit of a reeducation campaign around here to get that stuff fixed Feb 29 14:55:39 although thinking about it, it's been a while since I tested beagle... Feb 29 14:55:54 I was trying something 3.1.5-ish now Feb 29 14:56:03 yeah, I fished all our waterways clean of trout to take down to dallas and fix the problem Feb 29 14:56:06 mostly because that was already built and working Feb 29 14:56:22 mru: btw, I now have a nice 2ghz armv5 :) Feb 29 14:56:29 3.2.x is working-ish on xM Feb 29 14:57:11 mru: it does not even have heatsink Feb 29 15:06:06 av500: i had this usb controller video capture lying around i plugged it in usb and it says new high speed usb device using ehci-omap and address 6 Feb 29 15:06:16 product: usb 2.0 video capture controller Feb 29 15:06:28 manfuacturer: syntek semiconductor Feb 29 15:06:46 doesnt show up on ls /dev though Feb 29 15:06:58 you got v4l2 in kernel? Feb 29 15:07:09 or maybe it needs a driver Feb 29 15:07:13 google would know Feb 29 15:07:41 av500: using the kernel which came on beagle xm sd card Feb 29 15:07:54 does the kernel config have v4l2? on default? Feb 29 15:08:13 koen: saw the video with the can cape at ELC on youtube ;) many thanks! Feb 29 15:08:14 /proc/config.gz Feb 29 15:22:52 Do any of you know "Thara" or "Tarun" ? Feb 29 15:23:06 av500: v4l2 is y Feb 29 15:23:20 its there alright Feb 29 15:23:39 SilicaGel: are those names of people? Feb 29 15:24:25 I know a couple of Tara, is that good enough? Feb 29 15:24:35 arcanescu: apparently yes Feb 29 15:24:53 they are mentioned as the responsible persons for GP Timers in http://omappedia.org/wiki/HWMOD#Platform_.26_Power_Drivers Feb 29 15:25:07 SilicaGel: they are probably indian names Feb 29 15:37:27 SilicaGel: ask for GPTIMER12 Feb 29 15:37:39 no no no Feb 29 15:37:41 i would be killed Feb 29 15:37:48 MUST AVOID TIMER 12 Feb 29 15:38:01 is that like ordering a pizza with extra anchovies? Feb 29 15:44:24 * dwery loves secure timers... Feb 29 15:44:35 i think it's more like peeing on an eletric fence Feb 29 15:44:49 eclectic? Feb 29 15:44:56 electric Feb 29 15:45:00 hm Feb 29 15:45:04 derelict Feb 29 15:45:04 electrified Feb 29 15:45:27 I don't know how to translate "Electric Fence" into German Feb 29 15:45:28 !! Feb 29 15:45:37 weidezaun Feb 29 15:45:40 Let me put it this way ... you do not want to pee on one Feb 29 15:45:52 I know what it is Feb 29 15:46:06 Oh. Well, have you ever peed on one? Feb 29 15:47:00 * mru has not Feb 29 15:47:23 touching one while holding a metal rod stuck into the ground is bad enough Feb 29 15:47:23 elektrozaun? Feb 29 15:47:55 koen: we used that to keep the east germans out Feb 29 15:48:09 in fact they built it themselves Feb 29 15:48:42 av500: there are easycap drivers in /staging of the new kernel not in angstrom i guess Feb 29 15:49:03 they arent distrubitng them on sourceforge anymore ... sigh! Feb 29 15:50:55 linux/drivers/staging/easycap/ Feb 29 15:50:59 in .08 Feb 29 15:51:13 do they buld for arm yet? Feb 29 15:51:21 last time I tried they didn't build Feb 29 15:51:31 no idea, I can only operate grep Feb 29 15:52:21 any idea why it wont build? Feb 29 15:52:44 kernel 3.2.8 is _extremely_ flaky on the xm Feb 29 15:52:56 if I knewwhy I'd google up a solution :) Feb 29 15:53:09 (: Feb 29 15:53:17 arcanescu: why not try and find out? Feb 29 15:53:53 im trying to avoid the shedding tears situation by going for what is tested and works ... Feb 29 15:53:58 but yes I could Feb 29 15:54:21 hauppage devices have seemed to work Feb 29 15:58:52 mru, lovely :( 3.2.5 seemed to be working ok for me…nfsroot over the smsc95xx and playing with various usb devices so far Feb 29 15:59:02 mru, what have you found? Feb 29 15:59:49 all manner of random oopses Feb 29 16:00:04 ok Feb 29 16:00:04 Best kind Feb 29 16:01:18 although the monitor now says unsupported input Feb 29 16:01:42 excellent! Feb 29 16:02:08 I wouldn't go that far Feb 29 16:02:30 what rev btw? Feb 29 16:02:34 hi there. To whom may I contact to become a beagleboard distributor? Feb 29 16:02:49 rev B Feb 29 16:02:59 ok, same here Feb 29 16:03:11 roboweb: ask on the ML Feb 29 16:03:17 my employer can't afford to send me a newer rev Feb 29 16:03:21 :) Feb 29 16:03:24 ML? Feb 29 16:03:26 maillist? Feb 29 16:03:32 mainline? Feb 29 16:03:49 roboweb, go to beagleboard.org and find the mail list Feb 29 16:04:06 ok then Feb 29 16:04:08 thanks Feb 29 16:16:07 hmm, seems to run better if I drop the mpurate=1000 Feb 29 16:16:17 then of course the fucker runs at 600MHz Feb 29 16:16:27 and still no display Feb 29 16:16:59 mru: no proper 1GHz support in mainline Feb 29 16:17:03 800 is all you get Feb 29 16:17:10 without flakiness Feb 29 16:17:23 it worked fine at hacky 1GHz with 3.1... Feb 29 16:17:27 so wtf changed? Feb 29 16:17:54 and what does support 1GHz? Feb 29 16:17:54 I suspect they added better smart reflex support, so voltages dropped a little Feb 29 16:17:59 at 1ghz they need boosting Feb 29 16:18:08 mru: nothing supports 1GHz atm Feb 29 16:18:18 WHAT THE FUCK????!?!??!@? Feb 29 16:18:19 nothing in 3.x at least Feb 29 16:18:30 what is wrong with these people? Feb 29 16:18:30 * av500 has a nice kernel that does 1ghz Feb 29 16:18:36 av500: I have one too Feb 29 16:18:40 but it doesn't do display Feb 29 16:18:53 oh, 1ghz…don't do that Feb 29 16:19:01 why the fuck not? Feb 29 16:19:05 the chip supports it fine Feb 29 16:19:27 mru: it took me a few months to get the kernel team to admit they wrote drivers for ABB on 2.6.32 Feb 29 16:19:29 koen: and what's the new magic to pick the right display mode? Feb 29 16:19:48 this stupid thing is defaulting to 1080p30 Feb 29 16:19:49 disclaimer: I'm know expert, but it seems that we have problems with the ABB patches Feb 29 16:19:53 mru: the chip supports it if you have the right kernel Feb 29 16:19:59 like ABB Feb 29 16:19:59 mru: I've on;y gone up to 3.0.x, just adding the pll patch made things work Feb 29 16:20:00 for 1ghz Feb 29 16:20:02 s/know/no Feb 29 16:20:09 koen: any idea when kernel support for the circuitco 3.5" lcd cape will be out? Feb 29 16:20:24 koen: your patch makes it get the timings it requests Feb 29 16:20:32 now I need to make it request timings the display likes Feb 29 16:20:34 icota: I have untested kernel patches Feb 29 16:20:38 it does not like 1080p30 Feb 29 16:20:48 koen: care to share? i'd like to test Feb 29 16:20:49 understandable Feb 29 16:20:56 icota: but someone needs to write a driver for the PMIC pwm for backlight to work Feb 29 16:21:02 mru: no 720p mode? Feb 29 16:21:10 av500: how to select it? Feb 29 16:21:22 the old way just throws errors Feb 29 16:21:23 * av500 looks around innocently Feb 29 16:21:31 koen: not the same backlight as with the 7" stuff? Feb 29 16:21:42 icota: the pcb has options for both Feb 29 16:21:56 icota: the one on my desk uses the PMIC, so U3 is unpopulated Feb 29 16:22:06 koen, we don't officially support 1ghz atm because of some cascade of issues related to ABB Feb 29 16:22:30 mdp: I know, I was the one pushing for the sdk people to admit it Feb 29 16:22:34 koen: i'd like to take a stab at making it work, can you share the untested stuff you have? Feb 29 16:22:46 mdp: I started that campaign before you joined :) Feb 29 16:22:56 koen: so 720p... how? _please_ Feb 29 16:22:58 icota: yes, let me get my laptop Feb 29 16:23:06 koen: thanks Feb 29 16:23:14 koen, since I was never involved in releases…I kinda have missed the recent discussions that led to that the xm release not having 1ghz support Feb 29 16:23:20 koen, I don't doubt that :) Feb 29 16:23:28 I just know there was some recent discussion Feb 29 16:23:49 mru: on 3.0.x the regular stuff: omapfb.mode=dvi: Feb 29 16:23:58 mru: haven't tried anything more recent Feb 29 16:24:09 mdp: no 1ghz support for all dm37x boards Feb 29 16:24:30 mdp: most evms in the office are hot silicon, so 1ghz "works" Feb 29 16:24:35 the only person I've seen send something upstream for 1ghz was joel…and it caused oopses..still waiting for patches to be posted Feb 29 16:25:09 koen, ok, that sounds familiar Feb 29 16:25:57 icota: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/0001-beaglebone-untested-3.5-inch-lcd-cape-support.patch Feb 29 16:26:48 mdp: the initial plan from TI was to overvolt the cpu and not do abb Feb 29 16:27:04 av500: just looking at the beagle xm rev c schematics to see pin compatibility with livi 365.... therez no diagram for the "camera" input .... Feb 29 16:27:11 the 17x2 connector Feb 29 16:27:13 thankfully people realized overvolting is bad Feb 29 16:27:22 arcanescu: sure there is Feb 29 16:28:31 arcanescu: it largely is Feb 29 16:28:42 arcanescu: but it lacks 12bit support and gpios iirc Feb 29 16:28:50 it's been a while since I looked at it Feb 29 16:29:12 hmmmm.. Feb 29 16:29:17 is 12bit like timer12? Feb 29 16:29:28 ouch... Feb 29 16:29:44 finally... it's working Feb 29 16:29:47 the last bit is doomed... Feb 29 16:30:49 koen: i really think beagle lacks this.... need to comeup with some sort of a solution for this Feb 29 16:30:49 arcanescu: TVP5146 to OMAP3 works Feb 29 16:30:59 arcanescu: I can confirm that Feb 29 16:31:01 av500: how? Feb 29 16:31:06 how? Feb 29 16:31:29 av500: im looking at the schematic right now and Im not sure Feb 29 16:31:55 you hook it to the CCDC pins of the omap3 Feb 29 16:32:19 its the same 'camera' 17x2 connector right? Feb 29 16:32:28 yes Feb 29 16:32:38 it was designed to be compatible with the leopard stiuff Feb 29 16:33:05 arcanescu: yes Feb 29 16:33:16 ignore the connector, look at the OMAP3 pins Feb 29 16:33:22 then look at the TVP pins Feb 29 16:33:36 okay... on it Feb 29 16:33:37 you need I2C to setup the TVP Feb 29 16:33:44 then 8 or 10bit data and sync Feb 29 16:33:47 er, clock Feb 29 16:35:59 sync can be embedded Feb 29 16:38:29 arcanescu: we sold 2 generations of product with that combination Feb 29 16:41:45 av500 : which product? Feb 29 16:42:04 archos gen6 and gen7 Feb 29 16:42:39 hmmmm Feb 29 16:43:08 sync can be embedded means? Feb 29 16:43:52 arcanescu: read the data sheets Feb 29 16:43:57 av500: would i need to do changes in the tvp or v4l2 driver to get it to work after the pin configuration? Feb 29 16:45:07 i mean after routing to the correct pins? Feb 29 16:45:43 i dont know Feb 29 16:52:39 mdp: are you the gpmc export on am335x? It looks like I'll need to point a customer in the right direction for a custom gpmc driver Feb 29 16:53:02 koen: I think mdp is under export control Feb 29 16:53:15 you cannot ship him to a customer Feb 29 16:53:43 I know we ship him to customers within the US of A Feb 29 16:53:55 ship him to Cuba Feb 29 17:28:35 mdp-in-a-box Feb 29 17:29:24 koen, that's going to be someone else, I dunno who for that Feb 29 17:29:43 mostly since I changed official roles Feb 29 17:30:26 koen, there is somebody starting a rewrite of the gpmc mess to drivers/gpmc/ Feb 29 17:30:39 like DT that holds the promise of the future Feb 29 17:32:17 DT bindings for gpmc... Feb 29 17:32:38 I'm waiting for my world peas to arrive Feb 29 17:33:04 whirled peas Feb 29 17:33:10 mmm Feb 29 17:33:19 goes well with my open sores Feb 29 18:00:46 hello everyone, has anyone delt with taking a linux-omap system with USB OTG and turning that system into device mode? Feb 29 18:03:20 I have an OMAP 3530 with kernel 2.6.35 I would like to use as a USB device from Windows. Feb 29 18:17:04 mdp: world peas? Feb 29 18:17:42 koen promised me some if I boot with DT Feb 29 18:17:50 wtf are they? :) Feb 29 18:18:08 some weird European thing? Feb 29 18:19:09 Has anyone had experience with musb in device mode? Feb 29 18:21:34 mdp: speaking of which why did you guys pick musb? knowing what the 'm' stands for :) Feb 29 18:37:48 woah, davy jones is dead. Feb 29 18:41:05 mranostay, um, TI was even in my thought process back whenever they first put an musb core in some SoC Feb 29 18:41:11 s/was/was not/ Feb 29 18:41:30 good defense :) Feb 29 18:41:32 mentor? Feb 29 18:41:38 jay6981: yep Feb 29 18:42:03 mdp and I are ex-MENT guys Feb 29 18:59:52 Minimal Engineers Needing Training? Feb 29 19:00:03 Monsters Eating Nasty Teenagers? Feb 29 19:02:40 Many Excited Naked Tourists? Feb 29 19:03:07 mranostay, if only I had connections I'd try to get you in wider coverage in our promotional material Feb 29 19:03:23 mranostay, "here is a famous irc guy that loves our parts!" Feb 29 19:03:29 haha Feb 29 19:03:33 haha Feb 29 19:03:55 nm though, I am not empowered Feb 29 19:05:30 prpplague: so the Beacon Board can be use with the Bone right? as long I don't hook up the 1.8V logic on the EEPROM, correct? Feb 29 19:06:00 * mranostay notes there was a youtube video of it working on the Bone but no comments on if there was any 'hacks' to do so Feb 29 19:06:23 1.8V logic on what? Is the EEPROM on I2C2 1.8V ? Feb 29 19:06:24 mranostay: the eeprom supports a wide range of voltages, if just connect the 1.8V power rails to 3.3V you should be good Feb 29 19:07:13 crap, did I screw up? I laid out a cape, and I assumed all the pins taht weren't ADC on the bone were 3.3V Feb 29 19:07:27 s/assumed/thought I read in the SRM/ Feb 29 19:07:33 SilicaGel: they are for bone Feb 29 19:08:29 the SRM says 3.3V I/O on All Signals (except ADC) Feb 29 19:08:40 mranostay: if you just connect pin 1 of the header to a 3.3V should be good Feb 29 19:08:44 SilicaGel: correct Feb 29 19:08:51 whew Feb 29 19:09:28 heh Feb 29 19:09:40 * SilicaGel goes back to charting an accountant, to find, explore the funds offshore, and skirt the shoals of banksuptcy ... Feb 29 19:09:51 there's an app for that Feb 29 19:10:32 mranostay: please post on the wiki any info you collect! Feb 29 19:11:06 mranostay: there are 1000 beacon boards out there somewhere for people to play with, hehe Feb 29 19:16:14 man, I think sometimes I'd lose my own head if it weren't right next to my mouth Feb 29 19:27:36 prpplague: ooh, yes, I still need to document these jtag failures…at least I see that it's not specific to openocd/fs2 :-/ Feb 29 19:29:14 What is a beaglebone supposed to do if it detects 2 capes that want confliting pinmux configurations ? Feb 29 19:29:24 Is there some mechanism outlined for telling one of the two to F off? Feb 29 19:29:46 yes, smoke Feb 29 19:29:50 oh Feb 29 19:29:57 well tha i's a strategy, I suppose. Feb 29 19:29:58 hrm Feb 29 19:30:01 smoke signals Feb 29 19:30:58 I recall that scenario coming up in a hand-waving discussion Feb 29 19:31:38 assuming the SRM and posted discussions didn't define someting, you just define a convention for who wins in the stack Feb 29 19:31:53 e.g. closest one to the baseboard Feb 29 19:32:26 coupled with gratuitous exception case reporting Feb 29 19:32:36 which closest to the base board is determined by what Feb 29 19:32:50 probably base address of the EEPROM Feb 29 19:32:53 you know what would ahve been neat Feb 29 19:32:57 instead of saying use switches, Feb 29 19:32:58 there was supposed to be an address swizzle Feb 29 19:33:07 swizzle? I thought there were supposed to be switches Feb 29 19:33:19 I haven't review the currect stuff Feb 29 19:33:21 what is a swizzle, that sounds like something you would order at starbucks as an option on your $12 cup of coffee Feb 29 19:33:36 swizzle I borrow from my pci days Feb 29 19:34:23 the eeprom address was supposed to be defined such that each stacked cape shifts a bit and so each has a unique address based on position in the stack Feb 29 19:34:33 that'd be a cool way to do it. Feb 29 19:34:37 I don't think there's such a thing though! Feb 29 19:34:43 with that you know what is on the physically closest board Feb 29 19:34:58 I heard gerald describe it one day on a call... Feb 29 19:35:13 which had me thinking, "oh good, problem solved" Feb 29 19:35:17 according to urbandictionary, swizzle is actually a term coined y snoop dogg. it is also a mixed drink of rum, gin, and bitters. Feb 29 19:35:25 bah Feb 29 19:35:57 I don't know. In order to do that you'd have to pass up some kind of pins. But the pins don't chain in any way, it's a stack, a shared bus. Feb 29 19:36:08 What you're describing sounds like ti would ahve been nice Feb 29 19:36:13 where were you when they specified all this? Feb 29 19:36:14 :) Feb 29 19:36:19 we commonly referred to the way INTA-D are rotated in turn as you pass through P2P transparent bridges as "PCI interrupt swizzle"…back in the day..circa 1998ish Feb 29 19:36:41 yeah Feb 29 19:36:59 well physical location probably doesn't matter if everybody really uses these dip switches they're supposed to have and whoever puts the stack together makes sure they don't conflit. Feb 29 19:37:00 ct Feb 29 19:37:01 SilicaGel: I was just an interested party listening to the pre-release bone calls Feb 29 19:37:16 that sounds kind of fun Feb 29 19:37:28 yes, that worked well for ISA cards...not Feb 29 19:37:30 I heard it took them 8 months to do the board layout, do you think that's true? Feb 29 19:37:50 8 months? Feb 29 19:38:01 for beaglebone? Feb 29 19:40:14 that's a shame if it's not there then, but obviously dip switches accomplish the same thing Feb 29 19:40:36 once you get past the user error part Feb 29 19:50:53 koen: one more, ParseError at meta-ti/recipes-ti/gstreamer-ti/gstreamer-ti.inc:63: unparsed line: 'export PLATFORM_XDC = ${XDC_PLATFORM}' Feb 29 19:51:04 <_av500_> xdc Feb 29 19:51:05 <_av500_> haha Feb 29 19:51:16 what's that? Feb 29 19:51:18 <_av500_> rm -rf meta-ti/recipes-ti/gstreamer-ti Feb 29 19:51:23 :) Feb 29 19:51:33 <_av500_> ynezz: its TI's versoin of make Feb 29 19:51:55 hm, meta-ti-make Feb 29 19:52:31 <_av500_> ynezz: its the thing that had an issue of your path had a "." Feb 29 19:52:43 <_av500_> since its written in javascript and interprets that dot as something Feb 29 19:52:58 <_av500_> or so Feb 29 19:53:19 <_av500_> fun for ../foobar_1.2.3/... Feb 29 19:54:10 dots, spaces, symlinks, nasty stuff... Feb 29 20:05:03 btw. the "registered cape concepts" is only readable with a google+ account Feb 29 20:05:40 anyone her? Feb 29 20:05:45 *here? Feb 29 20:05:57 no, everyone is above Feb 29 20:05:58 somebody plz. guide me with the beagleboard Feb 29 20:06:01 aholler_: holy crap! Look at that!!! Feb 29 20:06:24 holy crap! Feb 29 20:06:26 i'm vie wonly! Feb 29 20:06:31 How do I add my cape to this list !!!! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 29 20:06:44 i can't even view it Feb 29 20:06:53 m new to the IRC and for the beagleboard too...plz do help Feb 29 20:06:55 would you like me to pirate it for you? Feb 29 20:07:03 no, thanks Feb 29 20:07:18 I'll describe it to you without giving you any details Feb 29 20:07:27 there are 30 proposed capes Feb 29 20:07:37 30? the list grew... Feb 29 20:07:58 One of them is called the InvisiCape - an invisible cape that is 0mm tall and doesn't use up any I2C addresses. Feb 29 20:08:13 beyond: ask your question Feb 29 20:09:26 @thurbad: sir, m just starting with the embedded linux SBC Feb 29 20:09:44 so how to start out with..m already referring to embedded linux primer Feb 29 20:09:52 I found a link right to this document but I have no idea whose it is or anything Feb 29 20:09:53 but i want something to do then read Feb 29 20:09:56 "sir".. Feb 29 20:09:58 Also Feb 29 20:10:06 The first header is supposed to say "Date" Feb 29 20:10:15 but instead dwery apparently took cell A1 over for himself Feb 29 20:10:25 did I? Feb 29 20:10:33 Here are the column headings: Feb 29 20:10:37 d'oh, it's true :D Feb 29 20:10:40 A1; http://www.towertech-can-cape/ Feb 29 20:10:47 A2: What is the name of your Cape concept? Feb 29 20:10:48 ... Feb 29 20:11:04 ?? Feb 29 20:11:05 I'll have to hijack A2... Feb 29 20:11:08 <_av500_> Capa Carnival Feb 29 20:11:10 <_av500_> Cape Feb 29 20:11:16 I have a theory that this is like in American phone books where one guy wants his tow truck company to be first so he names it AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA111111111111111111 TOWING Feb 29 20:11:26 to make sure he's first in the phone book. Is that what you did? Feb 29 20:11:36 hm, did I saw sir? Feb 29 20:11:39 absolutely! Feb 29 20:11:44 school projects anyone? Feb 29 20:12:04 hahaha...no no its not like any school project Feb 29 20:12:13 m just asking u ppl for help Feb 29 20:12:24 guess m at the right place Feb 29 20:12:25 Well is that like everyone on IRC whose names start with _ like _av500_ ? Feb 29 20:12:30 charity is at #rpi Feb 29 20:12:31 you get to be on the top Feb 29 20:12:32 :P Feb 29 20:12:42 <_av500_> jwinnebeck: they are called "wings" here Feb 29 20:12:45 the last time someone called me "sir" it took me three months and a letter of recommendation to handle the case :D Feb 29 20:13:04 kkk..what so ever Feb 29 20:13:06 beyond: generally it's a good idea to jump in and try stuff then ask when you come upon a problem Feb 29 20:13:09 <_av500_> beyond: you are the right place for specific questions Feb 29 20:13:19 <_av500_> beyond: this is not a step by step guide Feb 29 20:13:32 I can't even see who owns thsi document Feb 29 20:13:38 yeah, but what i want is that just provide the guide lines Feb 29 20:13:48 <_av500_> beyond: there are none Feb 29 20:13:57 <_av500_> there is all the stuff written on beagleboard.org Feb 29 20:13:58 the owner's nick should be gptimer12 Feb 29 20:14:07 <_av500_> then there is all the stuff written on "the internet" Feb 29 20:14:19 white lines ftw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ChjLMbXVrU Feb 29 20:14:20 yeah,, i have gone thru some text Feb 29 20:14:21 <_av500_> there is a mailing list Feb 29 20:14:27 but got a lot of confusion is there Feb 29 20:14:42 what's the confusion? Feb 29 20:14:43 <_av500_> as i said, specific questions might get answered here Feb 29 20:15:01 <_av500_> but its not the place to take you by the hand Feb 29 20:15:07 <_av500_> or tentacle Feb 29 20:15:31 I believe Feb 29 20:15:36 that jkridner is the owner of this document. Feb 29 20:15:41 yes, he is Feb 29 20:15:47 kk..since i download the uboot source, the support for the beagle board, "3530" one Feb 29 20:15:47 I bribed him Feb 29 20:16:01 I'm on BeagleBoard xM, rev C4. I've been reading all over the place about cross-compiling and CodeComposer and such...but can I just write code in Angstrom on the BeagleBoard, compile it on the BeagleBoard itself, and not have to bother with all that? Feb 29 20:16:09 <_av500_> yes Feb 29 20:16:11 <_av500_> you can Feb 29 20:16:23 <_av500_> and please unread about "Code Composer" Feb 29 20:16:27 Haha Feb 29 20:16:31 Okay, done :P Feb 29 20:16:31 i.e. there is no folder in the uboot for such Feb 29 20:16:34 yes.. much slower but you can Feb 29 20:17:16 <_av500_> SilicaGel: what is that cape url? Feb 29 20:17:19 If I could get an env set up (relatively easily) to say gcc --make-it-for-beagleboard, that'd be nice, but all the links I can find point back to CodeComposer Feb 29 20:17:26 <_av500_> ? Feb 29 20:17:27 are you trying to modify the u-boot source? Feb 29 20:17:29 <_av500_> what links? Feb 29 20:17:46 if not just download a known working version Feb 29 20:17:56 <_av500_> why bother with uboot at all Feb 29 20:18:01 <_av500_> use a precompiled one Feb 29 20:18:05 Yeah, I've got Angstrom running and things Feb 29 20:18:22 kk..u mean that i shud use a precompiled uboot image for the beagleboard Feb 29 20:18:30 <_av500_> yes Feb 29 20:18:36 <_av500_> unless you want to work on uboot Feb 29 20:19:01 Holy crap! Feb 29 20:19:01 fiveofoh: you can bitbake the environment with the angstrom setup scritps Feb 29 20:19:12 then the building work is just with the kernel Feb 29 20:19:12 You fill out that form and your row gets added to that document! Feb 29 20:19:27 no need for code composer Feb 29 20:19:29 _av500_: Links such as http://www.elinux.org/ARMCompilers Feb 29 20:19:33 SilicaGel: is that like a google doc? Feb 29 20:19:56 It is. And I knew google docs supported forms like this. I just have never actually seen anybody use them. Feb 29 20:19:58 jkridner++ Feb 29 20:20:03 Where is it Feb 29 20:20:06 I never saw a link Feb 29 20:20:25 <_av500_> fiveofoh: code *sourcery* Feb 29 20:20:27 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=t6jRM1CWiWcb6n7wJMZeFvg#gid=0 Feb 29 20:21:00 <_av500_> ha, my invisicape is still in there \o/ Feb 29 20:21:12 Ahh HAH! It was YOU! Feb 29 20:21:29 <_av500_> yes, I just remembered Feb 29 20:21:53 I was going to implement the invisicape in the kernel.. to enable spidev when there are no other capes Feb 29 20:22:22 _av500_: Ahhh I think I mixed those up Feb 29 20:22:28 * fiveofoh goes and looks for his CodeSourcery download Feb 29 20:24:30 Hokay, I'll get hacking on this one instead and see what comes of it Feb 29 20:26:12 SilicaGel: I just see a please register page, when I'm trying to open that with konqui. google docs is firefox only Feb 29 20:26:32 oh no Feb 29 20:26:37 or whater foo that needs Feb 29 20:26:41 we need to get jkrinder to fix that Feb 29 20:26:50 he can set the doucment up so that anybody can view it even if they aren't a google user Feb 29 20:27:02 I assume he would need to get rid of google docs Feb 29 20:27:10 naw Feb 29 20:27:49 <_av500_> aholler_: I can print and fax it to you Feb 29 20:27:54 <_av500_> I have a wooden table as well Feb 29 20:28:48 and I a power efficient atom Feb 29 20:29:21 <_av500_> you win Feb 29 20:29:50 intel already had Feb 29 20:32:27 aholler_: since you are apaprently stuck in the pre-google era, would you like me to print this out and fax it to you, or maybe send it as a Telex ? Feb 29 20:33:04 post it to a bbs Feb 29 20:33:39 Maybe I can find some of that old paper tape and a punch machine Feb 29 20:33:45 carrier pigeon? Feb 29 20:33:53 * SilicaGel runs away before aholler hits him Feb 29 20:34:12 just using firefox is enough, so either it needs cookies or some other foo my konqueror doesn't provide. Feb 29 20:35:35 pre-google was altavista, butthey loved to kill themself Feb 29 20:36:58 <_av500_> aholler_: is konqueror still being developed? Feb 29 20:37:34 <_av500_> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-baseapps/repository/revisions/master/show/konqueror Feb 29 20:37:37 <_av500_> 404 Feb 29 20:39:14 konquered Feb 29 20:39:57 altavista was great.. just not very user friendly Feb 29 20:40:01 <_av500_> i never understood kde policy where apps where always part of some package Feb 29 20:40:09 <_av500_> you could never download and recompile one app Feb 29 20:40:30 <_av500_> its always kde_base_extra_foo3 Feb 29 20:40:47 I never trusted ask jeeves Feb 29 21:02:29 _av500_: no need for that, without kde konqui doesn't make much sense. I use konqui because 1. I use kde, 2. I like urls like gg:foo, leo:bar, wp:thingy, and similiar. Feb 29 21:02:55 (together with alt-f2) Feb 29 21:04:08 <_av500_> aholler_: alt-f2 ftw Feb 29 21:04:25 <_av500_> and you can have xyz: in other browsers too, no? Feb 29 21:04:42 don't know, maybe. Feb 29 21:13:21 I'm having trouble replacing my kernel on my 'Bone. I installed ubuntu using the rcn-ee 11.10-minimal prebuilt image and script, then I built my kernel using the scripts from his linux-dev repo, finally installing the image/modules using the tools/load_uImage.sh script Feb 29 21:14:08 * _av500_ wakes rcn-ee Feb 29 21:14:20 when it boots it fails trying to load modules.dep though if I mount the rootfs and look in /lib it is in the right place and everything looks OK Feb 29 21:14:52 burris... "sudo depmod -a" should fix that error Feb 29 21:15:00 it's really no biggy.. Feb 29 21:15:13 on my cross compile machine? Feb 29 21:15:27 on the bone... that file will get regenerated... Feb 29 21:15:59 actually, to also update the uInitrd, just run the "./update_boot....sh" under /boot/uboot/tools/ dir Feb 29 21:16:00 but I can't login to the bone, when this happens I eventually get a login on the usb console but I can't type anything and the bone doesn't come up on the network or do anything Feb 29 21:16:58 little strange, the usb-serial console should be working. Feb 29 21:17:31 Wait, does that mean the kernel and rootfs are independant and you can use a debian rootfs with the kernel obtained from angstrom? Feb 29 21:17:57 99% of time yes.. Feb 29 21:18:37 burris, what serial terminal program are you using? did it work before the kernel upgrade? Feb 29 21:18:53 That is awesome news! Feb 29 21:19:24 I'm using screen on OSX for terminal, yes, it also works if I pop in one of the cards that came with the bone so I think that is OK Feb 29 21:19:51 but did it work, with my image, before you upgraded the kernel? Feb 29 21:20:39 btw., the kernel had some ftdi-related bugs which might annoy some bone using people. Feb 29 21:20:40 yes indeed, the preloaded image was fine, login on console and over ssh and everything was working (except I need realtime kernel for my audio application) Feb 29 21:21:49 so the "FATAL could not load modules.dep" error comes right after the message for running local-premount, maybe it's trying before mounting the fs? Feb 29 21:22:05 ah, so the config change might have broken it.. burris, from the linux-dev directory, can you pastebin.com "git diff" Feb 29 21:23:27 burris, that error happens everytime i install a new uImage/modules, but it doesn't stop anything from working like your seeing.. Feb 29 21:24:33 rcn-ee: http://pastebin.com/5FJjPYcU Feb 29 21:27:53 burris, thanks checking it out.. Feb 29 21:28:26 should I try the stable repo? Feb 29 21:29:39 nah, that won't boot... ;) Kernel support for the am335x is still in it's infancy... Feb 29 21:30:12 I'm using the rt patch at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/3.2/ if you're trying to reproduce thanks so much for creating and maintaining these tools, and helping me... Feb 29 21:31:26 humm, never tried that on arm, even with the xM/Panda... I've setup the repo, so by default it'll pretty much bootup and work on these boards, but once you start addding things.. well anything can go.. ;) Feb 29 21:32:40 you're right, I've never tried it on arm either, is the prebuilt image built with the non-preempt (server) or preemptible kernel (desktop)? if the former maybe just switching to the latter will be enough for my app Feb 29 21:33:22 well i disabled premption a couple releases back as the omap mmc driver couldn't handle it.. Lots of mmc errors on boot.. Feb 29 21:33:45 oh bummer, sounds like I'm asking for a lot of pain Feb 29 21:33:46 no idea if that's fixed yet.. was around 2.6.36/37 time frame.. Feb 29 21:34:31 I need low scheduling latency so I don't get skips when recording off usb while also using the usb for wifi Feb 29 21:35:09 I'll try the preemptible kernel without the rt patch and let you know how that works Feb 29 21:35:12 well, you just got to build, test, patch, rebuild, test. in small increments.. btw, if your doing small tweaks, there's another script ". ./tools/rebuild.sh" that'll just rerun makeconfig and make uImage on the existing KERNEL dir, saves a lot of time.. Feb 29 21:43:27 definitely, especially on my wimpy core duo laptop, thanks again! Feb 29 21:51:22 Hmm Feb 29 21:58:15 Where are the PINMUX registers defined? I dno't see anything in the TRM or the UM on this, how the heck can that be Feb 29 21:59:34 look for 'pad control registers' Feb 29 22:00:13 Thank you very much, got it. Feb 29 22:00:16 :) Feb 29 22:00:33 everything is defined in a TRM Feb 29 22:01:14 hello Feb 29 22:01:44 200 Ready, set, fire! Feb 29 22:01:51 burris, might be something in the rt patch, this config based on yours on top of v3.2-psp3 works fine.. http://paste.debian.net/158125/ Feb 29 22:02:01 ds2, just not the modes... Feb 29 22:02:28 mdp: then you must have the wrong TRM ;) didn't say which TRM Feb 29 22:04:13 Any one has customized the splash screen on a beagleboard-xm rev c with ubuntu? Feb 29 22:04:58 ds2, hehe Feb 29 22:04:59 antoniodemonio, like the u-boot orange thing or while it;s booting? Feb 29 22:05:01 ds2, ok ok Feb 29 22:05:39 what i want now is the table that says which pad control register maps to which ball Feb 29 22:06:14 what part? Feb 29 22:06:14 after beagleboard logo, when the ubuntu is booting. I need to put an image instead the linux tux Feb 29 22:06:38 all I can tell is that they start at offset 0x800 (TRM rev B section 9.3.1.50) Feb 29 22:06:42 I assume it's a BLOCK of them Feb 29 22:06:46 SilicaGel: that's in the datasheet Feb 29 22:06:54 antoniodemonio: you'll have to rebuild u-boot iirc Feb 29 22:07:06 depends on package used Feb 29 22:07:08 SilicaGel: register, ball, modes Feb 29 22:07:21 ah ok i think I found it, that's ginormous table 9.8 Feb 29 22:07:23 COOL Feb 29 22:07:29 PRUSS Pinmux, HERE I COME Feb 29 22:07:38 yes, generally multiple tables too Feb 29 22:07:46 as ds2 pointed out, be sure of the package Feb 29 22:08:01 yeah. It's ZCZ on the bone I think Feb 29 22:11:24 mranostay. Do you know any manual for my issue on beagleboard+ubuntu splash screen? Feb 29 22:11:25 I can't tell what makes it an output or an input. could _rx_active be that ? Feb 29 22:12:23 antoniodemonio, oh that one is pretty easy.. so in angstrom, they have a custom BeagleBoard.org logo instead of tux.. file is here: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-omap/beagleboard/defconfig#n2315 and logo here: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-omap/beagleboard Feb 29 22:13:17 mode: OMAP_PIN_OUTPUT | OMAP_MUX_MODE0 Feb 29 22:13:25 so linux think sthere's an OMAP_PIN_OUTPUT and an OMAP_PIN_INPUT Feb 29 22:13:30 just keep the cool pengin there Feb 29 22:13:30 I bet that's rx_active Feb 29 22:13:33 reduces heat ;) Feb 29 22:13:58 ds2, he's probally branding it as WincE.. ;) Feb 29 22:14:34 rcn-ee: that'll fail QA immediately. QA checks for the entire thing not working Feb 29 22:15:16 unless it's a clone device, it just has to look pretty.. not necessary work.. Feb 29 22:19:04 SilicaGel if that's bit5, then yes Feb 29 22:19:15 let me open it up again Feb 29 22:19:44 but 5 Feb 29 22:19:46 *snap* Feb 29 22:19:48 thanks, man Feb 29 22:19:56 np Feb 29 22:20:00 what i'm going to do is set the pin to pru externally Feb 29 22:20:08 then have the pru program itself only set the PRU internal pinmux Feb 29 22:20:16 which is only necessary because I happen to be usign PRU0 for this. Feb 29 22:20:38 it looks like I get 6 inputs and 6 outputs to screw with directly from the PRU Feb 29 22:21:07 I need to go through that and figure out which ones of those map to pins available on the bone expansion connector Feb 29 22:21:15 That is a frontier I have not ventured into yet… Feb 29 22:21:23 it's going to work! Feb 29 22:21:28 It all makes sense to me now. Feb 29 22:21:39 I need a better job. One that lets me exploit this new knowledge. Feb 29 22:22:19 bitbanger? Feb 29 22:22:31 <_av500_> pintoggler Feb 29 22:22:38 <_av500_> master muxer Feb 29 22:22:48 Yeah, think of it like a customized SPI Feb 29 22:23:43 I suppose the PRU can really manipulate any GPIO pin it wants via L3 to L4 Feb 29 22:23:57 but at much greater latency than simply writing a bit in either R30 or R31 Feb 29 22:24:11 <_av500_> just dont let it get selfconscious Feb 29 22:24:46 i'm more worried that the PRU, which TI says is unsupported (about 100 times a day on the forums), will be determined to be so top secret (like timer12) that they send the TI police squad after me Feb 29 22:25:03 or even worse, the TI assassins! Feb 29 22:25:13 cowboys? Feb 29 22:25:14 heh assassins? Feb 29 22:25:17 assasins ? Feb 29 22:25:20 <_av500_> SilicaGel: dont worry Feb 29 22:25:26 so if we see a Death by calculator, I will assume it is you, SilicaGel? Feb 29 22:25:28 why shouldn't I worry? They have killed before Feb 29 22:25:31 There used to be a timer13 Feb 29 22:25:39 or prehaps story about a guy bludgeon by a speak and spell? :D Feb 29 22:25:41 they ... erased the problem Feb 29 22:25:59 or a TI-99/4A Feb 29 22:26:02 could be one of those Feb 29 22:26:18 small, yes, but you still wouldn't want one inserted rectally Feb 29 22:26:56 <_av500_> I did notice some patches of lawn much greener than the surrounding areas at TI Dallas... Feb 29 22:27:00 <_av500_> not it makessense Feb 29 22:27:03 <_av500_> now Feb 29 22:31:23 so we can expect "texanian secrets" at wikileaks in the near future? Feb 29 22:32:37 SilicaGel: the PRU is unsupported, btw Feb 29 22:32:48 <_av500_> 101 Feb 29 22:33:13 we've been asked to spread the word in all forums :) Feb 29 22:34:01 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Feb 29 22:34:15 slap on a MSP430 Feb 29 22:34:20 it is easier and less painful Feb 29 22:34:40 it's really not very painful Feb 29 22:34:52 SilicaGel: if you have a favorite pub..well, rest assured some of our people will be there to notify everybody that the PRU is unsupported Feb 29 22:34:53 I just make it seem that way Feb 29 22:35:16 well maybe some day it will be supported Feb 29 22:35:47 and maybe if it's not, I can somehow make money off of being someone who figures it out for himself? Feb 29 22:36:24 If not, maybe I can use it to speed up the development of my death ray Feb 29 22:37:22 my fear now is that the bone wasn't designed for this, so my selection of pins that map to this thing may be far less than i would like. Feb 29 22:38:01 I'm pretty sure the bone legal disclaimer prohibits use in a death ray anyway Feb 29 22:38:09 too bad Feb 29 22:38:12 bone death cape Feb 29 22:38:14 just sell codecs, e.g. "additional bitbanged rs232 for am*" Feb 29 22:38:14 who's going to stop me? Feb 29 22:38:16 right under the not to be used in medical devices part Feb 29 22:38:49 I guess if you've got a death ray it's going to be tough to enforce that clause Feb 29 22:39:01 exactly my thought Feb 29 22:39:01 let me talk to legal about that Feb 29 22:39:04 so no implanted bones in the near future? ;) Feb 29 22:39:05 ok Feb 29 22:39:11 they're super useful Feb 29 22:39:19 I bet they're just as useful as our legal dept. Feb 29 22:39:43 Our lawyers' idea of contracts is "well, it's really safer for us if you don't work with anybody" Feb 29 22:40:03 ... but they'll change their tune when they're staring down the busines end of DeathCape Feb 29 22:40:22 * _av500_ hides undes the Invisicape Feb 29 22:40:39 is that like the most secure computer is one that is unplugged and locked in a vault? :D Feb 29 22:41:08 yeah, in fact the engineers refer to it as "$company vault" ... you nailed it precisely Feb 29 22:41:20 <_av500_> ds2: and shredded Feb 29 22:41:22 * mdp decides that his +4 Holy SwordCape is useless against this other stuff Feb 29 22:41:25 The vault is where all our I.P. goes to die Feb 29 22:41:37 it sucks, too. We have a lot of really talented people here. Feb 29 22:41:52 <_av500_> SilicaGel: in the vault? Feb 29 22:42:06 But universities are so friggin difficult to work with. It's awful. Feb 29 22:43:19 Hopefully my ARM death ray concept takes off. Everybody really seems to want a death ray that uses 80% less power than the intel death ray. It's good for the environment. Feb 29 22:43:53 silicaGel, I know, and I hate how hot my intel based death ray gets Feb 29 22:44:04 and it probably crashes a lot, too, I bet Feb 29 22:44:09 it helps agains unemployment and pensions too Feb 29 22:44:15 ...if I had a nickel... Feb 29 22:44:18 hard to hold? Feb 29 22:44:30 ok. back later, apparently it's my turn to cook dinner! Feb 29 22:44:49 silicaGel, finally, a use for atom processors Feb 29 22:44:57 <_av500_> atomize! Feb 29 22:50:25 atoms playing "Indian Love Call"? Feb 29 22:51:02 Russ: your neighbors might hear you! Feb 29 22:51:36 I say let them Feb 29 23:02:48 hi community! I bough today a lovely beaglebone but I stuck with it. I connected to my computer via USB and the drivers can not be found by my OS (Windows Vista). I tried to install the driver from the SD card, but my OS is not an english one, so the setup can't even start. I managed to start it anyway, but the installer said that failed to install ftdi drivers. The newest drivers from FTDI's official page are working either. I'm s Feb 29 23:03:56 I just want to connect to the root console, or maybe test its demo features (like node.js) Feb 29 23:04:32 <_av500_> did you check the mailing list? Feb 29 23:04:42 <_av500_> there was something there about these non-english issues Feb 29 23:07:29 yes, I found that thread and I can start the installer, but it fails to install the drivers :( Feb 29 23:09:13 <_av500_> daniel____: but you should be able to access it via the network Feb 29 23:09:18 <_av500_> if serial does not work Feb 29 23:09:24 <_av500_> tried that? Feb 29 23:10:43 <_av500_> so, it has come to this: https://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/29/amd-buys-seamicro-and-what-a-buy-it-is/ Feb 29 23:12:38 come to what? Feb 29 23:13:03 jay6981: http://xkcd.com/1022/ Feb 29 23:13:08 <_av500_> jay6981: to somebody posting a randon url on irc Feb 29 23:13:14 haha Feb 29 23:13:22 not sure why they'd think anyone would have to drive further :) Feb 29 23:13:48 any good schematics application for mac ? Feb 29 23:14:06 <_av500_> joppefan: there is not need for that on the max Feb 29 23:14:08 <_av500_> the mac Feb 29 23:14:09 I'm digging into it Feb 29 23:14:33 <_av500_> because you cannot outdesign the guys in cupertino Feb 29 23:14:36 my vid and pid doesnt match with the drivers' inf file, how can this happened? Feb 29 23:14:46 <_av500_> just go consume itunes, willya Feb 29 23:14:52 _av500_ :) … are you sure .. Feb 29 23:15:03 give me infinite of money and time and i will beat them :) Feb 29 23:15:21 <_av500_> the reside at Infinite Loop Feb 29 23:15:24 <_av500_> they Feb 29 23:15:35 <_av500_> there, outsmarted you again Feb 29 23:15:39 haha :) Feb 29 23:15:53 <_av500_> now please go consume and that $99 btw...thx Feb 29 23:19:48 _av500_: so if you outsmart me all the time is gEda any good ? for small hobby projects ? Feb 29 23:20:37 <_av500_> joppefan: no idea, I do SW :) Feb 29 23:21:01 it's certainly not good for _all_ small hobby projects Feb 29 23:21:25 mkay then its install windows in vmware i guess :) Feb 29 23:21:45 <_av500_> joppefan: I like Eagle, but people dont like that the free version of eagle is limited Feb 29 23:22:06 <_av500_> only one schematics page and 1/2 euro pcb Feb 29 23:22:26 mm .. i tried that way back in school .. Feb 29 23:22:38 <_av500_> joppefan: it still looks the same :) Feb 29 23:23:11 what a shock :) Feb 29 23:44:27 eagle does have a linux version, I think ubuntu even has it packaged in universe Feb 29 23:44:35 but I really prefer the gEDA toolset Feb 29 23:45:29 gEDA lacks libraries Feb 29 23:55:11 eh, libraries tend to be outdated anyway Feb 29 23:57:39 do they really? Feb 29 23:57:43 russ what version? Feb 29 23:57:53 what version of ubuntu and what version of eagle Feb 29 23:58:23 Version: 5.12.0-1ubuntu1 Feb 29 23:58:30 oh Feb 29 23:58:31 too old. Feb 29 23:59:23 russ have you lookd at kicad ? Feb 29 23:59:33 only briefly Feb 29 23:59:39 I finally gave up n all these free tools and started using eagle. then bought a hobbyist license. Feb 29 23:59:46 It was super fast to learn Feb 29 23:59:52 much less painful than cadence/allegro that we have at work Mar 01 00:00:00 pretty reliable Mar 01 00:00:18 not as flexible as allegro for sure Mar 01 00:00:36 installing it on my older ubuntu was kind of a nightmare though. Mar 01 00:00:46 http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/RussDill/?action=view¤t=nesa_top.jpg Mar 01 00:00:54 thats my biggest geda project Mar 01 00:01:08 i'll tell you this though, if you wanted to give kicad a real try, the guys on ##pcb will bend over backwards to help you Mar 01 00:01:23 hey that looks pretty nice. What does it do? Mar 01 00:01:58 Does that say Prefered Internal Technology? Mar 01 00:02:02 Shouldn't it be Preferred? Mar 01 00:02:07 maybe not haha Mar 01 00:02:17 its a LART clone Mar 01 00:02:24 btw the latest eagle has the libraries in xml format. it shouldn't be hard to convert them for kicad or gEDA Mar 01 00:02:25 I don't know what a LART is Mar 01 00:02:35 except I think I once heard the world needs more of them. Mar 01 00:02:48 open strongarm platform Mar 01 00:03:00 no wait, I'm thinking of LERTs Mar 01 00:03:04 http://www.lartmaker.nl/ Mar 01 00:03:14 luser attitude readjustment tool Mar 01 00:03:26 http://www.lartmaker.nl/gallery/lart_front.jpg Mar 01 00:03:54 http://images2.cpcache.com/product/85803542v9_240x240_Front.jpg Mar 01 00:13:13 so that is XscaleV2? Mar 01 00:20:48 Russ: Geez, what happened to that crystal? Mar 01 00:21:27 Ah, they swapped them in layout Mar 01 00:21:28 Nice Mar 01 00:28:32 dear mouser, i hate you, love, chris Mar 01 00:31:56 My eye for a 2mm 1x10 SMT receptical for an Xbee! Mar 01 00:40:31 wtf is with so called "drivers" thesedays Mar 01 00:41:03 Thanks to modern materials, they are lighter and you can make the ball go farther? Mar 01 00:42:18 so many of the drivers are a damn pass through for uinput Mar 01 00:42:33 or i2c-dev Mar 01 00:46:54 what kind of moron would make this connector ot have a pilot hole Mar 01 00:55:54 SilicaGell: what are you complaining about? Mar 01 00:56:25 i'm working on my Xbee cape layout and I want to pick an SMT receptical because with cheap ass board houses routing between 2mm pins is dicey Mar 01 01:11:39 SilicaGell, you could give yourself more space by making the hole bore holes a pad only on one side Mar 01 01:12:03 hrm yeah Mar 01 01:12:04 SilicaGell, then for each layer, you'd only need to set traces off by the drill tolerance Mar 01 01:12:13 i wonder if eagle gives you that kind of control over the padstacks Mar 01 01:12:34 dunno, but a lot of board houses don't do unplated Mar 01 01:12:44 yeah, that makes me sad Mar 01 01:15:22 really? Mar 01 01:15:29 never had a problem with unplated holes Mar 01 01:15:53 this is a key pin for SMT connectors? Mar 01 01:16:14 yeah, i mean i'm using cheap ass chinese board houses Mar 01 01:16:31 normally the process is: drill,plate Mar 01 01:16:38 to o an NPT they have to go drill, plate, drill Mar 01 01:16:49 I use bare bone houses Mar 01 01:16:57 and youg et NPTs ? Mar 01 01:17:03 yep Mar 01 01:17:09 for key pins on SMT connectors Mar 01 01:17:15 and for mounting holes that I don't want grounded Mar 01 01:18:50 ok Mar 01 01:18:54 mayb batchpcb DOES do it ? Mar 01 01:18:58 damn Mar 01 01:19:02 but i dunno Mar 01 01:19:41 no see Mar 01 01:20:02 i put down "Mounting hole 2mm with drill center" which is a hole, with no pad, and it only shows up on the drill rawing Mar 01 01:20:07 it should NOT be plated but it came back as such Mar 01 01:20:21 do you use someone as cheap as batchpcb? Mar 01 01:20:36 ah they say it. all drill hits are plate. in their stupid faq. Mar 01 01:20:43 so they just suck Mar 01 01:26:13 ok i have the answer. Mar 01 01:27:38 If the standard pad shapes are not sufficient for a particular package, you can create arbitrary pad shapes by drawing a polygon around a pad, or by drawing wires that have one end connected to the pad. Mar 01 01:27:46 Yuck man Mar 01 01:36:40 ewwww batchPCB Mar 01 01:39:38 the problem with my xbee cape Mar 01 01:39:41 is that to sell it Mar 01 01:39:50 i would have to sell enough of them to buy the commercial eagle license. Mar 01 01:39:53 that's $800 Mar 01 01:40:08 because i'm pretty honest when it comes to software licensing Mar 01 01:40:29 or partner with someone else Mar 01 01:41:10 i wonder how much eagle historically charges for major upgrades Mar 01 01:41:14 like from 4 to 5, or 5 to 6 Mar 01 01:41:32 it is a precentage of price diff Mar 01 01:42:58 a large percentage? Mar 01 01:43:02 or a small one? Mar 01 01:43:36 if I recall right, it wasn't that large of a precentage Mar 01 01:43:49 I have 5, probally will go 6 Mar 01 01:43:58 worse is 100% of the difference Mar 01 01:44:53 ok so Mar 01 01:45:09 the prices aren't unreasonable Mar 01 01:45:25 do you have hobbyist? Mar 01 01:45:37 this guy makes it look like $275 Mar 01 01:45:41 http://www.stratforddigital.ca/eagle/eagle-v6-license-upgrade/eagle-v6-standard-upgrade Mar 01 01:46:13 no Mar 01 01:46:14 standard Mar 01 01:46:18 that might be right Mar 01 01:46:25 5 was around $500 Mar 01 01:46:37 oh okay and now it's like $800 I think Mar 01 01:46:53 yeah Mar 01 01:47:14 don't have my quotes around but those were the ball park numbers Mar 01 01:47:26 and they are helpful Mar 01 01:47:55 yeah Mar 01 01:48:06 i gather that they'll let me pay the difference if I wanted, so $800ish - $169ish Mar 01 01:48:32 you looking at the router? Mar 01 01:48:39 well i have all 3 now Mar 01 01:48:45 i don't know that i really care about teh auto router to be honest Mar 01 01:48:55 I didn't bother with it myself Mar 01 01:49:21 that'd a good point though Mar 01 01:49:55 i could just ask them to let me upgrade to standard layout_schematic Mar 01 01:50:10 i tried the autorouter Mar 01 01:50:13 it couldn't route my board. Mar 01 01:50:21 and what it did do, was a huge mess. Mar 01 01:50:22 not sure if you can just throw out a component Mar 01 01:50:36 oh. Mar 01 01:50:39 for jobs big enough to need an autorouter, I'll get a layout specialist :D Mar 01 01:50:45 yeah i know, right? Mar 01 01:50:47 at work we have spectra Mar 01 01:50:53 routing your board is like writing a program Mar 01 01:51:07 you have to pay super attention to net attributes, then set routing priorities then let it go Mar 01 01:52:07 never liked autorouters in general Mar 01 01:52:12 i agree Mar 01 01:52:20 they don't consider all the details Mar 01 01:52:37 so eagle woudl probably let me either get a new license for standard schematic layout for $575 Mar 01 01:52:45 or upgrade to the $800 package for some amount of money Mar 01 01:53:17 mail stratford digital...they are more authoritative then us conjecturing Mar 01 01:53:42 anyone avail/. to help me out a second? Mar 01 01:54:13 first, i installed a preinstalled image of ubuntu 11.04 and i get stuck at a login screen. No user/password combo works :/ Mar 01 01:54:29 then i have just installed a image angstrom and am not able to startx Mar 01 01:54:49 i want a gui, not a terminal :/ Mar 01 01:58:39 then install an angstrom image w/a GUI Mar 01 01:58:57 i did, or i thought so Mar 01 01:59:05 what is the image name you used? Mar 01 01:59:12 just found a cmd of opkg install angstrom-x11-base-depends Mar 01 01:59:14 hoping it works Mar 01 01:59:36 which angstrom image did you install? Mar 01 02:00:51 hmm anyone to check from terminal? Mar 01 02:01:09 linux n00b here wanting to make a table for the car that includes wifi Mar 01 02:01:15 name of file used Mar 01 02:01:20 so i can check email and reearch on the raod Mar 01 02:01:50 i used the builder off angstroms site Mar 01 02:01:58 name of file used Mar 01 02:03:38 did you make an X11 image, or console? Mar 01 02:05:28 x11 image Mar 01 02:05:42 but i typed startxfce4 and i got xfe Mar 01 02:05:52 xfce Mar 01 02:07:27 im new to this whole thing, so please be patient with me in the future Mar 01 02:15:02 how do i use a gui with angstrom!? Mar 01 02:15:09 now it freezes Mar 01 02:15:40 dammit, I went and trusted dave on the connector for the beacon board (link on elinux.org/beaconboard). The pins on the beacon aren't long enough to mate Mar 01 02:17:36 "oops" Mar 01 02:18:06 I know, I went and soldered it on and everything Mar 01 02:18:19 man fuk this Mar 01 02:18:25 now i have to redo it all over Mar 01 02:20:49 Russ: mate with what? Mar 01 02:21:14 the pins that came on the beaconboard connector are very short Mar 01 02:21:35 that's why expansion boards should have female connectors :D Mar 01 02:22:09 ok anyone know if a realtek 8187l chipset work with angstrom out the box? Mar 01 02:22:39 Russ: yeah i noticed that :/ Mar 01 02:23:36 I'm pretty sure the male connector listed on the beaconboard page is not the connector that came on my beaconboard Mar 01 02:23:48 the data sheet lists it as having .220 posts Mar 01 02:25:16 ok Mar 01 02:25:22 so ima reinstall thins image Mar 01 02:25:32 so once i get to the login screen type root Mar 01 02:25:38 then how would i start the x11? Mar 01 02:25:49 IRanNaked: loos likelinux supports that adapter Mar 01 02:26:41 if you create a x11 based image it should prompt for a new user/password the first time you boot in the gui Mar 01 02:27:05 X will autostart Mar 01 02:27:33 but let's say it wont or doesnt? Because to me i just got into the angrstrom console menu Mar 01 02:27:38 i mena terminal Mar 01 02:37:05 anyone want a cig? Mar 01 02:37:53 * mranostay notes there are some weird people in this channel Mar 01 02:38:49 yeah ^ Mar 01 02:38:52 u Mar 01 02:39:48 now help me make a wifi roughe router and wep crakcing and wpa bruteforce upon start up pl0x Mar 01 02:43:33 we really needs ops on this channel Mar 01 02:43:52 need more active members for that right? Mar 01 02:48:06 while we are on needs... a dozen crickets wouldn't hurt either Mar 01 02:49:46 * mranostay gets ready for 84 years of bad luck Mar 01 02:50:20 just for the ambience Mar 01 02:51:22 does bad luck run consecutive or concurrent? Mar 01 02:51:48 north america or european? Mar 01 02:52:26 teh interwebz Mar 01 02:55:22 mranostay: pop over to #ircops4rent and get one? 8) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 01 02:59:59 2012