**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 02:59:58 2012 Mar 13 03:00:00 Russ: http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16154&cat=0&page=1&featured Mar 13 03:00:09 Russ: you could do a small pcb like that Mar 13 03:00:33 where to to get wince7 bsp ? the one I download from Ti does not sysgen, with no modification its fail to build ! Mar 13 03:00:53 Russ: that would be a handy addition to the tincantools stuff Mar 13 03:01:40 my vs2008 and ce700 all up to date and hase all available update Mar 13 03:01:54 the only problem is that as designed, it would block the jtag port..hmm...need to switch stuff around a bit Mar 13 03:03:35 so to get this strate, is there any kind of support from beagleboard.org ? or they just hiding behind a wall here ? Mar 13 03:04:53 who would handle the return ? mouser ? Mar 13 03:06:17 beaglebord.org should definetly make it clear that the demo image shiped with this board is a extremly limited demo, and serve absolultly no purpose Mar 13 03:06:23 bela: wat Mar 13 03:06:39 also $500+ if some would like to work with wince7 Mar 13 03:06:44 the demo image shipped with the board is a full featured Linux system running multiple servers Mar 13 03:07:05 the one I got from mouser has win ce7 Mar 13 03:07:28 ah, odd Mar 13 03:07:29 and I would prefer ce7 anyway ! thats the reason why I got it Mar 13 03:08:04 its been years since I had RH6 on my PC Mar 13 03:09:42 got to deep with vs05 and vs08, tried to change to linux or Android but feel like taking the first baby steps all over again Mar 13 03:11:33 anyone here works with ce7? Mar 13 03:11:49 msft is not popular here Mar 13 03:13:20 what would be the best palce to get some help for ce7, Ti forum kinda dead, looks like there is a few guy talk about their progress and there is 100's of unanswered post Mar 13 03:14:33 probably msft Mar 13 03:16:51 msft dont know anything abouth beagleboard, this board not partner with ms, I got a image from china, work wery well but using rom-ram fs and nom presistent filesystem, dont have all the latest CF, cant update it since everything store in a ramdisk Mar 13 03:17:38 tough using closed source software on an unsupported board Mar 13 03:17:58 yeh telme about it ! Mar 13 03:18:35 anyone from Canada here, I will sale this board with a 7" touch LCD for $200 Mar 13 03:21:30 every time I come here there is 100 user on the list but not more than 1 or 2 chat !? Mar 13 03:21:52 I'm here. I just don't have much to say about wince. Mar 13 03:21:57 it's how irc works Mar 13 03:23:13 I guess I'm not that big on IRC, looking for a ce7 user, who might sale me a working ce7 image built to some usable specs Mar 13 03:23:41 good luck... most people on irc aren't that into windows i'd guess Mar 13 03:24:45 thanks all... Mar 13 03:38:36 * XMPPwocky works on getting a prettier UART open Mar 13 05:18:27 Hey: is it customary to use BSS for the heap? Mar 13 05:18:43 *.bss Mar 13 05:52:12 XMPPwocky: come again? Mar 13 05:53:33 bss section is the undefined static variables (nulled out) Mar 13 07:34:36 Hey everybody Mar 13 07:35:48 i got a noob question: I bitbaked my console image and put MLO, uboot.img and uImage-beagleboard.bin on my boot-partition Mar 13 07:36:04 it will be stuck in boot-mode Mar 13 07:36:41 am I missing something here? Mar 13 07:37:55 maybe wrong bootparms? Mar 13 07:38:01 anybody? Mar 13 07:38:08 any console output? Mar 13 07:39:22 sure... but no error messages Mar 13 07:39:34 uImage-beagleboard.bin Mar 13 07:39:43 is it called that on the card? Mar 13 07:40:22 i guess it will take the /boot/uImage from the xt-Partition first anyway Mar 13 07:40:33 it may work without it Mar 13 07:40:42 pastebin the boot log Mar 13 07:40:49 http://pastebin.com/jRJYAdbY Mar 13 07:41:53 no errors there Mar 13 07:42:07 want my bootargs too? Mar 13 07:43:13 http://pastebin.com/LnxtUTFN Mar 13 07:44:21 could it be the bootargs? Mar 13 07:44:33 tl:dr Mar 13 07:45:32 seriously, whoever came up with the idea to make bootargs a game of thrones script should be flogged Mar 13 07:45:54 i didn't change them Mar 13 07:46:04 and its line 68 in your kernel pastebin Mar 13 07:46:59 so what again is your issue? Mar 13 07:47:27 no boot Mar 13 07:47:47 see line 303 and have a look at the time :) Mar 13 07:47:51 it clearly shows the kernel booting... Mar 13 07:48:03 well yes but no getty Mar 13 07:48:10 or login promths Mar 13 07:48:14 etc Mar 13 07:48:28 did you check inittab? Mar 13 07:49:24 [ 3.849182] VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2. Mar 13 07:49:28 so root mounted Mar 13 07:49:36 there is no such thing as inittab in Angström Mar 13 07:49:42 ah, systemd Mar 13 07:50:05 :) confused me as well Mar 13 07:50:56 that makes me quite clueless...this is why i thought it may be a wrong boot-config Mar 13 07:51:41 i seems to me as if the system wont run the systemd Mar 13 07:52:19 but i am not familiar with Linux systems yet since i recently changed :) Mar 13 07:53:58 so mounting shouldnt prevent the system from booting. the default image does the same thing Mar 13 07:54:22 well, mounting the rootfs helps with booting a lot Mar 13 07:56:10 :) it is mounted Mar 13 07:56:58 i meant RO mounting...to corect my post above :) Mar 13 08:01:40 so bootargs are ok? Mar 13 08:02:53 seems ok to me Mar 13 08:04:06 do i have to add any package to console-image in order to have a fully functionable system? Mar 13 08:05:02 it seems t me that the default /bin directory holds all files neded Mar 13 08:05:06 needed Mar 13 08:10:42 is there any recent how to for bitbaking and configuring your own oe kernel? i might have missed something...all i found is old information Mar 13 09:07:10 Has anyone here used an McBSP other than McBSP2? I'd love to get some pointers/help, I've been googling/reading all over the place and my head is spinning with no further understanding. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 09:48:19 2012 Mar 13 09:59:50 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-17345934 Mar 13 10:15:15 wow, this is hilarious https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/848154 Mar 13 10:18:39 :D Mar 13 10:19:04 "I am going to VEHEMENTLY AND VIOLENTLY DISAGREE with this position." Mar 13 10:19:12 I need to save that to my clipbaord Mar 13 10:19:26 Invalid -> Confirmed -> Invalid -> Confirmed -> Doomed Mar 13 10:21:15 ubuntu tv on rpi? are those guys crazy? Mar 13 10:21:31 that unity crap is unusubale even on my i5 with 4gb of RAM Mar 13 10:21:45 s/unusubale/unusable/ Mar 13 10:23:35 ynezz: you know that, I know that, canonical knows that, but 100k people dont Mar 13 10:23:41 this is what happens when u get a age old arm11 on new pie Mar 13 10:23:42 yup Mar 13 10:23:48 because "its on youtube" Mar 13 10:28:11 ubuntu tv will just be yet another tv service which can tell you the weather but no actual TV Mar 13 10:28:18 dont see what the fuss is all about Mar 13 10:28:50 actually r-pi guys did the mistake of having slower processor on board.now,they want everyone to do the mistake by having to support it. Mar 13 10:29:05 the slow cpu is not the mistake Mar 13 10:29:26 promising it will do everything was Mar 13 10:29:28 I heard the rumour they got the CPU for free as its basically advertising, so no mistake :-D Mar 13 10:29:47 XorA: I dont think its free, cpu like that is $5 Mar 13 10:30:48 the r-pi BOM is nothing special Mar 13 10:30:53 we could build it at that price Mar 13 10:31:37 avr-pi :-D Mar 13 10:31:48 there are $99 android tablets Mar 13 10:31:53 with 1ghz A8 Mar 13 10:32:05 so guess how much the bare PCB is to manufacture Mar 13 10:32:12 <$35 for sure Mar 13 10:33:05 hmm, I should troll my CFO into building that :) Mar 13 10:40:46 I expect at least 9000 of the first 10,000 batch of rpi to sit unused Mar 13 10:41:51 XorA: I can imagine a lot of people unboxing it, then realizing that they have a VGA monitor only..... Mar 13 10:42:04 so they spend $25 on a HDMI to VGA cable :) Mar 13 10:42:07 which will not work Mar 13 10:42:35 an oxygen depleted gold plated cable :-D Mar 13 10:44:36 open moko had a similar rabid community, as it turned out 99% of the community was there for the hype and couldnt code "hello world" in any language! Mar 13 10:45:32 so with most people on VGA, they will have to fight with their older sister for the family flatscreen Mar 13 10:45:37 it will be like in C64 days.... Mar 13 10:45:46 * XorA laughs Mar 13 10:45:57 booo beep booo beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Mar 13 10:46:51 I have a RGB->VGA for my Spectrums, Sam Coupe, QL and Amstrad, but no RGB on a C64 :-( Mar 13 10:58:54 av500: 100k? RS alone has 200k that registered interest... Mar 13 10:59:39 Of course, uniqueness of those registerings is questionable Mar 13 11:07:06 zuh: well, 100k, 200k, all the same to me Mar 13 11:09:53 200k is still nothing Mar 13 11:09:58 there are _billions_ of idiots out there Mar 13 11:10:18 getting $35 from each of them must be profitable.... Mar 13 11:10:34 * av500 needs to talk to his CFO.... Mar 13 11:15:55 * ogra_ grins about av500 finding my pet bug Mar 13 11:16:02 :) Mar 13 12:09:33 ogra_ / av500 - violently? did he blow himself up in front of canonical HQ? ;) Mar 13 12:10:15 well, that bug caused mails in my inbox which were close to a thread of that Mar 13 12:10:25 ouch :[ Mar 13 12:12:01 ogra_, blame LetoThe2nd for finding the bug Mar 13 12:12:10 heh Mar 13 12:13:04 well, its still actively posted to ... and the starting sale of the R-Pi seems to give it a revival again ... i wouldnt have answered if i wouldnt be able to hit delete in my inbox ;) Mar 13 12:29:26 hi, I would like to connect a device to beaglebone that provides output at 3W, 125mA max, 25VDC max. what interface do you recommend me to use? Mar 13 12:29:30 on beaglebone? Mar 13 12:37:19 random_: to what? how? Mar 13 12:37:34 A sensor Mar 13 12:37:54 I want to connect the output of the sensor to the beaglebone Mar 13 12:38:12 but i don't know how I should do, I am very new on it Mar 13 12:38:15 do you have a data-sheet for that sensor? Mar 13 12:38:32 very short one Mar 13 12:38:49 it is a completed product Mar 13 12:38:57 off shelf product Mar 13 12:39:03 what is it? Mar 13 12:39:11 bosch od850 Mar 13 12:39:15 then what is the data bus it has? or is it an analogue sensor? Mar 13 12:39:31 it gives a DC voltage Mar 13 12:39:50 output rate is 3W, 125mA max, 25VDC max. Mar 13 12:40:10 I guess it is just logic 1 and logic 0 Mar 13 12:40:11 no, that's likely it's power consumption... Mar 13 12:40:31 its a simple relay Mar 13 12:40:37 use it to pull a GPIO to GND Mar 13 12:41:10 Form A: Normally-closed contact opens on alarm. Mar 13 12:41:17 just fine Mar 13 12:41:27 connect it to a GPIO, like av500 says Mar 13 12:41:35 can u take a look http://www.bosch-securitysystems.cz/store/manualy_en/OD850InguideUL.pdf Mar 13 12:41:55 we already did, we know the magic incantations of google ;) Mar 13 12:42:02 :) Mar 13 12:42:29 NC C NO Mar 13 12:42:41 normally closed, common, normally open Mar 13 12:42:46 as I said, a relay Mar 13 12:43:01 what interface of beaglebone should I connect it? Mar 13 12:43:06 gpio Mar 13 12:43:36 unless you get the intruder to morse SOS at 9k6.... Mar 13 12:43:39 I just ordered it:) I suppose to have it in 2 days. Is it on the expansion board? Mar 13 12:43:48 on what board? Mar 13 12:44:01 yeah where is GPIO on the board? Mar 13 12:44:16 yeah where is the manual? Mar 13 12:46:34 all pins on the expansion boards are GPIO, right? Mar 13 12:46:47 no idea Mar 13 12:46:52 but I bet the manual knows Mar 13 12:47:01 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf Mar 13 12:47:09 I read 6.3.8 Mar 13 12:47:58 but I did not understand it well. I guess each pin has different purpose, isn't it? Mar 13 12:48:17 pins can have multiple purposes Mar 13 12:49:28 I read the A3 version of the manul, it does not clearly define pins and how to use Mar 13 12:49:54 do you know if there is any training or teaching document for beaglebone? Mar 13 12:50:15 especially for programming it on linux Mar 13 13:15:43 hi guys Mar 13 13:15:54 did anyone try using the beagleboard with 4 x AA battery? Mar 13 13:16:28 Samwan, rechargeable or alkaline? Mar 13 13:16:47 doesn't matter :) I guess NiMh would have too less power Mar 13 13:17:25 a nimh AA should be able to supply 500mA Mar 13 13:17:32 question is for how long Mar 13 13:17:42 yeah that was my target to ask Mar 13 13:17:54 I don't own a beagleboard but I was trying to guess how long it would last Mar 13 13:18:01 with 4 AA batteries Mar 13 13:18:12 it would most likely really depend on what devices you enable and how you configure them Mar 13 13:18:19 and what clock speeds you want to run Mar 13 13:18:35 AA nimh are typically ~2500 mAh Mar 13 13:18:45 so you'd get a few hours out of them Mar 13 13:18:52 I need to run at 200 MHZ with one USB enabled Mar 13 13:18:57 I don't need more than that Mar 13 13:19:05 running a small linux kernel Mar 13 13:19:20 how much current would the USB device draw? Mar 13 13:19:35 500mA max Mar 13 13:19:47 I guess about 200 mA Mar 13 13:22:32 also everything else could be disabled Mar 13 13:22:42 except the microSD and one USB slot Mar 13 13:22:51 core should run at 200 MHZ Mar 13 13:23:14 and I would just disable (extremly undervolt) the GPU cause Mar 13 13:23:18 its not needed Mar 13 13:25:25 you can just shut it down Mar 13 13:25:28 i guess Mar 13 13:25:32 power off Mar 13 13:25:41 the hw surely supports it Mar 13 13:28:13 Samwan: please do not use 4x AA directly, add some buck/boost converter Mar 13 13:29:33 or use on of these 5V LiIon battery packs Mar 13 13:30:38 li-ion, king of the batteries? Mar 13 14:16:06 hi Mar 13 14:16:26 how can I make a subdir of the fs accessible via USB OTG? Mar 13 14:16:54 you cant Mar 13 14:17:10 well, you can export it over samba or nfs Mar 13 14:17:18 and anything that moves into that direction? Mar 13 14:17:23 moves? Mar 13 14:17:35 there is also ftp or scp Mar 13 14:17:48 anything similar to transfer data from windows/linux clients to the beagle in a user friendly way Mar 13 14:17:56 samba Mar 13 14:17:59 sth like creating a dummy sd card image Mar 13 14:18:06 well, that you can do Mar 13 14:18:23 do you really thing a windows user can set up samba on his computer and plug the usb oth just to upload some data? Mar 13 14:18:31 set up samba? Mar 13 14:18:40 nothing to set up Mar 13 14:18:46 its built into windows Mar 13 14:18:58 ok, I want to create a fake sd card image on the beagle and export it to USB OTG as if the beagle was a sd card reader Mar 13 14:19:06 yes, you can do that too Mar 13 14:19:17 with which command line? Mar 13 14:19:49 usb-storage should be the kernel module afaik, isn't it? Mar 13 14:19:58 http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html Mar 13 14:20:30 ah thanks :) I'll try it Mar 13 14:21:54 Hey ho. Back using some omap goodness only to be countered by my OE woes Mar 13 14:22:03 wOEs Mar 13 14:22:08 indeed Mar 13 14:22:25 dont fight it, learn to live with it Mar 13 14:22:52 my soul can only take so much, i may need a .bb to make a new one Mar 13 14:23:15 don't fight back, let it assimilate you, it'll feel better Mar 13 14:30:45 I have a question but will be back once I'm finished what I am doing Mar 13 14:38:11 the usb otg dosent seem to work Mar 13 14:38:26 i modproped g_file_storage, but also g_serial and an other Mar 13 14:38:52 when i plug the usb otg into a bigger computer, no mount advice, no ttyUSB Mar 13 14:40:43 any ideas? Mar 13 14:42:19 and musb is loaded too? Mar 13 14:42:38 dmesg when you plug? Mar 13 14:45:17 musb? Mar 13 14:45:42 dmesg on beagle is ok; dmesg on pc dosen't show activities Mar 13 14:47:01 where do i have to enable musb? Mar 13 14:47:17 module or kernel config Mar 13 14:47:26 but I guess g_file_storage would not load without Mar 13 14:47:33 dmesg when you plug? Mar 13 14:48:18 why would the gadget drivers require a specific controller driver? Mar 13 14:49:27 dmesg does not show differences when I plug Mar 13 14:50:06 on pc nothing, on beagle on insmod "g_file_storage gadget: lun0: ro=0, file=..." Mar 13 14:50:40 mru: what do I know :) Mar 13 14:54:35 the parameters in /sys/module/g_file_storage/parameters are also correct Mar 13 14:59:50 gee, lazarman is off his medication Mar 13 16:40:29 av500: where is lazarm an trolling now? Mar 13 16:41:15 koen: you see the new animal lvds mini? Mar 13 16:43:35 koen: sending me emails Mar 13 16:43:59 av500: but you're jsut a gamer Mar 13 16:44:11 prpplague: I replied to your g+ post, no? Mar 13 16:45:01 prpplague: btw, 'coming soon' only has one 'm', not two :) Mar 13 16:45:19 how to change pinmux setting without recompiling kernel for bb xm rev c?? Mar 13 16:46:53 how to pair a bluetooth device with bb xm rev c? Mar 13 16:47:34 koen: fwded Mar 13 16:50:13 how to pair a bluetooth device with bb xm rev c? Mar 13 16:50:38 koen: hehe, yea i forgot about the g+ post Mar 13 16:50:46 koen: doh, didn't spell check Mar 13 17:08:00 koen: i'll try to get you a board asap Mar 13 17:08:28 koen: i assume you are back from "holiday", whatever that is...... Mar 13 17:13:08 jsabeaudry: hi! I tried Arch yesterday, as you recommended Default image does have /tsc/ain*, but does not have /dev/spi*. You probably run patched kernel Mar 13 17:16:04 prpplague: two stellas can be like a holiday :) Mar 13 17:16:23 mdp: hehe Mar 13 17:16:44 jsabeaudry: I followed instructions from http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/beaglebone Mar 13 17:19:08 Can anybody here help with building Angstrom for beaglebone? When I follow instructions on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/, bitbake fails. Fresh install of Ubuntu 11.10, all needed packages installed (at those that I know about) Mar 13 17:24:56 pastebin your problem please, kosta Mar 13 17:50:17 Tartarus: I've figured it out - recipe mentions connman_0.79.bbappend, but only connman_0.78.bbappend exists in the repository. I just renamed file and so far it compiles. But I''d like to find real source for 0.79 to replace Mar 13 17:51:02 And yes, I see patch/diif?? out there, but have no idea how to apply it Mar 13 17:56:25 hey, where should I put the kernel heap (what section) Mar 13 17:56:42 what kernel? Mar 13 17:56:58 mine :P Mar 13 17:57:07 well, your kernel, your heap Mar 13 17:57:08 .data? Mar 13 17:57:18 .heap? Mar 13 17:57:27 alright Mar 13 17:57:28 .unicorns Mar 13 17:57:41 figured Mar 13 17:57:44 .pies Mar 13 17:57:50 \o/ Mar 13 17:58:08 it should be awx, yes? Mar 13 17:58:24 x? Mar 13 17:58:54 well, process memory is in there Mar 13 17:59:09 Tartaru, kosta: that should be fixed by now Mar 13 17:59:54 koen: I downloaded source about an hour ago. You mean it fixed within that timeframe? :) Mar 13 18:00:29 kosta: https://github.com/openembedded/meta-oe/commit/ae522fe36a87f40612f21ac4394e05d674a16745 :) Mar 13 18:01:23 should it just be aw and have the MMU have it executable when context switched to a process? Mar 13 18:01:30 koen: 8 minutes ago! :) Where have you been since morning? :) Mar 13 18:01:58 Park Güell Mar 13 18:02:26 stupid spanish names Mar 13 18:02:45 Lucky you - I'm still fighting with the kernel compile, know nothing about the process. Mar 13 18:02:46 trying to be as awsome as the french Mar 13 18:02:56 av500: ? Mar 13 18:03:02 ? Mar 13 18:03:32 didnt your attend "operating system design 101"? Mar 13 18:03:35 -r Mar 13 18:05:44 koen: seems like you are active kernel maintainer. Coming back to my yesterday question about SPI - may be you already have pre-built patched kernel with SPI for bone? I'm trying to get it for more than a week now with no success. The last kernel I've finally managed to build didn't start :( Mar 13 18:07:38 And believe me, I'm not the only one out there with this problem - there are quite a few ppl going through this exercise again and again Mar 13 18:07:48 like I said Mar 13 18:07:55 ? Mar 13 18:08:02 no one answers when being asked about polarity/mhz Mar 13 18:09:21 I don't see the connection, sorry. Patch is out there, ppl just build kernel using it. Why this can't be done upfront? Mar 13 18:10:06 Not necesserely in the main distro, but as a side one - it'll save lots of frustration for many ppl Mar 13 18:10:50 XMPPwocky: those sections in ELF files don't mean anything until you make them mean something Mar 13 18:11:56 Or am I missing something? /dev/spi* is agnostic of what is on the other end, isn't it? Otherwise you'll have to rebuild kernel for any new device attached, which just can't be true Mar 13 18:12:16 kosta: what patch? Mar 13 18:12:53 kosta: you are wrong. and in the optimum case, the kernel configuration knows what you have at the other end and you don't use /dev/spi anyway. Mar 13 18:13:06 av500: I saw at least two, here is one: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/B3akyoyjwG4 Mar 13 18:13:22 kosta: you know, spi is not really a hotplug, highly variable thing like usb... in most cases its hard soldered ;) Mar 13 18:14:24 LetoThe2nd: I know, but in my case, unfortunately, it'll be different on different boards Mar 13 18:14:56 kosta: then you better fix your way of thinking and learn how to compile yourself instead of complaining over and over again ;) Mar 13 18:15:22 i mean, the patch is realy trivial. Mar 13 18:16:01 LetoThe2nd: I'm trying very hard to refrain from complaining :) And yes, it is trivial... if you've done it hundred times :) Mar 13 18:18:12 kosta: and by the way - you think /dev/spi is device agnostic. how do you want to set Mhz/polarity? because that won't work through a simple character device. and if you now say you don't need to, then think why patching the kernel is necessary or the specific device, and is not done in advance. Mar 13 18:18:33 ioctl Mar 13 18:18:42 how do you do it on /dev/tty? Mar 13 18:18:52 av500: ok, agreed. Mar 13 18:19:19 but i still prefer to have my preipherals compiled in ;) Mar 13 18:19:42 well, you would not run a wifi driver over /dev/spi.... Mar 13 18:20:08 lets call that /dev/spifi ;) Mar 13 18:20:39 spiffy Mar 13 18:21:01 Anyway, it is compiling now, so I hope all will be good Mar 13 18:21:11 but in order to have your arduino tell you "I'm bored" it might be ok Mar 13 18:21:47 nothing wrong with a wifi driver over /dev/spi Mar 13 18:21:58 av500: a boreduino then. Mar 13 18:22:08 I just wouldn't transfer a lot of data with that interface ;) Mar 13 18:23:42 jay6981: alriht Mar 13 18:28:41 LetoThe2nd: by the way, about complaining. Coming from Win background it is very hard to keep my mouth shut up :) I mean, when I write an app in Win, I don't start with system recompilation and writing a driver. But I understand that this is a Linux way, so I'm trying really hard to be quiet about this :( Mar 13 18:28:59 XMPPwocky: you're not even using elf right? without mmu there's no memory protection Mar 13 18:29:43 iirc the a sony gamebox runs wifi over spi .. just adding uesless info.. Mar 13 18:33:03 kosta: indeed, whenever i have to touch a windows, i don't start compiling my apps, but have to run fancy virus scan and stuff first, before getting to compiling. *SCNR* Mar 13 18:33:18 jay6981: yeah, makes sense. Mar 13 18:33:59 kosta: how do you write an app in windows to do SPI? Mar 13 18:34:21 if windows doesn't have an spi driver Mar 13 18:34:31 av500: doesn't visual studio have a wizard for that? Mar 13 18:34:32 av500: never did :) I'm just starting embedded dev Mar 13 18:34:34 you do it after installing an SPI card that you buy and that comes with a broken driver Mar 13 18:34:43 that the vendor wrote Mar 13 18:35:27 kosta: ah. so your main issue with ways of thinking is pc<->embedded in the end, not windows/linux. i see. Mar 13 18:35:31 hey guys, I said I'm keeping quiet, no desire to make it lin/win Mar 13 18:35:38 and that was last updated for win2k and now you are on win8 and the driver is for 32bit only..... Mar 13 18:41:53 LetoThe2nd: yeah. You see, in 20 years I needed to get into win kernel may be like 4 or 5 times for details like spinlocks/mutexes to get an absolute perf possible. And here I'm not yet even started the actual app, but instead fighting with simple access to spi device, which should be as simple as I donno what - 4 wires, no recovery protocol, etc. But again, I understand that I can do nothing about that other than go with the flow and s Mar 13 18:42:35 kosta: the flow is that there is no flow Mar 13 18:42:41 kosta: welcome the the embedded world. hope you feel fine. Mar 13 18:42:50 They had Windows for embedded devices 20 years ago? Mar 13 18:43:09 embedded into floppies Mar 13 18:43:28 ah. Mar 13 18:43:50 kosta: just apply that patch and move on, where is the issue? Mar 13 18:44:19 av500: nowhere, just learning how to compile the kernel. Mar 13 18:44:32 yes. pull source, apply, make. copy uImage, and should be enough for booting. no angström/whatever magic necesary. Mar 13 18:45:45 Last uImage I was able to finally build didn't start :( So trying again different ways. I'm sure that I'm finally do it, it just taking too much time and frustration on something that should be very simple Mar 13 18:46:04 see yourself as a pioneer Mar 13 18:46:21 I tried for a week before even come to this channel :( Mar 13 18:46:38 kosta: how many tries do you think you would need if you were building windows for arm? Mar 13 18:46:45 kosta: you might have two issues: the cross compiler and the .config file Mar 13 18:47:15 kosta: (and the correct kernel source) Mar 13 18:47:28 LetoThe2nd: none :) Either M$ suppy it, or it doesn't exist, so no problem there :) Mar 13 18:47:54 kosta: as i said - you issue is probably not linux. its the fact that in an embedded world, the target devices vary so heavily that no general-purpose build would work. so you have to do it yourself. be it linux, windows, or whatever. Mar 13 18:47:58 dwery: thank you, compilation is running right now, so this time it might work :) Mar 13 18:48:06 kosta: nice to know ;) Mar 13 18:49:01 kosta: and there is windows ce, which you can certtainly spend the same amount of time with. and you can even pay for it. Mar 13 18:50:27 LetoThe2nd: nah, I have enough trouble with this to try yet ce. From what I heard, nothing is worse. Mar 13 18:51:31 kosta: yes. you see? its not linux, that gives you the troubles because you need to compile. Mar 13 18:54:13 kosta: its a rocky start for most ;) Mar 13 18:54:47 LOL: http://tigraphics.blogspot.com/2012/03/flash11-package-to-be-made-available.html Mar 13 18:56:38 av500: hehehe Mar 13 18:58:14 Although now I completely feel the old joke: why there are no viruses under lin? Cause you should spend weeks of debugging to compile it after you've got one :) Mar 13 18:59:14 heh. Mar 13 19:01:20 Did PasmV2 get released? I've been watchign for it, but I'm not sure I'm conneted enough to receive the notification Mar 13 19:01:53 SilicaGel: who cares, there is flash11 now!!!!!!!11!!1 Mar 13 19:01:55 As one of the world's foremost experts in PRU programming with little documentation and frequent shoutdowns of "THE PRU IS NOT SUPPORTED", one would THINK I would be on the list Mar 13 19:02:08 Especially if they catch wind of my Death Cape project. Mar 13 19:02:20 I don't know waht Flash11 is. Is that like a Raspberry Pi but more? Mar 13 19:02:29 okay, last stupid question from me: when switching translation tables, doesn't that also affect the pc? Mar 13 19:04:16 for example, interrupt comes in while in user mode, which switches to supervisor mode Mar 13 19:04:57 the modeswitch doesn't change the TTBCR, though, so we're still using the process's translation tables Mar 13 19:05:46 so the interrupt handler then has to change to TTBR1- but then the pc is pointing somewhere else entirely Mar 13 19:06:51 your kernel should be mapped into the same VAs regardless of user/supervisor mode no? Mar 13 19:08:08 -- oh, /that/'s what a higher half kernel is for! Mar 13 19:08:13 hehe Mar 13 19:39:41 are BeagleBoardUbuntu and BeagleBoneUbuntu the same? Mar 13 19:40:15 no, beagleboneubuntu has "one" in the middle Mar 13 19:40:28 not ard Mar 13 19:40:53 :) Mar 13 19:41:24 do you know any document to teach how to write a program for beaglebone? Mar 13 19:41:34 on linux OS? Mar 13 19:41:39 for bone? Mar 13 19:42:16 there's tons of documents. pick a language. Mar 13 19:42:22 borntobeagle: if you don't access any periferial devices, no difference bone or pc Mar 13 19:42:48 english Mar 13 19:43:17