**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 02:59:59 2012 Mar 20 03:18:41 no Mar 20 03:24:21 does anyone know how to sanely handle the RevB - RevC expansion header change in u-boot mux? or are even more macros in beagle.h the solution? Mar 20 03:47:59 do not mux in u-boot. Mar 20 03:49:26 ds2: what about the case when you need pin stable right from ~poweron? Mar 20 03:49:29 but u-boot is what sets up the expansion boards, and some boards need to be muxed differently for revB and revC Mar 20 03:49:47 u-boot runs LONG after power on Mar 20 03:49:57 so having HW designed that way is just poor design. Mar 20 03:50:05 true dat Mar 20 03:50:21 I'm a CS kid, not an EE :) Mar 20 03:50:26 it is wrong to setup expansion boards in U-boot. Mar 20 03:50:29 do it in the kernel Mar 20 03:50:53 (or CE for that matteR) Mar 20 03:51:44 constantly screwing with U-boot is a bad idea Mar 20 03:51:45 how long after power on does the cpu execute the first instruction from mmc boot? Mar 20 03:51:57 why is that, ds2? Mar 20 03:52:29 jay69811: how is sysboot configured? and how is rest of the system designed? what kind of mmc card?.... Mar 20 03:52:42 TheBurrito: poor design Mar 20 03:52:51 complicates upgrades Mar 20 03:53:07 heh.... ballpark figure? milliseconds? microseconds? Mar 20 03:53:24 could be minutes to never Mar 20 03:53:29 depending on all those factors Mar 20 03:53:31 * TheBurrito is still waiting for this ubuntu image to finish bootstrapping... Mar 20 03:53:43 minutes?! Mar 20 03:53:51 no, my board does it in milliseconds Mar 20 03:53:55 it seems instant to me Mar 20 03:54:09 i'd be fun to check on a scope Mar 20 03:54:16 depends on sysboot Mar 20 03:54:28 lets say it's strapped to do mmc first Mar 20 03:54:51 still depends on your card Mar 20 03:55:13 * TheBurrito is currently seeing login prompt times aroudn 20-30 seconds after power on Mar 20 03:55:38 i wrote my own loader that comes up instantly to my eyes Mar 20 03:55:50 maybe 500ms Mar 20 03:56:13 that is a LONG time Mar 20 03:56:27 yes, but not minutes to never Mar 20 03:56:37 that is your board Mar 20 03:56:45 in general it is not well defined Mar 20 04:02:34 wish the TI website wasn't f'ed right now Mar 20 04:02:59 heh, that fixed it ;) Mar 20 04:47:34 woo, I think I've won the Obfuscated Makefile contest Mar 20 06:34:30 <_av500_> nice, free google tv unit on its way Mar 20 06:35:46 <_av500_> i hope they'll get into the tv business like apple soon, my CRT is ancient Mar 20 06:55:46 free google tv? Mar 20 07:09:11 _av500_: don't you need better content before ditching your crt? Mar 20 07:17:19 koen: sadly yes Mar 20 08:22:40 hi comunity Mar 20 08:23:33 do you know how i can transfer files from my linux pc to my beagleboard with a usb link only ? Mar 20 08:38:19 usb networking Mar 20 08:38:24 usb mass storage Mar 20 08:38:33 or any other usb protocoll you feel like using Mar 20 08:41:02 * LetoThe2nd wants data over HID Mar 20 08:41:16 (he/she is gone anyway) Mar 20 08:42:23 data over hid is nice Mar 20 08:58:24 So I had a xM that blew up, and I'm trying to get a secondhand C4 up and running, but without much success. I tried just using my card from the xM, but no go. I tried the instructions here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ but still getting this http://pastebin.com/5JqmcePk Mar 20 08:58:56 I also don't have access to commands, because my serial adapter apparently only wants to work one way, which is dreadfully considerate of it Mar 20 08:59:24 your serial wiring is wrong Mar 20 08:59:46 make sure TX from the board goes to the right serial pin Mar 20 08:59:50 (typical error) Mar 20 08:59:53 Well I chopped up my cable so that should be easy enough Mar 20 09:00:00 I made a nullmodem cable out of my straight-thru Mar 20 09:00:24 yes, but your wiring on the 10pin header side might be wrong Mar 20 09:00:30 also, flow control OFF Mar 20 09:00:36 maybe its just that Mar 20 09:00:44 Yeah, already saw/tried that Mar 20 09:01:03 well, its 2 pins and GND, easy to verify Mar 20 09:01:31 Hmm I'll double-check my cable Mar 20 09:01:40 I guess your C4 has still some ancient cruft in NAND, so do a "nand erase" and all will be fine Mar 20 09:01:47 The cable on the board looks like it's one that came with the board Mar 20 09:02:10 trust me, you are not the only one Mar 20 09:02:20 I have "check your cable" on a keyboard macro Mar 20 09:02:23 :P Mar 20 09:02:35 as well as "do nand erase" Mar 20 09:02:37 * fiveofoh goes and looks up pinouts Mar 20 09:02:46 Yeah, nand erase was what I was gonna try Mar 20 09:02:51 good Mar 20 09:03:01 But the serial port not working kind of got in the way Mar 20 09:03:12 I suspected my USB dongle thingy Mar 20 09:12:20 hi comunity Mar 20 09:13:11 i've conected my beagleboard to my linux pc by ethernet and usb cable and i had an acces to cloud 9 Mar 20 09:14:09 is anybody knows how to get through ? Mar 20 09:15:37 get through [to] what? Mar 20 09:16:50 to the other side Mar 20 09:17:01 this error : Cannot find module '/var/lib/cloud9' Mar 20 09:18:41 -> no angels with long blond hair for you :P Mar 20 09:19:13 av500: The BeagleBoard is now running Mar 20 09:20:08 are there any directions how to build a new kernel for the beagleboard Mar 20 09:20:18 thanks ! that's someting to change in the configurations Mar 20 09:20:40 maybe using buildroot Mar 20 09:21:12 schick: 1) get crosscompiler 2) get sources 3) configure 4) make Mar 20 09:21:15 can we write a software using C ? or javascript is the unique? Mar 20 09:21:45 linuxcomunity: you can also write two softwares in c. and one in ruby. but only one in ruby. Mar 20 09:21:49 LetoThe2nd: Is the beagleboard supported by the vanilla kernel? Mar 20 09:22:16 schick: base support should be mainline, afaik. enough to get started. Mar 20 09:23:07 I only need the USB mass storage gadget and USB UMTS modem support Mar 20 09:23:42 LetoThe2nd: do you know a recent patched git tree out there Mar 20 09:24:15 schick: i could either google now, or let you google yourself. this falls into 2) get sources. Mar 20 09:24:28 hehe Mar 20 09:24:33 schick: basically, checkingomappedia.org is always a good idea Mar 20 09:24:40 schick: follow the angstrom instructions Mar 20 09:24:55 ok Mar 20 09:25:07 just found http://blog.galemin.com/2012/03/buildroot-2012-02-for-beagleboard-xm-with-li-5m03-mt9p031-camera-support/ Mar 20 09:25:08 and http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/ Mar 20 09:25:20 schick: yes, you can buildroot too Mar 20 09:25:23 how far away is the beagleboard-mx from the beagleboard Mar 20 09:25:30 5cm here Mar 20 09:25:37 hehe Mar 20 09:25:41 three letters! three letters" Mar 20 09:26:37 I guess it only need a different defconfig, does it? Mar 20 09:26:51 and maybe a different device-tree Mar 20 09:27:35 * av500 wonders how to get a Google Wage invite... Mar 20 09:27:48 nice typo Mar 20 09:40:18 hi@all Mar 20 10:04:48 does a beagleboard-xm kernel run on the beagleboard c4 Mar 20 10:05:30 yes Mar 20 10:05:40 depends Mar 20 10:05:45 mine probably doesn't Mar 20 10:05:56 because mine sets ddr clock to 200MHz Mar 20 10:06:22 and I'm too lazy to make it detect the board Mar 20 10:06:29 ok, whats the kernel option in this case? Mar 20 10:06:39 there isn't an option for that Mar 20 10:06:43 I patched it Mar 20 10:06:46 do you have a recent beagleboard defconfig Mar 20 10:06:48 ok Mar 20 10:06:55 I don't do defconfig Mar 20 10:07:02 got it Mar 20 10:11:45 mru: the processor is compatible except that its faster on the xm? Mar 20 10:12:26 omap35xx vs omap37xx Mar 20 10:12:36 the chips are mostly compatible, yes Mar 20 10:13:04 only ~5.7% difference Mar 20 10:14:06 at the moment I try to build a vanilla kernel Mar 20 10:14:29 is there anything, which can be done terribly wrong Mar 20 10:14:40 I don't want to kill my beagleboard Mar 20 10:15:13 it won't break Mar 20 10:15:58 I don't think a vanilla kernel even can be configured in any xm-specific way Mar 20 10:16:31 how to setup the kernel arguments Mar 20 10:16:40 to get a serial console working Mar 20 10:19:47 jbftknoc Mar 20 10:23:52 is the beaglebone compatible to the beagleboard? Mar 20 10:23:57 no Mar 20 10:24:24 but userspace software should? Mar 20 10:24:30 they both can run of 5V, so yes Mar 20 10:33:21 I just copied the new kernel image to the sd card Mar 20 10:33:36 and now I cannot see the console after the kernel startup again Mar 20 10:35:08 ok, I am trying http://beagleboard.org/support/faq Mar 20 10:36:30 hello! has anyone else ran into problems when building Angstrom for the BeagleBoard XM using the instructions at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom? The kernel is 3.0.23. It doesn't seem to do anything after the kernel has booted up. I guess some init scripts are not run. Log here: http://pastebin.com/7HJYT1ic. Any ideas? Mar 20 10:37:43 Might be that it does boot up fine, but doesn't show anything on the serial console as well. Mar 20 10:40:12 stippeng: Yes exactly the same here Mar 20 10:40:47 seems like it doen't run the userland after kernel loaded Mar 20 10:41:10 unfortunately noone could help me with that here Mar 20 10:41:54 although all demo-images will run just fine Mar 20 10:42:47 ah, great to see I'm not the only one. The demo images are kernel 3.0.17 it seems, so maybe it's a newer issue? Mar 20 10:43:56 i thought so too but the av500 and koen have recent kernels running Mar 20 10:44:12 I dont Mar 20 10:44:20 I accidentally ran opkg upgrade on an older 2.6.x angstrom, which proceeded to install the new kernel. The same issue seemed to appear then. Mar 20 10:44:23 good to see that peterbild is using beagleboards as well ;) Mar 20 10:44:29 * av500 is a fan of ancient kernels Mar 20 10:44:31 yes same here Mar 20 10:44:57 oh sorry av500 then its only king koen running the recent one Mar 20 10:46:33 stippeng did you bitbake the console-image? Mar 20 10:46:40 hehe, no idea why this comp has that hostname :) Mar 20 10:46:46 yes Mar 20 10:47:50 I ended up with Angstrom-console-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.03-core-beagleboard.rootfs.tar Mar 20 10:47:51 i did too...not very noob-friendly :) Mar 20 10:48:23 yes me too..although i really want to build my own kernel in order to minimize my boot time Mar 20 10:48:55 I first tried to compile a kernel with DSP bridge enabled, but when that didn't run, I cleaned up and compiled the normal kernel. Seems it wasn't dsp bridge's fault... Mar 20 10:49:07 i need to strip down the time to 10s until qt/e running Mar 20 10:49:22 what host-system do you use? Mar 20 10:49:58 Fedora 16 (3.2.9-2.fc16.x86_64) Mar 20 10:51:16 damn i so wished it was my Ubuntu's fault Mar 20 10:51:49 Ah, so you use ubuntu. I was just thinking that I should maybe try building on my ubuntu machine Mar 20 10:52:11 * LetoThe2nd is not much of an angström guy, but havuing qte up in < 10s sec shoulb be not needing arcane techniques Mar 20 10:52:12 well time saved :) Mar 20 10:53:11 LetoThe2nd: right now it takes me about 25 seconds with the demo image Mar 20 10:53:32 could it be something that has to do with the bb-xm revision? I've tried it on revs B and C with equal results Mar 20 10:53:36 plus i need to have an own boot-logo Mar 20 10:53:49 Martron: then go profiling where your time gets spent. -> systemd-analyze Mar 20 10:53:50 i just have an rev c Mar 20 10:55:07 hi all, video capture on beagle-xm is happening with very low framerate, for resolution 704x576, with usb camera interface Mar 20 10:55:45 Martron: ah, I want to get a kernel with dsp support running, so I can test video transcoding with x264 using the dsp on an 8-node BB cluster ;P Mar 20 10:55:45 is thr any configuration or solution? Mar 20 10:56:10 LetoThe2nd: thanks! I'll give that a try Mar 20 10:56:44 stippeng: Videotranscoding in a truck? Some soft of fancy HUD? ;) Mar 20 10:57:57 stippeng: It's good to see that i'm not the onlyone having this issue... Mar 20 10:58:13 Does koen read all this too? ;) Mar 20 11:01:01 right now I'm trying to find out where the startup script that is supposed to spawn the console resides, so I can see if it looks right Mar 20 11:35:34 hi can anyone help run angstorm linux on my craneboard Mar 20 11:38:25 Martron: what i wanted to add - are you having the kernel spit out messages during boot to serial? turn it off, butt considerably faster. Mar 20 11:38:34 s/butt/Boot/ Mar 20 11:40:14 Shoof Mar 20 11:40:22 Well that is dumb Mar 20 11:40:33 I just overthought my homebrewed null modem cable Mar 20 11:40:35 All is happy now Mar 20 11:40:36 Sigh Mar 20 11:40:47 Thanks for the tip, av500 Mar 20 11:41:08 null modem, does that attach to /dev/null? Mar 20 11:41:31 Heh Mar 20 11:43:36 av500: thanks a lot for your help, it finally works Mar 20 11:46:22 hmm, seems like udev is starting terribly late "[ 275.949829] udevd[73]: starting version 181". Maybe this is why booting doesn't work... Mar 20 11:58:21 stippeng: yeah, that's not right. Mar 20 12:02:58 Woot, my xM card is now actually booting like it's supposed to Mar 20 12:03:17 Annoying as hell that it was just my cable, but at least that solved it Mar 20 12:05:52 at least only annoying for yourself ;) Mar 20 12:09:09 SilicaGelly: ok, then I have a lead to follow at least ;) Mar 20 12:10:08 stippeng: My udev is crashing and waiting 180 seconds before proceeding Mar 20 12:10:10 Yeah. Something is holding it up, you have to figure out what that is Mar 20 12:10:17 huh well that could be it too Mar 20 12:10:19 brb Mar 20 12:10:19 crashing on /devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-003c Mar 20 12:11:30 I'd prefer to figure out why it's doing that, but I've got more important things to figure out atm Mar 20 12:12:30 fiveofoh: ah, maybe that's not the issue then Mar 20 12:13:21 Yeah, mine boots fine, it just takes forever Mar 20 12:13:39 Since it just sits around twiddling its thumbs waiting for things to work for three minutes Mar 20 12:23:35 fiveofoh: ok Mar 20 12:24:14 av500: Re the booting? Mar 20 12:24:31 That's just my assumption from vague search results that mentioned a timeout Mar 20 12:24:46 And it not spitting anything else out **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 12:29:04 2012 Mar 20 12:31:44 Thanks for the help, btw, av500. The NAND clear did indeed do the trick, once I got my cable kerfuffle straightened out Mar 20 12:32:03 fiveofoh: ok Mar 20 12:56:55 jkridner__: but now that there is linux on c6x, what about a native toolchain on the dsp? Mar 20 12:59:44 av500: obvious troll is obvious Mar 20 13:01:03 meh Mar 20 13:04:27 yeah, makes more sense to have a ARM-hosted toolchain. now, on Keystone-II, it might make sense. Mar 20 13:07:11 jkridner__: is there a c6x-linux with mmu support? Mar 20 13:08:37 nope, no mmu support. the c6x mmu doesn't have the right features. Mar 20 13:08:46 what's missing? Mar 20 13:08:56 and without mmu, no compiler Mar 20 13:16:18 I'm not that familiar with the issue. I can get back on the limitation. Bill Mills understands it. Mar 20 13:18:16 any plans to put a better mmu in some future chip? Mar 20 13:25:21 gcc 4.7 should support c6x, no? Mar 20 13:25:44 gcc supporting a dsp, rofl Mar 20 13:26:38 mru: seen change notes on gcc.gnu.org? Mar 20 13:26:45 doesn't matter Mar 20 13:27:15 linux 3.3 supports c6x, but with uClibc (because of missing mmu) Mar 20 13:27:36 yes, so? Mar 20 13:28:13 gcc has never done a good job on any vliw architecture Mar 20 13:28:45 there is a difference between no compiler and "a compiler that is good enough for mru" Mar 20 13:32:31 It is my understanding that it is rather reasonable, which is a big surprise for GCC. Mar 20 13:33:11 I'll believe that when I see it Mar 20 13:33:32 and I have no supported hardware... Mar 20 13:46:46 now if some hardware were to magically turn up, I'm sure I could run some tests Mar 20 13:46:57 wouldn't you all love to prove me wrong? Mar 20 13:48:21 probably questions best for the linux-c6x mailing list: http://linux-c6x.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-c6x-dev Mar 20 13:48:31 I'm anxious for them to support BeagleBoard-xM Mar 20 13:48:46 not sure if it'll happen. Mar 20 13:50:38 hmm, the dsp on omap3 has a MMU, no? Mar 20 13:52:53 jkridner__: you know the ti dsp compiler and all the timing feedback that it gives Mar 20 13:53:07 jkridner__: you think gcc will do the same any time soon? Mar 20 13:53:17 it does have an mmu, but I don't think it has all the features required for Linux. Mar 20 13:53:28 I very much doubt it. Mar 20 13:53:30 I think its a bog standard mmu Mar 20 13:53:41 and dspbridge even uses it Mar 20 13:54:29 "bog standard"? Mar 20 13:56:04 e Mar 20 13:56:18 av500: it's possible that running linux _on_ the dsp needs something from the mmu that this one doesn't provide Mar 20 13:56:24 no idea what it might be though Mar 20 13:57:11 and you'd think there'd be a way to use the address translation even if you can't have all the benefits an mmu can give Mar 20 13:58:18 jkridner__: *****9304 or ******0398 ? Mar 20 13:58:21 jkridner__: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bog_standard Mar 20 13:58:46 koen: 1 hour ago. Mar 20 13:59:07 daylight savings time started in the US. Mar 20 13:59:08 av500: what's the ISO standard for bogs? Mar 20 13:59:51 mru: I have no idea, ask them brits Mar 20 14:00:02 ****9304 for 2 weeks. next week's meeting is cancelled. Mar 20 14:00:18 av500: they'd have a british standard, no? Mar 20 14:00:23 maybe Mar 20 14:00:30 koen: what are those, cc numbers? Mar 20 14:00:40 confcall Mar 20 14:00:45 no, webex numbers Mar 20 14:00:51 or rather ti conf Mar 20 14:01:11 and once again 'av500 knows' ;) Mar 20 14:01:13 it Mar 20 14:01:15 koen: so they are cc numbers Mar 20 14:01:21 jkridner__: gerald an I are on *****7716 Mar 20 14:02:19 * koen mixed up chairperson and participant Mar 20 14:02:21 I'm not aware of that one. Mar 20 14:03:04 chairperson, is that the one responsible for throwing furniture? Mar 20 14:03:35 no, he's the one who gets sat on Mar 20 14:16:48 stippeng: did you find out anything new? Mar 20 14:17:29 LetoThe2nd: Thx I disabled the serial output already... Mar 20 14:22:11 Martron: not much, still kind of suspecting udev Mar 20 14:34:14 is there a bugtracker for angstrom? since i'm not the only one with booting issues... Mar 20 14:35:15 usually the mailing list works Mar 20 14:35:39 I bet the web page for angstrom knows what to do Mar 20 14:37:00 koen: you suggesting bitbaking pigz but not baconz :-D Mar 20 14:37:14 :) Mar 20 14:37:55 as bacon is cured I suggest we rename the "cured" recipe :-D Mar 20 15:08:04 how fast is I2C again hrm 100 kHz on the bone eeprom ports? Mar 20 15:09:01 i'm tryign to decide whether to hook this mems accelerometer/gyro up I2C or SPI Mar 20 15:09:48 SPI would be faster Mar 20 15:09:53 but it only needs to be so fast Mar 20 15:10:32 there I2c standard mode, and there's I2C "fast mode" Mar 20 15:10:37 I don't know about that fast mode hrm Mar 20 15:10:49 usually fasz mode means 400kHz Mar 20 15:11:06 in general, spi can be clocked considerably higher (several mhz) Mar 20 15:11:07 does that mean all the other devices on the same bus also have to support this fast mode? Mar 20 15:11:44 think so, but mostly guessing. Mar 20 15:11:46 hm so it's six axis, each sample is 16 bits, so 96 bits Mar 20 15:12:16 so even at 100 kHz, a 100 Hz sampling rate should work Mar 20 15:45:33 Hmmm, regarding gpmc_ad[0-15] pin mux, the direction is handled by the gmpc subsystem right? Mar 20 15:52:26 jsabeaudry: iirc if it's i/o you need to set it to input at pinmux level, but the trm should call it out somewhere Mar 20 16:00:03 should I be concerned if I see "wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found" fly by when I do opkg upgrade on a fresh angstrom image? Mar 20 16:03:14 koen, the ehrpwm drivers were in the r5 branch but they are not in the r6? Mar 20 16:05:01 MattRichardson: do a opkg udate first Mar 20 16:05:20 Matron: Yes, I did that. Mar 20 16:05:24 upgrade will update all your packages and your kernel (which doesn't work right now) Mar 20 16:09:03 MattRichardson: Try it again and if it fails again...send us a Pastebin Mar 20 16:09:15 OK thanks! Mar 20 16:19:50 jsabeaudry: check meta-ti for the history Mar 20 17:03:46 I've run opkg update and then opkg upgrade a few times until the output was consistent. Here are the errors I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/zSSWfzvJ (to Martron or anyone else that might be able to help) Mar 20 17:09:30 MattRichardson: --force-overwrite Mar 20 17:12:16 Anyone have working GPT8 and/or GPT11 PWM with a 3.2 kernel? Mar 20 17:13:08 koen: Thanks, that fixed most of it. Now I'm left with "* pkg_get_installed_files: Failed to open //var/lib/opkg/info/perl-module-build.pm.list: No such file or directory." and also for perl-module-load.pm.list Mar 20 17:14:23 MattRichardson: I get that as well, harmless Mar 20 17:16:48 koen: thanks for the help! Mar 20 18:12:22 = Mar 20 18:12:43 != Mar 20 18:14:46 == Mar 20 18:14:56 fixed your bug Mar 20 18:14:58 += Mar 20 18:15:30 ?= Mar 20 18:22:44 ? : ; Mar 20 19:05:10 good morning beagleboard Mar 20 19:06:23 good morning (UGT) Mar 20 19:06:38 jkridner - hi talking with Mahesh from C2000 who is looking at building a cape! Mar 20 19:10:31 to do what? Mar 20 19:11:27 been trying for days to restore the factory image to my bone sd card using my linux box. so far nothing tried works. could someone help me write out the image to sd card? Mar 20 19:11:50 LetoThe2nd: wanna field that one? Mar 20 19:12:13 prpplague: sorry? Mar 20 19:12:28 ^^^^^^ Mar 20 19:12:53 cat img >/dev/card Mar 20 19:13:05 prpplague: oomph Mar 20 19:13:57 Bone_img_restore: you have read AND understood -> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone ?!? Mar 20 19:14:55 I downloaded the factory image from http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone#Image_Files and uncompressed the file but dd and cat both fail in writing the card Mar 20 19:15:13 Bone_img_restore: forget that, follow the given link Mar 20 19:15:33 not to mention the directions there are for windows and nothing else Mar 20 19:15:59 also I did verify the md5sum on the image so the image is good Mar 20 19:16:12 well, thanks for listening. next ticket! Mar 20 19:18:26 yes, I tried with the angstrom demo image referenced above as well. it was gerald's segestion to use the factory image. really doesn't matter to me, I just want it working so I can get on to playing with i2c sensors and an spi display I have Mar 20 19:20:15 as i said - go there, read, apply gained knowledge. it's known good. Mar 20 19:21:25 just hoping someone may walk through this as I do it. been beating my head against the wall in failed attempts for almost a week. Mar 20 19:21:48 LetoThe2nd: you are assuming knowledge was gained Mar 20 19:22:21 * LetoThe2nd doesn't see much use in walking someone through clicking a download link and issuing one and a half commands. Mar 20 19:22:31 mru: sorry for being optimistic. Mar 20 19:23:22 ok revised question then. why does it not work? Mar 20 19:24:22 Bone_img_restore: do as said there first, verify what it does, and then come back. nobody knows what you mean by "it does not work" Mar 20 19:24:50 Bone_img_restore: It works for me 100% of time and I have done it at least a dozen time… Maybe your card or card reader/writer is BAD Mar 20 19:25:21 kkeller: yep, same here. Mar 20 19:26:34 <_av500_> Bone_img_restore: try telling WHAT does not work Mar 20 19:26:52 _av500_: the bone. it sits on the couch all day. Mar 20 19:26:59 <_av500_> always remember, we cannot see your computer screen Mar 20 19:34:19 LitoThe2nd: apologies, just a bit frustrated as when I tried this multiple times before I got a card that failed to restore my bone to health. Yea, I ought know to give better error messages n such. guess I ought take a breath n go reread http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise Mar 20 19:35:06 process is running for the nth time. we'll see what it gives this time... Mar 20 19:36:34 <_av500_> what command are you running= Mar 20 19:36:37 <_av500_> ? Mar 20 19:36:54 /bin/false Mar 20 19:37:28 Bone_img_restore: do you have a windows on your pc? Mar 20 19:40:28 I want to assign a static IP on bone, can anyone tell me what is wrong with the configuration http://i44.tinypic.com/r2vkgg.jpg Mar 20 19:40:52 I use eth0 but eth0 always gets IP from DHCP Mar 20 19:45:18 ohs: i dont think you can say "nameserver" in the interfaces file, i think it's "dns-nameservers" Mar 20 19:45:35 "nameserver
" is for /etc/resolv.conf Mar 20 19:46:25 I tried it without nameserver, I just saw one example like this on the beaglebone's google group. Mar 20 19:46:42 can someone with gst-ti installed and a recent kernel (i'm on 3.0.22) see if this works for them: gst-launch videotestsrc num-buffers=1 ! 'video/x-raw-yuv,format=(fourcc)I420, width=720, height=480' ! TIImgenc1 ! fakesink Mar 20 19:46:50 I also updated resolv.conf Mar 20 19:46:54 I'm getting failed to create encode thread. Mar 20 19:47:14 I also type /etc/init.d/networking restart however it doesnt get the static ip Mar 20 19:47:27 I am powering the bone from USB Mar 20 19:47:55 I wonder if USB makes the problem since it also has a static IP? Mar 20 19:48:57 ohs: no debian only Mar 20 19:50:30 <_av500_> what command are you running? Mar 20 19:51:51 xz -dkc Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.02-core-beaglebone-2012.02.14.img.xz > /dev/sdb Mar 20 19:52:33 just completed no errors - anything I should check before trying to boot the bone with it? Mar 20 19:53:08 done the exact same thing before and no boot on the bone Mar 20 19:54:01 how long are you waiting? The images take a few minutes the first time you boot… watch the SD activity led and wait for it to stop... Mar 20 19:57:25 kkeller: maybe not long enough.... even first out of box it came up really quick. when you say it takes a while I should wait like what - 60 seconds, 5, 10, 15 minutes... how long before I just declare it hung? Mar 20 19:58:49 ...also any other checks to be done to verify I have a good restored card prior to trying it... or best to just put the card in and see what it does? Mar 20 20:01:00 Bone_img_restore: If you have a slow SD card and powered by USB it can take several minutes Mar 20 20:01:13 Are you seeing any activity on the LEDs? Mar 20 20:01:35 Bone_img_restore: I jus tput in and wait… Mar 20 20:04:06 kkeller: gotta go insert card then... board works with the TI Dev kit card that came with.... I havn't managed to destroy that card, lol. this all started when I tried to opkg upgrade and that failed miserably! Mar 20 20:22:59 Trying to watch the boot messages over usb, should I be watching ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1? Mar 20 20:32:10 I see nothing on serial console when trying to boot my newly booted image power led is on and 1 user led is blinking Mar 20 20:34:17 the ti devkit image boots fine. Mar 20 20:34:26 any ideas? Mar 20 20:34:33 led's indicate it is running then… LED USR 1 (one furthest from the ethernet connector) is an activity light run by Linux Mar 20 20:37:08 Bone_img_restore: do you have ethernet plugged in? try bringing up a browser to the IP addr of the board and see if you get the bone101 web page Mar 20 20:39:10 Bone_img_restore: are you using the following to get the console? screen `ls /dev/{tty.usb*B,beaglebone-serial}` 115200 Mar 20 20:43:24 notice: i have seen the ubuntu ftdi driver being confused after suspend and such. so if the leds on the bone signal activity, but nothing is one the port, one might try a reboot. Mar 20 20:43:47 kkeller: yes, screen `ls /dev/{tty.usb*B,beaglebone-serial}` 115200 brings up screen - no messages or output whatso ever on boot.... been probably 30 mins now Mar 20 20:44:05 presenty hooked up via usb Mar 20 20:44:41 see LetoThe2nd comment above… "when all else fails… reboot Mar 20 20:45:18 rebooting.... Mar 20 20:46:50 Bone_img_restore: I sometimes do not see any messages too… I just hit return a few times and get the login prompt... Mar 20 20:47:01 usually i'm no fan of rebooting randomly, but in the specific case of ftdi devices not showing any out put, it has been helpful. Mar 20 20:48:15 Bone_img_restore: did you try seeing if web interface comes up? Mar 20 20:49:01 LetoThe2nd: reloading module not sufficient? Mar 20 20:49:34 mru: nope. Mar 20 20:49:55 weird Mar 20 20:50:00 mru: not yet found time/energy to track it down. Mar 20 20:50:01 kkeller: not yet on the web interface, still connected via usb Mar 20 20:50:03 what about reloading the usb controller module? Mar 20 20:50:26 on a few occasions reloading ehci-hcd has helped with usb problems Mar 20 20:51:20 mru: yeah, might be. i don't think i have tested that yet, because i have other usb things connected that i can't disable, like keyboard... Mar 20 20:51:51 that's why you do it from a remote shell Mar 20 20:52:12 or type all the commands at once and pray they'll succeed Mar 20 20:52:23 bad idea. Mar 20 20:52:44 yeah, if you don't have remote access, it's pretty much guaranteed to fail Mar 20 20:53:30 of course i have one for emergencies, but it has never been one so far. Mar 20 21:05:52 kkeller: just set up my bone on ethernet. no address obtained. Mar 20 21:08:27 Looks like my TIImgenc1 problem is a permission error in pthread_create. Something to do with SCHED_FIFO. Mar 20 21:12:43 <_av500_> need to be root Mar 20 21:12:50 <_av500_> for sched_fifo Mar 20 21:14:00 yup, thats the only user I have. Mar 20 21:14:42 Does gstreamer try to use some other user? Mar 20 21:17:59 _av500_: do you have gst-ti with a recent kernel that you could verify that it's not something else I am overlooking? Mar 20 21:18:01 <_av500_> dont think so Mar 20 21:18:08 <_av500_> i dont Mar 20 21:18:12 <_av500_> i dont do gst Mar 20 21:18:40 just straight dmai apps? Mar 20 21:18:54 <_av500_> i dont do dmai Mar 20 21:19:07 <_av500_> just straight CE Mar 20 21:20:26 <_av500_> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/DSP_video_%282009-08%29 Mar 20 21:20:34 <_av500_> mentions root and sched fifo too Mar 20 21:22:28 I saw that earlier. It seems like if I'm running as root, then I should be ok. Didn't have this problem on my old 2.6.32 kernel. sniff. Mar 20 21:23:07 <_av500_> well, i can do sched_fifo on a 3.0.8 Mar 20 21:23:18 <_av500_> so i dont think thats kernel related Mar 20 21:24:09 yeah, its probably just a kernel config setting. Mar 20 22:01:47 did sakoman.com just go down? Mar 20 22:28:25 hm. Mar 20 22:41:31 Bone_img_restore: (was away…) Your issue does not make sense to me… If USR LED 1 is blinking periodically, it appears to be booted… Try an other micro SD card or buy a prebuilt from one of the companies that sale them (like: https://specialcomp.com/beagleboard/bone.htm ) Mar 20 22:41:58 err… sell them :) Mar 20 23:17:08 anyone aware of an example of the rotary_encoder kernel driver use? Mar 20 23:27:36 TheBurrito: I got it working on the 'bone a while back - pretty easy. Mar 20 23:29:47 did you just use the input/eventX files? Mar 21 00:41:09 lazaerman said something clueful Mar 21 01:04:34 i'm getting tired of waiting for the raspberry pi, how much fun is the beagle ? Mar 21 01:05:34 bjorkintosh: can i quote you on that? Mar 21 01:05:42 hahaha. Mar 21 01:06:00 sure why not? Mar 21 01:06:27 bjorkintosh: hold off for the pi Mar 21 01:06:30 :P Mar 21 01:06:38 or hop on the beagle train Mar 21 01:06:41 depends on what you want to do Mar 21 01:07:26 TheAlphaNerd, i want to get my hands on something to play with. Mar 21 01:07:37 the beagleboard's a lot more expensive of course... Mar 21 01:07:49 but, what i'd like to know is what a good 'getting started' kit might be. Mar 21 01:08:06 do you have much linux experience? Mar 21 01:08:21 '98 sir :) Mar 21 01:08:47 getting started at what? Mar 21 01:09:41 thurbad, playing with a nice RISC machine. Mar 21 01:09:53 what i want to do is to root it completely and play on the bare metal. Mar 21 01:10:26 if you want do any sort of hardware modding the beagle is probably a clear choice Mar 21 01:11:46 without an open architecture that may be more difficult on the pi Mar 21 01:11:59 is the beagle board open? Mar 21 01:12:08 it's hard enough with full documentation Mar 21 01:12:23 yes Mar 21 01:12:29 hmm. how do you develop for the beagle board? Mar 21 01:12:33 is there a developer's kit? Mar 21 01:13:06 for bare metal it's a different toolchain than what I use Mar 21 01:13:18 you don't have to root it, it comes with root Mar 21 01:19:57 it's very hard to brick a beagle without physically damaging it if that's of importance to you Mar 21 01:24:44 i'm not interested in bricking. Mar 21 01:25:01 i am interested in working with it from first principles however... Mar 21 01:25:19 i'd really like a machine i can have complete control of (which is not x86). Mar 21 01:25:19 rightbut if you're doing bare metal you may be interested in not bricking it Mar 21 01:25:27 heh. Mar 21 01:25:46 how do you normally develop for it? hooked to a keyboard and an lcd? Mar 21 01:26:38 personally? I woke at the application level inside of linux,so I do most of my work on a desktop Mar 21 01:27:22 work not woke Mar 21 01:28:23 so is there a guide to the beagle's boot process and whatnot? Mar 21 01:32:01 if you use google you'll probably find more results for that with omap rather than beagle Mar 21 01:34:08 omap? Mar 21 01:34:28 are you looking at the bone specifically? Mar 21 01:34:28 oh i see. Mar 21 01:34:37 i don't know what to look for yet. Mar 21 01:34:41 still researching. Mar 21 01:35:05 i had my heart set on the raspberry but pi day has come and gone Mar 21 01:35:10 and still no pi Mar 21 01:36:35 If you download the TI SDK for the beaglebone there is a powerpoint that explains its boot process Mar 21 01:36:55 hmm, looks like the pi is goingup inpricea little as well Mar 21 01:37:20 still very reasonably priced Mar 21 01:37:40 indeed. Mar 21 01:37:54 1 beagle = 4 pis. Mar 21 01:38:57 or maybe 5 pis. Mar 21 01:39:03 yeah, if price is the primary concern the pi is attractive, if you can get one Mar 21 01:39:23 yeah but a beagle in hand is worth 5 pis in the future. Mar 21 01:40:37 possibly, beagles can be hard to get at times Mar 21 01:42:49 why's that? Mar 21 01:42:54 not enough being produced? Mar 21 01:43:21 not sure exactly Mar 21 01:58:52 do you guys have experience with other ARM based devices? Mar 21 02:00:59 wow, that make article really brought in a lot of people Mar 21 02:02:01 is the beaglebone demo image a systemd image? Mar 21 02:02:58 make article? Mar 21 02:03:45 http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/14/how-to-get-started-with-the-beaglebone/ Mar 21 02:15:31 hmm. what brought me in here was a lack of pi :) Mar 21 02:19:54 Lack of pi is why I made that video/wrote that MAKE piece. Mar 21 02:21:07 *cough* the lack of pi is what generally drives a lot of nerds and geeks to this channel..... Mar 21 02:21:47 is the pi going to be moddable at all? it seems their whole purpose is a low priced entry linux device Mar 21 02:22:04 kind of hard to really compare Mar 21 02:22:43 although I've seen a lot of people with that as their goal with beagles, admittedly Mar 21 02:23:56 thurbad: moddable in what way? Mar 21 02:24:17 pi is a non-for-profit Mar 21 02:24:19 adding external deivces to expand functionality Mar 21 02:24:52 pi is also closed source on the cpu Mar 21 02:25:08 they won't even publish the manual afaik Mar 21 02:25:09 MattRichardson, is that you in the video? Mar 21 02:25:17 bjorkintosh: Yup. Mar 21 02:25:45 thurbad: the way I see it, it has fewer GPIO, but for the price, I can take that tradeoff. Mar 21 02:26:04 i'm more interested in playing on bare metal ... Mar 21 02:26:10 i'd further root my nook color Mar 21 02:26:20 but it seems to have a lot of arduino cruft in the way. Mar 21 02:26:38 i've already rooted it ... but it's really boring. Mar 21 02:26:48 i'm not a target market for smartphones or tablets. Mar 21 02:26:56 bjorkintosh: What do you mean, it has Arduino cruft in the way? Mar 21 02:27:09 bjorkintosh: are you referring to the nook? Mar 21 02:27:19 yes MattRichardson. Mar 21 02:27:23 not the beagleboard... Mar 21 02:27:28 btw, how much did you pay for yours? Mar 21 02:28:00 What does that mean, that the nook has Arduino cruft in the way? Mar 21 02:28:27 bjorkintosh: Mine was provided for me by my employer. Mar 21 02:28:45 lucky you! Mar 21 02:28:56 not arduino... sorry. Mar 21 02:29:02 slip of type... Mar 21 02:29:05 android. Mar 21 02:29:14 ha! oh! that makes SO much more sense. Mar 21 02:29:39 I know what you mean by Android cruft. No clue what Arduino cruft is like! Mar 21 02:29:50 Especially on the Nook! ;-) Mar 21 02:31:08 hehehe. Mar 21 02:31:12 'cause there's no such thing. Mar 21 02:34:31 i think it's a bit boring to keep stuffing the same old things onto new hardware ... Mar 21 02:34:46 sure, linux can run on a potato but what about other OSes, for instance? Mar 21 02:48:13 I look at it from the perspective of all the Arduino-level projects that can be taken to the next level with embedded linux. That's exciting. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 21 02:59:58 2012