**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 03:00:00 2012
Apr 10 03:28:26 <ds2> hmmmÎ
Apr 10 03:53:14 <smorloc> I just got a BeagleBone.  I was trying to evaluate it on a Windows 7 system.  Has anyone else had problems with the FDTI (serial) and network drivers installing?
Apr 10 05:36:02 <XMPPwocky> aha
Apr 10 05:36:15 * XMPPwocky finally got openocd to make sense
Apr 10 05:36:22 <mranostay> heh
Apr 10 05:36:31 <XMPPwocky> need to have the speed way down
Apr 10 05:36:47 <XMPPwocky> and gdb breakpoints don't work so I have to grab addresses
Apr 10 05:36:56 <XMPPwocky> doesn't matter, fixed bugs
Apr 10 05:39:40 <XMPPwocky> so where's the datasheet for the baglebone DDRs?
Apr 10 05:40:39 <XMPPwocky> oh, found it
Apr 10 05:43:38 <XMPPwocky> the MT47H128M16RT-25E:C
Apr 10 05:43:44 <XMPPwocky> rolls off the tongue
Apr 10 05:48:35 <XMPPwocky> hm
Apr 10 05:48:47 <XMPPwocky> so wait, all the docs say it's a 2GB module
Apr 10 05:49:04 <_av500_> bit
Apr 10 05:49:08 <_av500_> not byte
Apr 10 05:49:09 <XMPPwocky> uhhh
Apr 10 05:49:10 <XMPPwocky> oh
Apr 10 05:49:15 <XMPPwocky> really
Apr 10 05:49:25 <XMPPwocky> that's really annoying :P
Apr 10 05:49:34 <_av500_> yes, memory is sold in bits
Apr 10 05:50:30 <XMPPwocky> well, sure makes comparing "bandwidth of a guy carring DDRs" and "bandwidth of household internet connection" easier :P
Apr 10 05:50:57 <_av500_> well, byte could be 7 bit or 9
Apr 10 05:51:08 <XMPPwocky> oh great, parity :/
Apr 10 05:51:22 <XMPPwocky> this is applicable to me when I try hardware stuff: ttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/234/137/5c4.jpg
Apr 10 05:52:07 <mranostay> cars are such money pits
Apr 10 05:52:35 <XMPPwocky> and it mentions "128 Meg" and such- is that megabits too?
Apr 10 05:54:30 <_sundar_> XMPPwocky, Murphy's law: When you want is a Mega Byte, manufacturer would sell only in Mega bit
Apr 10 05:57:07 * XMPPwocky is trying to get his bootloader (well, it doesn't do loading yet, but it sure can boot) to setup the RAM
Apr 10 05:58:32 <mranostay> technology sucks film at 11
Apr 10 05:59:07 <XMPPwocky> least I have a debugger
Apr 10 06:15:43 <ds2> Hmmm
Apr 10 06:20:09 <emeb_mac> there's that noisy transformer again.
Apr 10 07:32:22 <kristrev> Hello. I have a problem booting the demo images, and wondered if anyone has experienced the same
Apr 10 07:33:15 <kristrev> I have the Beaglebone rev. 5 and no matter which Debian demo image I try, the boot always stops at "Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S"
Apr 10 07:33:50 <kristrev> I have tried several different memory cards, including reformatting the one that came with the board, so I dont think that should be the problem
Apr 10 07:34:42 <kristrev> the only information I get from the boot log is that startpar has hung for 120 sec
Apr 10 07:35:19 <av500> maybe ask the debian people?
Apr 10 07:35:38 <LetoThe2nd> or rather, don't tell us "no matter what", tell us exactly what you use.
Apr 10 07:35:45 <av500> as far as I know, beagleboard.org does not provide debian based demo images
Apr 10 07:35:52 <kristrev> Ok
Apr 10 07:35:54 <LetoThe2nd> the debian images from rcn-ee are known to work
Apr 10 07:36:03 <aholler> kristrev: debian has a kernel which works with the bone?
Apr 10 07:36:16 <kristrev> I use the latest debian demo image from rcn-ee, the one from 29th March
Apr 10 07:36:33 <LetoThe2nd> aholler: nope, according to his guide you bild a patched one.
Apr 10 07:36:50 <kristrev> or, the demo images are from the elinux-wiki
Apr 10 07:37:23 <kristrev> I dont think it is a Debian-problem, as the equivalent Debian x86 version runs perfectly on my desktop
Apr 10 07:37:55 <LetoThe2nd> telling us... what, exactly?
Apr 10 07:38:35 <kristrev> That there is something when combining the debian demo image and my beaglebone/memory card that goes wrong
Apr 10 07:39:16 <kristrev> if I use the demo image on my beagleboard on the same memory card (with the correct bootloader), it also works
Apr 10 07:41:06 <LetoThe2nd> well, i used this guide: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone and it works ;)
Apr 10 07:41:22 <_tasslehoff_> koen: have you tried getting ogre working in oe-core?
Apr 10 07:41:46 <aholler> kristrev: you have a serial attached and you would see kernel errors on that console, do you?
Apr 10 07:41:55 <kristrev> ok, cool, I will give it a second go
Apr 10 07:42:46 <kristrev> aholler: Yes, I have serial attached and what I see is that the boot process goes without a hitch, but then it hangs
Apr 10 07:44:46 <_sundar_> kristrev, why don't you pastebin the logs
Apr 10 07:44:49 <aholler> and you disabled quiet?
Apr 10 07:47:45 <av500> hmm, the same image to run on beagleboard and beaglebone?
Apr 10 07:48:31 <LetoThe2nd> av500: concerning userland only, why not
Apr 10 07:50:32 <mranostay> av500: you don't have cancer right? being helpful and such? :)
Apr 10 07:56:58 <koen> _tasslehoff_: no
Apr 10 07:57:08 <kristrev> here is the bootlog: http://pastebin.com/ND9XuXbQ
Apr 10 07:58:20 <mranostay> morning mr koen
Apr 10 08:02:48 <Miklos> Anyone here know how to get a newer Chrome for armel than the ver6 in Squeeze? :)
Apr 10 08:03:37 <mranostay> compile it?
Apr 10 08:06:06 <_tasslehoff_> koen: no reason it shouldn't work? I'm trying to put together the recipes now, and just want to make sure p(sisyphus) is low :)
Apr 10 08:07:25 <Miklos> mranostay - I'd like to avoid reinventing the wheel
Apr 10 08:07:46 <Miklos> I doubt I'm the first to use a Chrome browser form this century on armel :)
Apr 10 08:09:01 * av500 notices that these days "a Davinci" is a DM368...
Apr 10 08:11:36 <_sundar_> av500, and the code written for a DM368 is Davinci code?
Apr 10 08:12:13 <av500> yes
Apr 10 08:13:19 <_sundar_> i like the TI way of naming their chips/components. Davinci, Ducati
Apr 10 08:13:52 <av500> Benelli
Apr 10 08:16:56 <XorA> morning
Apr 10 08:32:50 <koen> _tasslehoff_: it should work
Apr 10 08:54:35 <aholler> got my volksoszi ;)
Apr 10 08:54:51 <av500> \o/
Apr 10 08:55:49 <av500> aholler: does it come with a GPL notice?
Apr 10 08:56:39 <aholler> not printed, maybe on the cd
Apr 10 08:56:53 <aholler> but I wouldn't expect that
Apr 10 08:57:20 <av500> so, call conrad support and ask them for the gpl stuff
Apr 10 08:58:54 <aholler> I will ask for the source, but not by phone.
Apr 10 09:01:00 <kristrev> ok, building it manually (using the guide from eewiki and latest uboot/kernel) got me one step closer to making it work. Now, it is able to at least start some services before hanging. However, I no longer see this message that a service has timed out. I put the bootlog here: http://pastebin.com/0kWSVcgW
Apr 10 09:03:43 <kristrev> comparing against the log from a sucsessful boot, it seems like my BeagleBone crashes right before the login prompt should be shown
Apr 10 09:04:27 <kristrev> ah, the message about the startup task appeard, it just took longer than before
Apr 10 09:04:37 <LetoThe2nd> hm. pure guesswork: power issues?
Apr 10 09:05:03 <kristrev> good quest, I dont think so as I have tried with two different 5V adapters, as well as USB
Apr 10 09:05:33 <LetoThe2nd> and i guess the angstrom images worked fine?
Apr 10 09:05:38 <kristrev> yes
Apr 10 09:05:43 <LetoThe2nd> ok
Apr 10 09:06:39 <LetoThe2nd> any funny things connected to the bone?
Apr 10 09:06:50 <kristrev> no, nothing
Apr 10 09:06:55 <kristrev> I also removed Ethernet, just in case
Apr 10 09:07:06 <_sundar_> kristrev, are you starting login prompt in the correct console?
Apr 10 09:07:39 <kristrev> I think so, I added S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO0 to inittab
Apr 10 09:08:02 <kristrev> but would that error cause the timeout to appear in my boot log?
Apr 10 09:08:12 <_sundar_> yes it should
Apr 10 09:08:53 <kristrev> ok
Apr 10 09:17:08 <kristrev> I found one working demo image, the one from feb. 5, which uses the psp1 kernel
Apr 10 09:17:28 <kristrev> However, the reason I want to change is that this causes problems with a usb-device I depend on
Apr 10 09:30:35 <kristrev> is there a way to find out if I send the login prompt to the wrong console, or, is there a way to figure out which is right?
Apr 10 09:36:21 <kristrev> this is probably caused by it hanging, but at no point during boot does it reply to any key presses (for example enter)
Apr 10 10:04:17 <satel_enginner> Hi at everybody
Apr 10 10:04:44 <satel_enginner> I have a problem with my beaglebone
Apr 10 10:06:08 <satel_enginner> I want remove the shell service by the USB connection (ttyO0) when I reboot the beaglebone, how can I do that?
Apr 10 10:08:12 <satel_enginner> I don't know how to remove the shell service on this port, anybody can help me?
Apr 10 10:09:36 <av500> I guess you fiddle around with systemd
Apr 10 10:41:57 <av500> what a sad day: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1279025
Apr 10 10:44:20 <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
Apr 10 10:44:49 <koen> av500: sad that you won't have a tgz on ftp anymore or sad that they now is an "active" git tree for 2.4?
Apr 10 10:45:36 <mdp> stuck with 2.6 bloatware now
Apr 10 10:46:07 <koen> I heard 2.8 was pretty good, but they kept it behind a paywall
Apr 10 10:49:37 <mdp> I have a 2.8 subscription
Apr 10 10:49:45 <LetoThe2nd> koen: probably tanenbaum sued them.
Apr 10 10:50:41 <mdp> 2.8 moved to a microkernel, finally admitting the the original design was an epic fail
Apr 10 10:51:02 <aholler> hurd 2.8?
Apr 10 10:51:37 <LetoThe2nd> i've heard tanenbaum himself was at embedded world in nuremberg, trying to convince everybody that minix so much cooler than linux. haven't met/listened to him in person, though ;)
Apr 10 10:52:53 <av500> 10° cooler at typical workloads?
Apr 10 10:53:23 <LetoThe2nd> probably.
Apr 10 10:53:25 <koen> av500: you'll have to convert that to american
Apr 10 10:53:37 <av500> 10° cooler at american workloads
Apr 10 10:58:19 <icota> koen: your last commit finally makes the 3.5 LCD work?
Apr 10 10:58:25 <koen> yes
Apr 10 10:58:33 <koen> turns out the PLL is 2x pixclock
Apr 10 10:58:39 <koen> and doesn't work at low frequencies
Apr 10 10:58:41 <icota> yes, i see
Apr 10 10:58:57 <icota> well it doesn't seem to work for me
Apr 10 10:58:59 <av500> koen: there is ALWAYS a divider somewhere
Apr 10 10:59:24 <icota> koen: how do you guys test? does it _just work_, ie you get the console onscreen?
Apr 10 10:59:55 <koen> icota: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/7060289197/in/photostream
Apr 10 11:00:21 <av500> koen: does it run android?
Apr 10 11:00:40 <koen> av500: headless android, yes
Apr 10 11:00:47 <icota> koen: funny, my cape has 4 buttons :)
Apr 10 11:01:05 <koen> this is rev2
Apr 10 11:01:19 <koen> so it's usefull besides android
Apr 10 11:01:32 <koen> android was the reason there are 4 buttons on it
Apr 10 11:02:47 <icota> nothing changed with the LCD stuff though?
Apr 10 11:03:09 <koen> I tweaked the porches
Apr 10 11:03:33 <koen> as you can see in http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/7060022529 it is shifted down and right
Apr 10 11:04:12 <icota> i get nothing with fb-test
Apr 10 11:04:29 <icota> what is the actuall command you're using?
Apr 10 11:04:54 <icota> i do: ./fbtest -fRGB565 -s320x240 -n
Apr 10 11:05:20 <koen> ./fb-test
Apr 10 11:07:11 <XorA> can I read my email on it though :_D
Apr 10 11:07:32 <av500> on fbtest?
Apr 10 11:08:11 <XorA> on beaglebone :-D
Apr 10 11:08:47 <icota> koen: "testing: CLUT4 ARGB8888 for sizes"  <--- stuck there, seems wrong
Apr 10 11:09:08 <av500> XorA: you could on much less powerful systems
Apr 10 11:13:04 <Miklos> I can't figure out why starting x just blanks the screen and x starts and closes
Apr 10 11:13:14 <Miklos> but screen is left blank/unusable
Apr 10 11:13:23 <Miklos> http://paste2.org/p/1973782
Apr 10 11:19:04 <aholler> [    60.589] (II) evdev: twl4030_pwrbutton: Close
Apr 10 11:22:19 <Miklos> I'm new to my BBxM so I'm not sure what that means
Apr 10 11:27:51 <aholler> reads like the close button was pressed, whatever that is.
Apr 10 11:29:57 <aholler> your power-supply is good? tried without the usb-keybard attached?
Apr 10 11:32:58 <av500> who'd have thought that gpl-violations ML could be entertaining
Apr 10 11:35:34 <mdp> boring is the new entertaining
Apr 10 11:38:51 <koen> av500: link?
Apr 10 11:48:41 <koen> oh dear, it has posts from lkcl
Apr 10 11:55:49 <av500> koen: yeah
Apr 10 11:56:38 <XorA> Linux Kernel Clueless List?
Apr 10 11:57:40 <Miklos> aholler - hmm that might be it
Apr 10 11:57:47 <Miklos> my psu is 5V 1.5A
Apr 10 11:57:57 <Miklos> reading online it sounds like I should get more amps
Apr 10 12:02:15 <kvarley> Miklos: The max the beagleboard-xm can take is 3 Amps at 5v as a direct current
Apr 10 12:02:19 <koen> XorA: no, our old friend luke
Apr 10 12:16:09 <XorA> hmm, 320x240 is enough to run fuse, portable speccy here we come :-D
Apr 10 12:30:05 <Miklos> kvarley - I always thought that volts were the one you had to be careful with and amps just make sure there is enough in the supply
Apr 10 12:30:15 <Miklos> but that's probably AC
Apr 10 12:31:29 <kvarley> Miklos: Volts is the one to be more careful about, yes. The board will typically draw 750mA of current but I read in the specification it can take up to 3Amps of load. I bought a worldwide PSU that does 5v DC with up to 3 Amps of current. Had no probems.
Apr 10 12:32:28 <Samwan> do you guys still advise to buy a beagleboard for starting on developing with the omap platform or should I move to "newer" hardware?
Apr 10 12:32:59 <Samwan> like pandaboard
Apr 10 12:33:36 <kvarley> Samwan: The board still has a lot of support. However, newer platforms are available such as the PandaBoard ES. I recently purchased a Beagleboard-xM because of the community surrounding the board.
Apr 10 12:33:50 <kvarley> Samwan: It depends what you aims are I guess.
Apr 10 12:35:49 <Samwan> my aim would be to make some type of linux running on it, build a VESA case, stick it behind a 17" screen and carry it with me when I need it.
Apr 10 12:36:27 <Samwan> there are omap ports of ubuntu, I don't like ubuntu, but with an ubuntu base it should be no problem to run debian I guess
Apr 10 12:36:36 <Samwan> so - yeah - that's my aim ^^
Apr 10 12:37:39 <XorA> debian arm runs fine
Apr 10 12:37:58 <kvarley> Samwan: http://pandaboard.org/node/300/#PandaES
Apr 10 12:38:06 <av500> Torvald's version of Linux also runs fine
Apr 10 12:38:18 <kvarley> Samwan: The Beagleboard-xM would do fine for your requirements though.
Apr 10 12:39:03 <Samwan> I guess firefox, flash player and gnome should run fine on the Xm
Apr 10 12:39:59 <av500> flash? no
Apr 10 12:40:20 <av500> and flash is dead
Apr 10 12:41:00 <kvarley> Firefox may be a little intensive
Apr 10 12:41:15 <kvarley> It'll run, but you will get better performance with Midori or even Chromium with some tweaks
Apr 10 12:41:41 <mdp> #beagleboardvspandaboardfight
Apr 10 12:42:01 <Samwan> why does flash not run? it has the same GPU as my motorola milestone, flash runs on my motorola milestone
Apr 10 12:42:14 <Samwan> flash is dead, but for looking movies on the internet, it's still popular
Apr 10 12:43:28 <av500> sure, install android on the XM
Apr 10 12:43:50 <av500> and grad the flash plugin from megaupload
Apr 10 12:43:53 <av500> grab*
Apr 10 12:44:15 <Samwan> so I can't use the android libflashplayer.so under other linux distros?
Apr 10 12:44:25 <av500> you could
Apr 10 12:44:31 <av500> ldd libflashplayer.so
Apr 10 12:44:42 <av500> and make sure you provide all the symbols
Apr 10 12:45:05 <Samwan> so where is the problem? Sorry I am a kind of noob.
Apr 10 12:45:10 <av500> what is a bit of audioflinger and OMX_Codec between friends...
Apr 10 12:45:20 <av500> Samwan: android flash wants android
Apr 10 12:45:41 <kvarley> Samwan: Make sure you buy a serial cable or serial to usb if you don't already have one. It's needed if something doesn't boot right
Apr 10 12:46:24 <Samwan> under ubuntu for the tegra2 arm they also tell to use the android flash so
Apr 10 12:46:24 <Samwan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100#Installing_Adobe_Flash
Apr 10 12:46:59 <Samwan> kvarley: thanks I own one from my vinyl cutter
Apr 10 12:48:58 <Samwan> I think I will never know certainly without trying
Apr 10 12:49:15 <Samwan> but I guess buying the beagleboard for running android on it is really useless for me
Apr 10 12:49:29 <av500> you wanted flash
Apr 10 12:49:51 <av500> and even on android flash is end-of-life
Apr 10 12:50:18 <av500> if you really need flash, get an x86 board
Apr 10 12:52:43 <ogra_> and windows ?
Apr 10 12:54:10 <kvarley> Can't wait til I get my damn serial cable
Apr 10 12:54:33 <Samwan> for what is it needed exactly?
Apr 10 12:54:40 <Samwan> kernel-level-debugging?
Apr 10 12:54:41 <kvarley> To see error messages
Apr 10 12:54:43 <kvarley> Yeah
Apr 10 12:54:54 <kvarley> My boot script which sets the resolution isn't working
Apr 10 12:55:06 <kvarley> So without serial I can't know what the problem is really
Apr 10 12:55:22 <kvarley> I know my args for the kernel aren't getting passed but I don't know why
Apr 10 13:01:52 <kvarley> Is there any way to capture the boot log - bypassing the serial connection?
Apr 10 13:04:23 <av500> morse it over the LED
Apr 10 13:04:55 <Samwan> which OS are you running on it?
Apr 10 13:04:56 <kvarley> av500: I hope there's an app for it on the android market - that'd be badass
Apr 10 13:05:11 <Samwan> if android, you could try grabbing a logcat
Apr 10 13:05:16 <Samwan> via USB
Apr 10 13:05:25 <Samwan> the board has native USB ports, right?
Apr 10 13:05:25 <kvarley> Samwan: I'm running a quad-boot image by Always Innovating. Angstrom, Ubuntu, Android and Chromium OS
Apr 10 13:05:29 <dm8tbr> kvarley: there are several morse IME apps
Apr 10 13:05:53 <kvarley> dm8tbr: IME? Sorry I'm a noob.
Apr 10 13:05:56 <av500> dm8tbr: they all dont morse kernel boot logs
Apr 10 13:06:02 <dm8tbr> av500: correct
Apr 10 13:06:20 <Samwan> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html
Apr 10 13:06:23 <Samwan> this does not help?
Apr 10 13:06:37 <av500> not for boot logs
Apr 10 13:06:42 <Samwan> you could save the /dev/log/main output to SDCard
Apr 10 13:06:46 <Samwan> oh okay
Apr 10 13:07:07 <av500> or just ssh and type dmesg
Apr 10 13:10:57 <kvarley> Can only see an app for doing it from the mic
Apr 10 13:10:59 <kvarley> Not via camera
Apr 10 13:11:33 <stuk_gen> hi all :) i'm try dsp pn bbXm, i set mem=99M@0x80000000 mem=384M@0x88000000 in uenv.txt but when i run /usr/share/ti/ti-dmai-apps# ./loadmodules.sh i receive error message 'Warning! You need to use mem=126M or less on the kernel cmdline' why?
Apr 10 13:12:01 <stuk_gen> :/usr/share/ti/ti-dsplink-examples*
Apr 10 13:13:26 <kvarley> av500: dmesg shows the default command line arguments. I'll wait for serial and then see if I can find out what's going on
Apr 10 13:13:31 <av500> stuk_gen: because that is an error in that script
Apr 10 13:13:39 <av500> remove the warning
Apr 10 13:13:53 <stuk_gen> av500: ooh so its correct?
Apr 10 13:13:57 <av500> that script was written for 128MB boards
Apr 10 13:14:06 <av500> and fails on 256 or 512MB ones
Apr 10 13:14:09 <stuk_gen> av500: ok
Apr 10 13:14:20 <av500> did we not talk about that already?
Apr 10 13:14:51 <stuk_gen> not with me
Apr 10 13:15:12 <stuk_gen> maybe you are refer to the pvrInit.sh script
Apr 10 13:15:18 <stuk_gen> the last conversion with me :)
Apr 10 13:15:36 <av500> ah yes, not you
Apr 10 13:17:12 <XorA> gruddam linux desktop crappiness
Apr 10 13:17:47 <av500> whoa, it's roger to be blamed: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=c0ee8e8641a46803fd83c7689c476789415f7dde
Apr 10 13:17:50 <av500> koen: ^^^^^^^^^
Apr 10 13:17:58 <av500> and you signed it off!
Apr 10 13:18:53 <CanyonMan> df
Apr 10 13:19:08 * SilicaGel Do Not Eat
Apr 10 13:19:17 <XorA> why is it X has been handling windows since the 60s/70s sometime, but in the 2000s we decided to chuck it all out and use some crappy compositing which cant handle windows
Apr 10 13:20:04 <SilicaGel> In 1984, Bob Scheifler and Jim Gettys set out the early principles of X
Apr 10 13:20:23 <koen> big brother
Apr 10 13:20:44 <av500> all the basic X stuff was done by DaVinci, Gallileo and Newton already!
Apr 10 13:20:45 <icota> koen: can you share ./fb-test console output?
Apr 10 13:21:02 <kvarley> Which file is responsible for passing command line arguments? Is that the uImage?
Apr 10 13:21:05 <SilicaGel> did tesla help?
Apr 10 13:21:05 <kvarley> Or the MLO?
Apr 10 13:21:06 <SilicaGel> BZZT!
Apr 10 13:21:15 <av500> kvarley: uimage is the kernel
Apr 10 13:21:23 <av500> uboot is the boot loader
Apr 10 13:21:31 <av500> MLO is a pain
Apr 10 13:22:01 <SilicaGel> huh, apparently a fair amount of the code in the original version of X came from W
Apr 10 13:22:04 * SilicaGel did not know this
Apr 10 13:22:20 <kvarley> av500: So it goes MLO ---> uBoot ---> uImage ?
Apr 10 13:22:21 <av500> it all goes back to A
Apr 10 13:22:31 <av500> kvarley: yes
Apr 10 13:22:38 <kvarley> av500: Ok ty
Apr 10 13:22:51 <SilicaGel> kvarley: it's kind of like that picture where in the first frame it's a fish and later it's a caveman and finally it's homo sapien
Apr 10 13:23:35 <SilicaGel> from 1984 until 1986 we went from X1 to X10
Apr 10 13:23:39 <kvarley> So is there any way on a hex level I can tell if the uBoot supports boot.scr and what it expects the file to be called?
Apr 10 13:23:42 <SilicaGel> but we've been stuck at X11 since 1987
Apr 10 13:24:22 <av500> kvarley: if it supports boot.scr, then the file is called boot.scr
Apr 10 13:24:31 <av500> never uboots also support Uenv.txt
Apr 10 13:24:36 <av500> called "Uenv.txt"
Apr 10 13:25:02 <kvarley> av500: Any common reasons why a boot.scr won't work? (Which I can try before getting serial)
Apr 10 13:25:52 <SilicaGel> av500 ~= s/never/newer/
Apr 10 13:26:13 <av500> composite output is composite: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/raspberry-pi-works-with-a-30-year-old-mini-crt-display-20120410/
Apr 10 13:26:46 <koen> root@beaglebone:~# ./fbtest --console
Apr 10 13:26:47 <koen> opening /dev/fb0
Apr 10 13:26:47 <koen> res 320,240 virtual 320,480, line_len 640
Apr 10 13:26:47 <koen> dim -1,-1
Apr 10 13:27:50 <icota> thanks, that's what i get as well
Apr 10 13:28:05 <icota> can you tell me the i2c stuff as well? just to check
Apr 10 13:28:19 <icota> all i get is a bunch of white pixels
Apr 10 13:29:18 <mru> woot, business class upgrade
Apr 10 13:29:35 <koen> icota: uenvcmd=i2c mw 0x24 0x07 0x09 ; i2c mw 0x24 0x08 0x55
Apr 10 13:29:40 <koen> icota: I put that in uenv.txt
Apr 10 13:29:49 <mru> sitting in front of the curtain is so much better
Apr 10 13:31:28 <kvarley> Does "setenv stdout usbtty" set serial output on the OTG USB port or the standard USB ports on the board?
Apr 10 13:40:32 <SilicaGel> ICQ, the resilient David Hasselhoff of instant messaging, is updating its app for Android and iOS  <--- holy crap, ICQ still exists!
Apr 10 13:58:01 <kvarley> Would it be possible to set the serial output to display over dvi?
Apr 10 13:58:38 <koen> denix: ping
Apr 10 14:11:49 <markus_> hi,  since a few weeks I am trying the following on a BBxM: capture an image from a LI-5M03 board (mt9p031 sensor) and show it on a dvi monitor. The resolution has to be at least XGA @ 25fps with a minimal delay. Has someone ever done that? The maximum I can get is VGA @ 15fps with using mplayer
Apr 10 14:16:38 <dm8tbr> hmm isn't mplayer quite slow due to having to write to fb
Apr 10 14:23:52 <koen> dm8tbr: that's why you have it write to the overlays :)
Apr 10 14:24:03 <markus_> i also think this could be a problem. my idea was to write directly from the camera isp to the fb but i don't really know how to do that
Apr 10 14:24:51 <koen> -vo omapfb or -vo v4l2
Apr 10 14:25:02 <dm8tbr> koen: yes, that's what I meant. wasn't there even a patch for mplayer? ah,yes that one :)
Apr 10 14:28:35 <markus_> thx i will try that
Apr 10 14:36:54 <markus_> much better now with -vo omapfb! thanks a lot
Apr 10 14:42:17 <dm8tbr> :)
Apr 10 14:43:43 <denix> koen: pong
Apr 10 14:47:25 <koen> denix: do you want me to squash those cloud9 commits, or can they go in as is? Noone else responded to them
Apr 10 14:53:54 <_av500_> people moved on to cloudX
Apr 10 15:03:40 <denix> koen: if nobody cares, just push them
Apr 10 15:06:23 <denix> I mean patches, not people :)
Apr 10 15:07:26 <koen> :)
Apr 10 15:58:10 <rory> Can anybody point me in the right direction on how to install mysql on angstrom to work with lighttpd & php?
Apr 10 15:58:47 <mranostay> google?
Apr 10 15:59:06 <_av500_> opkg install
Apr 10 15:59:19 <_av500_> unless koend broke that too
Apr 10 16:04:02 <mdp> all my links are broken to the codez
Apr 10 16:14:52 <mranostay> mdp: blame koen
Apr 10 16:27:52 <emeb> blame Canada
Apr 10 16:29:24 <_av500_> rccanadad stop
Apr 10 16:38:18 <mranostay> emeb: you mean the US state called Canada? :)
Apr 10 16:51:06 <koen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VuUFERPBHg
Apr 10 16:51:35 <prpplague> koen: greetings
Apr 10 16:51:41 <koen> hey prpplague
Apr 10 17:38:10 <kkeller> adafruit taking a shot at BBone… Arduino compatible that fits into a mint can...http://www.makershed.com/Mintronics_MENTA_p/mkad43.htm?utm_content=Maker%20Shed%20Apr%2010%202012%20CID_308af13f7df5a62e909cdd29d9eb4fac&Click=107311&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Maker%20Shed%20Apr%2010%202012&utm_source=Email%20Campaign&utm_term=Menta
Apr 10 17:43:12 <Crofton> you mean: http://www.makershed.com/Mintronics_MENTA_p/mkad43.htm?utm_content=Maker%20Shed%20Apr%2010%202012%20CID_308af13f7df5a62e909cdd29d9eb4fac&Click=107311&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Maker%20Shed%20Apr%2010%202012&utm_source=Email%20Campaign&utm_term=Menta
Apr 10 17:54:19 <Russ> WOW, an 8 bit MCU that fits in an altoid can?!?!
Apr 10 17:55:34 <mranostay> kkeller: ahem tinyurl :)
Apr 10 17:56:08 <kkeller> thought about hat after I pasted… Sorry about that chief
Apr 10 17:57:40 <mranostay> kkeller: just a chance to troll my old boss :P
Apr 10 17:57:56 <kkeller> :P
Apr 10 18:05:52 <koen> kkeller: the altoid format for the bone was done specifically for adafruit
Apr 10 18:06:04 <koen> original design was bone shaped
Apr 10 18:06:21 <kkeller> wow… never knew that
Apr 10 18:06:33 <kkeller> And bone shaped?
Apr 10 18:09:06 <koen> kkeller: like this: http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image_additional&pID=699&pic=1&products_image_large_additional=images/large/ID699bone_LRG.jpg
Apr 10 18:10:46 <kkeller> sure glad they decided to go the other form factor…  not sure I would use one shaped like that
Apr 10 18:11:11 <mycle_vername> does anyone know how to get the angstrom linux headers for the beaglebone?
Apr 10 18:12:18 <mranostay> mycle_vername: opkg install ?
Apr 10 18:12:40 <mycle_vername> mranostay: what package should i install?
Apr 10 18:17:35 <mycle_vername> does anyone know what to make of this: http://pastebin.com/Y97Ua4hc
Apr 10 18:19:28 <prpplague> mycle_vername: there are enough letters there i could make a dozen haikus
Apr 10 18:19:55 <mycle_vername> prpplague: what do you mean?
Apr 10 18:20:32 <koen> if anyone wants an image with xbmc preinstalled: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.04-core-beaglebone-2012.04.09.img.xz (400MiB)
Apr 10 18:20:42 <prpplague> mru: i think i have been hanging around with you and av500 too much
Apr 10 18:21:13 <koen> prpplague: or too little
Apr 10 18:21:45 <prpplague> koen: indeed
Apr 10 18:25:12 <mru> I like koen's theory
Apr 10 18:25:56 <panto> koen, hmm, pretty cool
Apr 10 18:29:02 <kkeller> koen thanks for the image… now I just need an LCD - time to pull out the cedit card I guess
Apr 10 18:44:22 <djlewis> gm
Apr 10 18:46:26 <mru> mg
Apr 10 18:47:04 <djlewis> no, i am not a spirtual entity, but thanks /)
Apr 10 18:47:06 <emeb> kg
Apr 10 18:48:18 <djlewis> emeb: about 80.7394 to be close
Apr 10 18:49:15 <emeb> 71.6 here
Apr 10 18:50:27 * djlewis is using my first pair of glasses since 24 years ago.
Apr 10 18:50:41 <djlewis> tested and ordered new pair today $300. ARGH!
Apr 10 18:51:11 <jay6981> bet they don't last 24 years
Apr 10 18:51:29 <djlewis> i bet i dont last 24 more years
Apr 10 18:51:54 <jay6981> haha... they're trying to make people live forever
Apr 10 18:52:10 <djlewis> i would be 83
Apr 10 18:57:16 <jediator> Has anyone got any experience with running ubuntu on BeagleBoard, xM, and Bone?
Apr 10 18:57:30 <XorA> yes, it works
Apr 10 18:57:31 <jediator> Any recommendations on which image to use?
Apr 10 18:57:53 <XorA> I stole one off some wiki and fiddled with it
Apr 10 18:58:06 <XorA> but it was so long ago I cant remember which wiki
Apr 10 18:58:16 <XorA> it was basically a debootstrap though
Apr 10 18:59:13 <jediator> Did you go with Robert Nelson's demo image or the canonical one?
Apr 10 18:59:58 <XorA> it might have been RCNs
Apr 10 19:00:06 <XorA> name rings a bell
Apr 10 19:00:29 <jediator> Thanks XorA!  I will try the RCN one...
Apr 10 19:00:31 <XorA> I found though once you had anything with apt working, you can get the rest yourself
Apr 10 19:00:49 <jediator> apt stand for?
Apr 10 19:00:54 <XorA> this was before Canonical/Linaro actually produced anything useful
Apr 10 19:01:01 <XorA> apt is the package manger
Apr 10 19:01:59 <jediator> I see...
Apr 10 19:06:56 <djlewis> and it is nice too that rcn-ee supports his work :)
Apr 10 19:41:07 <isaacbw> do yocto builds targeted at the beagleboard work on the beaglebone without issue?
Apr 10 19:41:53 <XorA> youd be much better with Angstrom builds
Apr 10 19:42:02 <XorA> I dont think Yocto uses meta-ti
Apr 10 19:42:06 <XorA> so misses features
Apr 10 19:42:48 * XorA collects his 5$ royalty from koen
Apr 10 19:46:47 <denix> yocto "supports" beagleboard, but not beaglebone
Apr 10 20:07:47 <isaacbw> hmm
Apr 10 20:08:49 <djlewis> ds2: change your name ;)
Apr 10 20:15:38 <isaacbw> is the angstrom online builder what people tend to use?
Apr 10 20:16:00 <isaacbw> it looks pretty slick
Apr 10 20:19:12 <isaacbw> when I mount the beaglebone as a drive is it showing me the contents of the microSD card or is it doing something else?
Apr 10 20:30:45 <nkh> hello guys
Apr 10 20:31:05 <nkh> I'm running samples of c6run on BBxM
Apr 10 20:31:45 <nkh> running examples/c6runapp/emqbit/bench_dsp
Apr 10 20:32:03 <nkh> gives longer times than the arm one ...
Apr 10 20:32:17 <nkh> I also tested a fft program in c
Apr 10 20:32:30 <nkh> the arm one is faster again!
Apr 10 20:33:14 <nkh> shouldn't a fft calculation be faster on dsp ?
Apr 10 20:34:04 <mru> depends
Apr 10 20:34:19 <Mojito> There might be overhead in getting data into and out of the DSP, for instance
Apr 10 20:34:20 <nkh> mru: on code?
Apr 10 20:34:30 <mru> on a lot of things
Apr 10 20:35:11 <nkh> hmm, and how should I optimize these to use maximum power of the DSP?
Apr 10 20:35:31 <nkh> is there any article on these parameters or so ?
Apr 10 20:35:43 <nkh> I use dsplink on angstrom
Apr 10 20:37:01 <nkh> any one has a sample code which runs faster on the DSP? :D
Apr 10 20:40:41 <Mojito> It all depends on what the DSP istruction set is.  One designed to do video decoding is not necessarily going to be good at FFT operations
Apr 10 20:40:48 <_av500_> nkh: read the c6 compiler documentation
Apr 10 20:41:03 <_av500_> the ti toolchain can give a ton of feedback on the code generated
Apr 10 20:41:18 <mru> the c6x dsp can certainly do a fixed-point fft pretty well
Apr 10 20:41:18 <_av500_> like how many instruction it could schedule for double issue etc
Apr 10 20:41:28 <mru> _av500_: generated?
Apr 10 20:41:30 <_av500_> just recompiling arm code wont cut it
Apr 10 20:41:37 <mru> you don't generate code, you must *write* it
Apr 10 20:41:48 <_av500_> asm it generated
Apr 10 20:42:00 <_av500_> you can hint the compiler with stuff like loop iterations etc
Apr 10 20:42:11 <mru> if you want it fast, you'd better write the asm yourself
Apr 10 20:42:16 <_av500_> or that
Apr 10 20:42:55 <_av500_> nkh: and the secret of the dsp is not that it is faster than the arm
Apr 10 20:43:01 <_av500_> but that it is at the same time :)
Apr 10 20:43:10 <nkh> _av500_: mru: Thanks ! I remmembered the document of ti about c6run on optimizing compiler which I didn't read
Apr 10 20:43:18 <_av500_> well done
Apr 10 20:44:12 <nkh> _av500_: yea, I meant that about the fft it shoudl be well like mru said
Apr 10 20:44:26 <_av500_> well yes
Apr 10 20:44:37 <_av500_> but I guess fft is a well used example even for TI dsp code
Apr 10 20:44:45 <_av500_> there might be even a library
Apr 10 20:45:02 <mru> which might even use a fast algorithm
Apr 10 20:45:04 <mru> if you're really lucky
Apr 10 20:45:58 <aholler> the arm-code, if written in c, depends a lot on compiler options to. so it doesn't make sense to say the c-fft is faster without sepcifying all used options
Apr 10 20:46:18 <_av500_> we like to generalize
Apr 10 20:46:40 <nkh> actually there is another sample fft program in examples which is not good, too. I can't say anything untill I read the documents ...
Apr 10 20:46:43 <_av500_> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/17
Apr 10 20:47:16 <nkh> aholler: hmm
Apr 10 20:48:09 <aholler> I currently learn how to use digi-scope ;)
Apr 10 20:48:37 <_av500_> aholler: check if the AC is really 50Hz
Apr 10 20:48:38 <nkh> aholler: disconnected from freenode, sorry
Apr 10 20:48:49 <nkh> (01:17:14 AM) _av500_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/17
Apr 10 20:48:50 <nkh> (01:17:47 AM) nkh: aholler: hmm
Apr 10 20:48:57 <nkh> last thing I saw ...
Apr 10 20:49:02 <_av500_> well
Apr 10 20:49:13 <_av500_> you missed like all the fun
Apr 10 20:49:14 <prpplague> koen: any recomendations on someone that has time to get lvds-mini support in for angstrom panda?
Apr 10 20:49:20 <prpplague> koen: and beagle
Apr 10 20:49:27 <nkh> _av500_: :D
Apr 10 20:49:35 <_av500_> prpplague: like write 10 lines of code?
Apr 10 20:50:02 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe, i have the kernel code, just need someone to get it into OE builds
Apr 10 20:50:06 <_av500_> or does it need to have a systemd module?
Apr 10 20:50:14 <_av500_> and be configured over d-bus?
Apr 10 20:50:21 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe, just bb recipe
Apr 10 20:50:22 <_av500_> usinbg python?
Apr 10 20:52:33 <nkh> ok So no One had more advice on helpimg me to reach the point that I run a fft on dsp , faster than on Arm ? :D
Apr 10 20:52:52 <nkh> there was one: reading TI doc on c6run
Apr 10 20:52:57 <nkh> next?
Apr 10 21:01:47 <_av500_> well, read it
Apr 10 21:02:01 <_av500_> and as I said, it does not need to be faster
Apr 10 21:02:24 <_av500_>  as long as it frees the arm to do other stuff
Apr 10 22:29:39 <mycle_vername> hi
Apr 10 22:30:52 <djlewis> low
Apr 10 22:41:02 <mru> z
Apr 10 22:42:53 <mranostay> mru: WAKE UP!
Apr 10 22:45:44 <djlewis> he's just having an impeded moment ;)
Apr 10 22:46:20 <mru> mranostay: sure, if you supply the pullup coffee
Apr 10 22:47:04 <TheAlphaNerd> anyone here have experience with openwrt?
Apr 10 22:47:59 <mranostay> yeah
Apr 10 22:48:13 <djlewis> only on tuesdays
Apr 10 22:49:18 <TheAlphaNerd> IT IS TUESDAY
Apr 10 22:49:25 <TheAlphaNerd> I want to learn how to do custom dns routing with it
Apr 10 22:49:30 <djlewis> oh, I menat mondays
Apr 10 22:49:32 <djlewis> :)
Apr 10 22:49:45 <TheAlphaNerd> I could swing by the lab
Apr 10 22:49:47 <TheAlphaNerd> if anyone is around
Apr 10 22:49:48 <TheAlphaNerd> :D
Apr 10 22:49:52 <mranostay> what lab?
Apr 10 22:49:56 <TheAlphaNerd> oops
Apr 10 22:49:59 <TheAlphaNerd> wrong chan
Apr 10 22:50:00 <TheAlphaNerd> LOL
Apr 10 22:50:01 <TheAlphaNerd> sigh
Apr 10 22:50:23 <mru> put a tail on him, he'll take us straight to the secret lab
Apr 10 22:51:32 <djlewis> i'll drop cracker crumps
Apr 10 22:51:37 <djlewis> crumbs
Apr 10 22:52:08 <mranostay> tickle it out of him
Apr 10 23:03:15 <TE52> HI, I have a problem with QMAKE2 when trying to install a toolchain, can anyone help me ??
Apr 10 23:08:11 <mranostay> nope
Apr 10 23:08:54 <mycle_vername> hey guys, for some reason the kernel-headers package (along with about 15000 others) is gone after a opkg update.  any clue why?
Apr 10 23:10:11 <ka6sox> mranostay, ++
Apr 10 23:11:30 <mranostay> ++?
Apr 10 23:14:29 <djlewis> its the money
Apr 11 00:16:44 <isaacbw> is the source for the beaglebone firmware available anywhere?
Apr 11 00:21:18 <mranostay> isaacbw: you mean u-boot?
Apr 11 00:27:19 <isaacbw> there must be code in the ROM that loads u-boot, right?
Apr 11 00:32:38 <isaacbw> ah, I guess that's all hard-coded into the SoC and booting from the SD is pre-packaged behavior
Apr 11 00:50:04 <Russ> MLO and what not?
Apr 11 00:50:21 <Russ> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project#OMAP_Boot_Sequence
Apr 11 00:51:54 <Russ> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/presentations/giving-linux-boot
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