**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 01 03:00:04 2012 May 01 07:20:39 We understand Devkit8000 frm Embest is a clone of Beagleboard, so will the kernel image of beagleboard as it is work on Devkit8000 as-well? May 01 07:31:41 <_av500_> mak1: it is not a 100% clone May 01 07:31:50 <_av500_> you need a matching kernel for it May 01 07:32:42 thanks May 01 07:34:45 is there any doc. available on internet comparing beagleboard & devkit8000 in terms of h/w config? May 01 08:18:08 is there a prebuilt kernel for the beaglebone that has dma disabled for ubuntu? May 01 08:18:20 usb dma** May 01 08:23:05 <_av500_> build one May 01 08:25:49 i'd prefer not to :-/ May 01 08:32:31 <_av500_> well, then waste your time hunting for one May 01 08:32:41 <_av500_> by now it would have been built.... May 01 08:33:11 _av500_: he said ubuntu, so that implies native builds May 01 08:33:29 <_av500_> well, even that May 01 08:33:31 it'd be nice if the beaglebone had proper working usb May 01 08:33:48 go bug TI about it May 01 08:33:58 I think i shall May 01 08:34:08 the more people complain about it, the better May 01 08:34:49 another musb source of joy? May 01 08:39:34 I can't even connect a bluetooth dongle May 01 08:39:42 I get read timeout errors May 01 09:03:01 Hi everybody. I'm trying to start Samba on e beagleboard xM with ansgtrom. It is installed but I don't know how to start it. xinitd isn't installed, how can I do? May 01 09:11:37 Ok it was quit simple: just "smbd start" and "smbstatus" to see who's connected May 01 09:11:41 quite May 01 09:12:10 hi all May 01 09:17:39 I want to connect lan with BB-xm using angstrom,how to go ahead May 01 09:20:10 i recommend using lan cable May 01 09:23:33 I m using lan cable but how to configure May 01 09:24:14 dhcp is a pretty good bet May 01 09:31:44 Hello. Just got my beaglebone. I try to get the USB-Ethernetinterface running. But how to eject the USB-storage under linux? I got it runnung unter windows, but not linux... May 01 09:43:00 pradeep: do you know LAN basis configuration? May 01 09:43:58 moon-shaker: Is it USB-storage or USB-ethernet? May 01 09:46:22 lpi: in the beaglebone readme they write, that on boot up beaglebone appears as USB-storage. I can see that in my ubuntu. To activate USB-ethernet the write, I have to eject the USB-storage. It works under windows but i don't know how to eject unter linux. I know only unmount but this does not help... May 01 09:47:16 So what do you want to do? just unmount the USB-storage from linux? May 01 09:48:45 or desactivavte USB mass storage module on the BB? May 01 09:50:38 lpi: mainly to 'eject' the mass storage to get the USB-network running under a linux host. But deactivation of the mass storage on BB would also help... May 01 09:50:59 simply type umount May 01 09:51:13 next just find where your storage is mounted May 01 09:51:34 and just tape sudo umount /PATH_WHERE_USB_IS_MOUNTED May 01 09:52:02 sorry May 01 09:52:06 simply type mount May 01 09:53:10 moon-shaker: http://pastebin.com/AQui3jkF May 01 09:57:40 No, I don't know May 01 10:02:10 lpi: thank you... exactly what i did, but that does not help... I have a serial USB connection to the BB, can i deactivate the mass storage there? Furthermore i had a look to the info.txt file. It shows just the standard text, no dynamic information. May 01 10:03:25 You ask how to unmount mass storage from your HOST linux. It's done, no? May 01 10:04:13 lpi: its done, but i dont get the network via usb running May 01 10:04:23 ok May 01 10:04:44 so it's another problem :). Ask clearly your question nex time May 01 10:04:57 you have to unload OTG Usb mass storage from the kernel on the beagle board May 01 10:05:07 did you tried lsmod on bb? May 01 10:05:55 lpi: noy yet... so a rmmod would be helful? May 01 10:06:43 What I should do: rmmod the USB otg module, and then insmod the ethernet throught USB May 01 10:15:04 lpi: I tried insmod usbnet, but the module does not exist. Has it a different name? May 01 10:15:43 forget insmod, use modprobe May 01 10:23:19 lpi: name seems to be g_ether May 01 10:23:34 yep May 01 10:24:02 if you want to locate it: type "find / -name "g_ether.ko" May 01 10:25:47 lpi: where can i force bb to load the g_ether on startup instead of the mass storage May 01 10:26:44 mmhh. I guess you have edit /etc/modules May 01 10:41:59 lpi: coulnt find it right now. But thank you very much! May 01 10:43:27 moon-shaker: /lib/modules/2.6.32/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget# May 01 10:46:12 lpi: sorry... found the modules location, but not the configuration where they tell the system to load the mass storage module first and then g_ether after ejecting May 01 10:47:28 Sorry, the USB storage isn't activated on the boot on my board by default, so I can't help you :s May 01 10:59:06 lpi: not a problem, thank you anyway May 01 10:59:15 ok May 01 11:37:54 sakoman_: I reproduced your ES3.x sgx hang May 01 13:22:12 I've a problem with remote debugging with Eclipse. I hhjave the following error: "Error during file upload. Missing element for : '' Missing element for : '' Missing element for : '' " May 01 13:32:52 IRC is almost deserted today... May 01 13:33:18 Is there a conference? May 01 13:34:02 it's labor day in significant parts of the world... May 01 13:34:41 oh yes... I forgot that. Not now in UK :( May 01 13:34:47 dm8tbr, guess that makes us insignificant... May 01 13:35:05 ka6sox: you get that later in the year :) May 01 13:35:45 true, then we head out to the ranch and do a BIG BBQ. May 01 13:35:47 so there are at least 2 persons that can answer :D May 01 13:36:04 42 May 01 13:36:30 I don't think so ^^ May 01 13:37:16 I guess it's a simple mistake, but I don't know why it doesn't work :s May 01 14:17:16 jsabeaudry, on phone with somebody working through your same fifo/256-bit thing right now…also elected to go incr with bidx of 0 :) May 01 14:18:53 mdp, Yes the only disadvantage is that it puts a lower limit on your biggest dma transfer May 01 14:19:02 from what I could understand May 01 14:23:45 any1 have experience with serial lcds on beaglebone? Or is it just useless to use a serial one and are there solutions available in 2 - 4" range with parallel busses ? May 01 14:29:13 jsabeaudry, right…they actually picked up a former edma3 designer expert and he confirmed that May 01 14:29:27 he's full of sekrit knowledge May 01 14:31:53 jsabeaudry, we have to work with the sekrit TRM that has the AES/SHAM info included :( May 01 14:35:55 more sekrit information included = bad? May 01 14:43:07 just annoying that there are multiple versions May 01 14:51:57 indeed annexes would be more appropriate, that way at least the public part of the document would match May 01 15:03:35 _roger_: those 2 sgx patches I sent should fix the bugs we talked about May 01 15:03:49 _roger_: so I guess I'm ready to work on something 1.7 based :) May 01 15:03:50 Anyone here an expert on building with Angstrom? May 01 15:05:00 I've been looking at the directories resulting from building Angstrom - and can't find the Kernel sources... it's a real maze. Any help? May 01 15:05:15 wevets: go to the angstrom website May 01 15:05:18 wevets: read it May 01 15:05:39 especially to titles of news items containing the word 'kernel' May 01 15:05:50 I know, it's out of the box thinking and all May 01 15:05:56 Been there - done that. I've been reading for a week before I resulted in doing this - the last will help. I'll give that at ry. May 01 15:18:43 wevets, sometimes it's good to take a step back, why do you want to find angstrom kernel sources? May 01 15:20:35 I'm interested in getting the GPMC out to the pins, and something I wanted to look at was how Pin muxing was accomplished in Angstrom. I've looked at Ubuntu on the Beagleboard and got that figured out about 8 months ago... May 01 15:21:25 I'm aware of automatic setup for Pin muxing also, and trying to figure out where all that is documented/if documented. Found some emails talking about setting up a Eprom std for Capes - but no source to said document. May 01 15:21:53 wevets, are you on bone or board? May 01 15:22:25 Have bone at home - board here at work. This is pursuing bone related stuff. May 01 15:24:01 This is where a lot of the pin muxing happens on bone: board-am335xevm.c May 01 15:25:25 Thanks - I've got a successful Angstrom build - but haven't located the kernel source tree where it applied all that patches. I guess I should be able to do a search for that file and find it. May 01 15:48:17 * koen is wondering about making a cape version of the emonTx: http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/emontx May 01 16:09:42 Hi Guys May 01 16:12:51 koen, that's another one of those things that (at least in my case) seems to practically belong in the category of being msp430 (or equiv) driven…and reporting back to an aggregator via low-cost RF May 01 16:13:11 but, in any case, cool idea May 01 16:14:36 essentially what they show IOW :) May 01 16:23:20 mdp: yeah May 01 16:23:47 mdp: trying to get something up and running at the new home, and I don't like using an ethernet+mcu for stuff like this May 01 16:28:44 I had previously read up on the pulse monitoring method, but of course it's all academic for me here…my utility is all analog meters yet..they only roll out newer stuff when the feds give them our tax money to do so May 01 17:33:39 gtm May 01 17:34:04 day two and I still cant type :( May 01 17:35:32 <_av500_> koen: u moved? May 01 17:36:04 _av500_: yes, u is now after v May 01 17:36:26 <_av500_> \o/ May 01 17:36:49 <_av500_> that alphabeat finally makes sense May 01 17:38:52 * djlewis returns to preschool to relearn our alphabet May 01 18:17:52 _av500_: end of june May 01 18:33:05 koen: on ogre 1.6 the "xhost +" makes it able to open an x-display. but.. it fails right afterwards in eglGetDisplay. you haven't got a cure for that as well? :) May 01 18:49:14 tasslehoff: try the 2 patches I sent to the meta-ti list today May 01 19:06:42 hello.. where can i get the complete circuit of beagle board ? so that i can build my own? May 01 19:07:29 which one, classic, or xM? May 01 19:07:36 balakrish: you will get nothing by pestering people in private messages May 01 19:08:00 * koen would suggest beagleboard.org May 01 19:08:04 <_av500_> or google May 01 19:08:42 http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design May 01 19:08:51 @mru sorry i thought.. it would reach them personally.. anyways sorry again.. thanks.. May 01 19:08:58 @thurbad thanks bro. May 01 19:09:28 balakrish, most of us do not like people we do not know to contact us personally May 01 19:09:40 @thurbad can i use beagle board in commercial projects? May 01 19:09:49 <_av500_> yes May 01 19:09:55 <_av500_> well May 01 19:10:00 <_av500_> you might not want to May 01 19:10:16 <_av500_> but you can order "commercial" beagles May 01 19:10:27 <_av500_> from the people that make beagles May 01 19:10:37 you may have some issues such as emissions from the graphics system May 01 19:11:10 if you want to make it commercial a little modification will be needed May 01 19:11:13 oh what im asking is, i want to take the beagle's circuit and use it for the commerical project.. will it affect me legally? May 01 19:11:25 read the license May 01 19:11:46 sure..i will make tons of modifcations.. which license beagle uses GPL? or CC? May 01 19:11:54 or BSD? May 01 19:12:21 please help me with this. May 01 19:12:28 I recommend you get a lawyer to read the licenses if you are running a commercial venture May 01 19:12:51 can you provide me with the license link? May 01 19:12:53 I recommend to actually start reading May 01 19:12:59 too difficult May 01 19:13:01 instead of not reading and asking us to read it for you May 01 19:13:33 really i just want the link.. so that I CAN READ. May 01 19:13:44 <_av500_> links are overrated May 01 19:13:53 thurbad already gave it to you May 01 19:13:57 <_av500_> but try www.beagleboard.org May 01 19:14:03 <_av500_> and google.com May 01 19:14:23 or baidu May 01 19:14:24 or bing May 01 19:14:27 okay thanks... May 01 19:14:28 or archos.com May 01 19:14:28 <_av500_> or lycos May 01 19:14:40 thanks for your advertisement about search engines. May 01 19:14:50 <_av500_> they are free May 01 19:14:57 <_av500_> we dont earn a commission... May 01 19:15:04 <_av500_> otherwise we'd be rich May 01 19:15:40 I earn a commission for every user of hotbot May 01 19:15:51 I haven't seen a dime in 15 years or so May 01 19:15:51 cool dude! i never heard about archos.. is it open hardware? May 01 19:15:57 koen: thanks. I had gone back to oe-classic to test, but I'll move back to core. May 01 19:15:58 <_av500_> nope May 01 19:16:16 where can i get updates about open hard ware? May 01 19:16:28 on the internet May 01 19:16:36 bing.com May 01 19:17:44 oh thats cool.. you people please give me a starting point..(pls dont mention search engines) many resources are scattered around.. i just started with the link from wikipedia.. but i want more.. pls help me. May 01 19:18:04 i saw many links given May 01 19:18:34 <_av500_> balakrish: there is no silver link May 01 19:18:43 balakrish, it was given to you already: http://beagleboard.org/hardware/design (license at top) May 01 19:19:30 why is that beagle song rolling around in my head May 01 19:19:37 oops, beatles May 01 19:19:56 thank you so much .. everyone.. May 01 19:19:57 by May 01 19:19:57 balakrish May 01 19:19:57 "I Love Open Source and Open Hardware" May 01 19:20:25 rcn-ee: how's 3.4rc doing on beagle? May 01 19:21:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pygvbo3ZAxw May 01 19:21:34 koen, it's not bad, going to start 24/7 stress testing it again... the big question, do we go kms/omapdrm and hope the ti dri2 sgx drivers come? and how much of the avs patchset do we pull in, as more of that finally get pushed mainline.. May 01 19:21:44 quick someone hand me a beer May 01 19:21:51 just one? May 01 19:22:16 a half gallon sounds like a good start May 01 19:22:30 or something in liters to some :) May 01 19:22:54 I was gonna say..need to convert to liters to appease many May 01 19:23:02 rcn-ee: I'm looking at the 1.7ddk based sgx, need to sit down with _roger_ and get it working on bone and board May 01 19:23:07 couple liters is indeed a proper start May 01 19:23:22 mdp: is a sh*tload a unit of measure? :) May 01 19:23:35 a metric sh*t-ton May 01 19:23:36 rcn-ee: since I need to use 3.4rc so I can understand what mdp is talking about :) May 01 19:23:52 I have heard reference to a "metric crapload" May 01 19:23:58 funny sh*t guys :) May 01 19:23:59 it's unclear as to why we are censoring ourselves though May 01 19:24:05 koen, i'm looking at that transition too, as the old sdk won't work work post v3.3 with x11, unless your using framebuffer mode.. May 01 19:24:26 there may be old ladies and children present ;) May 01 19:24:27 very unclear May 01 19:24:30 Mojito: that is the same measurement…different dialect :) May 01 19:24:47 mdp: is a metric shit-ton smaller or larger than an imperial one? May 01 19:24:57 koen, the current v3.4-rcX patchset i have should atleast boot right now on the beagle, but i'll push out a version to beagleboard/kernel.. May 01 19:25:21 mru larger…metric unit folks are full of more shit that imperial unit folks :P May 01 19:26:32 * mdp bings "siri, why is patchwork.kernel.org down?" May 01 19:26:33 djlewis: yeah but those are usually the people asking "HI I just got a Beagelbone!?!?! How do I setup it up?!?!?!?" :) May 01 19:27:57 djlewis: that's right…think of the chilluns.. May 01 19:28:53 hi what is the difference between beagleboard and beaglebone? May 01 19:29:25 mranostay, pretty straight forwards question, usually more somehting like this: "Would anyone mind if I asked if someone could answer a question about the beagle?" May 01 19:29:31 balakrish: $60 May 01 19:29:53 balakrish, the name May 01 19:30:19 it's hard to pick just one difference but im satisfied with my choice May 01 19:30:32 I'm focused on my choice May 01 19:31:07 po-tay-toe … po-tah-toe ... May 01 19:31:13 hey! educate the unknowns... dont make fun from them bro. pls help May 01 19:31:15 hammer toe? May 01 19:31:29 s/toe/time May 01 19:32:16 You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. May 01 19:32:31 but you can still drown it May 01 19:32:57 I wouldn't try that seems like dangerous work May 01 19:33:14 okay thanks friends! May 01 19:33:25 can you imagine if someone posted the link to http://beagleboard.org/bone and then was asked for the answer again? May 01 19:33:47 mdp, absolutely unimaginable May 01 19:33:51 ;) May 01 19:33:54 exactly May 01 19:33:58 balakrish: check the specs on the bone and the various beagleboards at a high level yourself, if you have any specific questions people here will be more willing to answer specifics than broad questions May 01 19:34:01 friends? what are friends? May 01 19:34:22 mranostay, synonym for trolls May 01 19:34:30 friends are only found on facebook May 01 19:34:48 until they unfriend you and say meanthings that you can't read :P May 01 19:34:58 ~.~ May 01 19:35:08 #beagle->meanie++ May 01 19:35:12 thurbad: dont date flakey girls May 01 19:35:17 lol May 01 19:35:26 @thurbad now im gonna do what you said..thank you so much friend! :) May 01 19:36:12 thurbad, do you have the exact steps to click on the links? May 01 19:36:31 djlewis: those are the best though May 01 19:36:42 does he have the exact links and show me where to click May 01 19:36:47 mdp: ping May 01 19:36:51 mranostay: agreed :) May 01 19:36:52 yeah ctrl+alt+del... man that joke so doesn't work anymore May 01 19:36:55 left or right click? May 01 19:37:01 middle? May 01 19:37:09 what's the middle button for? May 01 19:37:27 mdp: mind adding you $0.02 to this thread? https://groups.google.com/group/openocd-support/browse_thread/thread/d455503eea27d285?hl=en May 01 19:37:27 <_av500_> paste May 01 19:37:28 prpplague: pong May 01 19:37:40 @mdp yes i do have the link bro.. May 01 19:37:40 move your cursor and left click.. May 01 19:38:19 OH! I get it! this is a tuesday friday :) May 01 19:39:05 djlewis, _av500_ is logged in multiple times May 01 19:39:22 _av500_, doesn't seem to work on windows 7, can you tell me exact steps? May 01 19:39:42 <_av500_> 1) load shotgun May 01 19:39:45 <_av500_> 2) aim at PC May 01 19:39:46 djlewis: friday is optional on all days except friday, then it's mandatory May 01 19:39:47 <_av500_> 3) click May 01 19:39:51 4) ??? May 01 19:39:54 5) profit May 01 19:40:14 prpplague: yes May 01 19:40:23 _av500_, ok, thanks friend May 01 19:40:34 <_av500_> 4) scrape bits of floppy drive bezel from forehead... May 01 19:42:24 6 head to detox for lithium removal May 01 20:00:48 mdp: thanks May 01 20:01:30 koen: ping May 01 20:05:22 prpplague: pong May 01 20:05:41 koen: pixel qi kits are in stock, and you can use amex via the paypal option May 01 20:05:44 koen: just fyi May 01 20:07:51 thanks! May 01 20:09:34 Hi, is the beaglebone a strong candidate for doing audio signal processing? I'm trying to find some performance numbers for the DSP capabilities of the Bone but nothings shows May 01 20:11:00 ..many places I read that the Sitara AM335x has a DSP but nowhere (AFAIK) does it say what this DSP is? May 01 20:11:17 it doesn't have a dsp May 01 20:11:26 so stop reading those places May 01 20:12:05 those many places get ones hopes up and then drop you like a hot rock May 01 20:12:07 <_av500_> Deep Secret Processor then.... May 01 20:12:35 hehe! thanks! May 01 20:18:39 Where do I find an efficient FFT library for the Beaglebone/Sitara - would you use FFTW or is there a more efficient realization? May 01 20:19:18 google? May 01 20:19:55 <_av500_> Guest39518: if you can live with pot, try libav's May 01 20:20:11 <_av500_> inb4, yes, meant to be misunderstood May 01 20:21:51 mranostay: I already googled and didn't find much (there was an interesting benchmarking analysis for executing FFTs on the GPU though) May 01 20:22:29 any idea at what speed you can toggle a gpio pin on the bone on/off repeatedly ? May 01 20:22:39 <_av500_> some MHz id guess May 01 20:22:47 <_av500_> it was like 2.5MHz on the beagle bone May 01 20:22:51 hmmm thats fast May 01 20:23:20 <_av500_> it was too slow for whoever found it out May 01 20:23:26 and 1 mote question. is there a way to make a function in C which is automatically called when a certain GPIO pin on the bone gets high? Like some interrupt likt thing May 01 20:23:28 <_av500_> maybe it was 250khz May 01 20:23:34 <_av500_> i forgot May 01 20:23:43 <_av500_> educa: somewhat May 01 20:23:46 even 250khz is fast for me :) May 01 20:23:52 <_av500_> but dont expect wonders timing wise May 01 20:24:01 ic May 01 20:24:30 you would think that a 720Mhz cpu would be able to do high res timing May 01 20:24:53 AV500: Thanks for you recommendation on libav's May 01 20:24:58 but afaik it involves something like PRUSS to achieve this and that not what I know :( May 01 20:26:28 back t to the old standby, auduino May 01 20:28:37 <_av500_> educa: the cpu is not meant to achieve 720mhz timing on gpios May 01 20:28:58 That I understand May 01 20:29:05 I would be happy with 50khz allready May 01 20:29:15 the PRUSSv2 runs at 250MHz with single cycle instructions May 01 20:29:19 because I want to controll steppers May 01 20:30:48 use the pruss May 01 20:31:47 mdp: thanks May 01 20:33:05 mru, is there any documentation on this pruss ? May 01 20:33:47 prpplague: I held my nose and replied via the horrid groups ph0rum-like interface after I subscribed it :) May 01 20:33:54 blech May 01 20:34:33 educa, on the ti processor wiki and and on elinux May 01 20:34:44 ic May 01 20:34:45 tnx May 01 20:34:53 https://www.google.com/search?q=PRUSSv2 May 01 20:35:36 * mru adds a p to Russ and hopes for the best May 01 20:35:38 mdp: you can use email as well May 01 20:35:51 after joining May 01 20:35:53 https://www.google.com/search?q=PRU+site%3Aprocessors.wiki.ti.com May 01 20:36:11 prpplague: yes, I use subscribed google groups that way..only way they are tolerable May 01 20:38:17 Russ, "Siri, where do I find information on the TI PRU?" May 01 20:39:18 and Siri says? May 01 20:40:19 we were just a bit out of order in execution May 01 20:40:45 hrm, I should forward that request to the SO's phone and see May 01 20:44:07 mdp: so you are the only other person that has seen this issue with the beagle-xm jtag? May 01 20:46:02 until seeing this thread, nobody has ever responded to me when I asked if anybody has heard of it May 01 20:46:26 so I assume nobody has ever used jtag with an xM…ever :) May 01 20:46:34 mdp: intersesting May 01 20:46:42 mdp: has jkridner commented? May 01 20:46:55 no hits on that awesome google thing at all….tried a zillion different search strings May 01 20:47:01 exhausted my google skills :) May 01 20:47:18 prpplague: no, not sure if he pays attention to irc discussions.. May 01 20:47:26 he's pretty much a write-only irc person May 01 20:47:31 * prpplague sends emails May 01 20:47:59 I generally don't get replies to internal mails about beagle* stuff..mostly just get ignored on questions :) May 01 20:48:03 so I gave up on that May 01 20:50:01 hehe May 01 20:50:50 mdp: i'm determined to get to the bottom of it May 01 20:51:19 mdp: i;ve order 2 more xm's to make sure it isn't something occuring with specific units May 01 20:52:25 prpplague: borrow geralds beagle graveyard May 01 20:53:11 djlewis: hehe, he's on the other side of the building, and i hate walking that far..... hehe May 01 20:53:21 djlewis: you mean the beagle boneyard May 01 20:53:31 :) May 01 20:55:52 prpplague: I'd like to see it resolved too :) May 01 20:56:10 I have a crisp new rev c here I can try May 01 20:56:28 mdp: that would be a good data point May 01 20:56:51 mdp: if you get time to test it, please post a message on the forum :) May 01 20:57:16 I will follow up progress there now that I can do so from mutt :) May 01 20:58:11 hehe May 01 20:58:14 I got dragged into somebody's else's stuff the last couple days so made no progress May 01 20:58:27 i understand all too well May 01 20:58:57 I predict I get asked about the progress of "my stuff" with that all forgotten too :) May 01 20:59:21 indeed May 01 21:06:03 prpplague, I hate walking to south campus too, especially in this heat May 01 21:08:11 a sombrero and a cold beer might help May 01 21:08:36 <_av500_> and a mule May 01 21:10:52 a chicken in every garage and a mule in every pot? May 02 01:01:43 ah netsplits? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 02 02:59:58 2012