**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 05 03:00:02 2012 May 05 03:05:54 hi mr prpplague May 05 03:06:02 hey May 05 06:22:50 prpplague: so is there any progress on a sigrok frontend? May 05 08:44:04 jsabeaudry, ncbas: 11d is live with the proper irq fix, give that one a try May 05 11:58:51 hi, i'm using openembedded to build the beagleboard image, is there a dyndns client in openembedded angstrom? i used to use ez-ipupdate but that no longer seems to be present in OE May 05 12:00:18 * mru uses static IP addresses May 05 12:15:18 Morning May 05 12:16:33 im playing around with the /sys/class tree, is there any documentation for that? May 05 12:16:49 gpio stuff, usrleds and so on May 05 12:18:43 mru, good for yee :-) May 05 12:22:30 isbric, http://www.gigamegablog.com/ May 05 12:22:39 there you can find some very nice info about these May 05 13:15:46 isbric: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=Documentation May 05 13:20:39 man , opkg upgrade seems to take ages ....... allready runnig for an hour now and still working. May 05 13:21:37 I thought it would only upgrade the kernel but I see all kinds of stuff pass on the screen :) May 05 14:15:45 I'm /g/nu here May 05 14:16:41 First time using linux. Frightened by the freedom and open sourced software. May 05 14:17:15 you're not required to look at the source May 05 14:17:39 I'm just kidding. May 05 14:17:49 I have no idea what repositories are. May 05 14:19:18 42 May 05 14:19:26 If I wanted to use a BeagleBoard with EDGE, 3G, or HSPA+ internet connection capabilities, what perhipheral would I have to buy? May 05 14:20:29 <_av500_> an usb 3g modem May 05 14:20:55 or usb edge modem May 05 14:21:03 I've never used linux before, would I have a problem finding drivers for that kind of thing? May 05 14:21:03 or usb hspa+ modem May 05 14:21:37 Currently I tether my Blackberry to my PC using Blackberry Desktop Software, which doesn't have a linux port. May 05 14:21:58 ImGNUhere: most use a usb/rs232 interface which is a standard driver May 05 14:23:21 Would it be possible to power a Beagleboard using a conventional laptop battery using some type of converter? Or any type of battery for that matter? May 05 14:25:01 ImGNUhere: yes. the battery needs to be able to provide a few watts continuous power. May 05 14:28:40 So I guess that would answer my next question, which would have been about getting a far better battery life using a Beagelboard running linux as compared to using a laptop running windows May 05 14:30:34 Windows PC's eventually come to a crawl because of bloat, is there bloat on linux distributions like Debian? May 05 14:36:16 Has anyone here ever met a girl who knew a decent amount of information about GNU/Linux? May 05 14:36:37 of course May 05 14:38:48 Would you have embedded yourself at her open source? May 05 14:42:52 Shouldn't the linux community be more noob friendly to attract the windrones like myself? May 05 14:43:25 why, do you think we miss good questions? May 05 14:44:05 Well no, but most people don't know what repositories are, along with GNOME or packages. May 05 14:44:33 Unity. I have no idea what unity is. May 05 14:44:34 most people can't read May 05 14:44:44 That's a bunch of crap May 05 14:45:01 <_av500_> there is google May 05 14:45:15 <_av500_> you dont need to go on irc to find out about unity May 05 14:45:23 <_av500_> or repositories May 05 14:46:37 I've never used anything but prebuilt computers preinstalled with windows, and jumping into linux is like learning to swim when there's no lifeguard and there are sharks May 05 14:47:06 <_av500_> no May 05 14:47:10 <_av500_> not any more May 05 14:47:12 <_av500_> its 2012 May 05 14:47:20 <_av500_> not 1980 May 05 14:47:23 you'll find the community is very responsive to specific, well-posed questions May 05 14:48:15 Hahaha, if you say so May 05 14:50:00 I've never had to look for a driver. I don't know what packages are. How on earth does your PC function without a graphical desktop. I've never entered anything at command line. May 05 14:50:55 get a tablet May 05 14:51:03 http://mally.stanford.edu/~sr/computing/basic-unix.html May 05 14:51:23 A gnu/linux tablet? May 05 14:52:18 but thinking again, valium might be better suited May 05 14:52:19 http://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/using-apt-get-to-install-programs-a-beginners-tutorial/ May 05 14:53:21 http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ May 05 14:53:34 http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?help.beginners May 05 14:53:38 What the hell is unix and how is it related to linux? May 05 14:55:47 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unix+and+linux May 05 14:56:02 What is the difference between different linux distributions? May 05 14:56:57 you'll find the community is very responsive to specific, well-posed questions May 05 14:57:09 stop feeding the trolls May 05 14:57:42 Nobody here is a troll, I'm just stupid when it comes to operating systems other than Linux and Blackberry OS May 05 14:57:56 learn what topics are May 05 14:58:48 and learn what trolls are May 05 14:58:59 ~summon jkridner May 05 15:03:23 :( May 05 15:07:50 Hi there May 05 15:08:18 I'm trying to buy a beagleboard-xm, but farnell is stcking rev A3 and rev B at the moment May 05 15:08:44 would it be better to wait for Rev C stock, or should I get Rev A3 or Rev B? May 05 15:10:38 ehm... can you guys read me? May 05 15:11:42 hi, i'm trying to get bluetooth dongle using the usb on beagleboard c4 but just getting " hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2" May 05 16:37:03 hi May 05 16:37:44 <_sundar_> hi May 05 16:37:45 the default angstrom distribution coming with the bone has many bugs... last I found is /etc/crontab missing the calls to execute /etc/cron.*/ May 05 16:38:31 I gotta join the MLs May 05 16:38:48 (but I'm too busy working on code :) ) May 05 17:04:07 HI there May 05 17:04:43 I'm trying to decide between a Beagleboard-XM or a Pandaboard-ES May 05 17:05:37 I want it for Linux and RiscOS May 05 17:06:17 so what's a better option right now? May 05 17:07:24 ..... May 05 17:44:42 <_av500_> Knightmare_: depends May 05 17:45:02 on what? May 05 17:47:16 <_sundar_> depends on your requirements May 05 17:48:03 what, how can there not be a single thing that's always best for everything? May 05 17:48:16 the gnome devs surely cannot be wrong May 05 17:49:48 <_sundar_> for running linux and Risc OS both should be fine May 05 17:50:18 hello... May 05 17:50:59 <_sundar_> hi May 05 17:51:47 sorry... I m a noob... May 05 17:52:02 but quite interested in beagleboard... May 05 17:52:08 <_sundar_> gepdiana, sorry for what May 05 17:52:12 I suppose I should be in the right place... May 05 17:52:37 <_sundar_> you have come to the right place May 05 17:52:48 hi sundar... btw... even my english is not that great :-) May 05 17:53:00 <_sundar_> mine too, whats your query? May 05 17:53:11 about open ocd... May 05 17:53:20 did u ever try that? May 05 17:53:44 <_sundar_> not my thing. wait for someone else to answer May 05 17:53:53 ok thanks! May 05 17:54:21 just for chatting... what did u use ur BB for? May 05 17:55:02 <_sundar_> i got it just to see what it can do May 05 17:55:35 oh... if ur not particularly interested in linux u should try RISCOS.. \ May 05 17:55:53 is quite amazing what u can do with just a few MB... May 05 17:56:08 <_sundar_> but i am interested in linux. i did some voip stuff on the BB and was fun May 05 17:56:23 which ditro? May 05 17:56:27 Armstrong? May 05 17:56:32 <_sundar_> angstrom May 05 17:56:42 oh.. sorry... typo... May 05 17:56:42 <_sundar_> not ArmStrong May 05 17:57:07 <_sundar_> i guess that is the name of the first person to step on the moon May 05 17:57:21 <_sundar_> this is one is first distro to run on the beagle May 05 17:57:25 Yes.. but I tought was a play with words.. May 05 17:57:30 Arm.. strong... May 05 17:58:28 it is still a bit of a pun, angstrom = very small May 05 17:58:45 <_sundar_> 10^-12 iirc May 05 17:59:00 <_sundar_> or 10^-10 May 05 17:59:31 I used linux since ancient times... May 05 17:59:41 My first distro was a slackware.. May 05 17:59:49 But I don't like it anymore... May 05 17:59:56 <_sundar_> why May 05 18:00:07 too complicate... May 05 18:00:40 billions LOC... May 05 18:00:42 <_sundar_> everything's complicated May 05 18:01:21 sure... but I think there are levels of complexity... May 05 18:02:12 for a daily use.. i can do less than I can do with windows... and I ve to struggle 2 times for having even less.. May 05 18:02:49 <_sundar_> yes modern OS does have billions of lines of code. and people use it daily. May 05 18:03:55 so for using a PC I have windows, for studying pourpouses I used minix and now I m interested in bootloaders... MLO for now... May 05 18:04:18 that's why I bought a Jtag emulator.. May 05 18:04:30 and a BB-xm May 05 18:04:56 <_sundar_> good so how well its going May 05 18:05:02 eh... May 05 18:05:29 I decided to give a try to dangerous prototypes' BusBlaster... May 05 18:05:45 but the only info about it and BB is one post on their forum... May 05 18:06:01 so I was lookin for help.. :-) May 05 18:06:30 But I got some results with linaro qemu and gdb May 05 18:06:50 (veeeeery small results) May 05 18:07:04 (angstrom results... :-) ) May 05 18:08:38 Ehm... sorry to bother u, but I m not so practice about irc netiquette... should I stay here until someone talk to me about my subject? O there is some other way? May 05 18:09:15 <_sundar_> just wait for some time and post your question again May 05 18:09:32 ok.. thank u very much! May 05 18:09:35 <_sundar_> if you don't get an answer, try the mailing list May 05 18:09:39 <_av500_> gepdiana: there is also the mailing list May 05 18:09:56 lovely... I ll give it a try then! May 05 18:10:45 <_av500_> there might be an openocd channel too May 05 18:10:48 <_av500_> prpplague: ^^^^ May 05 18:11:06 koen, looks like lxc will completely los the depends on perl anyway May 05 18:11:24 oh.. I ll look for it.. thx! May 05 18:11:49 * prpplague looks in May 05 18:12:37 gepdiana: there isn't much help for the busblaster as jtag, there is an #openocd channel but it generally is for developers of openocd , not users May 05 18:13:02 gepdiana: we have recently started a new mailing list specifically for supporting openocd from a user space perspective May 05 18:13:22 gepdiana: http://groups.google.com/group/openocd-support May 05 18:13:46 great!! thank u very much for ur help! May 05 18:13:55 gepdiana: in addition a new documentation inititive has been started over on the elinux.org wiki May 05 18:14:09 gepdiana: http://elinux.org/OpenOCD May 05 18:14:19 gepdiana: feel free to register on the wiki and contribute May 05 18:16:09 thank u... I m not able to contribute yet... I have been already on the wiki... but unluckily my questions are more busblaster related... I tried to ask in their forum too... finger crossed.. May 05 18:57:55 gepdiana: well you can always create a busblaster jtag wiki page for openocd May 05 18:58:35 ahaha... yes... if I can get it wokring.. May 05 18:58:53 gepdiana: even if you don't just start a running log of what you are working on May 05 18:58:55 I m kind a noob.. May 05 18:59:02 gepdiana: then others can contribute or comment May 05 18:59:25 mm... good idea... tomorrow I ll start with some attempts... May 05 19:00:30 thx for ur suggestions! May 05 19:06:06 hi everyone I am new to a beaglebone and am familiar with Arduino May 05 19:06:28 <_av500_> we will not hold that against you May 05 19:06:32 I thought that it would be simple enough to program basic input output function into the beaglebone but even this is really difficult May 05 19:06:33 hahhaa May 05 19:06:52 I'm a little dissapointed that there isn't even ....a tutorial on this yet, but I understand it's really new May 05 19:07:11 Are there any good sources online for walking me through making a button work?? May 05 19:07:18 I have read about muxing May 05 19:07:35 and I understand that some pins are pull up and pull down resistors May 05 19:07:58 I just find it hard to amalgamate all this info into a space where "Push button. Make LED light up" becomes a reality May 05 19:07:59 <_av500_> gpios you can access via sysfs May 05 19:08:29 <_av500_> google should provide you with example code for that May 05 19:08:35 really?.. May 05 19:09:03 so far i have found things on http://www.gigamegablog.com/ May 05 19:09:23 that domain name does not inspire confidence May 05 19:09:29 i'm sorry to report that i ....hahahhaha May 05 19:09:33 well it's actually not bad May 05 19:10:15 just I am REALLY not an ideal customer for a beagleboard. The only reason I bought it is because I am using it to run an installation that has USB-powered speakers permenantly installed into it May 05 19:10:29 so i basically just need it to be "push button. activate random sound" May 05 19:10:42 <_av500_> that should be simple May 05 19:10:48 the person who told me to buy a beagleboard has since told me it's way over his head as welll May 05 19:11:00 so now i'm just like "oh wtf I'll try to learn something new." May 05 19:11:14 push button for random sound seems more like a job for an msp430 May 05 19:11:35 <_av500_> not if the sound is more than beep May 05 19:11:50 does msp430 have the ability to power a speaker via USB interfacE? May 05 19:12:01 <_av500_> it does not even have usb May 05 19:12:09 <_av500_> its more like an arduino May 05 19:12:31 these speakers are USB powered - currently they run off of a Pure Data patch and we're trying to go "computer-less" May 05 19:12:41 the installation needs to be plug and play May 05 19:12:58 <_av500_> again, beagle should be fine for that May 05 19:13:07 great news! May 05 19:13:22 heh now i just need to get there...so you were saying about sysfs May 05 19:13:56 <_av500_> the beagle has the same cpu as last years android phones, and they do play random sounds and react to buttons... May 05 19:14:23 haha May 05 19:15:42 I am not familiar with UNIX - I really am quite a newbie, the Arduino is what I do...my strength is in making pretty things out of fiberglass not really programming May 05 19:15:49 but i'm looking at the SRM May 05 19:15:50 _av500_: msp430 should be fast enough to run a simple fm synth May 05 19:15:53 on table 10 May 05 19:15:58 oh no not synth May 05 19:16:04 has to be sounds of opera singing May 05 19:16:48 http://eringee.net/works/formants.html May 05 19:17:22 basically a bunch of reed switches embedded into the skulls of the lady mannequins May 05 19:17:52 one speaker in each head... May 05 19:18:20 _av500_: see also http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/img/strip/-WM_strip_DK_20120421.jpg May 05 19:18:23 so one set of files are panned "L" and the other "R" May 05 19:18:41 <_av500_> mru: iKnow that uKnow that iKnow that May 05 19:19:34 <_av500_> wrt fm synth May 05 19:21:40 do i need to use the .index file to activate digitalRead? May 05 19:21:50 <_av500_> ??? May 05 19:21:55 ... May 05 19:22:08 maybe digitalRead doesn't exist... May 05 19:22:23 <_av500_> nobody exists what I close my eyes May 05 19:22:27 I'm using cloud9 May 05 19:22:30 <_av500_> when* May 05 19:22:45 <_av500_> i know nothing about cloud9 May 05 19:22:47 well i wrote something yesterday that should have made total sense... May 05 19:22:48 <_av500_> jkridner: ^^^^ May 05 19:22:50 ohhh i see May 05 19:23:18 i might not be able to get help then because i don't know enough about .....anyone else.....to even understand May 05 19:23:31 this is kind of why beaglebone was an awful purchase May 05 19:23:39 i'll try a few more things and come back to the irc later May 05 19:24:09 but this basically confirms for me that no, there isn't really any practical example beyond "made an LED blink" yet May 05 19:24:51 thanks for your patience May 05 19:27:30 erin_g: digitalRead exists. May 05 19:27:42 I don't know what a .index file is. May 05 19:41:35 erin_g: that doesn't look like valid JavaScript syntax May 05 19:41:41 can you use pastebin.com? May 05 19:44:11 jk can i share a simple code with you in private chat? May 05 19:44:12 basically just "if x = HIGH then y = HIGH" May 05 19:44:12 to see if i have this concept correct May 05 19:51:26 hi jk sorry about that May 05 19:51:32 is this what you were looking for? May 05 19:51:32 http://pastebin.com/3qqhW78h May 05 19:51:56 * jkridner prefers no private chats May 05 19:53:33 http://pastebin.com/bn8sgZwM would be more proper JavaScript syntax. May 05 19:54:13 I'm not sure of what version of bonescript you have... May 05 19:54:28 at one point, a bug was fixed on digitalRead. May 05 19:54:53 I'm in the process of implementing attachInterrupt. May 05 19:55:09 I keep my latest changes on github. May 05 20:11:02 So not on board pull-ups for the beaglebone? May 05 20:21:54 jkridner: there well be a new release in a week or so, I'll pull in latest master of bonescript for that May 05 20:22:12 on say Thursday or Friday? May 05 20:22:31 thursday or so May 05 20:22:44 k. May 05 20:22:57 certainly hope to have interrupts by then. May 05 20:23:06 * mru interrupts jkridner May 05 20:23:07 how's your makerbot doing? May 05 20:23:10 epoll is still kicking my butt. May 05 20:23:28 my makerbot is still sadly sitting in the basement w/o a plastruder. :( May 05 20:24:00 epoll_wait returning all the time 0 w/o actually waiting is keeping me from it. May 05 20:24:43 * koen advices jkridner to check if things like that actually work on sysfs May 05 20:25:13 I posted on gist.github.com an epolltest.c file that actually waits for events on sysfs. May 05 20:25:59 I might go back to regular poll, since I haven't figure out how to share the event loop anyway and my initial implementation will be on a thread. :( May 05 20:26:06 so that does work nowadays May 05 20:26:18 * koen still remembers epoll() being added to ARM May 05 20:39:49 hi is jkridner still here? May 05 20:40:26 looking for help with digitalRead in the cloud9 interface May 05 22:07:48 I have a working OE environment and I can build the stock images. Now I want to add a custom bb recipe but I can't figure out how to apply it May 05 22:08:43 I would just like to apply a patch like this: http://gumstix.org/software-development/open-embedded/160-bitbake-tutorial.html May 05 22:34:51 rotfl http://www.themagpi.com/ May 05 22:37:01 for the lazy: it's a web "magazine" about the rpi May 05 22:37:04 the website is all flash May 05 22:53:30 so if I apply a patch to the version of OE I have checked out it actually modifies my local files? May 05 22:53:40 but then what happens when I update from git May 05 22:54:08 since I will then have discrepancies from the repository May 05 23:00:23 if you update using git pull --rebase, your patches will be rebased on top of new updates, and you get to fix conflicts if there are any May 05 23:10:00 I see, thanks May 05 23:12:36 if the changes were commited May 05 23:17:00 do I have to put the patches in a certain directory or how does OE know what patches were applied? May 05 23:17:11 I know that the patch application tracks it May 05 23:29:24 * mranostay checks in May 05 23:29:46 mru: why wouldn't it be in all flash? :) May 05 23:30:39 well, someone might want to read it on, uhm, an rpi... May 05 23:33:57 god these festivial people are killing the free google wifi May 05 23:46:14 4 May 05 23:46:21 crap May 06 02:32:38 hi, i'm using openembedded to build the beagleboard image, is there a dyndns client in openembedded angstrom? i used to use ez-ipupdate but that no longer seems to be present in OE May 06 02:36:49 inadyn work at all? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 06 03:00:01 2012