**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 15 02:59:59 2012
May 15 03:04:56 * mranostay wonders what KeatonT is up too
May 15 03:05:05 <mranostay> and when he is going to short his board out
May 15 03:08:00 * XorA wonders where he can buy a laptop with 4096G memory for using git
May 15 03:09:38 <mranostay> wtf are you doing?
May 15 03:13:56 <mranostay> yo emeb_mac
May 15 03:14:23 <emeb_mac> mranostay: dude!
May 15 03:14:52 <mranostay> where is my car?
May 15 03:16:19 <emeb_mac> dude/sweet/dude/sweet/etc
May 15 03:25:39 <ds2> hmmm
May 15 03:26:32 <emeb_mac> what's snoo ds2?
May 15 03:28:21 <ds2> light at the end of the tunnel sure looks like a train
May 15 03:30:05 <ds2> emeb_mac: how's the WX in your neck of the woods?
May 15 03:30:24 <emeb_mac> excessive heat advisory
May 15 03:30:43 <emeb_mac> 105F in May - about a month early for that.
May 15 03:30:46 <ds2> oh
May 15 03:30:56 <ds2> that's what i thought
May 15 03:31:09 <emeb_mac> 5 active wildfires in the state.
May 15 03:31:21 <ds2> is that up along 17?
May 15 03:32:11 <mranostay> yeah i can't deal with that kind of heat
May 15 03:32:19 <emeb_mac> One of them - http://instagr.am/p/KlfStFpIF5/
May 15 03:32:57 <emeb_mac> A couple up near Payson, another near Kingman and one down southeast
May 15 03:32:59 <mranostay> 100F and 80%> humidity.. worst day of my life :)
May 15 03:33:45 <ds2> whoa... u are surrounded
May 15 03:34:07 <emeb_mac> Yep - air's been pretty smoky in the PHX area.
May 15 03:34:44 <ds2> hmmm
May 15 03:35:56 <mranostay> get out the garden hose?
May 15 03:36:05 <ds2> what burns out in the southeast part?
May 15 03:36:11 <ds2> isn't that bare dirt?
May 15 03:36:31 <XorA> mranostay: gitk is OOMing on my 6G memory, I figure git gurus dont care about RAM and are all super rich :-D
May 15 03:36:57 <emeb_mac> actually not - higher altitude there's a lot of pinon & grass, ponderosa, etc as you go higher.
May 15 03:36:58 <mranostay> i ain't rich for sure
May 15 03:37:00 <ds2> XorA: what repo?
May 15 03:37:13 <ds2> oh
May 15 03:37:24 <ds2> so this is stuff off of 60?
May 15 03:37:24 <XorA> ds2: linux-next
May 15 03:37:49 <ds2> XorA: you could reduce the size of the repo
May 15 03:38:03 <ds2> prune or depth or something like that when cloning
May 15 03:39:03 * XorA would prefer those with 1337 coding skillz learned about memory management :-)
May 15 03:42:19 * mranostay opens a beer
May 15 04:28:19 <KeatonT> sweetness
May 15 04:28:26 <KeatonT> mysql and lighthttpd installed.
May 15 04:28:38 <KeatonT> Already imported my existing alarm logs.
May 15 04:29:05 <KeatonT> Now all I need to do is get the python code completed and hook the thing up :)
May 15 04:46:18 <jay6981> 90s flashback
May 15 04:51:39 <KeatonT> ?
May 15 04:52:09 <jay6981> i haven't heard anyone say sweetness since the 90s
May 15 04:52:45 <KeatonT> lol I guess I'm old school.
May 15 04:52:59 <KeatonT> and I'm really not that old :/
May 15 04:53:22 <jay6981> it's probably hip again
May 15 04:53:31 <KeatonT> I suppose.
May 15 04:53:57 <jay6981> everything old will be new again
May 15 04:54:09 <KeatonT> the bone wasn't really made for multitasking. It can be painfully slow when trying to install something.
May 15 04:54:31 <jay6981> i think the memory bus sucks
May 15 04:55:29 <KeatonT> RAM or from the SD card?
May 15 04:55:38 <KeatonT> I'm sure the SD card is slow.
May 15 04:55:48 <jay6981> both
May 15 04:57:00 <KeatonT> Well not like I'm going to be installing updates while accessing the webpage it's hosting at the same time frequently.
May 15 04:57:01 <KeatonT> :P
May 15 04:57:11 <jay6981> is the ethernet bus any good?
May 15 04:57:19 <KeatonT> Seems pretty quick
May 15 04:57:31 <jay6981> try doing an nfsroot
May 15 04:57:42 <KeatonT> I will once updates finish.
May 15 04:58:09 <KeatonT> what is nfsroot anyways?
May 15 04:58:28 <jay6981> root filesystem over nfs
May 15 04:59:03 <KeatonT> I can run iperf
May 15 04:59:04 <KeatonT> :P
May 15 05:19:08 <KeatonT> this command should have a disclaimer
May 15 05:19:09 <KeatonT> opgk -V2 upgrade
May 15 05:19:21 <KeatonT> "Might take the rest of the year."
May 15 05:25:33 <dfrey> Hi.  I just ordered my BeagleBone yesterday.  I chose the BeagleBone because I need to make use of a lot of GPIO.  Is there a common place for tutorials or manuals on how to configure the GPIO pins in Linux?
May 15 05:25:49 <dfrey> I want to get an idea of what I need to do before my board arrives.
May 15 05:29:14 <KeatonT> Be prepared for a lot of headaches.
May 15 05:29:48 <KeatonT> dfrey I'd start off reading the beaglebone manual
May 15 05:30:00 <trelane> read... the manual!??!
May 15 05:30:06 <KeatonT> http://beagleboard.org/static/BONESRM_latest.pdf
May 15 05:30:23 <KeatonT> trelane it give you a good idea of what the system names the damn pins.
May 15 05:30:50 <KeatonT> because symbolic names would've been too easy.
May 15 05:31:12 <trelane> ooh that's easy, the analog pins are on P9, and are 1.8v, the GPIO's are all over but to calculate them there's 3 chips and it's GPIOchip_pin so pin 0_7 is gpio7 in /sys
May 15 05:32:30 <trelane> REALLY important is the 1.8v line on P9, that is going to save your ass
May 15 05:32:45 <KeatonT> ?
May 15 05:33:11 <trelane> KeatonT, lets you power MOST devices you're going to read with an analog pin without a voltage divider
May 15 05:33:21 <KeatonT> ah nice.
May 15 05:36:24 <KeatonT> I'm still new to all this stuff.
May 15 05:36:38 <KeatonT> using the bone for a custom home alarm system.
May 15 05:38:53 <KeatonT> My main focus is the GPIO pins with pulldowns.
May 15 05:38:57 <KeatonT> Seems to be plenty.
May 15 06:50:11 <koen> jkridner: I like the new terseness of the readme
May 15 06:50:21 <jkridner> great!
May 15 06:50:44 <jkridner> I looked over the shoulder of many people and I noticed it was just too long for them to notice anything important...
May 15 06:51:10 <jkridner> so, i thought I'd get it down to the bare minimum of things that you better know before you ask.
May 15 06:51:58 <_av500_> let me guess, one line saying: "try and find out"
May 15 06:53:02 * jkridner sleeps
May 15 07:04:33 <Guest27921> is it possible to boot beagle board if mmc port is not working?
May 15 07:07:50 <_av500_> serial or usb boot
May 15 07:07:54 <_av500_> its all in the manual
May 15 07:08:01 <emeb_mac> or nand?
May 15 07:08:41 <_av500_> on select beagles
May 15 07:09:01 <Guest27921> i have C3
May 15 07:09:14 * emeb_mac only has c2/c4 beagles...
May 15 07:12:36 <_av500_> well, you can also boot it via jtag
May 15 07:12:45 <_av500_> and cosmic radiation
May 15 07:26:47 <Guest27921> so on C3, cant i boot if mmc port is gone bad?
May 15 07:27:09 <_av500_> it depends on whether you can read
May 15 07:27:23 <_av500_> preferably what I wrote a few lines above
May 15 07:27:26 <Guest27921> read which manual?
May 15 07:28:33 <Guest27921> i browsed and in all the links, they are talking about reading from mmc and writing to nand, but for me mmc is not working
May 15 07:28:53 <Guest27921> can you please tell which manual exactly?
May 15 07:29:17 <_av500_> omap3 technical referrence manual
May 15 07:30:00 <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=omap3+boot+from+usb
May 15 07:30:31 <_av500_> so please spare us the ignorance
May 15 07:43:29 <Guest27921> i found x-loader-usb for usb boot..is this the only file that differ from what i copy in mmc?
May 15 07:43:55 <_av500_> you said your mmc does not work
May 15 07:44:14 <_av500_> so you dont copy anything to mmc
May 15 07:45:38 * tasslehoff translates to "from what I used when I tried to boot from mmc"
May 15 07:46:25 <Guest27921> sorry i mean copying those files in USB, not in mmc
May 15 07:47:22 <Guest27921> what i meant by differs from mmc files is i assume i need x-loader-usb, u-boot.bin, uImage and rootfs on USB for USB booting
May 15 07:47:29 <_av500_> no
May 15 07:47:35 <_av500_> its not boot from usb-stick
May 15 07:54:48 <Guest27921> oh..ok
May 15 07:55:14 <Guest27921> is this about usb OTG to ethernet boot up?
May 15 07:57:49 <_av500_> its what is called "peripheral boot"
May 15 07:57:59 <_av500_> where you provide the boot code over serial or usb
May 15 08:16:02 <EK_> Currently I rebuild the kernel uImage,  add some kernel configuration see below list   USB Support ---> Remove "USB Mass Storage support"                                  Add "USB Gadget Support --> USB Gadget Drivers (HID Gadget)"  Then make the kernel, but get below error message  scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig   CHK     include/linux/version.h   CHK     include/generated/utsrelease.h make[1]: `include/generated/mach-typ
May 15 08:16:20 <_av500_> pastebin
May 15 08:16:43 <EK_> http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/167057.aspx
May 15 08:16:49 <EK_> i got the same issue
May 15 08:17:13 <EK_> USB Gadget Drivers (HID Gadget)
May 15 08:19:38 <EK_> does anyone have solution?_?
May 15 08:42:11 <koen> the guy quit already, but for the record: angstrom has those gadgets enabled already
May 15 08:42:36 <koen> then again, posting to e2e is pretty much the same as asking for "exact steps"
May 15 08:55:49 <Guest27921> using pserial i can get u-boot.bin from host pc..how do i need to get mlo, kernel and rootfs?
May 15 09:14:32 <koen> u-boot.bin, who still uses that?
May 15 09:14:45 <koen> the world moved to u-boot.img on TI chips a long time ago
May 15 09:15:18 <Guest27921> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardRecovery#USB_recovery i am trying with UART recovery in this link..is that with using OE?
May 15 09:16:34 <Guest27921> booting from the mmc on beagle board, all the links discuss mlo, u-boot.bin, uImage, root fs..and they are working, so got the habit of u-boot.bin a bit..
May 15 09:17:01 <Guest27921> can you please tell me if UART recovery in the above link, has worked for any one?
May 15 09:19:16 <KeatonT> anyone want to help me figure out why I'm getting this
May 15 09:19:44 <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php'.
May 15 09:19:44 <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php-cgi'.
May 15 09:19:44 <KeatonT> Unknown package 'php-cli'.
May 15 09:19:59 <KeatonT> when doing: opkg -V2 install php php-cgi php-cli
May 15 09:25:12 <_av500_> Guest27921: yes, it works
May 15 09:25:23 <_av500_> you can use usb aor serial to "boot"
May 15 09:25:49 <_av500_> it does not mean you have a root file system mounted via usb or serial
May 15 09:25:55 <_av500_> just boot from mmc and be done
May 15 09:26:44 <Guest27921> ok thank you..i have started UART recovery..mmc card is not getting detected on board, though it works perfectly fine on pc, so suspecting the mmc port and that is the reason why looking out for other ways of booting without using mmc, as it's not working
May 15 09:27:05 <_av500_> then buy a new board
May 15 09:28:07 <Guest27921> i will try first with other ways of booting, otherwise i will buy new one..after u-boot gets loaded by following above link, how can i get uImage and rootfs system files on board?
May 15 09:29:09 <_av500_> you could push the kernel over usb as well
May 15 09:29:15 <_av500_> if uboot supports that
May 15 09:29:23 <_av500_> since you have no mmc, you have no mass storage
May 15 09:29:31 <_av500_> unless you attach a usb hdd
May 15 09:29:40 <_av500_> and boot kernel and rootfs from there
May 15 09:29:43 <_av500_> many options
May 15 09:30:07 <Guest27921> ok
May 15 09:32:55 <KeatonT> :(
May 15 09:52:26 <MI_> Hi
May 15 09:53:08 <Guest26781> i am sure yesterday it was possible to build a beaglebone image using narcissus. Today beaglebone is not in the dropdown anymore. does anyone know why?
May 15 09:54:46 <jannau> Guest26781: look again, it's there for me
May 15 09:55:30 <Guest26781> for me its only beagleboard not beaglebone
May 15 09:56:07 <jannau> reload
May 15 09:56:46 <jannau> http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
May 15 09:57:49 <Guest26781> sorry. no. it only shows beagleboard not beagleBONE
May 15 09:58:13 <jannau> what come after beagleboard?
May 15 09:58:29 <Guest26781> bug20
May 15 10:00:11 <Guest26781> ... atngw100 - beagleboard - bug20 ...
May 15 10:01:29 <jannau> has http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/machine-list.html beaglebone for you?
May 15 10:03:30 <Guest26781> i tried it in a virtual linux machine. it shows beaglebone. on my windows 7 firefox it does not show beaglebone :-) i do not have any explenation for that
May 15 10:03:58 <Guest26781> using your link it shows beaglebone
May 15 10:03:59 <jannau> blame windows
May 15 10:04:15 <jannau> seriously though I suspect bad caches
May 15 10:04:45 <LetoThe2nd> always blame windows, you will be wrong only in very rare cases.
May 15 10:06:14 <Guest26781> i have no explenation for that, but anyway thanx
May 15 10:22:56 <sp00k> hi!
May 15 10:23:18 <sp00k> is there possibility to force bitbake to refetch a specific package?
May 15 10:26:27 <sp00k> my system crashed in the middle of the download of the webkit-package and now I have some 0 bytes files...
May 15 10:26:49 <koen> rm the 0 bytes files
May 15 10:27:07 <koen> and/or -c cleanall the affected recipes
May 15 10:27:55 <sp00k> thanks, I'm gonna try this!
May 15 11:09:25 <ant_work> koen: about Narcissus, how would you best add ubifs support to the Z family? Each member of the family has different nand size/layout but finally kernel knows about 6 machines. I was thinking I could set the MKUBIFS & UBINIZE ARGS in the 'real' machine.conf which then includes one of the existing $machines...better ideas?
May 15 11:11:09 <koen> ant_work: each narcissus machine has a conf file for ubi params
May 15 11:11:24 <ant_work> yes, but eg. spitz groups 3 different cases
May 15 11:11:29 <koen> (which is created by grepping the OE machine config)
May 15 11:12:17 <koen> ant_work: narcissus machines are free form, you can make 20 that use c7x0 configs for the feeds and different ubi configs
May 15 11:17:44 <ant_work> ah, ok, in Narcissus. For the kernel, it has hardcoded mtdparts (which could be wrong) but this param is passed by kexecboot afterall so this all should work...
May 15 11:31:13 <sp00k> does the usb-gadget in the demo image on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ work?
May 15 11:31:56 <sp00k> I get a kernel panic when I attach an usb-cable (with or without external DC)
May 15 11:34:13 <sp00k> (the same as described here: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=398968509361 but the "fix" did not work for me)
May 15 11:41:42 <thomas_fogh> I've created two small device and driver modules to test my LCD. I've based the device module on code from board-am335xevm.c and devices.c and modified the names in da8xx-fb.c to make a new driver module. When the fb_probe function in the driver is executed it fail to get the device clock. Any idea what I'm missing?
May 15 12:08:12 <niro> does anyone know what log-structured means?
May 15 12:08:37 <mru> as in filesystems?
May 15 12:08:44 <niro> yes
May 15 12:09:25 <mru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_file_system
May 15 12:12:27 <niro> I've read that, and it's still not going in
May 15 12:12:56 <_av500_> use a power drill
May 15 12:15:18 <thomas_fogh> Anyone able to help? Also see: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/-8-C7nuYv6E
May 15 12:21:13 <niro> thomas_fogh, you getting any clock errors on boot?
May 15 12:23:25 <thomas_fogh> @niro: How do check this? Using dmesg or do I need to setup a serial connect (just using a telnet connection now)
May 15 12:23:38 <niro> dmesg |grep rtc
May 15 12:23:50 <_av500_> rtc?
May 15 12:24:02 <_av500_> not that clock
May 15 12:24:35 <thomas_fogh> @nira: Seems ok: [    2.697514] omap_rtc omap_rtc: rtc core: registered omap_rtc as rtc0 [    2.897913] omap_rtc omap_rtc: setting system clock to 2000-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (946684800)
May 15 12:24:46 <Crofton|work> we need a channel dunce cap
May 15 12:24:59 <niro> lol
May 15 12:25:18 <niro> If you guys know, why aren't you helping?
May 15 12:25:18 <Crofton|work> this weeks award goes to someone who posted to a bunch of lists with a bad address :)
May 15 12:28:20 <thomas_fogh> @Crofton|work: Is this working? http://www.all-acronyms.com/cat/9/ANUSS/Arrogant_Nerd_Uttering_Stupid_Stuff/1224734
May 15 12:30:33 <Crofton|work> no,
May 15 12:30:50 <koen> jkridner: ping
May 15 12:30:58 <jkridner> pong
May 15 12:31:09 <Crofton|work> http://compare.ebay.com/like/320838535274?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
May 15 12:31:31 <koen> jkridner: I'm having trouble with settimeout
May 15 12:31:48 <jkridner> pastebin it?
May 15 12:32:21 <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/TybjdGMM
May 15 12:32:57 <koen> jkridner: I get the 3 readings right after each other and them a delay corresponding to settimeout
May 15 12:33:00 <jkridner> I don't know if you've seen client.js yet, but I'm just getting started with building up a client-side api.
May 15 12:33:23 <jkridner> I currently just have a pattern for setting messages and adding sequence numbers.
May 15 12:33:45 <jkridner> I'll eventually support the full function calls, but requiring callbacks (synchronous mode wouldn't be supported).
May 15 12:33:55 <koen> I just need an average of 3 readings and put the result in a global var
May 15 12:35:07 <koen> jkridner: http://pastebin.com/t9EKz2K1
May 15 12:35:10 <jkridner> I think you'd have to do something like http://pastebin.com/EAB9P3s0
May 15 12:35:49 <jkridner> I don't think you are doing what you want with 'readWeather(n)', since setTimeout wants a function, not what is returned by a function.
May 15 12:52:15 <koen> jkridner: I have it working now, thanks
May 15 12:57:51 <koen> jkridner: dialed in?
May 15 12:57:58 <jkridner> on previous call
May 15 12:58:26 <koen> ah, the sub-par tick call
May 15 13:15:18 <strata> cool. adafruit protoboard for bone is way better than i thought
May 15 14:00:36 <Guest22813> Hi all, http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/SerialBoot/, in this./pserial -p /dev/ttyS0 -f x-load.bin
May 15 14:00:37 <Guest22813> Waiting For Device ASIC ID: Press Ctrl+C to stop it hangs after this...what do i need to check for this? if i give other tty s it's giving errors, so this might be the correct tty port i am guessing
May 15 14:06:11 <Guest22813> can anyone guide me on this hanging infinitely, if you had done this before? thanks.
May 15 14:06:44 <dm8tbr> Guest22813: what are you trying to do there?
May 15 14:07:31 <Guest22813> mmc slot on my beagle board C3 seem to have gone bad, so trying to do serial boot up for xload and u-boot
May 15 14:08:25 <dm8tbr> Guest22813: and you have verified that SYSBOOT is set correctly?
May 15 14:08:34 <Guest22813> according to the link, i should have actually get "ASIC ID Detected." printed and it should load the file
May 15 14:09:29 <Guest22813> no i do not know about  SYSBOOT. what does it need to be set to? SYSBOOT of the host pc? on board i do not get any prompt
May 15 14:10:10 <_av500_> Guest22813: ttyS0 is you have a real serial on your PC
May 15 14:10:18 <_av500_> if you have usb2serial more like ttyUSB0
May 15 14:10:40 <_av500_> connect a terminal and try to see if you get "40W" or something similar
May 15 14:10:46 <dm8tbr> _av500_: happen to know the default sysboot config?
May 15 14:11:02 <_av500_> dm8tbr: serial boot should work
May 15 14:11:04 <Guest22813> i tried with ttyUSB0 also, then 2nd try i tried with ttyS0..yes i have USB to serial and not exactly serial
May 15 14:11:11 <_av500_> if nothing in nand and no sdcard
May 15 14:11:23 <_av500_> then ttyUSB0
May 15 14:11:40 <dm8tbr> or check dmesg for proper device node
May 15 14:11:49 <Guest22813> no sd card..how can i ensure nothing in nand? i can not do nand erase now right?
May 15 14:11:55 <dm8tbr> or 'ls /dev/ttyUSB*'
May 15 14:12:16 <Guest22813> _av500_, yes i get 40V and some characters printed in minicom
May 15 14:12:56 <aholler> 40v is too much
May 15 14:13:05 <Guest22813> ok yes it's ttyUSB0..what is sysboot and what is it supposed to be updated with?
May 15 14:13:24 <dm8tbr> aholler: I think that's the output on minicom, no tthe voltage. at least I hope so
May 15 14:13:35 <Guest22813> aholler, oh..i alwasy saw 40V on my beagle board before also many a time..
May 15 14:13:51 <Guest22813> dm8tbr, yes it is the output i see on minicom
May 15 14:14:40 <dm8tbr> Guest22813: well close minicom and run that command you mentioned then
May 15 14:14:45 <_av500_> Guest22813: sysboot is fine
May 15 14:14:49 <_av500_> you get 40V
May 15 14:14:59 <_av500_> run the command and reboot
May 15 14:15:20 <Guest22813> ok
May 15 14:16:37 <Guest22813> _av500_, you mean run the command and reboot while it is waiting for ASIC ID?
May 15 14:16:57 <Guest22813> yes it worked
May 15 14:17:23 <_av500_> yes, it's called serial "boot"
May 15 14:17:59 <Guest22813> If you already have an x-loader in NAND, you must push the User Button so that the NAND boot is tried after the UART boot, then power-on the board. from this i thought i need to reset only for nand booting
May 15 14:18:38 <sp00k> I'm trying to get ethernet over usb working. I see there is a module g_ether.ko that should be loaded... is there a way to automate this?
May 15 14:18:45 <Guest22813> next statement is "If you don't have one, simply power-on the board." so i was trying this, as i did not want nand booting but it meant if nand is present, i think
May 15 14:19:13 <_av500_> if in doubt, try it out...
May 15 14:19:35 <Crofton|work> anyone used ds5+gator to look at the perf counters on a beagle?
May 15 14:20:11 <Guest22813> ok. does this command "./ukermit -p /dev/ttyS0 -f u-boot.bin" take some time?
May 15 14:20:33 <_av500_> yes, if you are on ttyUSB
May 15 14:20:36 <_av500_> then it takes forever
May 15 14:22:23 <Guest22813> i corrected that..USB0 is also taking time..
May 15 14:25:14 <Guest22813> ./ukermit -p /dev/ttyUSB0 -f u-boot.bin Failed after 4 retries in sequence 0 - success send = 0 bytes Data transmit failed what did i do wrong over here? seems correct
May 15 14:25:55 <Guest22813> if i reset or remove and power on after the command i am getting this error, otherwise command running forever..any idea?
May 15 14:27:46 <Guest22813> how should the minicom be while running ukermit? minicom was closed when i ran pserial..does it need to be closed for ukermit or does minicom need to be running?
May 15 14:29:37 <_av500_> closed
May 15 14:30:29 <_av500_> you could try thus uart-monitor thing
May 15 14:31:07 <Guest22813> ok..which is uart-monitor thing?
May 15 14:31:12 <_av500_> Guest22813: also, why x-load.bin?
May 15 14:31:21 <_av500_> doesnt the link you gave say s-load.bin?
May 15 14:31:28 <_av500_> 16:31 <      Guest22813 > ok..which is uart-monitor thing?
May 15 14:31:29 <Guest22813> that link has..so i am just following it
May 15 14:31:43 <_av500_> Guest22813: again, please learn to read
May 15 14:31:52 <_av500_> you paste links and you have not even read them
May 15 14:32:13 <Guest22813> ./pserial -p /dev/ttyS0 -f x-load.bin, it is x-load.bin from the link
May 15 14:32:51 <Guest22813> i read the link, i am doing UART recovery no w
May 15 14:33:44 <_av500_> this link: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/SerialBoot/
May 15 14:33:52 <_av500_> 1) it says s-load.bin
May 15 14:33:59 <_av500_> 2) it mentions uart-monitor
May 15 14:34:49 <Guest22813> ok..i was following different link actually..i will try with this link, as from the link i saw ukermit is hanging
May 15 14:38:33 <sp00k> koen: how can I autoload the g_ether module?
May 15 14:38:55 <mru> building it into the kernel is one way
May 15 14:39:29 <sp00k> and in a built kernel?
May 15 14:41:11 <_av500_> load it from rc.local
May 15 14:43:40 <Guest22813> _av500_, ukermit command from the lik you sent is progressing, did not hang..thanks
May 15 14:43:57 <sp00k> i have only /etc/init.d/rc
May 15 14:44:10 <_av500_> Guest22813: I did not send any link
May 15 14:44:17 <_av500_> it was the link you gave
May 15 14:44:34 <_av500_> for me to read to you it seems
May 15 14:44:58 <Guest22813> no..i was following other link
May 15 14:45:05 <_av500_> whatever
May 15 14:45:49 <mru> _av500_: what, didn't you give him exact steps?
May 15 14:47:13 <_av500_> mru: no this time, I was given a link with exact steps which I then just had to read aloud
May 15 14:47:56 <mru> we could probably set up a bot for that
May 15 14:50:32 <Guest22813> i am sorry for troubling you all, but they are different links, and one not working and other working.
May 15 15:40:02 <koen> 400mAh@3.7V is already powering a beaglebone for 33 minutes
May 15 15:40:03 <koen> neat
May 15 16:10:51 <koen> 64 minutes already
May 15 16:33:34 <jodred> hello
May 15 16:33:41 <mranostay> koen: 64 minutes?
May 15 16:33:45 <jodred> i have a problem with my beagleboard xm
May 15 16:33:55 <mranostay> ah battery i see
May 15 16:34:08 <jodred> can someone help me
May 15 16:34:08 <mranostay> are we have a netsplityday?
May 15 16:34:26 <mranostay> don't ask to ask
May 15 16:34:40 <jodred> ok sry
May 15 16:34:47 <mranostay> jkridner: can we pop that in the topic? :)
May 15 16:35:12 <jodred> the problem is that i cant make the beagleboard boot on my ubuntu computer
May 15 16:35:55 <mranostay> er ok
May 15 16:36:19 <jodred> but my ubuntu can detec its usb device and can read the files in it
May 15 16:37:37 <jodred> can some one help me plsss.
May 15 16:37:39 <mranostay> jkridner: i was referencing 'don't ask to ask'... :)
May 15 16:37:51 <mranostay> jodred: ah you mean serial?
May 15 16:38:18 <jkridner> Please read http://beagleboard.org/chat for a guide on how to ask questions | don't ask to ask | be patient
May 15 16:38:41 <jodred> i can view its folders and files int it
May 15 16:38:48 <jodred> but i dont know hot to make it boot
May 15 16:38:51 <jodred> in my computer
May 15 16:39:17 <prpplague> jkridner: might add IRC Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ircsurvivalguide
May 15 16:39:32 <jkridner> not http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ?
May 15 16:39:55 <prpplague> jkridner: that one is good too
May 15 16:40:07 <jkridner> I'm going to link them on http://beagleboard.org/chat
May 15 16:40:16 <prpplague> jkridner: okie dokie
May 15 16:40:28 <jkridner> I think yours is already linked there.
May 15 16:40:39 <jodred> mranostay: do you know how to make it boot on ubuntu?
May 15 16:41:14 <fierman> hrmm.. serial connection to bb locks upon remote input
May 15 16:42:53 <jodred> mranostay: ah yea its the serial
May 15 16:43:05 <jodred> mranostay: can you help me about this
May 15 16:44:15 * jkridner vents about the 3-15 "how are you doing today, Boris?" instant messages that imply there is a question coming, but yet the author seems to think they are merely ingratiating themselves to me.
May 15 16:44:16 <mranostay> have you read the minicom howto?
May 15 16:44:51 <jkridner> hope the topic change helps some.
May 15 16:45:05 <mranostay> jkridner: kinda like "Nice weather we are having" nobody cares about the weather :)
May 15 16:45:24 <mru> mranostay: at least not geeks who spend all time indoors
May 15 16:45:37 <mru> btw, the sun is shining
May 15 16:45:59 <mru> I may have to move the laptop to see the screen
May 15 16:46:09 <arcanescu> antiglare
May 15 16:46:10 <arcanescu> ty
May 15 16:46:21 <mranostay> mru: don't have all the blinds pulled?
May 15 16:46:21 <mru> it's not the glare that's the problem
May 15 16:46:30 <mru> blinds are only half-closed
May 15 16:46:33 <arcanescu> hmmm then what is?
May 15 16:46:41 <jkridner> jodred: when you say "boot on ubuntu", are you talking about "how do I make it run ubuntu" or "how do I use it with my ubuntu machine"?
May 15 16:46:41 <mranostay> aren't trolls allergic to daylight?
May 15 16:46:54 <mru> arcanescu: sunlight on most monitors makes them hard to read
May 15 16:46:59 <mru> unless they are transreflective
May 15 16:47:31 <arcanescu> hmmmm.... I have the same issue....
May 15 16:47:38 <arcanescu> its with a alienware laptop
May 15 16:47:55 <arcanescu> m14x .... and the antiglare kinda helped.... if you are unaware the m14x screen is a mirror
May 15 16:47:59 <mru> I have an ips desktop monitor that is perfectly legible in direct sunlight
May 15 16:48:10 <mru> this screen is not all that glossy
May 15 16:48:52 <arcanescu> ah.... i always thought it was the glare... (atleast for m14)
May 15 16:49:04 <arcanescu> i like the kindle screen
May 15 16:49:11 <mru> that's e-ink
May 15 16:49:15 <mru> totally different
May 15 16:49:25 <mru> it's designed to use ambient light
May 15 16:49:35 <arcanescu> yup.... but amazing to read in the sun :]
May 15 16:49:56 <mru> sun = lots of ambient light
May 15 16:50:24 <arcanescu> hmmm
May 15 16:50:25 <mru> in a regular lcd/tft, the backlight has to compete with the ambient light
May 15 16:50:38 <mru> and it's not bright enough to overpower the sun
May 15 16:51:21 <arcanescu> oh well i think its nature telling you to get off your lazy ass
May 15 16:51:32 <movax> yeah, matte/AG monitors are readable (somewhat) in direct light
May 15 16:51:47 <movax> contrast the U2711 to the Apple Cinema Display...same exact panel, but one has copious amounts of AG coating applied
May 15 16:52:02 * movax is a huge fan of matte displays
May 15 16:52:15 <movax> even if apple charged me an extra $150 for the privilege on my MBP
May 15 16:52:17 <arcanescu> i thought kindle had a matte display
May 15 16:52:23 <arcanescu> but e-ink ... hmmm
May 15 16:52:28 <movax> it is matte, but it's also e-ink
May 15 16:52:33 <smplman> translucent...
May 15 16:52:35 <movax> i guess you could glass-coat an e-ink display? no idea
May 15 16:52:49 <mru> you can slap a piece of glass in front of anything
May 15 16:53:33 <movax> though now that i think about it, i haven't used my kindle touch in a long while =/
May 15 16:58:04 <_av500_> mru: just wear glasses :)
May 15 16:58:29 <mru> my glasses have anti-glare coating
May 15 16:58:53 <mru> totally worth the slight extra cost
May 15 16:59:25 <_av500_> super spectra coating ftw
May 15 16:59:34 <mru> no idea what the coating is
May 15 16:59:36 <mru> but it works
May 15 17:22:37 <smplman> anyone here like the game portal?
May 15 17:22:40 <smplman> http://www.zdnet.com.au/portal-turret-comes-alive-in-robot-project-339337888.htm?fb_ref=fb
May 15 17:42:45 <fierman> hello. I built an image through narcissus, using the unstable kernel, added a few packages, and downloaded the tarball.
May 15 17:43:13 <fierman> installed it on an sdcard, as usual. but the bb won;t boot from it.
May 15 17:43:43 <fierman> leds do not blink up, also no output on serial console. just a '60' on reset or powercycle
May 15 17:43:57 <fierman> Is this the expected behaviour
May 15 17:43:58 <fierman> ?
May 15 17:45:05 <rcn-ee> fierman, that's the expected behavor if you didn't correctly create the boot partition..
May 15 17:46:01 <fierman> rcn-ee: I am 100% sure I set up the boot partition correct. set bootable flag, correct geometry, and correct fs (vfat)
May 15 17:46:19 <rcn-ee> but... it's show '60' which means it didn't find the MLO
May 15 17:47:35 <fierman> rcn-ee: ok.. and W95 FAT32 _is_ the correct FS for any boot partition, on any version, right
May 15 17:47:38 <fierman> ?
May 15 17:47:54 <rcn-ee> i usually do fat16, but fat32 should also work
May 15 17:48:40 <fierman> then I really don;t understand why it cannot find MLO
May 15 17:48:50 <rcn-ee> you can ignore the geomtry, that's long since been fixed.. i usally use fdisk like: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Partition_SD_Card
May 15 17:49:25 <djlewis> is the mkcard util still valid?
May 15 17:49:43 <rcn-ee> probally, if it still works, why fix it. ;)
May 15 17:51:04 <fierman> rcn-ee: I used fdisk, other than that, no real difference
May 15 17:51:38 <rcn-ee> i'd say try again, just make sure MLO is the first thing you actually copy to the sd card...
May 15 17:51:55 <fierman> yeah, i did that
May 15 17:52:13 <fierman> the thing is, just using the default basic simple setup from narcissus works fine
May 15 17:52:20 <fierman> on the same card, same method
May 15 17:52:40 <fierman> but as soon as i try to build an image with packages added or any other options, it fails to boot
May 15 17:58:05 * fierman puzzled
May 15 18:09:32 <serekson> if I build MLO, uboot, and the kernel from source using code sourcery, where do I get the rootfs?
May 15 18:12:02 <mranostay> magic
May 15 18:12:25 <serekson> apparently I don't know that spell :(
May 15 18:14:54 <koen> serekson: the actual question is "if I build it with a prebuilt CSL toolchain, how can I get it to boot?"
May 15 18:15:10 <koen> serekson: prebuilt codesourcery is crap
May 15 18:15:18 <koen> switch to angstrom or linaro toolchains
May 15 18:15:23 <jkridner> koen: do you have a kernel I can use to test out analogWrite(), ie. one with /sys/class/pwm populated?
May 15 18:16:05 <KeatonT> hmm I need to figure out a way to play pitches via the beaglebone.
May 15 18:16:42 <jkridner> KeatonT: as in, musical notes?  use a USB audio adapter supported by Linux.
May 15 18:16:44 <koen> jkridner: opkg update ; opkg install kernel-image-3.2.16 on the 5.09
May 15 18:16:55 <KeatonT> jkridner yea just simple music notes.
May 15 18:17:18 <KeatonT> Not really looking for anything more than just two tones.
May 15 18:17:20 <jkridner> you could use PWM for simple tones.
May 15 18:17:59 <KeatonT> Yea I was thinking about building a simple tone library that the arduino has.
May 15 18:18:09 <jkridner> lots of debugging happening recently on connecting capes with audio codes, but I don't know the status.
May 15 18:18:17 <koen> jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/uImage-3.2-r11i+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01-beaglebone-20120515075805.bin
May 15 18:18:39 <jkridner> koen: I'm downloading using opkg now on the 5.09 image.
May 15 18:19:21 <jkridner> KeatonT: I'm in the process of trying to add analogWrite() to the bonescript now.  I'll need to look how tone() is done.
May 15 18:19:45 <KeatonT> ah okay cool.
May 15 18:20:20 <jkridner> I'm not sure why there isn't just one analogWrite() that includes frequency as an argument.
May 15 18:20:28 <serekson> koen: I actually used rcn-ee's stable-kernel process for the kernel and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#X-Loader for MLO and u-boot.  I think I used used code sourcery as a cross-compiler
May 15 18:21:37 * fierman is getting frustrated.. working since saturday getting any other image but the default to boot, and they all fail. used about 5 different SD cards now too. in every combination. The only thing that works is the old default image
May 15 18:21:51 <fierman> please help me
May 15 18:23:14 <jkridner> fierman: are you downloading and writing full SD card images?  what OS and application are you using?  rather than just saying "please help me", why not read the advice linked in the topic and say what you are trying to actually do and what you are seeing?
May 15 18:23:40 <fierman> jkridner: i explained here 30 minutes ago already :)
May 15 18:24:04 <fierman> but i could paste what i wrotte
May 15 18:24:25 <jkridner> I scrolled.
May 15 18:24:58 <koen> scrolling, is that sarcastic LOL'ing?
May 15 18:26:00 <jkridner> fierman: do you have serial logs or no?
May 15 18:26:23 <jkridner> when I know I have a good MLO, but the bootloader doesn't seem to find it, I try writing it to the MBR (carefully).
May 15 18:26:23 <fierman> jkridner: i am connected to serial. the only output I have there on powercycle is '60'
May 15 18:26:29 <mru> serial lols
May 15 18:27:30 <jkridner> http://markmail.org/message/2x7ib42nuqvefv3h#query:+page:1+mid:bqqi236yjqr4klun+state:results
May 15 18:27:57 <jkridner> the two dd lines are my friends.
May 15 18:29:09 <jkridner> koen: no need to update modules?
May 15 18:29:27 <koen> jkridner: practically, no
May 15 18:29:30 <fierman> jkridner: might be worth a try,. thanks :)
May 15 18:29:44 <koen> jkridner: that's why I left out the v3.2.17 update :)
May 15 18:30:43 <jkridner> rebooting
May 15 18:34:08 <fierman> jkridner: that did not help at all actually. thanks for the effort though. The reason I am sure my card is properly formatted though is that with the default image, MLO _is_ found, and everything boots as expected
May 15 18:34:34 <fierman> I can safely assume narcissus provides for a working setuptree, right ?
May 15 18:35:21 <jkridner> koen: these LEDs on the bbtoys prototype cape are very difficult to tell variations in brightness
May 15 18:35:47 <koen> jkridner: haven't used those yet
May 15 18:35:56 <koen> jkridner: try a different resistor
May 15 18:36:02 <aholler> fierman: the number of sectors have to be even
May 15 18:36:13 <aholler> (of the fat)
May 15 18:36:53 <jkridner> fierman: the order of things written to the directory matters tremendously on the beagleboard and beagleboard-xm
May 15 18:37:05 <jkridner> beaglebone is a little less picky, but still fairly picky.
May 15 18:37:06 <aholler> since when?
May 15 18:37:28 <fierman> beagleboard-xm here
May 15 18:37:44 <jkridner> aholler: the ROM has always been picky about the order the FAT directory is written...
May 15 18:37:57 <jkridner> I've found that MLO needs to be the first directory entry and shouldn't be fragmented.
May 15 18:38:30 <djlewis> i have seen windoze leave behind system files
May 15 18:38:38 <djlewis> on sd cards
May 15 18:39:08 <jonand> I have a beagleboard xm with a camera module on it. I just found the linux digital video sdk for dm3730 on ti.com. Any hints on the easiest way to run the video SDK demo programs on a beagleboard?
May 15 18:39:23 <jstearns74> does anyone have any recommendations on what database program to use on the beaglebone to interface with node.js?  I just found out that mongodb isn't available...
May 15 18:40:03 <_av500_> dbase2
May 15 18:40:31 <jkridner> jstearns74: I haven't tried with node.js, but sqlite, mysql and postgresql are all available in Angstrom.
May 15 18:41:19 <jkridner> I've done some projects in the past with sqlite where I was able to optimize to run well on a processor 1/10th the performance of that on the bone.
May 15 18:41:32 <jstearns74> thanks.  I will start my research now.
May 15 18:42:13 <jkridner> I used to be a mysql user, but I have found that postgresql has fewer surprises for me.
May 15 18:45:11 <mru> postgresql is generally more robust
May 15 18:46:21 <smplman> nosql
May 15 18:46:42 <mru> there are certainly cases where sql is not the best solution
May 15 18:48:07 <jstearns74> hummm... not exactly sure which direction I should go now :/  I hope to find examples of someone interfacing it with node to make my life easier.
May 15 18:48:30 <jay6981> mongodb has inline x86 asm
May 15 18:48:49 <mru> eeww
May 15 18:49:37 <mru> unconditional too, I bet
May 15 18:49:38 <koen> jkridner: what are your thoughs on sqlite and rrd modules for bonescript?
May 15 18:49:44 <koen> jkridner: for offline logging
May 15 18:49:51 <jkridner> very helpful.
May 15 18:50:25 <jkridner> I'd love to have a pure JSON db, but one of the sql's is probably what 90% of people need.
May 15 18:50:29 <jkridner> think panchube.
May 15 18:50:49 <mru> wtf is a json db?
May 15 18:51:23 <koen> the first name of krdner db
May 15 18:51:33 <jkridner> just a document store that you can reference with hashes.
May 15 18:51:55 <mru> do you mean an associative array?
May 15 18:51:58 <jkridner> http://nosql-database.org/ promotes a bunch of them
May 15 18:51:58 <mranostay> heh
May 15 18:51:59 <jay6981> monogdb is that
May 15 18:52:11 <jkridner> mru pretty much, but with some other methods for using them.
May 15 18:52:14 <koen> jkridner: I looked at javascriptRRD, but all the coffeescript confused me
May 15 18:52:19 <jannau> jkridner: http://www.postgresql.org/about/news/1395/ json is coming in PostgreSQL 9.2
May 15 18:52:21 <koen> jkridner: for lossy logging rrd is ideal
May 15 18:52:47 <koen> jkridner: but I must note that rrd access has insane IO patterns if it doesn't fit into memory
May 15 18:52:50 <mru> rrd isn't what I call logging
May 15 18:52:54 * jkridner leans a bit toward postgresql vs. sqlite based on my experiences of using both.
May 15 18:53:09 <mru> postgres on a bone?
May 15 18:53:15 <koen> jkridner: sqlite requires little to no config
May 15 18:53:18 <jkridner> I'm not sure how postgresql scales down.
May 15 18:53:24 <jkridner> true.
May 15 18:53:31 <XMPPwocky> maybe couchdb :P
May 15 18:53:55 <mru> I would not run any "real" db without a few GB of ram
May 15 18:54:11 * jkridner looks at https://github.com/grumdrig/node-sqlite
May 15 18:54:23 <koen> jkridner: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10718 gives 76 minutes on an idle bone fixed at 500MHz
May 15 18:55:01 <koen> jkridner: with this one: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10300
May 15 18:55:05 * mru dreads the day when the toaster refuses to operate due to a database error
May 15 18:55:23 <koen> or the kettle
May 15 18:55:39 <Russ> mru, we're half way there: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/81
May 15 18:56:10 <mranostay> mru: dread? i can't wait till we kill ourselves with technology :)
May 15 18:56:34 <jay6981> another one who just wants to watch the world burn
May 15 18:56:35 <jkridner> koen: I'd look at what people are using in common panchube targeted apps.
May 15 18:58:38 <mru> jay6981: http://wondermark.com/c/2012-05-15-837fire.gif
May 15 19:00:58 <beagle-BOB> help I received a beaglebone in the mail yesterday. what is the best way to get help ???
May 15 19:01:32 <_av500_>  ask
May 15 19:02:37 <jstearns74> jkrinder: thanks for your help.  sqlite & node.js it is.  I'll post my results.
May 15 19:02:56 <mru> is this what they call embedded these days?
May 15 19:02:57 * _av500_ likes txtfiledb
May 15 19:03:04 * mru must fine some smaller devices
May 15 19:03:11 <mru> _av500_: seen the fate "db"?
May 15 19:03:19 <mru> all text files and symlinks
May 15 19:03:29 <_av500_> csv ftw
May 15 19:03:50 <mru> well, mine are : separated
May 15 19:03:55 <beagle-BOB> ok, setenv bootdelay 10; saveenv => I get back erasing Nand... Attempt to erase non page aligned data
May 15 19:04:08 <jannau> mru: still csv
May 15 19:04:14 <mru> true
May 15 19:04:37 <mru> although it's simple, it could be more space-efficient
May 15 19:04:40 <_av500_> comma, colon, carbonite...
May 15 19:05:11 <mru> carbonite is for encasing, not separating, no?
May 15 19:05:42 <mru> unless you're referring to the explosive
May 15 19:05:53 <_av500_> encase each record separately
May 15 19:06:06 <_av500_> make sure you have no data mixup
May 15 19:12:22 <jkridner> koen: it seems the pwm pins aren't easily accessible as gpio. is that right?
May 15 19:12:51 <jkridner> I might just need to look how to unallocate them to PWM.  I'll try a bit more.  sorry to bother.
May 15 19:13:07 <koen> there are not muxed to pwm
May 15 19:13:15 <koen> so muxing them to gpio should just work
May 15 19:13:21 <jkridner> k.
May 15 19:13:23 <_av500_> jk	you are excused
May 15 19:13:34 <_av500_> darn 2g
May 15 19:13:57 <jkridner> I probably just allocated them using sysfs to pwm such that I can't get the gpio to export them.
May 15 19:14:23 <koen> jkridner: gpio doesn't know about pwm
May 15 19:15:09 <jkridner> root@beaglebone:/var/lib/cloud9# echo 50 > /sys/class/gpio/export
May 15 19:15:09 <jkridner> -sh: echo: write error: Device or resource busy
May 15 19:17:47 <koen> already exported or used for something else?
May 15 19:18:01 <koen> jkridner: also notice that the 'direction' in debugfs is now correct
May 15 19:20:25 <jkridner> wasn't already exported.  only pwm was enabled for it.
May 15 19:20:39 <koen> weird
May 15 19:20:43 <jkridner> but, I thought that the two subsystems didn't really interact.
May 15 19:20:55 <koen> that would imply the gpio export is more intelligent than I thought
May 15 19:21:09 <koen> 2 is gpio1_18, right?
May 15 19:21:35 <jkridner> 2?
May 15 19:21:40 <jkridner> ehrwpm1a
May 15 19:21:47 <jkridner> 2nd pwm, first channel
May 15 19:22:14 <koen> jkridner: dvi cape attached?
May 15 19:22:23 <jannau> _av500_: have you already tried mosh? http://mosh.mit.edu
May 15 19:22:32 <_av500_>  no
May 15 19:22:43 <koen> jkridner: gpio1_18 is an LED for a few capes (dvi, 3.5 lcd)
May 15 19:23:06 <koen> jkridner: kkeller's patches to bonescript should tell you that :)
May 15 19:23:16 <jkridner> hmmm... arduino returns 1024 (10-bit) for analogRead and bone returns 4196 (12-bit).
May 15 19:23:30 <jkridner> should I return a float scaled to 1024?
May 15 19:23:34 <koen> hell no
May 15 19:23:36 <jannau> _av500_: should be more fun over 2g than ssh
May 15 19:24:02 * jkridner looks for pull requests.
May 15 19:24:28 <koen> iirc you already pulled it in, no?
May 15 19:24:38 <_av500_> i'm afraid of change
May 15 19:24:39 <koen> it was at least discussed :)
May 15 19:24:54 <kkeller> jkridner:  if someone needs  a 10bit value, they can use the map function  - map(value,0,4096, 0, 1024);
May 15 19:25:31 <jkridner> k.  I suppose sketch compatibility is pretty far-fetched to being with.
May 15 19:25:51 <jkridner> what should analogWrite take?
May 15 19:25:51 <jannau> _av500_: enjoy your telnet then
May 15 19:25:58 <_av500_> :)
May 15 19:26:30 <kkeller> analogWrite is actually the PWM output
May 15 19:27:37 <jkridner> kkeller: yes, that is what I'm working on.
May 15 19:27:45 <kkeller> oh… sorry...
May 15 19:28:34 <jkridner> kkeller: did you notice that I changed analogRead to take in the pin structures as the argument, rather than ain indexes?
May 15 19:28:57 <jkridner> I think having the code show the pin #'s makes it easy to map physical to the code.
May 15 19:28:58 <kkeller> noticed that…  That is better.
May 15 19:29:26 <kkeller> I wrote a POST server and exclusively used pin assignments
May 15 19:39:31 <jkridner> koen, kkeller: I'm going with a floating point value between 0 and 1.
May 15 19:40:08 <kkeller> sounds good to me :)
May 15 19:43:35 <jkridner> I wonder if I should make analogRead return a float between 0 and 1 as well.
May 15 19:46:43 * jkridner breaks all of koen's demos again. :)
May 15 19:47:04 <jkridner> I'm happy that analogWrite() seems to be reasonably functional now.
May 15 19:47:57 <kkeller> jkridner:  your call on the analogRead - I just kept it similar to Ardunio  which returns a value from 0 to 1024
May 15 19:48:08 <_av500_> return 4;
May 15 19:48:23 <jkridner> right...  I figure if I'm going to break it, break it in a way that is relatively future proof.
May 15 19:48:37 <mranostay> heh
May 15 19:48:55 <jkridner> I want to be able to just have different abstraction files for different boards with different devices.
May 15 19:49:10 <_av500_> add a wrapper
May 15 19:49:14 <jkridner> adding a 'scale' to the pin for use with ain makes it easy to change for other ADCs.
May 15 19:54:36 <fierman> well, got the sd card problem to fixed. was indeed a question of the primary partition being too large, and not of an even sector size. rather trivial now that I think of it. BUt OS still won;t load. serial output gives this: http://fierman.org/meh.png . apparently my bootloader is an old one ?
May 15 19:54:56 <_av500_> possibly
May 15 20:03:07 <rcn-ee> fierman, why are you using the old X-Loader binaries? u-boot's MLO has since repalced that..
May 15 20:03:11 <fierman> so where to obtain a newer version of x-loader? the directory in angstrom does not contain it
May 15 20:03:27 <fierman> rcn-ee: i only noticed the old x-loader now
May 15 20:03:48 <rcn-ee> are you building from angstrom stable?
May 15 20:04:03 <fierman> rcn-ee: not even buildingm used the narcissus builder
May 15 20:04:12 <fierman> rcn-ee: not even building myself, used the narcissus builder
May 15 20:04:15 <rcn-ee> you could grab them here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
May 15 20:04:35 <ds2> jkridner: ping
May 15 20:04:52 <jkridner> ds2: pong
May 15 20:05:28 <fierman> rcn-ee: xloader binaries are not there ?
May 15 20:05:54 <fierman> i checked that dir already
May 15 20:05:58 <rcn-ee> no, xloader was depreciated, use the "MLO"
May 15 20:06:05 <fierman> i _am_ using MLO :)
May 15 20:06:25 <jkridner> use SPL for MLO.
May 15 20:06:31 <jkridner> u-boot SPL.
May 15 20:06:33 <rcn-ee> your using the  MLO from X-Loader, use the MLO from u-boot. ;)
May 15 20:06:42 <fierman> i am using the MLO provided by narcissus
May 15 20:06:46 <_av500_>   use TLA wherever you can
May 15 20:06:51 <fierman> so narcissus is broken ?
May 15 20:08:23 <fierman> narcissus provides MLO, u-boot.img and uImage with every build. I am using those. for old stable (default) configuration it works fine, any other configuration fails
May 15 20:09:28 <fierman> so SPL is another kickstart method ?
May 15 20:10:01 <rcn-ee> X-loader was always a old fork of u-boot, think of it coming back in (but everything was thrown out and rewritten)
May 15 20:10:28 <XMPPwocky> so
May 15 20:10:44 <XMPPwocky> the MLO is a magic filename
May 15 20:10:54 <XMPPwocky> that the BeagleBone boot ROM looks for on a SD card
May 15 20:11:03 <rcn-ee> it's just a magic file name that the ti/omap/etc boot rom looks for..
May 15 20:11:09 <XMPPwocky> the SPL is a U-Boot loader (it loads U-Boot)
May 15 20:11:34 <rcn-ee> SPL(Second Program Loader)
May 15 20:11:40 <XMPPwocky> and on the Bone, it's built and put on a SD card named "MLO"
May 15 20:11:53 <fierman> (reminiscent of kickstart on amiga then i suppose )
May 15 20:12:02 <fierman> nevermind that analogy :)
May 15 20:12:27 <XMPPwocky> so the boot ROM looks on the SD card for "MLO", finds the U-Boot SPL, loads it, the SPL then sets up RAM, looks on the SD card for U-Boot proper, loads it, and runs it
May 15 20:12:39 <rcn-ee> correct
May 15 20:12:44 <fierman> XMPPwocky: thank you for the explanation
May 15 20:13:07 <XMPPwocky> it's because the AM335x has a few KB of on-chip RAM
May 15 20:13:33 <XMPPwocky> the DDR controller needs to be initialized before you can use the 256MB of main memory
May 15 20:13:39 <XMPPwocky> so the SPL does that
May 15 20:13:46 <fierman> (i am using beagleboard xm, but i assume the method is similar)
May 15 20:13:55 <XMPPwocky> yeah, it's pretty similar AFAIK
May 15 20:14:11 <koen> jkridner: was I right about gpio-led taking gpio 50?
May 15 20:14:40 <fierman> so, MLO is the container filename for an SPL here
May 15 20:15:14 <fierman> and even if the x-loader in rom is an old version, it would not matter, since any SPL loaded would override it anyway
May 15 20:15:32 <XMPPwocky> fierman: right, it's a filename hard-coded into the boot ROM
May 15 20:15:40 <fierman> thanks :)
May 15 20:15:52 <XMPPwocky> i don't think X-Loader is in ROM
May 15 20:16:13 <koen> jkridner: maybe we should parse debug for better error messages: http://pastebin.com/de5mA1X0
May 15 20:16:18 <fierman> so. my question is. why is narcissus providing an SPL which does not work in any newer custom build ? :)
May 15 20:16:54 <fierman> i will rephrase this maybe. is narcissus useable ?
May 15 20:17:19 <fierman> as in. can i sort of assume narcissus will provide with an OS which is bootable ?
May 15 20:17:30 <fierman> if not, I will stop trying
May 15 20:17:36 <ds2> Load order is:
May 15 20:17:46 <ds2> ROM -> SPL -> U-boot -> Kernel
May 15 20:18:15 <ds2> SPL used to be known as MLO when it is coming from a MMC type device. on other devices, there isn't really a name as it is not a fs
May 15 20:18:27 <fierman> roger.
May 15 20:18:34 <fierman> thanks
May 15 20:18:35 <_av500_> ds2: we call it stage1
May 15 20:18:37 <jay6981> x-loader?
May 15 20:19:11 <ds2> _av500_: and I call it monkeys coming of the processors's....
May 15 20:19:20 <ds2> but wee digress
May 15 20:19:45 <XMPPwocky> ds2: AM335x TRM calls it a "boot image"
May 15 20:25:00 <jkridner> koen: indeed.  my DVI-D cape wasn't recognized before, but with this image it is and that is what is allocating the pwm.
May 15 20:25:02 <fierman> thanks for the help
May 15 20:25:03 <fierman> so
May 15 20:25:19 <fierman> MLO provided by narcissus IS not working
May 15 20:25:34 <jkridner> koen: it still ends up working.
May 15 20:26:35 <jkridner> I didn't even notice that the dvi::usr0 was changing brightness
May 15 20:27:00 <jkridner> I'll leave my analog.js example as is for now, but will consider parsing 'gpio' for a better debug message.
May 15 20:27:17 * koen is growing very fond of debugfs
May 15 20:34:38 <koen> time for zzzz
May 15 20:34:51 <koen> jkridner: I'll have a look at bonescript master tomorrow
May 15 20:34:53 <fierman> koen: i understood you were inititiator/builder of narcissus. do you know if it is 'working' now ?
May 15 20:41:36 <jkridner> koen: the cloud9 hack seems to work reasonably.
May 15 20:57:18 <KeatonT> Hello.
May 15 20:57:40 * fierman gets a headache
May 15 21:19:55 * djlewis hits the road..
May 15 21:26:05 <jstearns74> Any node.js experts?  I am trying to install sqlite3 using $ npm install sqlite3 (on the beaglebone), but get an error: ImportError: No module named compiler.ast.  Any suggestions?  Google isn't helping...
May 15 21:40:52 <Sgarr> jstearns74: opkg install python-compile maybe?
May 15 21:41:16 <jstearns74> I will try, thanks!
May 15 21:46:10 <jkridner> koen: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/commit/a7692490874f2bf80f35616062028b92e54709d0
May 15 21:46:16 <jstearns74> Sgarr:  python-compile - package not found (!?!).  It is listed as an available package on the Angstrom package browser, but I can't get it via the command line...
May 15 21:46:55 <Sgarr> I get that sometimes - opkg update usually resolves it (*not opkg upgrade*)
May 15 21:47:55 <jstearns74> ah.  thanks!  That worked.
May 15 21:51:40 <kkeller> jkridner:  ping - I did a git pull on cloud9…  Like the changes but...
May 15 21:52:03 <jkridner> yes...
May 15 21:52:08 <kkeller> the default values for GPIO input has changed. Was pull down/enabled
May 15 21:52:17 <jstearns74> shoot - still get the same error... 'ImportError: No module named compiler.ast'
May 15 21:52:31 <jkridner> kkeller: does arduino have a default?
May 15 21:52:35 <jkridner> what should the default be?
May 15 21:52:47 <jkridner> I made it an argument so it can be set now.
May 15 21:52:52 <jkridner> rather than just picking one.
May 15 21:53:23 <kkeller> I think that is the way to do it, just breaks old code when you change the default.
May 15 21:53:26 <jkridner> but, I did make the default to be disabled.
May 15 21:53:32 <kkeller> BUT… so much more is changed
May 15 21:53:39 <kkeller> it make not make a difference anyway
May 15 21:53:54 <jkridner> well, I don't like giving too many people surprises.
May 15 21:54:07 <jkridner> if pulldown should be the default, I can change that.
May 15 21:54:37 <kkeller> the old default was 0x27 which was pulldown and enabled for input
May 15 21:55:09 <kkeller> Is there an issue with ideal current draw if it was the old default
May 15 21:56:09 <kkeller> jkridner:  I really don't know what the default should be.  I guess it would be best to do it right (less current draw, etc)
May 15 21:56:32 <jkridner> right.  yeah, i'm not sure what the current draw would be.  generally, it is better to pull to a level.
May 15 21:58:24 <jkridner> I also have no idea about enabling 'rx'.
May 15 21:58:48 <jkridner> shall I go back to pulldown default for now?
May 15 21:59:24 <kkeller> IMHO on >input< default would be pulldown and enabled - that way it is a logical zero
May 15 22:00:35 <jkridner> true.
May 15 22:01:24 <jkridner> should 'rx' be off for output?
May 15 22:01:59 <kkeller> not sure…  (to be honest - looking at that in the TRM right now :)  )
May 15 22:02:49 <jkridner> I've now changed master twice. :)
May 15 22:02:56 * jkridner needs to apply some self control.
May 15 22:03:06 <kkeller> I had to refresh my memory…   no RXACTIVE for output
May 15 22:03:17 <jkridner> just in a hurry to try to wrap things up to travel to Maker Faire
May 15 22:03:56 * kkeller wishes I had budget to g to some of those things… but retirement stops that
May 15 22:05:11 <kkeller> this morning I got my iPhone accelerometer to remotely control my servos on the BBone…  But my cloud9 update killed it all :D
May 15 22:07:03 <_av500_> home
May 15 22:13:14 <mdp> kkeller: you really need an android app to complement that :)
May 15 22:13:52 <kkeller> I did the iPhone app in PhoneGap so it can be on droid and others
May 15 22:14:05 <mdp> oh, cool, didn't realize that
May 15 22:14:46 <mdp> I'll have to catch up with you tomorrow, just back from ti tech days and off to dinner
May 15 22:14:47 <mdp> bbl
May 15 22:20:49 <fierman> wonder if there is a one-stop solution to replace busybox with gnu-utils on an already configured and running system
May 15 22:30:30 <smplman> how is the cloud9 ide hosted on the bone?
May 15 22:35:08 <mranostay> magic
May 15 22:35:31 <mranostay> web interface?
May 15 22:35:38 <mru> one does not simply host a cloud
May 15 22:38:18 <smplman> mru: is there some sort of proxy going on?
May 15 22:38:41 <mru> uh?
May 15 22:38:56 <mru> yeah, it's all fake... it's proxied to TI servers in the cloud
May 15 22:39:25 <thurbad> lol
May 15 22:40:00 <smplman> if its cloud hosted then how do you get your code to run on the actual device
May 15 22:40:27 <thurbad> kermit?
May 15 22:41:13 <mru> smplman: the bone runs a web server with the cloud9 ide
May 15 22:42:27 <mranostay> mru: all our code belong to TI?
May 15 22:43:38 <smplman> which source is it using? this one https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9?
May 15 22:43:40 <mru> somebody set up us the bone
May 15 23:01:40 <mranostay> mru: for great justice!
May 15 23:23:43 <kkeller> jkridner: ping (still there?)
May 15 23:24:08 <jkridner> yes
May 15 23:24:52 <kkeller> since you are short on time… can I send you an email with a little code suggestion on the pinMode defaults (vs irc back and forth?)
May 15 23:25:14 <jkridner> pull requests are ideal. ;-)
May 15 23:25:25 <kkeller> will do it that way then…
May 15 23:25:28 <jkridner> e-mail is good though.
May 15 23:25:33 <jkridner> great!  pull request it is!
May 15 23:25:52 * jkridner hugs git
May 15 23:27:36 <kkeller> one more thing… isn't there an analog that is an internal voltage check that does not go out to a pin?
May 15 23:48:44 <kkeller> jkridner:  did a look at your latest and you fixed the issue…  false start
May 15 23:49:20 <jkridner> kkeller: I only know about the external reference voltage.
May 15 23:49:27 <jkridner> what was the issue.
May 15 23:49:43 <kkeller> how you where assigning the defaults
May 15 23:49:57 <kkeller> took car of the OUTPUT vs INPUT
May 15 23:50:00 <kkeller> *care
May 15 23:51:14 <kkeller> ref analog - I guess that is what I was thinking about - analog[7] is the ref voltage.
May 15 23:51:51 * kkeller tried to find that in the TRM but got lost in the 4k pages
May 15 23:51:56 * mranostay wonders what kkeller is up too
May 15 23:52:01 <mranostay> *to
May 15 23:52:13 <kkeller> come on over and see :)
May 15 23:52:55 <kkeller> mranostay:  will put on hte blog tomorrow or next day + iPhone/Droid code in a day or two later
May 15 23:53:21 <KeatonT> So why can't I seem to get nohup running python scripts in the background on the bone
May 16 00:14:01 <KeatonT> any care to help me with getting a python script running in the background on the bone?
May 16 00:17:14 <mranostay> use fork?
May 16 00:26:53 <mru> ./script &
May 16 00:27:09 <prpplague> mru: hey bud
May 16 00:27:20 <prpplague> mru: what's cookin in your neck of the woods?
May 16 00:27:31 <prpplague> mru: seen robclark any?
May 16 00:30:48 <KeatonT> mranostay it bothers me that nohup or & aren't working.
May 16 00:32:12 <mru> prpplague: I think robclark is travelling
May 16 00:32:49 <prpplague> mru: he was suppose to be cambridge and surrounding area for the week
May 16 00:33:47 <mru> he was on irc from an arm cambridge ip yesterday
May 16 00:35:07 <mranostay> mru: stalker :P
May 16 00:35:54 <scromp> revert_to 8.1
May 16 00:35:55 <mru> when irc does the reverse dns lookup for you, it's not that hard
May 16 00:35:59 <scromp> mis
May 16 00:36:26 * KeatonT will reluctantly go back to trying to figure this crap out.
May 16 00:36:48 <mru> scromp's password: _
May 16 00:36:57 <scromp> 12345
May 16 00:37:22 <scromp> (same as my luggage)
May 16 00:37:23 <mru> hmm, I see only ***** here
May 16 00:40:26 <KeatonT> this is so freaking annoying!
May 16 00:42:27 <XMPPwocky> ohfuck
May 16 00:42:37 <XMPPwocky> er, wrong channel
May 16 00:44:18 <mranostay> how dare you use that word in this channel
May 16 00:48:02 <XMPPwocky> /join #puppiesandsunshine
May 16 00:48:21 <XMPPwocky> when using .rept 4096, CHECK YOUR SYNTAX
May 16 00:48:26 <XMPPwocky> as will happily print 4096 syntax errors <<
May 16 00:48:30 <XMPPwocky> over ssh >>
May 16 00:49:26 <XMPPwocky> <<
May 16 00:49:33 * XMPPwocky left-shifts
May 16 01:16:05 <mranostay> documenting sucks enough not doing documenting on QA stuff..
May 16 02:55:37 <KeatonT> so a little help would be nice
May 16 02:55:45 <KeatonT> trying to install Debian on the bone
May 16 02:55:58 <KeatonT> but this is what my serial screen connection looks like http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7323462/gibberish.png
May 16 02:56:18 <KeatonT> any ideas?
May 16 02:59:21 <KeatonT> :/
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