**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 22 02:59:59 2012 Jun 22 04:42:08 m hello Jun 22 04:42:15 hello Jun 22 04:42:32 Hello Jun 22 04:42:33 m BeagleBot hello Jun 22 04:43:52 very initial help required .. please help Jun 22 04:46:41 beagle1234 ask your question. Jun 22 04:47:53 i got board recently it booted fine. I want to compile kernel and load image .. Jun 22 04:48:21 what image? Jun 22 04:49:11 basically i want to learn kernel. So i want make changes to kernel and make new image and load it into beagel Jun 22 05:00:03 looks like everyone is busy .. i understand my question is very stupid but need to understand all that to begin with other stuffs Jun 22 05:05:57 * mranostay takes a shot Jun 22 05:06:11 beagle1234: so what weird changes you need? Jun 22 05:07:13 i scared him off i think Jun 22 06:33:31 anybody hooked up beaglebone with gps gs407 and/or accelerometer mma7361 Jun 22 06:37:56 is the 7361 the 8 bit part? Jun 22 09:07:34 heyall Jun 22 09:07:36 moin Jun 22 09:08:08 jet - seen your post on the ML Jun 22 09:08:36 guyzmo: what ? Jun 22 09:09:09 jet - as too often, the link that has been posted just shows that someone had the same trouble, but did not give the answer Jun 22 09:09:15 (I had my share also) Jun 22 09:09:25 ...mmm...i'm trying using aplay on beagleboard xM but i think there somethign wrong if i use aplay TEST.MP3 i get a lot of error like ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' Jun 22 09:09:51 about errors while updating the beagle bone? Jun 22 09:10:18 not only about updating, I'm speaking more generally on stuff I do with the beaglebone Jun 22 09:11:00 jet - about your problem, it's a typical package conflict, and if I were you, I'd rename all the files (login.defs -> login.defs.orig etc.) Jun 22 09:11:34 and you'll still have the unsatisfied recommandations (but, hey, they're only recommandations ;) ) Jun 22 09:11:50 where is this file ? Jun 22 09:12:45 jet - I'm talking about that kind of errors: * check_data_file_clashes: Package shadow wants to install file /etc/login.defs But that file is already provided by package * shadow-sysroot Jun 22 09:15:18 and about the failing update alternatives, you may keep a copy of /var/lib/opkg/alternatives/watch, and remove the /bin/watch line (or change it to /usr/bin/watch) Jun 22 09:15:30 (if you have watch in /usr/bin) Jun 22 09:15:52 jet - doing that way may help opkg be happy ending the upgrade Jun 22 09:16:05 well, I forced to remove shadow-dev and I forced to reinstall it Jun 22 09:16:17 and it stopped complaining ? Jun 22 09:16:27 my last error is watch Jun 22 09:16:30 yes, it stopped Jun 22 09:16:41 ok, try what I just said about watch Jun 22 09:20:09 it doesn't seem to work : http://www.privatepaste.com/3c0db17f89 Jun 22 09:20:21 this is weird, watch is symlink to busybox Jun 22 09:22:46 hmm, the linaro videos do show the entrances (not the speaker) and the the sound is totally broken. Jun 22 09:24:14 jet - no it's not Jun 22 09:24:20 (it's not weird) Jun 22 09:24:52 what is busybox? (I really feel lost in this distribution :-) ) Jun 22 09:25:00 ask google Jun 22 09:25:03 thanks for your time, by the way !!! Jun 22 09:26:17 can someone get me some info in what i'm missed? i really don't understand how can i setup the default audio output for gstreamer Jun 22 09:26:33 most user use ubuntu not angstrom Jun 22 09:28:41 jet - aholler is right, RTFM about busybox :) Jun 22 09:29:06 I found it Jun 22 09:29:33 oh, it's chrismas Jun 22 09:29:46 I just received the raspberry pi ! :) Jun 22 09:30:02 guyzmo: from rs farnel or qt? Jun 22 09:30:05 both Jun 22 09:30:09 rs and farnell Jun 22 09:30:14 guyzmo: ok Jun 22 09:30:15 search engines are amazing, they can answer a lot of question and never get annoyed… Jun 22 09:30:25 we ordered them at the launch day Jun 22 09:30:31 guyzmo: i get 2 of that one month ago Jun 22 09:30:40 guyzmo: the same for me Jun 22 09:30:41 and in the mean time, we ordered 30 beaglebones :P Jun 22 09:30:58 guyzmo: we 2 board 2 bone 2 ulcd7 XD Jun 22 09:31:25 and we broke one beaglebone :> Jun 22 09:32:05 (but it did not smoke, that sucks) Jun 22 09:32:23 guyzmo: put 220V ? :) Jun 22 09:33:42 stuk_gen - well, actually it's not *totally* broken, and I don't remember the details (it's my coworker who did it), but the whole power circuit is dead Jun 22 09:34:28 guyzmo: there's 30 will arrive :) Jun 22 09:34:32 (and my colleague is still not there, we hung over this morning, too much drinking yesterday night :->) Jun 22 09:34:55 guyzmo: beer? Jun 22 09:35:35 mostly beer, but also vodka and pastis Jun 22 09:36:28 pastis ? you are french? Jun 22 09:37:00 indeed, I am Jun 22 09:37:16 feel lucky you don't have to hear my accent :) Jun 22 09:39:25 dammit !#@$!@#$ Jun 22 09:39:38 I failed to configure the kernel Jun 22 09:40:53 I think I have the same accent… Jun 22 09:40:58 guyzmo: what is pastis? Jun 22 09:43:32 stuk_gen - it's an anis based alcool that you (usually) drink with water Jun 22 09:43:48 alcohol* Jun 22 09:44:34 "but you are french" (with big mustache accent) :-p Jun 22 10:00:25 gstreamer need X to works? Jun 22 10:00:40 depends Jun 22 10:00:57 if the name of the element has "x" in the name Jun 22 10:01:23 av500: what element? Jun 22 10:02:46 no idea Jun 22 10:02:49 the one you want Jun 22 10:03:00 gst does not need X Jun 22 10:03:07 ok Jun 22 10:03:11 but there are X sinks of course Jun 22 10:03:27 i'm test audio using gstremer Jun 22 10:03:32 so i use gst-launch Jun 22 10:03:40 this don't need x i think... Jun 22 10:09:00 >_< is there some package that i can install to try the audio demo? is there some ti audio demo? Jun 22 10:24:39 so I removed busy box, and installed it again, but I still have the same error… Jun 22 11:28:23 Ah, I finally found the way to fix the problem : rm /var/lib/opkg/alternatives/watch according to http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org/msg19029.html Jun 22 12:02:10 and after lunch i'm returning to gstreamer :D Jun 22 12:02:50 guys can give me some hints? i want using qt -> phonon -> gstreamer -> ti dsp (i think) Jun 22 12:03:23 i've qt phonon gstreamer-base , gstreamer-good, ti-gstreamer Jun 22 12:03:49 i can play video (little slow) by qt, but can't listen audio Jun 22 12:04:02 what i need? i think i have all what i need Jun 22 12:09:14 stuk_gen is video and audio now working when you use gst-launcher? Jun 22 12:10:23 woglinde: i'm trying various way to use gst-launch but all fails Jun 22 12:11:01 Hello. I'm doing some tests in BeagleBone. The write time is big. Have others options? Jun 22 12:11:08 I really don't get how to regenerate the MLO and uImage in build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_05-eglibc/deploy/images/beaglebone/ !@#$ Jun 22 12:11:09 woglinde: i'm try also aplay but says ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' Jun 22 12:11:34 guyzmo: bitbake virtual/kernel generate uBoot and uImage Jun 22 12:11:44 stuk_gen - that's what I'm doing Jun 22 12:11:51 but it does not get there Jun 22 12:12:06 guyzmo: mmm sure? Jun 22 12:12:08 I've done bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel Jun 22 12:12:17 and then bitbake virtual/kernel Jun 22 12:12:23 and nothing gets into deploy Jun 22 12:12:40 MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitabake virtual/kernel Jun 22 12:12:47 bone* Jun 22 12:13:15 I sourced ~/.oe/environment Jun 22 12:13:15 stuk_gen did you follow the dsp tutorial with gstreamer? Jun 22 12:13:22 and $MACHINE is exported Jun 22 12:13:44 guyzmo uhm what are you using oe classic or oe-core? Jun 22 12:14:07 guyzmo better use koen's setup-scripts if you dont know how all works together Jun 22 12:14:10 woglinde - I don't know, I'm using the setup-scripts Jun 22 12:14:16 okay Jun 22 12:14:23 then it should work Jun 22 12:14:34 as stuk_gen says Jun 22 12:14:49 I'm doing it _again_ Jun 22 12:15:10 woglinde: i don't find a tutorial for dsp gstremer i find a lot of question on internet of user that use gstremer with bb Jun 22 12:15:17 woglinde: but more use ubuntu and X11 Jun 22 12:15:57 guyzmo: you haven't MLO.somethingaboutversion in /tmp-xxxx/deploy/image/beaglebone Jun 22 12:17:13 woglinde: the only 'tutorial' i found is this http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/gst-dsp but tell about video..not audio...and video works (slow) for me Jun 22 12:17:21 no Jun 22 12:17:25 gst-dsp is old Jun 22 12:17:32 or not used for beagle Jun 22 12:17:45 woglinde: i think is use ti-gstreamer no? Jun 22 12:20:36 yes Jun 22 12:20:38 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Example_GStreamer_Pipelines#OMAP35x Jun 22 12:20:53 you need to build all the gstreamer-ti stuff Jun 22 12:21:03 dont know in which state they are the moment Jun 22 12:21:08 gst-dsp is not old Jun 22 12:21:10 its different Jun 22 12:21:19 av500 *g* yeah its felipec Jun 22 12:22:20 av500 does gst-dsp works well wit the beagle/bone stuff in oe? Jun 22 12:22:30 how would I know :) Jun 22 12:22:41 good Jun 22 12:22:53 thats what I wanted to hear Jun 22 12:22:56 woglinde: but gstreamer-ti stuff is not the package ti-gstreamer? Jun 22 12:23:06 it is Jun 22 12:23:15 hm let me see Jun 22 12:23:20 so only opkg install i have to do...and i have done... Jun 22 12:24:16 if you have the "offical" stuff from koen/angstroem than yes Jun 22 12:24:26 hm recipes-ti/gstreamer-ti/gstreamer-ti_svn.bb Jun 22 12:24:54 hm last changeDate: Fri Sep 2 12:09:28 2011 +0200 Jun 22 12:24:57 i have done opkg install ti-gstreamer i'm not build with oe Jun 22 12:25:04 uh...2011 Jun 22 12:25:20 so it can simply don't work.. Jun 22 12:25:58 why? Jun 22 12:26:10 more important are the kernel modules Jun 22 12:26:16 like cmem and dmai Jun 22 12:26:27 this is load Jun 22 12:27:41 there are sdmak cmemk lpm_omap3530 Jun 22 12:27:48 thats good Jun 22 12:28:07 than the pipelines mentioned here http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Example_GStreamer_Pipelines#OMAP35x should work Jun 22 12:28:38 woglinde: no because Playback open error on device 'default': No such file or directory Jun 22 12:29:48 re Jun 22 12:29:53 (went to grab some food) Jun 22 12:30:56 stuk_gen - I got MLO-beaglebone-2011.09+git which is from a previous build Jun 22 12:31:24 (timestamp is anterior to README_-_DO_NOT_DELETE_FILES_IN_THIS_DIRECTORY.txt) Jun 22 12:31:36 i don't think MLO change... Jun 22 12:32:16 hi jkridner Jun 22 12:32:29 hi woglinde Jun 22 12:32:47 right, but uImage-beaglebone.bin is also anterior Jun 22 12:33:00 jkridner do you know what the state of gstreamer-ti is today? Jun 22 12:33:02 and the config-beaglebone.config does not match my modified config Jun 22 12:33:13 I don't. :( Jun 22 12:33:57 hm okay Jun 22 12:34:05 >_< Jun 22 12:34:23 stuk_gen hm okay so you are on your own Jun 22 12:34:26 guess I need to get it on a list of things to test. Jun 22 12:34:40 to figure out the right launchpipe Jun 22 12:35:05 there are some examples for that. Jun 22 12:35:06 stuk_gen but I wonder why alsa dont works Jun 22 12:35:19 jkridner sure but they are from 2009 Jun 22 12:35:23 woglinde: i think i have to set up the default 'output audio' Jun 22 12:35:26 I can point back to older images that were tested. Jun 22 12:35:38 yeah, the stuff that I know works is pretty old. Jun 22 12:35:47 I don't know where with current angstrom things fall. Jun 22 12:36:12 It has been in a state of "it must work if no one is complaining" for a while. Jun 22 12:36:14 stuk_gen is alsa working with some otherplayer like mplayer? Jun 22 12:36:31 woglinde: i don't know because i'm using console Jun 22 12:36:37 jkridner my guess is rather, that not much people are using gstreamer-ti Jun 22 12:36:39 mplayer using x Jun 22 12:36:47 mplayer work on console Jun 22 12:36:50 works Jun 22 12:36:52 mplayer can use ompafb Jun 22 12:36:54 not x? Jun 22 12:36:58 for audio only Jun 22 12:37:02 it does not need any video Jun 22 12:37:05 so i test now Jun 22 12:37:11 the package name is mplayer? Jun 22 12:37:24 opkg list | grep mplayer Jun 22 12:37:32 yes mplayer Jun 22 12:37:34 I've heard that mainline audio (alas) was good on xM. given that you are talking about gstreamer-ti, is this for xM? Jun 22 12:37:58 jkridner I am making unpaid support for stuk_gen here *g* Jun 22 12:38:09 jkridner, normal xm audio works Jun 22 12:38:27 or I should say it works as long as no-one borked it very recently Jun 22 12:38:31 woglinde: when i get all step works i paid a beer to you Jun 22 12:38:45 sure and you product sells for 100k Jun 22 12:38:49 your Jun 22 12:38:51 stupid spell corrector replaced alsa with alas Jun 22 12:39:08 jkridner: that's a correct correction :) Jun 22 12:39:20 mru *g* Jun 22 12:39:30 at least it's how I feel about it Jun 22 12:39:56 woglinde: no...50$ Jun 22 12:39:58 mru you should use an include list rather than an exclude list Jun 22 12:40:09 ok installed mplayer Jun 22 12:40:12 for software projecsts you like Jun 22 12:40:31 and try...the player play...but no audio i get Jun 22 12:40:40 woglinde: an include list would certainly be shorter Jun 22 12:40:46 yes Jun 22 12:40:50 thats what I meant Jun 22 12:41:08 stuk_gen what was your beagle not the bone? Jun 22 12:41:27 woglinde: no now i'm using beagleboard xM Jun 22 12:41:37 ah okay Jun 22 12:41:40 ps: bone have audio?!? Jun 22 12:41:41 as you heard Jun 22 12:41:55 stuk_gen: no, not without an add-on (USB or cape) Jun 22 12:42:01 I always forget what bone has or not Jun 22 12:42:41 woglinde: i'm change from board to bone..for example yeasterday i tried bone with powervr Jun 22 12:42:53 102 header pins of enjoyment Jun 22 12:42:58 woglinde: and works well...but i don't know why the latest build can't run ethernet Jun 22 12:43:13 woglinde: so i'm passed to xM..and try to run phonon Jun 22 12:43:24 stuk_gen because of sucky usbnet chipset Jun 22 12:43:36 or crappy usb at all Jun 22 12:43:41 woglinde: so on bone 3.2.18 usb eth don't work? Jun 22 12:44:36 stuk_gen: Bone has native Ethernet, not USB-based. Jun 22 12:44:36 woglinde: mh...in the 3.2.16 i don't remember..works well Jun 22 12:45:09 jkridner oh hm okay I should shut up on the specs Jun 22 12:45:31 woglinde: but i have read some problem with eth and 3.2.18 on bone Jun 22 12:45:48 I thought you need audio Jun 22 12:45:56 so bone is not an option for you Jun 22 12:46:17 woglinde: i know...but maybe with a cape...i can save me :) Jun 22 12:46:37 be carefull at chip/codec selection Jun 22 12:46:42 woglinde: but for now audio don't work so is the same :D Jun 22 12:48:00 mh...so i have two ways...or try to works with gstreamer... Jun 22 12:48:09 or stop...and go to the famous step 2 :D Jun 22 13:00:06 jkridner is there a market for oe/beagle customer consulting? Jun 22 13:00:18 absolutely. Jun 22 13:00:42 hm Jun 22 13:01:49 I usually send customers to http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Linux_Consultants_and_Commercial_Linux_Providers Jun 22 13:02:15 so, if you are looking to be a consultant, that is one place to register yourself. Jun 22 13:02:37 woglinde: just answer PMs here Jun 22 13:02:41 lots of consulting jobs Jun 22 13:02:47 or in #gst_ti Jun 22 13:02:56 not kidding Jun 22 13:03:12 jkridner hm how could my company go that the wiki site? Jun 22 13:03:55 Well, first you open up a web browser... Jun 22 13:03:58 ;-P Jun 22 13:04:13 agmlego yeah Jun 22 13:04:16 agmlego: first you buy a modem Jun 22 13:04:34 av500: I assumed that since woglinde is on IRC, an internet connection exists. Jun 22 13:04:37 in fact, you buy a bunch of 74xx to build the computer Jun 22 13:04:54 agmlego: :) Jun 22 13:05:15 jkridner so who updates the site? Jun 22 13:05:18 * av500 goes to collect sand on the beach Jun 22 13:05:41 woglinde: it is a wiki. Jun 22 13:05:57 woglinde: Nick and I monitor that page. Jun 22 13:06:11 jkridner wiki dont means anyone can spam it Jun 22 13:06:26 especially when it is a company site Jun 22 13:06:28 but okay Jun 22 13:06:34 make good entries that can be validated and they won't be reversed. Jun 22 13:06:52 or, they might get temporarily reversed while clarification is sought. Jun 22 13:07:03 okay Jun 22 13:07:48 will ask my company if we want to sign up there Jun 22 13:09:41 are there any temp sensors bultin in the omap3 cpu in the BeagleBoard-xm? Jun 22 13:10:32 no Jun 22 13:10:35 er Jun 22 13:10:40 omap3 might have one Jun 22 13:10:41 I forgot Jun 22 13:10:43 omap4 has Jun 22 13:11:25 is emtpy gst-ti Jun 22 13:11:26 it's kind of hot on touch Jun 22 13:11:54 thats ok Jun 22 13:12:03 hot != too hot Jun 22 13:12:12 ok...so i don't know if gst-streamer works or not Jun 22 13:12:21 if nobody use it :D Jun 22 13:12:34 gst-ti works Jun 22 13:12:39 damjan: As far as I am aware, if you can touch it, it is not too hot. Jun 22 13:12:40 -.- Jun 22 13:12:44 arcanescu: are you tries? Jun 22 13:12:52 tried*-.- Jun 22 13:13:01 yes sir Jun 22 13:13:13 im using it on dm365 and not beagle though i have tested it on beagle Jun 22 13:13:14 arcanescu: on 3.2.18 kernel angstrom? Jun 22 13:13:26 im not using the encoders/decoders by gst_ti rather a branch ddompe Jun 22 13:13:38 which work like a charm rather than gst_ti stuff ... they have alot of buffering Jun 22 13:13:52 damjan: so yes, it has a sensor Jun 22 13:13:53 no im on the stupid arago kernel but TI Jun 22 13:14:04 2.6.10 :) Jun 22 13:14:09 arcanescu: i think i have missing some setup because i get [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' Jun 22 13:15:54 Hello, Jun 22 13:16:02 Hi there! Jun 22 13:17:15 stuk_gen ... hmmm ive never got that you get this when ? Jun 22 13:17:25 are you building it for the beagle? Jun 22 13:17:29 *making Jun 22 13:17:36 for board yes Jun 22 13:17:39 xM Jun 22 13:17:52 i'm installed mplayer Jun 22 13:17:58 and i get that error Jun 22 13:18:23 hmmmm.... Jun 22 13:18:29 arcanescu: this is lsmod http://pastebin.com/NMNJmYSQ Jun 22 13:18:47 but that isnt because of gst_ti packages? Jun 22 13:19:19 i'm not sure Jun 22 13:21:32 for gst_ti go to the gst_ti and download their packagse Jun 22 13:21:46 build it for the board and use the terminal to test Jun 22 13:22:07 gst_ti is not ti-gstreamer package on angstrom? Jun 22 13:22:10 you will get weird named TI plugins Jun 22 13:22:19 it is I think Jun 22 13:22:24 arcanescu: gst-inspect says Jun 22 13:22:25 but they updated the core Jun 22 13:23:00 http://pastebin.com/zht0qr2a Jun 22 13:23:58 so its installed Jun 22 13:24:19 yup looks like it Jun 22 13:24:34 so is not this the problem Jun 22 13:24:59 but the 'default' is setting automatically or i have to set up this? Jun 22 13:31:33 you have to set it up Jun 22 13:32:02 arcanescu: i think is break...what i have to look for find where is break? Jun 22 13:32:04 arcanescu hm it should work out of the box if the kernel cmdline is right Jun 22 13:32:12 short re Jun 22 13:32:35 but for now i can simply use mplayer Jun 22 13:32:46 the cmdline is mplayer /test.mp3 Jun 22 13:32:52 is not complicate :D Jun 22 13:33:09 stuk_gen alsa working now? Jun 22 13:33:17 no Jun 22 13:33:25 its says always the same error Jun 22 13:34:21 http://pastebin.com/NMt4c5gb Jun 22 13:35:04 stuk_gen whats alsamixer saying? Jun 22 13:35:41 rather looks to me alsa is not loaded Jun 22 13:35:54 cannot open mixer: No such file or directory Jun 22 13:43:02 mmm i think another user have the same problem Jun 22 13:46:00 anyone to suggest other options to the The Trainer-xM Board ? https://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16151&cat=255&page=1 Jun 22 13:46:14 what do you need? Jun 22 13:47:13 I²C, SPI, GPIO "normal" levels Jun 22 13:47:42 trainer schematics are open... Jun 22 13:48:32 hmm, that might be an option. let me ask my friends if they can build me something like that Jun 22 14:15:57 koen: this is a work-in-progress https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/commit/c5c40feb63425f9c4ca5a1c68232e1fb84017eaf Jun 22 14:16:21 do you think it'll actually help start-up time? Jun 22 14:19:03 of course not Jun 22 14:19:20 it still has to be started before it can service requests Jun 22 14:21:22 jkridner: as we're IO bound, yes Jun 22 14:21:41 jkridner: I curious how it impact the user the first time bone101 or cloud9 is accessed Jun 22 14:21:56 mru: but, it can wait until an access comes in to start. Jun 22 14:22:23 and what does that buy you? Jun 22 14:22:34 it won't let you access the service any sooner Jun 22 14:26:19 anf if a problem of user group? Jun 22 14:27:39 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Jun 22 14:34:50 install/modprobe these: snd_soc_omap snd_soc_omap3beagle snd_soc_core snd_soc_omap_mcbsp snd_soc_twl4030 Jun 22 14:38:48 mh Jun 22 14:45:59 W1N9Zr0: good...but not [AO_ALSA] Unable to set buffer time near: Invalid argument Jun 22 14:46:00 Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa' Jun 22 14:46:00 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Jun 22 14:46:00 [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' failed (-16): Device or resource busy Jun 22 14:46:00 [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Device or resource busy Jun 22 15:11:07 now i have /dev/snd Jun 22 15:11:10 but not works Jun 22 15:20:00 now alsamixer works Jun 22 15:20:06 but i get no sound Jun 22 15:28:13 http://lowcost-robot.org/?p=201 run these amixer commands to set reasonable values Jun 22 15:34:59 only terrible sound Jun 22 15:37:33 O_O Jun 22 15:37:37 no.. Jun 22 15:37:38 wait Jun 22 15:38:36 * stuk_gen scream f*****************************************k Jun 22 15:45:17 its a cable break Jun 22 15:45:19 -.- Jun 22 15:51:31 its strange ...gst-launch can't play nothing Jun 22 15:51:40 qt can play video, wav, but not mp3 Jun 22 15:51:52 aplay play only wav Jun 22 15:51:59 mplayer nothing Jun 22 15:54:10 mmm now mplayer play audio but not video XD on lcd i see strange colour XD Jun 22 16:02:09 but ok...some wav and video is play and i can listen :) Jun 22 16:02:17 for mp3 i try in future Jun 22 16:02:23 thank's to all for support Jun 22 16:18:02 av500: beach? doing something for not getting called workoholic? ;) Jun 22 16:18:50 or is it training for CA? ;) Jun 22 16:20:50 aholler: need sand for silicon Jun 22 16:23:10 indeed, rare stuff Jun 22 16:26:12 good weekend guys Jun 22 16:51:23 re Jun 22 17:03:00 Hi all Jun 22 17:03:15 Just got my BeagleBone in the mail and I have to say that it really is bloody awesome. Jun 22 17:03:29 Just built my first little circuit to turn a light on and off Jun 22 17:03:50 Quick question - I've got it connected to my MacBook via USB. Is there a way of routing net requests through that? Jun 22 17:05:13 yes Jun 22 17:06:06 Oh good Jun 22 17:06:15 Don't really want to have to keep SFTPing everything across Jun 22 17:06:42 I'm obviously googling the wrong term because I couldn't find a way of doing it Jun 22 17:07:13 enable nat on your mac and set the default gw on the bone to the ip of the mac Jun 22 17:07:59 and teach the bone the ip of the dns-server Jun 22 17:08:46 but that has nothing to do with bone at all Jun 22 17:08:50 thats normal networking Jun 22 17:09:18 Just because it is a different form factor does not change the fact it uses standard networking. ;-P Jun 22 17:10:03 Thanks guys - idiotic questions over ;) Jun 22 17:10:14 nah Jun 22 17:11:17 wasnt this much idiotic Jun 22 17:11:59 it was, "quick question" ;) Jun 22 17:12:21 Ha ha, thanks anyway Jun 22 17:12:29 Much appreciated Jun 22 17:13:04 it's Friday-day Jun 22 17:13:37 One more stupid question actually - do I need to use shutdown before unplugging it? Jun 22 17:14:07 willrobbo if you power it via usb Jun 22 17:14:21 you can answer the question yourself Jun 22 17:14:53 willrobbo: Yes. Treat the bone as you would any other PC. Jun 22 17:15:04 Unexpected power loss can corrupt the filesystem. Jun 22 17:15:36 ext3 is far better about that than, say, NTFS, but it still can happen. Jun 22 17:17:54 args Jun 22 17:18:08 bitbake deleted my ti_cgt download again Jun 22 17:29:51 you need support ;) Jun 22 17:43:49 Anyone hooked up GPS gs407 or accelerometer mma7361 to beaglebone? Jun 22 17:44:28 aholler sure Jun 22 18:04:41 <_av500_> woglinde: git add; git commit Jun 22 18:04:49 <_av500_> then you can get them back easily Jun 22 18:12:15 hey mr _av500_ Jun 22 18:20:56 _av500_ cp foo to foo.bak Jun 22 18:20:58 does the same Jun 22 18:21:01 trick Jun 22 18:21:54 numbered directories on a shared ftp site too Jun 22 18:25:58 mru if my internet connection would have been more than 2 mbit I wouldnt have complained at all Jun 22 18:28:19 <_av500_> woglinde: cp foo.c foo.c.1 Jun 22 18:28:26 <_av500_> who needs git Jun 22 18:29:03 when there is vms Jun 22 18:30:39 git as database Jun 22 18:30:40 yeah Jun 22 18:31:42 as good as any nosql db ;) Jun 22 18:32:14 <_av500_> just use several floppies Jun 22 18:34:57 git as cloud Jun 22 18:34:57 you are all old :) Jun 22 18:35:07 oh wait there is a procject Jun 22 18:35:27 github Jun 22 18:35:33 so in 10 minutes greece will be kicked out Jun 22 18:36:08 yeah well 10 + 90 minutes Jun 22 18:36:49 nope Jun 22 18:36:54 *g* Jun 22 18:37:42 woglinde: we talking soccer or the eurozone? :) Jun 22 18:38:03 soccer Jun 22 18:38:10 we dont need 90 minutes Jun 22 18:40:09 * mdp decides he needs to move the office TV to quit turning his head Jun 22 18:40:45 should have been sick today Jun 22 19:28:49 mranostay, me too Jun 22 19:37:16 whoo Jun 22 19:37:23 at least one goal Jun 22 19:50:44 anyone know what the status is of the bone circuitco 7" lcd cape? Jun 22 19:53:55 Circuitco might. Jun 22 20:20:29 tripzero: it's for sale now Jun 22 20:20:32 tripzero: e.g. at http://boardzoo.com/ Jun 22 20:26:45 * djlewis saw that but couldnt tell that it was a stocked item. Mouser and digikey list them as well Jun 22 20:26:52 while mouser shows on order Jun 22 20:55:40 koen, i guess i meant software status. ie, can i turn on/off the screen in software. touchscreen works in X11, etc Jun 22 20:55:56 specifically kernel support Jun 22 21:50:26 Really, I wanna know why NOTHING I do on this damned board works Jun 22 21:50:40 So irritating Jun 22 21:50:49 Nothing == nothing Jun 22 21:51:48 so vague Jun 22 21:52:02 Every approach or set of instructions I follow ends up stopping at some point where I can't find a solution for it. Jun 22 21:52:12 buildroot fails because of some wchar_t issue Jun 22 21:52:15 sounds like college math and me Jun 22 21:52:22 crosstool_ng fails because of some script issue Jun 22 21:52:51 The only thing I can get working are pre-built images because compilng images just isn't working and I'm damned if I can find out why Jun 22 21:52:59 I'm about to give up on this and quit the fucking project. Jun 22 21:53:12 This entire platform seems like a mistake. Jun 22 21:53:39 Get a r-pi Jun 22 21:53:45 it will solve all your problems Jun 22 21:54:02 ya gotta be fast and good to keep up with new beagle builds Jun 22 21:54:29 but that wont be cheap Jun 22 21:55:27 What's irritating Jun 22 21:55:34 is there's all this information Jun 22 21:55:37 none of which is actually correct Jun 22 21:55:44 Because none of it actually fucking works Jun 22 21:55:51 welcome to the internet Jun 22 21:56:06 it was probally correct when written, but the world changed around it.. Jun 22 21:57:43 "none of which is actually correct" is like our extreme left/right politicians propaganda machines. Jun 22 21:58:03 Well I give up Jun 22 21:58:14 I'm sick of trying to make this poorly-supported POS work Jun 22 21:58:21 I'll have to find some other solution. Jun 22 21:59:13 Try to use openembedded, ask for help, and hear "I'll never touch OE, it sucks" Jun 22 21:59:19 so I ask about angstrom's toolchain Jun 22 21:59:24 Other people say THAT sucks Jun 22 21:59:32 It'd be nice if I could get an explanation of why. Jun 22 21:59:49 I was always able to get what I wanted done with the toolchain and local builds Jun 22 21:59:54 it's worked great for years, they were probally bias or something.. Jun 22 22:00:16 or students wanting a quick and easy solution Jun 22 22:00:51 All of it takes some effort and this channel is made up of all levels of system knowledge Jun 22 22:00:59 Most willing to assist Jun 22 22:03:01 Most ^are^ willing Jun 22 22:03:20 Well what I find Jun 22 22:03:24 is that when you ask a question Jun 22 22:03:39 you just have no idea if you're going to get an answer from someone who knows what they're doing, or someone who's just fumbling about with no clue. Jun 22 22:04:42 for some it depends on how much effort the asker is applying themselves. Jun 22 22:04:57 as to how helpful they will be. Jun 22 22:05:15 Then there are htose days that someone here will offer the info on a silver spoon :) Jun 22 22:06:54 I wonder who told him oe suckz Jun 22 22:07:06 looks rather to me this people suckz Jun 22 22:07:11 and have no clue Jun 22 22:07:37 I actually am starting to feel like I'm exerting too much effort Jun 22 22:07:59 trying to sort through outdated information gets really damned old after a while Jun 22 22:08:10 Anyway Jun 22 22:08:10 yes Jun 22 22:08:11 I'm tired of this Jun 22 22:08:14 I'm gonna do something else Jun 22 22:08:16 thats internet Jun 22 22:08:20 and will always bee Jun 22 22:08:21 try ubuntu or fedora and avoid cross-compiling. it's easier Jun 22 22:08:22 I really would not recommend this board to anyone at this point Jun 22 22:08:26 nah, get a gooseberry Jun 22 22:08:30 i NEED to crosscompile Jun 22 22:08:36 why? ;) Jun 22 22:08:37 outdate information will be there forever Jun 22 22:08:50 Look Jun 22 22:08:54 I hvae requirements to meet. Jun 22 22:08:59 use oe Jun 22 22:09:10 OE doesn't work correctly for me either. Jun 22 22:09:16 I can't get the images it creates to boot. Jun 22 22:09:21 for me it works Jun 22 22:09:29 o.O Jun 22 22:09:31 which hw Jun 22 22:09:33 then don't use that blasted crap Jun 22 22:09:34 and which image Jun 22 22:10:35 hm nice my old ti-codec-engine patch still works Jun 22 22:11:16 PEBKAC Jun 22 22:17:17 aholler: why are you telling people to avoid cross-compiling? Jun 22 22:17:26 that's the most stupid advice I've heard all day Jun 22 22:19:26 heh oh hi mru :) Jun 22 22:19:35 it is Friday Jun 22 22:20:25 mru: there is value to self hosting Jun 22 22:20:38 rid one self of that icky x86 legacy ;) Jun 22 22:21:08 my advice: compile on the fastest machine you have Jun 22 22:21:22 mru: you can give him advice what to do, I don't have a problem with that Jun 22 22:21:25 that might be morally objectionable ;) Jun 22 22:21:58 but I'm sick about people asking how to cross-compile without getting an asnwer and without having a plan Jun 22 22:22:25 aholler: in those cases, cross-compiling is not really the issue Jun 22 22:22:27 I've answered a couple of times Jun 22 22:22:40 it's the lack of plan and willingness to spend some time investigating Jun 22 22:22:43 but it gets a little old answering the same questions Jun 22 22:23:04 guess why I'm not a teacher Jun 22 22:23:08 and for those people the best solution is to avoid cross-compiling Jun 22 22:23:28 so eiteher teach them or don't say it' Jun 22 22:23:43 's stupid to tell them to use ubuntu or fedora Jun 22 22:23:45 if you don't want to invest a little time and aren't on a large project avoiding it is easy Jun 22 22:24:12 it takes 0 time to do either Jun 22 22:24:21 if you don't want to invest any time learning, you have no business buying dev boards in the first place Jun 22 22:24:23 there is no investigating, it just all works. Jun 22 22:24:33 Lol Jun 22 22:24:42 sure it works, when you know what you're doing Jun 22 22:25:06 yes, so people should _first_ learn what they're doing Jun 22 22:25:09 then it will just work Jun 22 22:25:27 get real Jun 22 22:25:41 I assure you, I am quite real Jun 22 22:25:58 maybe |mru| is real Jun 22 22:26:23 by knowing what they are doing iplies they can fix all the borken source etc as they go Jun 22 22:26:35 s/iplies/implies Jun 22 22:26:40 ds2: I see what you did there Jun 22 22:27:02 there's not _that_ much broken source Jun 22 22:27:12 smile and order another pint :) Jun 22 22:27:36 nah, the glass is still half-full Jun 22 22:27:59 by definition, usage of autoconf means it is broken. :P Jun 22 22:28:04 well hug the best looking barmaid for me :) Jun 22 22:28:06 same goes with libtools Jun 22 22:28:17 1 Jun 22 22:28:17 djlewis: I'm not at a bar Jun 22 22:28:25 if I were, I wouldn't be on irc Jun 22 22:28:27 hmm. Jun 22 22:28:37 you have been before, no? Jun 22 22:28:50 mru is surely real. i even met his carbon based avatar Jun 22 22:28:56 ds2: same goes with cmake and ad-hoc makefiles, everything is broken to different extent :) Jun 22 22:29:10 ssvb: precisely Jun 22 22:29:11 most automake packages just work Jun 22 22:29:23 the few that break do so in very predictable ways Jun 22 22:29:25 easy to fix Jun 22 22:29:50 djlewis: I have been to bars, yes Jun 22 22:30:00 i gotta head home to let the pups out...later and have a great weekend guys Jun 22 22:30:02 but it's too crowded on friday nights Jun 22 22:30:18 i too like a bit of space Jun 22 22:31:40 mru: so what is the poison tonight? Jun 22 22:31:48 everclear, 1000ml. Jun 22 22:31:50 ;) Jun 22 22:32:08 mranostay: black sheep Jun 22 22:33:41 ds2: why not just drink antifreeze? :) Jun 22 22:33:42 4:2 next is england Jun 22 22:33:55 good nite Jun 22 22:34:29 mranostay: that is a little gentler on the liver. less formeldhyde Jun 22 22:37:19 mru: so now, where is your intelligent answer for Sh0rtWave? Jun 22 22:37:42 depends on what he's really trying to accomplish Jun 22 22:41:29 maybe he should start with assembler, advance to cross-compiling and then go native because the processors got fast enough ;) Jun 22 22:44:43 Yeah, that'll be useful Jun 22 22:44:49 sounds like a plan to me Jun 22 22:46:43 I'll just continue my buildroot adventure I suppose Jun 22 22:46:50 It's just getting tiring Jun 22 22:52:46 ask mru for refreshing comments Jun 22 23:03:14 <_av500_> y u all hate? Jun 22 23:09:28 sorry, but telling people to setup a cross-compilation foo just for compiling some source with some dozens or hundreds lines is stupid, especially if they even have problems compiling something native Jun 22 23:09:44 anyone know if there are any NUMA systems different arch's of processors? Jun 22 23:10:01 cross compile is trivial to setup Jun 22 23:10:06 untar and go. Jun 22 23:12:09 ds2: does a pc+gpu count? Jun 22 23:12:35 mru: only if the GPU is also running Linux Jun 22 23:13:42 mru: trying to see if anyone has a setup where they can run different binaries on different CPUs all controlled under a unified interface Jun 22 23:13:43 ds2: unless there are many library dependencies for the thing you want to crosscompile (xlib, gtk+, dbus, ...) Jun 22 23:14:36 ds2: well, not a big deal, but good luck trying to explain how to setup everything to a total noob Jun 22 23:14:55 ssvb: actually, that can be all setup and ready to go. Jun 22 23:15:07 there are vendors who will sell you tools that will do that Jun 22 23:15:22 either you pay in time to learn or pay in cash and have it working now. Jun 22 23:17:01 ds2: well, NUMA is SMP Jun 22 23:17:07 ds2: and SMP is single arch Jun 22 23:17:18 well, NUMA is SMP is bit of simplification Jun 22 23:17:31 but it comes from it in pretty much straight line Jun 22 23:17:38 jacekowski: yes and I am looking for examples of that Jun 22 23:18:48 ds2: sorry, I don't feel like promoting these vendors when people are asking for help with crosscompilation Jun 22 23:19:06 ssvb: you could become one... Jun 22 23:19:12 lol Jun 22 23:19:20 ssvb: not saying you should. you were complaining about trying to explain. Jun 22 23:19:37 for folks who don't want to learn, going that path might be best Jun 22 23:19:41 less irritation all around Jun 22 23:21:17 jacekowski: numa is a class of memory architectures, it says nothing about the processors you attach to it Jun 22 23:25:30 ds2: maybe some cluster-sw is what you are searching Jun 22 23:27:41 e.g. some stuff which uses mpi Jun 22 23:28:06 aholler: I think most of that uses uniform archs. Jun 22 23:28:15 at least the instances I looked at a long time ago Jun 22 23:28:36 mpi works fine on mixed-arch clusters Jun 22 23:29:02 what's an example hw of such a cluster? Jun 22 23:29:25 mpi I know about runs on the big stuff like what SDSC or NCSA has Jun 22 23:29:33 a cluster is just a bunch of machines connected to a network, right? Jun 22 23:29:39 hmm, don't know, but using e.g. corba works with different archs too Jun 22 23:29:51 mpi is just a programming interface Jun 22 23:30:00 it doesn't care what the interconnect is Jun 22 23:30:17 aholler: corba works? Jun 22 23:30:43 yes Jun 22 23:30:54 and does it still exist? Jun 22 23:31:11 when I last looked, about 10 years ago, it sure as hell didn't work Jun 22 23:31:20 and I've barely heard it mentioned since Jun 22 23:31:39 maybe be the same at that time a today when people look at cross-compiling Jun 22 23:32:04 seriously, what's your problem with cross-compiling? Jun 22 23:32:11 none Jun 22 23:32:22 to a sane mind, native compilation is the special case Jun 22 23:32:44 compiling software is a pure one-way process Jun 22 23:33:10 a compiler is just a complicated transformation of data from one format to another Jun 22 23:34:01 the output is not read as instructions by the machine executing the compiler Jun 22 23:34:08 just giving people which don't know how to compile native the advice to setup a cross-compilation suite for their 100+-source project which might depend on several libs is stupid Jun 22 23:34:15 so what difference does it make what architecture the machine code is for? Jun 22 23:35:00 people who can't run a single command to install a cross-compiler have no business being here Jun 22 23:35:06 the sooner they learn that, the better Jun 22 23:35:23 good point...was thinking of the more tightly coupled stuff Jun 22 23:35:36 ds2: never heard of anything like that Jun 22 23:35:39 yeah, all that sw which does native tests before going on to compile just just thrown away Jun 22 23:35:57 s/just just/should hust/ Jun 22 23:36:03 you grossly overestimate the amount of such software Jun 22 23:36:10 and it takes less than 5 minutes to fix Jun 22 23:36:13 mru: the 'supercomputers' used MPI... tightly couple groups of things ranging from i860's to pentiums Jun 22 23:36:20 no, you live in a small world Jun 22 23:36:41 just have a look at how much packages a decent distribution offers Jun 22 23:36:56 and OE cross-compiles every single one of them Jun 22 23:37:08 friday is over here Jun 22 23:37:29 besides, if someone is trying to effectively build his own distribution, he'd better know what he's doing anyway Jun 22 23:37:53 yeah and he learn that with cross-compiling instead of starting to compile native Jun 22 23:38:04 upsidedown Jun 22 23:38:07 anything small enough to be easily compiled natively on a beagle can be trivially cross-compiled too Jun 22 23:38:33 not if it uses some libs which are making the first steps easy Jun 22 23:38:36 say, a jvm? ;) Jun 22 23:39:09 yes we send them to java, runs everywhere whithout errors ;) Jun 22 23:41:45 mru: yes, but numa in big part is evolution of smp Jun 22 23:45:59 as in, what is it supposed to help with Jun 22 23:49:50 that's a strange way of describing it Jun 22 23:50:58 * mranostay steals a beer from mru's fridge Jun 22 23:51:20 but then again, jacekowski thinks he can send 4Gbps over a 1Gbps link Jun 22 23:53:51 mru: it was only 2 :P Jun 22 23:54:27 inflation is high on fridays Jun 22 23:56:07 mru: maybe it has something to do with the med Jun 23 00:01:59 ds2: do not mix with alcohol Jun 23 00:24:59 mru: if you want to get an idea about how many packages might be needed for a simple programm which uses xorg, you might have a look at http://pleaseinstall.de/deptreexorg.png ;) Jun 23 00:33:31 Hrm, so Jun 23 00:33:51 I'm messing about with the rootfs and what-not from bob galemin's blog while I'm building buildroot for n-th time Jun 23 00:34:08 trying to use Gstreamer to get a capture off of the mt9p031 board (yavta works) Jun 23 00:34:18 I get "inappropriate ioctl for device" Jun 23 00:34:23 What causes that? Jun 23 00:46:54 Hey I just bought one of these things, I want to use video4linux2 to capture from the camera port using the leopard MT9P031 but have no video nodes Jun 23 00:47:35 Where can I get the kernel source and filesystem or a sd card image for the kernel that has support for this sensor? Jun 23 00:47:46 Yeah Jun 23 00:47:50 your nick is accurate Jun 23 00:47:53 it's that much of a headache Jun 23 00:48:00 I'm struggling with the same problem Jun 23 00:48:58 Hold on a second and I'll give you a hand Jun 23 00:49:04 cool Jun 23 00:49:15 Right so Jun 23 00:49:16 http://blog.galemin.com/2012/03/buildroot-2012-02-for-beagleboard-xm-with-li-5m03-mt9p031-camera-support/ Jun 23 00:49:17 Go there Jun 23 00:49:26 There's some pre-compiled images there. Jun 23 00:49:38 I would suggest you get a new SD card and keep the SD card that came with your board as an emergency backup Jun 23 00:49:51 Get the rootfs_full.tar.gz Jun 23 00:49:53 Nab that Jun 23 00:50:05 you need all the rest of that stuff too, for your SD card. Jun 23 00:50:16 Deal with that first, get your board booting Jun 23 00:50:28 Note that that particular build has a bug in the serial setup Jun 23 00:50:57 so when you're booting it off of that build, your best bet is to monitor it through serial, and see what IP address lease it gets, then ssh to that IP address Jun 23 00:51:18 Once you get there, come back and I'll give you a hand from there. All i can tell you is what I know, but this should save you a few days of beating yourself in the head. Jun 23 00:52:59 Cool that was exactly what I was looking for, thanks a lot, I'll come back later after I take a look at this stuff Jun 23 00:53:07 Thanks! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 23 02:59:58 2012