**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:58 2012 Jul 04 04:02:47 student loans what are those? :) Jul 04 04:05:19 the university's way of milking more money out of people, 3/4ths or more of whom haveno place in higher education to start with Jul 04 04:14:12 <_av500_> thurbad: arago is TI's angstrom Jul 04 04:14:31 is it worth looking at? Jul 04 04:14:31 <_av500_> its all the same OE inside Jul 04 04:17:08 or would my time be better spent just sticking with angstrom Jul 04 04:18:27 I realize that may be subjective ... Jul 04 04:20:28 here's a more straightforward question, if they're built on the same OE guts are they binary compatible with each other? Jul 04 04:31:38 binary compatibility is a matter of matching up libraries Jul 04 04:32:25 MACHINE=beagleboard, is this for omap3530 or omap3730(BeagleXM)? Jul 04 04:32:42 either Jul 04 04:32:48 the kernel is currently universal Jul 04 04:33:13 ds2: so the kernel can figure out(probe) which chip it is running on? Jul 04 04:33:20 cool Jul 04 04:33:23 no need to probe Jul 04 04:33:24 it just works Jul 04 04:33:30 I freely move btwn them Jul 04 04:33:52 is 3530/3730 pin-compatible? Jul 04 04:34:06 depends on your definition Jul 04 04:34:06 i always used it on 3730, until i got a 3530 board today Jul 04 04:34:08 :D Jul 04 04:38:45 ds2: this might be a newbie question, if i need add a bb to rootfs, how can I make sure its dependencies are pulled in? Jul 04 04:38:58 i need add wl1271 to beagle3530 Jul 04 04:39:06 OE figures it out Jul 04 04:39:13 unless your recipes are broq Jul 04 04:39:59 you mean, for any existing "good" recipe, i can add it to image.bb and it will work Jul 04 04:40:15 yes Jul 04 04:40:18 i.e. i don't need care about how that dependency topology at all, the bb will take care of that Jul 04 04:40:23 great Jul 04 04:40:29 that's the point of it Jul 04 04:40:40 it can get dangerous though ... rapid sudden image bloat Jul 04 04:43:22 there are gpio pins to tell the difference between xm and classic Jul 04 04:43:38 <_av500_> xxiao: almost pin compat Jul 04 04:43:42 <_av500_> not 100% Jul 04 04:43:45 thurbad: that's how kernel treats 3530/3730 differently? Jul 04 04:44:16 _av500_: depends on the features and speed Jul 04 04:44:18 i'm trying to get wl1271 wifi/BT up on 3530 Jul 04 04:44:20 yeah based on the value of a few pins it can tell the difference Jul 04 04:44:46 there are the tiwlan 0.24.9 driver, i assume it's a legacy Ti driver, and compat-wirelss, and openlink Jul 04 04:45:04 thurbad: that's what i thought, thanks. Jul 04 04:45:31 openlink is the future, which means it's not production-ready, i will pass Jul 04 04:45:47 use the missinglink Jul 04 04:45:57 not sure about tiwlan and compat-wirelss, but i would expect compat-wireless works fine on the SDIO/wl1271 Jul 04 04:46:17 hi pfefferz Jul 04 04:46:33 hi xxiao Jul 04 04:46:37 hows the project going? Jul 04 04:46:59 working my pants off Jul 04 04:47:07 <_av500_> pfefferz: !!! Jul 04 04:47:45 xxiao, cool Jul 04 04:48:02 xxiao, sounds like the right amount of awesome Jul 04 04:48:05 hey _av500_ Jul 04 04:48:12 now trying to get this lovely ti wifi/bluetooth going on omap3530 Jul 04 04:48:25 xxiao: native chip or module? Jul 04 04:48:38 ds2: tiwi-rs2 module from LSI Jul 04 04:48:45 tiwi-r2 Jul 04 04:48:54 it's a 1271/sdio module Jul 04 04:49:05 oh...that same old thing Jul 04 04:49:23 ds2: i hope that means it worked reliably long time ago :) Jul 04 04:49:44 ds2: i started to look into it today, used to work with atheros stuff a lot Jul 04 04:49:52 ran screaming away from that module :D Jul 04 04:50:38 ? Jul 04 04:50:46 u-boot tells the kernel which board it is. Jul 04 04:51:18 * tasslehoff has decided to lag 15 minutes behind other people in the channel today, always discussion what they are done with Jul 04 04:51:26 looking at better options Jul 04 04:51:51 unfortunately someone made the decision went with wl1271/tiwi-r2 Jul 04 04:52:12 maybe you can get better data Jul 04 04:52:21 the hw docs for that was incomplete Jul 04 04:52:47 it has been productized a couple of times and seems to work OK enough in the products Jul 04 04:53:08 dm8tbr: if you are copying their exact design... Jul 04 04:53:21 e.g. the N950 uses the wl1271, the N9 the wl1273, also the Archos tablets gen8 and gen9 Jul 04 04:53:32 ds2: yes, your design needs to be similar Jul 04 04:53:49 no no... not bagging on the chip... Jul 04 04:53:53 I am complaining about the module Jul 04 04:53:54 well since LSI is alive i would assume its module is fine Jul 04 04:54:21 ah, no idea about the module Jul 04 04:54:26 anyway i need add the related wl1271 recipes to rootfs and give it a shot Jul 04 04:54:57 anyone knows the driver difference, the tiwlan 0.24.9 , what is it? legacy driver from TI? Jul 04 04:55:21 * xxiao realizes most of the time legacy wifi drivers works better than the shiny compat-wirelss Jul 04 05:32:12 xxiao: the in-kernel one works best IMNSHO Jul 04 05:32:30 xxiao: no need for any extra recipes (besides the linux-firmware one) Jul 04 07:07:16 i want to develop spi driver in beaglebone for user space so that i need install "spidev" how to install Jul 04 07:34:48 Tamilarasi: activate spidev in kernel and specify spi_board_info as .modalias = "spidev", Jul 04 09:16:24 koen: I've forgotten to add you to cc in the "open your eyes" patch. maybe you might consider it for the beagle*-kernels ;) Jul 04 09:21:05 koen: so people emulates the can cape with eeproms? nice to know ;) Jul 04 10:32:56 ah, today is the day ET lands in the US. ;) Jul 04 10:37:02 or the day they send him back ;) Jul 04 12:17:10 does the SD card in bb-xm have bootloader in the first sector? Jul 04 12:19:09 no, it has not Jul 04 12:50:45 koen: ping Jul 04 12:54:19 aleek: no, it has boot loader in FAT32 partition Jul 04 13:23:20 true, MLO file Jul 04 13:24:01 merhabalar. benim ciddi bir sorunum var. beagleboard-xm expansion header üzerindeki 5V ile 1.8V veren 1 ve 2 nolu bacakları kısa devre yaptırdım ve şu an beagleboard tps65950 çok ısınmaya başladı ve 1.8V olan bacak 0.5V civarında. Acaba hangi entegre zarar görmüş olabilir düzeltme imkanı var mı? Jul 04 13:25:20 bbs: channel language is english, please Jul 04 13:26:32 Does anyone know if there are any Ubuntu ports that actually run faster than Angstrom on BeagleBone? Or is currently Angstrom the fastest one? Jul 04 13:27:48 SmashLink: in nearly no case the distribution itself is the bottleneck, but the selected components, and mostly: the sd card. Jul 04 13:30:58 Thanks LetoThe2nd, but I've read many articles about how Ubuntu runs much slower than Angstrom... I didn't try it yet, but it doesn't surprise me, since Angstrom is prepared for this type of hardware and Ubuntu comes with many unnecesary packages and, more important, a GUI Jul 04 13:31:31 But I thought maybe there was a minimal Ubuntu port without GUI and prepared for BeagleBone Jul 04 13:32:19 SmashLink: like i said: mostly package selection. a small ubuntu set *can* also be comparable in performance, of course depending on workload# Jul 04 13:33:07 Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I'm looking for this at the moment. Jul 04 13:33:16 SmashLink: maybe use this http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu as starting points Jul 04 13:34:09 but you said about the components... I guess you're talking about the software and not the hardware, right? Jul 04 13:34:26 sure. there's only one beaglebone (so far) Jul 04 13:34:37 I didn't think about the SD card, that was interesting... I'll see if I can find a solution for this Jul 04 13:34:56 Yeah I know, that's why I was confused. Thanks Jul 04 13:35:09 SmashLink: the sd card is by far the most important component. Jul 04 13:35:26 You think there could be a way of using a hard drive with the beaglebone? Jul 04 13:35:55 if i'm saying nonsense, excuse me Jul 04 13:36:31 maybe another type of memory, a faster one Jul 04 13:37:08 you can of course use a hard disk, for everything besides booting. Jul 04 13:37:35 but a decent class 10 sd card and small distribution set will do a lot already. Jul 04 13:38:30 sooner or later you'll hit the limits of the cpu/ram anyways. Jul 04 13:38:35 I guess usind a hard disk would improve the performance... and why not booting from it? isn't it possible to set a "cape" for this? Jul 04 13:38:43 hm Jul 04 13:39:30 SmashLink: i'm not totally familiar with the startup code of the am3xxx, but at least for the pandaboard for example booting off usb hard disk is impossible. and i guess they are quite comparable. Jul 04 13:39:55 I'm sorry, I know nothing about SD cards performance, I'll search for the optimal one. Thanks, that was very helpful Jul 04 13:40:18 SmashLink: doesn't really matter anyways if your rfs is on the hard disk, because then only uboot and kernel reside on the sd card, and both don't get accessed during runtime. Jul 04 13:40:39 Hm, I guess I could ask for this to the technical support, maybe there's a way. Anyway, you're right, the ram memory is limited Jul 04 13:43:22 like i said, the usual approach is to boot loader and kernel from sd card and have the rfs on hard disk (at least for the pandaboard), the you'll be pretty near the reachable maximum Jul 04 13:44:02 oh, that sounds good :D i guess usind a hard drive will be easy Jul 04 13:44:35 depends, but i think there should be at least bits and pieces of helpful information around. Jul 04 13:44:58 after all, its just stuffing everything onto the disk and then pass the correct root parameters. Jul 04 13:47:49 i'm writing this down... this 5 min. of conversation were more helpful than some hours of looking for angstrom information before XD Jul 04 13:47:50 thanks a lot Jul 04 13:48:01 have fun. Jul 04 13:48:39 SmashLink: i think you can use this as inspiration: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_on_OMAP_FAQ#I_want_to_install_Ubuntu_on_external_USB_hard_disk_instead_of_sluggish_SD_card Jul 04 13:48:40 fun... Jul 04 13:48:50 av500: fün, enven. Jul 04 14:16:42 One question: why did you say the kernel is not working during runtime? Jul 04 14:18:14 SmashLink: if the boot-loader is in NAND (possible with the classic beagleboard) no sd-card is needed and you can load the kernel directly from usb Jul 04 14:18:37 SmashLink: that is not what i said. Jul 04 14:19:21 SmashLink: i merely said that the stored representation of the kernel, e.g. on the sd card does not get accessed during runtime. Jul 04 14:52:49 I cannot find how to externalize the file system to a hard drive... any ideas? Jul 04 14:53:44 kernel-cmd: root=/dev/sdaN rootwait Jul 04 14:53:57 15:48 < LetoThe2nd> SmashLink: i think you can use this as inspiration: Jul 04 14:53:58 http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_on_OMAP_FAQ#I_want_to_install_Ubuntu_on_external_USB_hard_disk_instead_of_sluggish_SD_card Jul 04 14:55:37 oh yeah i didn't check that reading yet Jul 04 14:55:40 sorry Jul 04 14:56:51 oh it's perfect :'D thanks Jul 04 14:59:48 why more gst-plugin is not avaiable? like gst-plugin-faac Jul 04 15:00:02 in agstrom feed. Jul 04 15:02:23 agmlego: what did you need? Jul 04 15:19:51 jkridner_: Nothing. YOur name came up in a discussion. Jul 04 15:20:13 jkridner_: I was commenting that you have been doing demos of Beagle stuff at i3detroit recently. Jul 04 15:28:13 oh, right. Jul 04 15:28:38 I need to push harder on the i3 BeagleBone-bot. Jul 04 15:28:50 Really want to see us make one for sale. Jul 04 15:28:58 (and for clone) Jul 04 16:06:19 jkridner_: That would be cool. Jul 04 18:34:15 woah loads of people in here Jul 04 18:37:31 geobeo yes Jul 04 18:49:30 lots of people, not a lot of talkers though :P Jul 04 18:52:35 only stalkers here... Jul 04 18:53:23 and trolls Jul 04 19:11:59 US holiday today so that is why Jul 04 20:10:04 window size 6 Jul 04 20:50:40 Hi Jul 04 20:51:17 av500 Some days ago you tried to help me, booting the beagleboard srm rev c4 Jul 04 20:52:05 but following the link Jul 04 20:52:07 http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext#The_setup Jul 04 20:52:35 and did wget http://beagleboard-validation.s3.amazonaws.com/deploy/201008201549/sd/beagleboard-demo-201008201549-configured.img.gzzcat beagleboard-demo-201008201549-configured.img.gz | dd of=/dev/your/sd/card bs=8225280 Jul 04 20:52:43 zcat beagleboard-demo-201008201549-configured.img.gz | dd of=/dev/your/sd/card bs=8225280 Jul 04 20:52:52 I insert the card Jul 04 20:52:54 power up Jul 04 20:53:20 freeze at booting the kernell Jul 04 20:53:51 the log Jul 04 20:53:52 http://pastebin.com/WRrr4dqz Jul 04 20:53:57 can anyone help me with that?! Jul 04 20:56:41 does the led blink? Jul 04 20:59:55 two leds are on Jul 04 21:00:00 no blinking Jul 04 21:00:32 I formated the card to fat32 Jul 04 21:00:39 and execute the commands above Jul 04 21:00:47 insert the card Jul 04 21:00:51 and turn on the beagleboard Jul 04 21:02:01 whatever that image is, it is very old. Jul 04 21:02:14 can you point me to a new one? Jul 04 21:02:20 I already tried a lot of guides Jul 04 21:02:34 but they always start mix diferent versions etc :s Jul 04 21:03:17 sorry, I don't know the urls Jul 04 21:03:58 I already try it http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Jul 04 21:04:10 using the mkcard.txt to format the card Jul 04 21:04:21 and copy the files to each partition Jul 04 21:04:32 I getting it work only one time Jul 04 21:04:38 but the guide tell me to do something Jul 04 21:04:47 and after that I can't get it working again Jul 04 21:04:57 I don't know if I'm doing something wrong Jul 04 21:05:19 per example in the link I pasted what files would you donwload?! Jul 04 21:05:56 when you boot angstrom the first time, you have to wait serveral minutes or even hours until it has everything initialized Jul 04 21:05:57 there are MLO; MLO-beagleboard; MLO-beagleboard-2011.12 Jul 04 21:06:58 but not in this "booting the kernel" step Jul 04 21:07:18 I just want to know what should I put inside the the card :s Jul 04 21:08:04 I would not download files with size 0 Jul 04 21:08:36 so get the one with 44k and rename it to MLO Jul 04 21:10:04 the files with 0 are symlinks, the web-foo which display the stuff seems to be broken Jul 04 21:11:03 you need MLO, uImage and u-boot.img and the card Jul 04 21:11:11 in the first partition Jul 04 21:11:26 s/and the card/on the card/ Jul 04 21:12:48 here per example here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Writing_the_.C3.85ngstr.C3.B6m_image_into_the_SDcard_and_finally_booting_GNU.2FLinux Jul 04 21:12:58 they talk about u-boot.bin Jul 04 21:13:07 but in the site it is u-boot.img Jul 04 21:13:11 that has changed to u-boot.img Jul 04 21:13:16 ah ok Jul 04 21:13:17 thanks Jul 04 21:13:28 older MLO's loading u-boot.bin, newer u-boot.img Jul 04 21:14:15 right now I have my card formatted Jul 04 21:14:22 I'll run the mkcard.txt Jul 04 21:16:12 sudo ./mkcard.txt /dev/mmcblk0 Jul 04 21:16:29 If I copy the log can you take a look at it? Jul 04 21:18:17 would be great if you can take a look at it http://pastebin.com/HFRGwcGU Jul 04 21:18:36 I know that is boring what I'm asking you :s Jul 04 21:21:53 just go on Jul 04 21:32:26 ok Jul 04 21:32:51 now i'm going to do this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Writing_the_.C3.85ngstr.C3.B6m_image_into_the_SDcard_and_finally_booting_GNU.2FLinux Jul 04 21:33:59 isn't it? Jul 04 21:34:33 mnt / sda1 and / mnt / sda2 is the same as / media / boot and media / Angstrom Jul 04 21:34:36 isn't it? Jul 04 21:35:01 (need to add some spaces because irc client tought it was a command lol) Jul 04 21:38:36 aholler is just to do the right thing Jul 04 21:41:05 extrating the image in the sd card Jul 04 21:44:58 when do sudo umount /media/Angstrom/ Jul 04 21:45:10 umount: /media/Angstrom: device is busy. (In some cases useful info about processes that use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1)) Jul 04 21:52:09 aholler http://pastebin.com/ajzGDhtf the error Jul 04 22:00:55 cd Jul 04 22:05:01 metRo_: do you have uImage on the fat? Jul 04 22:05:44 in the boot Jul 04 22:06:09 http://pastebin.com/ajzGDhtf Jul 04 22:08:45 help fatls Jul 04 22:10:41 sorry, but I don't ant to debug all the broken and unmaintained images and turials which are out in the wild. Maybe you should try ubuntu or fedora. I don't know if they offer working instructions to install something Jul 04 22:10:50 s/ant/want/ Jul 04 22:11:11 s/turials/tutorials/ Jul 04 22:12:29 metRo_: you have unmount sd-card correctly, did you? Jul 04 22:12:46 maybe your fat is broken. try cd before unmounting it Jul 04 22:13:11 and maybe read some linux book to learn at least the basics Jul 04 22:16:00 a friend of mine help me with that Jul 04 22:16:11 the problem is the env variables Jul 04 22:16:24 is not mmc init but mmc rescan 0 Jul 04 22:16:52 and where did mmc init come from? Jul 04 22:17:53 do you have copied some broken uEnv.txt to the sd-card? Jul 04 22:18:27 if so, just delete it Jul 04 22:18:44 and request a README in that angstorm-directory ;) Jul 04 22:21:00 aholler: the fun thing is: this has nothing to do with linux itself but partitioning and initiating the first stage bootloader :P Jul 04 22:21:13 I always struggle with that :( Jul 04 22:21:27 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Setting_up_the_boot_args Jul 04 22:22:11 it works: setenv bootcmd 'mmc rescan 0;fatload mmc 0 80300000 uImage.bin;bootm 80300000' Jul 04 22:22:22 metRo_: forget that Jul 04 22:22:55 but i need to enter that line to make it work Jul 04 22:23:19 what do you have on your fat? Jul 04 22:23:42 if you have just u-boot.img, MLO and uImage it should just work Jul 04 22:27:37 ah, now I know what you've done, you saved a broken environment Jul 04 22:27:45 help env Jul 04 22:28:15 ther sould be an option to load the default env Jul 04 22:28:31 afterwards use saveenv to overwrite your broken stuff Jul 04 22:28:58 or clear the nand to get rid of your broken saven environment Jul 04 22:29:02 Angstrom Jul 04 22:29:23 but it is working now Jul 04 22:29:27 should I care? Jul 04 22:29:31 another thing Jul 04 22:29:44 is suppose to open gnome? Jul 04 22:29:49 the latest Angstrom image? Jul 04 22:29:55 yup Jul 04 22:29:58 you should read hte u-bot documentation to know what you've done Jul 04 22:30:02 afiak :P Jul 04 22:30:06 *afaik Jul 04 22:30:16 *afair Jul 04 22:30:18 how can I open a shell and cancel the gnome Jul 04 22:30:28 aholler anyway thanks for all :) Jul 04 22:30:43 i just want to use the shell Jul 04 22:31:11 just change the shell with strg alt and F2 or F3 Jul 04 22:36:47 how can i do that using the serial port? Jul 04 22:48:46 is there a TI psp guy here Jul 04 22:49:17 psp 3.0.1.6 for kernel, one is under dvsdk, one is standalone, the code is different? Jul 04 22:49:39 the standlone psp release(with the same revision) added 3660 support, Jul 04 22:49:50 why not use a different tag/revision? Jul 04 22:49:58 that almost killed me Jul 04 22:50:23 question: is it possible to VNC into a BeagleBone that has no display, for example by running on the beaglebone "x11vnc -create"? I have tried but keep running into errors, and the forums online discuss the issue but don't have any answers I could find. TIA Jul 04 22:50:49 Alec_: i think BBone has always been able to vnc Jul 04 22:51:01 at least i did it when BBone was out Jul 04 22:51:08 hmm Jul 04 22:51:34 I get errors along the lines of this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/X99FP-E3yeE Jul 04 22:52:38 short version: when I run "x11vnc -create" it runs happily until I connect, then I get: The program "Xvfb" could not be found in PATH and standard locations. Jul 04 22:52:55 and there doesn't seem to be a way to install Xvfb Jul 04 22:53:32 in the thread, one person suggests installing angstrom-x11-base-depends, but that is also not available Jul 04 22:53:45 FYI I'm using Angstrom Jul 04 22:54:05 did you use Angstrom or another distro? Jul 04 23:22:24 I've advanced slightly further by installing Xvfb from a manually-entered web address along the lines of this thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/rNGnY9KYNQE Jul 04 23:22:41 however, as described in the thread, there's something wrong with x11vnc and it doesn't accept keyboard input or mouse clicks Jul 04 23:56:07 Aha! Solved it. Just had to rebuild x11vnc correctly. Jul 05 00:12:15 on my beaglebone i wanna stop agetty to start ... theres no inittab where do i configure that Jul 05 00:18:09 hello Jul 05 00:18:21 how do I back up the SD card Jul 05 00:18:50 I will log out and back in Jul 05 00:19:47 back, Jul 05 00:20:01 so anyone know how can I create an image to back up the SD card? Jul 05 00:20:11 Andre2012: dd if=/dev/sdcard... of=$HOME/backup Jul 05 00:20:21 thank you :) Jul 05 00:20:42 but that would back up both partitions? Jul 05 00:20:47 yeah Jul 05 00:20:49 and it would great a *.img? Jul 05 00:20:59 yeah Jul 05 00:21:09 cool, :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:58 2012