**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 01 02:59:59 2012 Aug 01 03:00:02 opens up a huge world of peripherals, of course Aug 01 03:00:30 somebody else's design..let me grab the link Aug 01 03:01:26 http://www.6502.org/users/andre/hwinfo/spi/spi65b/index.html Aug 01 03:02:03 prpplague: the other useful benefit of the WDC parts versus grabbing old pulls is they run at 3.3V Aug 01 03:02:19 which is great for my application Aug 01 03:02:46 mdp: ahh dandy Aug 01 03:02:50 you did mention that retro-computing is like some people's alcohol/crack, right? ;) Aug 01 03:03:00 bed..bbt Aug 01 03:03:13 * kkeller pulls out his Apple ][ diskettes for mdp Aug 01 03:03:50 kkeller: yeah, me too :) Just looking at those links makes me want to buy some chips and start hacking :) Aug 01 03:03:57 Contiki runs on 6502 Aug 01 03:04:18 * prpplague tries to stop trolling ebay for old parts Aug 01 03:04:20 kkeller, stop that! I was looking at some Disk II monitor code the other day, wondering if I could drive that and read some old disks from the bone with this coprocessor...more useless things I consider doing Aug 01 03:04:29 * mdp really goes Aug 01 04:06:15 he he he he MUSB and DMA he he he he he Aug 01 04:19:30 Do Li-Po batteries/chargers output any information to the beagle, or is a controller required for that? Aug 01 04:20:00 I think I'm going to get a Li-Po charger and a few cells; it'll be chargable via usb or solar. Aug 01 04:20:13 but I have no idea how the beagle will know % of battery left Aug 01 04:41:34 * mranostay checks in Aug 01 05:11:07 ka6sox: portculis? Aug 01 05:11:48 mranostay, finding a bot name Aug 01 05:20:36 Has anyone here used a lithium battery (not the AA formfactor) setup to power beagles? Aug 01 05:32:06 Hello :) Aug 01 07:47:06 <_av500_> prpplague: ping Aug 01 08:56:02 damned...every rebuild is a hell... Aug 01 08:56:29 build angstrom...run on bb...all its ok...now i reboot but i can't log in...i get Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session Aug 01 09:02:17 anybody have some workaround? Aug 01 09:08:25 need more info, are you shutting down cleanly? Aug 01 09:09:51 thurbad: the last command was reboot Aug 01 09:10:17 thurbad: and the board reboot correct, now i can't login and i don't know if there another way to login Aug 01 09:10:32 can you log in as root? Aug 01 09:10:37 thurbad: no Aug 01 09:10:46 thurbad: its says Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session Aug 01 09:11:04 is this from the terminal? Aug 01 09:11:08 thurbad: yes Aug 01 09:12:31 can you fsck the rootfs on another system? Aug 01 09:13:05 can i try the sd card on ubuntu Aug 01 09:17:13 thurbad: its clean Aug 01 09:17:38 hmmm, did you install anything after rebuilding? Aug 01 09:17:45 nothing Aug 01 09:17:55 thurbad: i only run a qtdemo example Aug 01 09:18:02 and reboot Aug 01 09:20:41 do you have any other users on the system? Aug 01 09:20:58 thurbad: nothing is a normal angstrom i think there's only root Aug 01 09:25:23 which kernel? Aug 01 09:27:54 3.2.18 Aug 01 09:28:38 have you tried any older kernels? Aug 01 09:29:37 thurbad: no...but the last build of oe ...i think one month ago is ok... with 3.2.18... Aug 01 09:29:55 before i recreate the sd is there something that i have to look? Aug 01 09:30:00 pam module? Aug 01 09:32:02 does it have network connectivity? Aug 01 09:32:56 thurbad: yes but i can't know the ip of the board Aug 01 09:35:34 you didn't do anything like opkg upgrade, did you? Aug 01 09:37:54 thurbad: no nothing Aug 01 09:57:40 ok Aug 01 09:57:45 there's a bug Aug 01 09:57:47 -.- Aug 01 09:58:36 thurbad: i recreate the sd... start first boot...login is ok...reboot...and login get me the error cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session Aug 01 10:02:41 trololol http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1700 Aug 01 10:03:29 mru: applause, applause Aug 01 10:03:46 i think the problem is pam Aug 01 12:27:25 koen: i see you build yesterday the image for beaglebone, have you build demo image for beagleboard? Aug 01 12:53:31 Hi any one help me please .I have interfaces GPS Bluetooth reciever to Beagleboard and iam getting NMEA data successfully (GGA,GRMC),getting valid data i want to map on maps like open street or google maps Aug 01 12:55:04 i have successfully installed "gpsd" maps are showing but excat point (marker/pointer) not showing on the OSM maps Aug 01 12:59:48 please anyone response me Aug 01 13:00:17 What are you using to view the maps? Aug 01 13:00:25 you realize it's not linked to beagle board at all, but to the only thing you're not talking about ie the software you're using ? Aug 01 13:00:56 gpsd is just a daemon that provides GPS data to interested bits of software--if your OSM viewer does not ask gpsd for data, it will not get it. Aug 01 13:01:25 yeah i agree with u Aug 01 13:01:55 iam using Tangogps package Aug 01 13:04:35 Well, since I cannot access the TangoGPS page at http://www.tangogps.org (all I get is a loading bar for a bit, then nothing), I think you ought to link to the place you got the software. Aug 01 13:04:42 agmlego : iam using Foxtrotgps software Aug 01 13:05:15 Foxtrotgps != Tangogps. Aug 01 13:05:19 Which are you using? Aug 01 13:05:29 tangogps Aug 01 13:05:43 So why did you say you were using FoxtrotGPS? Aug 01 13:06:23 foxtrotgps is upgraded than tangogps Aug 01 13:06:28 Hey, quick question - will the beaglebone decode MPEG2? Aug 01 13:06:33 they look almost same Aug 01 13:06:49 Also, what types of queries have you mad on Google to find help with this issue? Have you tried the IRC channel for the software you are using? How about the gpsd IRC channel or mailing list? Aug 01 13:07:08 rfc: But they are not the same. FoxtrotGFPS is a fork of TangoGPS, so it matters which you are using. Aug 01 13:07:19 George_H: If you have an MPEG2 decoder, yes. Aug 01 13:07:49 George_H: I believe there exists one in the gstreamer plugins, or maybe in ffmpeg. Aug 01 13:08:10 George_H: to be more specific, the cpu is perfectly capable of decoding standard definition mpeg2 (DVD) in realtime Aug 01 13:08:14 imostly iam using tangogps Aug 01 13:09:01 Iam doing this in Angstrom OS Aug 01 13:09:01 awesome, thanks guys! Aug 01 13:09:50 rfc: Then I suggest you look at the TangoGPS FAQ, and maybe ask in the TangoGPS IRC channel or mailing list. THis is not really the place for the question, because it does not really seem to be an issue of the BeagleBoard itself. Aug 01 13:11:05 ok Aug 01 13:24:44 koen: did the EEPROM discussion go on at all without me? Aug 01 13:25:04 I seem to be having some calendar problem. Aug 01 13:25:39 jkridner_work: it was set at 9am my time Aug 01 13:25:48 I guess you ment 9am your time Aug 01 13:25:48 hmmm.... no joelagnel. :( Aug 01 13:25:51 "floating tz" Aug 01 13:25:51 9am *your* time?!? Aug 01 13:26:05 oh. :( Aug 01 13:26:18 should I schedule it again for tomorrow? Aug 01 13:26:32 we can have the discussion right here Aug 01 13:26:43 it's all minor stuff Aug 01 13:26:53 1) agree on where to put the extra pins in the struct Aug 01 13:26:57 2) make that a2 Aug 01 13:27:03 3) automux in kernel for a2 Aug 01 13:27:09 (3) being for non-dt kernels) Aug 01 13:27:15 oh Aug 01 13:27:22 4) update bonescript Aug 01 13:28:14 1) can we put them at the end in the order of the pins they connect or do we want to put them next to the existing pins? Aug 01 13:31:55 I'd want to leave the existing pins where they are. Aug 01 13:34:48 in both cases the rest of the struct moves Aug 01 13:36:05 hmmm... I guess I need to pull up the doc. Aug 01 13:36:39 jkridner_work: some stuff is going to break, which is why I didn't want to make the call :) Aug 01 13:37:11 well, avoiding breakage is good. Aug 01 13:38:36 if we want to avoid breakage those pins will go at the very end Aug 01 13:38:46 k, let's do that then. Aug 01 13:38:50 of the struct, not the eeprom Aug 01 13:41:52 jkridner_work: should we hold technical meetings with the entire community invited (under a strict irc meeting process like meego set up) on #beagle-meetings from now on? Aug 01 13:41:55 I'm looking at the bonescript code now... Aug 01 13:42:02 aren't the pins at the end of the eeprom? Aug 01 13:42:12 we have 32k of eeprom Aug 01 13:42:20 we only use the bottom 1k or so Aug 01 13:42:23 maybe even less Aug 01 13:43:05 I think having official meetings for technical issues would be great, as long as we can still move quickly. Aug 01 13:43:24 I mean put them at the end of the existing pin list. Aug 01 13:44:19 the powerconsumption stuff is at the end, no? Aug 01 13:44:20 is the version really 'a1'? Aug 01 13:44:28 that is kinda dumb not to have an integral version. Aug 01 13:45:01 ah, so it is. that was kinda dumb too. Aug 01 13:45:17 I guess we'll put the new pins right after that. Aug 01 13:45:40 our thinking back then was "no way to put more pins on the headers" Aug 01 13:46:14 What happened to change that thinking? Aug 01 13:46:23 jkridner_work: I'd love to lurk in those meetings; possibly log them and publish minutes? Aug 01 13:47:21 sounds like a lot of work. Aug 01 13:47:31 this discussion is already being logged. Aug 01 13:47:50 And indexed by Google. Aug 01 13:47:52 fair enough Aug 01 13:48:26 agmlego: more pins were added :) Aug 01 13:49:12 koen: Well, OK. But I am wondering about how that was done? Is there a different set of muxes (or mux options onchip) that you are using, or what? Aug 01 13:50:09 agmlego: have a look at the schematics: https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-RevA6 :) Aug 01 13:50:18 (which is code speak for "I don't know") Aug 01 13:50:36 jkridner_work: is the getting-started repo up to date for a6? Aug 01 13:51:17 well, more *device* pins were connected to *existing* header pins. Aug 01 13:51:51 koen: I think so, but the SRM and hardware docs might be out of date. Aug 01 13:51:51 koen: I figured as much. Aug 01 13:52:31 jkridner_work: OK, that makes sense. So this is fundamentally a new hardware revision needing different EEPROM data, rather than a software-only change to existing boards. Aug 01 13:52:42 jkridner_work: yesterday it was out of date Aug 01 13:52:46 agmlego: yes Aug 01 13:52:56 then it still is. Aug 01 13:53:43 jkridner_work: OK, thanks. Aug 01 13:54:24 jkridner_work: when you update it, can you move it to the beagleboard github account as well? Aug 01 13:54:39 jkridner_work: less work than you'd think...most projects that do this use MeetBot to make it simple and record notes,actions,decisions. Meego, I hate to say, used this pretty effectively Aug 01 13:56:27 * jkridner_work is updating hardware docs Aug 01 13:56:45 koen: I can move it over, yes. Aug 01 13:57:02 koen, yeah, the problem with these standards is they are always wrong at the beginning...no surprise that something happen that you didn't plan on Aug 01 13:57:13 koen, I feel like we even had this conversation once before ;) Aug 01 14:04:55 koen: k, it is up on the beagleboard account on github now. Aug 01 14:05:22 I will look up MeetBot then. Aug 01 14:05:42 should we look at doing these weekly? Aug 01 14:05:52 I think we want to move faster than monthly. Aug 01 14:07:07 koen: do you have the list of new device pins and to which header pins they connect? Aug 01 14:09:13 koen: ping? Aug 01 14:12:06 may: shall we chat about ECE497 stuff until koen gets back? Aug 01 14:13:40 jkridner_work: Sounds good. Aug 01 14:20:17 do anyone know of a language that uses 'or' as an operator instead of |? Aug 01 14:45:32 smplman, English Aug 01 14:45:56 speak engrish Aug 01 14:45:58 python, applescript, etc Aug 01 14:46:09 pretty sure its a sql injection Aug 01 14:46:16 or asp Aug 01 14:47:08 perl Aug 01 14:47:22 well, not instead of |, but it's an operator Aug 01 14:47:49 smplman, and the greatest language ever, Modula-2 ;) Aug 01 14:49:06 will have to look Aug 01 14:49:25 if you're trying to avoid some kind of code injection attack, you're doing it wrong Aug 01 14:49:48 i used to make animated scenes in basic, i was the shit Aug 01 14:50:07 yes, i know Aug 01 14:50:18 you were probably the peek and poke wizard too! Aug 01 14:50:18 i just wanted to make sure it wasn't some weird JS failing Aug 01 14:51:41 riskable: Thank you very much for your advice. Yesterday at home, I succeeded to connect the bone trough the internet router. As a newbie, I am pretty happy :P. Aug 01 14:54:11 * mdp apparently needs a .ics plugin for mutt :( Aug 01 14:59:05 prpplague must know I'm looking for him. Aug 01 15:00:20 jkridner_work: suppose someone sends a pull request to add the missing pruv2 stuff, what would you do? Aug 01 15:00:55 very good question. Aug 01 15:01:10 I know :) Aug 01 15:01:36 I'd try to find some way to take it. Aug 01 15:02:19 I'd recommend a fork and a pull request... Aug 01 15:02:39 then, I can figure if I want to take it. Aug 01 15:03:21 koen: will you put the current assembler into the distro? Aug 01 15:04:03 not sure Aug 01 15:06:38 why not? Aug 01 15:06:53 it's unsupported Aug 01 15:06:53 is the pru loader already there? Aug 01 15:07:02 and I haven' looked at the license Aug 01 15:07:10 only the kernel driver is there Aug 01 15:07:35 which will be missing on the because it isn't in mainline Aug 01 15:09:25 heh Aug 01 16:12:11 koen: well, I'd find it more useful to use the PRU if the assembler was there, whatever the state of the kernel driver. Aug 01 16:12:29 taking the mode of "releasing it will just generate questions" seems to me it just gets in people's way Aug 01 16:14:22 koen, is somebody working on a mainline pru solution? Aug 01 16:18:09 mdp: TI is, no? Aug 01 16:18:32 koen, it's not officially tracked with the mainline team in any way shape or form Aug 01 16:20:26 koen, I'm not in the loop though, because of the special status of the PRU, there could be a sekrit project going on Aug 01 16:20:56 koen, everything being done openly in on that wiki page Aug 01 16:21:01 s/in/is Aug 01 16:21:07 hence my question ;) Aug 01 16:23:03 mdp: the wiki without links to actual code, that one? Aug 01 16:23:44 koen, ooofff...hey, I don't control other people..just me Aug 01 16:25:20 mdp, do you control firewall at TI? :) make secret change to publicize git repos? Aug 01 16:25:53 no people involved in firewall... Aug 01 16:26:18 lol Aug 01 16:32:11 koen, before my task changed, I had links to am35x/am37x codez..but those tables have bitrotted Aug 01 16:33:46 koen, anyway, I know you often have better contacts at TI than I do, so I was hoping you knew of somebody restarting a run at mainline for that piece Aug 01 17:07:06 Hello! I'm using BB XM and tied connecting it to monitor using HDMI cable but it didn't work. How can I test or can get it working? Do I have to change uEnv.txt file in SD card? Aug 01 17:07:25 s/tied/tried* Aug 01 17:08:30 sre-su_: there is a default resolution specified that should work with most monitors. Aug 01 17:08:49 sre-su_: if you need to change the resolution, you can typically do so using the uEnv.txt file. Aug 01 17:09:38 jkridner2: But usually does it work out of the box without the need of changing anything? Aug 01 17:12:35 yes Aug 01 17:14:26 jkridner2: Thanks, I also would like to confirm my hardware setup .. BB is powered using 5V 3A adapter and HDMI cable is connected directly from BB to the monitor. Is that right? Aug 01 17:15:13 yes Aug 01 17:15:29 your monitor might have multiple inputs, so you might need to cycle through them. Aug 01 17:15:46 uSD card should have a valid Angstrom image and be inserted ahead of applying power. Aug 01 17:15:58 But I always get " Unsupported signal please check input device... Aug 01 17:16:16 Yes, I've done what you said above Aug 01 17:16:29 k. could be your monitor doesn't like the default resolution generated by the BB-xM... Aug 01 17:16:38 so, you can edit uEnv.txt to change the resolution. Aug 01 17:18:00 Umm, its a 42inch screen (I don't have any other monitor supporting HDMI input).. I'm not sure about the resolution Aug 01 17:32:34 sre-su_: try a hdmi dvi adapter Aug 01 17:33:33 i have a TV that doesn't like hdmi - hdmi but on my 60" it runs fine Aug 01 17:35:01 smplman: So, on your TV it worked only after using hdmi-dvi? hdmi-hdmi didn't work even after changing res? Aug 01 17:35:19 on one tv Aug 01 17:35:32 the other worked straight hdmi - hdmi Aug 01 17:35:43 the one that didn't I used hdmi - dvi Aug 01 17:36:54 mdp: it's pretty self containted as uio driver Aug 01 17:37:03 mdp: but rpmsg would be better Aug 01 17:37:23 Alright, I'll try that. I think default res of my monitor is 1920x1080 so I should be changing uEnv.txt line from "dvimode="hd720 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M" " to "dvimode="hd1080 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M"" ? Aug 01 17:37:33 yeah, well, I was hoping somebody might be writing a sane driver Aug 01 17:37:43 smplman: ^ And then I plan on trying hdmi-dvi Aug 01 17:39:53 yea i was always under the assumption that straight hdmi - hdmi never worked Aug 01 17:40:07 until my buddy suggested i try it one day on my TV and it worked Aug 01 17:40:46 then I played super mario for a bit Aug 01 17:54:22 Thanks smplman jkridner2 Aug 01 18:02:03 mikeg I'm interested in RT_PREEMPT for Bone, I tried compiling rcn's psp kernel with vanilla preempt and it booted but ethernet didn't work Aug 01 18:27:46 burris, I think there was a patch in koen's repo for that a few months ago, might want to give that kernel a try with preempt enabled Aug 01 18:34:31 jsabeaudry do you know which repo that is? Aug 01 18:39:06 burris, https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/ Aug 01 18:39:55 burris, as for the branch, hmmmm, I think it was around 11d Aug 01 18:40:36 burris, I'd like to check but github is throwing 500s at me Aug 01 18:43:22 ya pretty sure it was r11d or r11f, not sure if the patch is in the later branches Aug 01 18:49:35 jsabeaudry, github does that a lot for me Aug 01 18:52:44 mdp, mostly with koen's repo or generally? Aug 01 18:53:12 (for me it's almost exclusively koen's repo) Aug 01 18:53:34 generally when I click on the branches link on various repos Aug 01 18:54:15 if I click enough or try later, it'll eventually work Aug 01 19:18:07 I've build a couple angstrom images for the BB this week, and they all eventually give me "Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session" when I try to log in, and re-prompt. Any ideas? Aug 01 19:40:02 sre-su_: any luck? Aug 01 19:40:47 sup? Aug 01 19:42:23 i've got a question about the beaglebone Aug 01 19:43:20 I'm looking for some assistance with the D_can module Aug 01 19:43:50 Currently, I'm running the TI SDK kernel with the necessary D_can patches Aug 01 19:44:13 The can device is recognized and instantiated as can0 Aug 01 19:44:37 and i can use canutils to start loopback mode and comminucate with itself Aug 01 19:45:13 but the thing is, when i switch out of loopback mode. the D_can device refuses to send data Aug 01 19:45:48 I call the cansend command, and I watch the dcan0_tx pin with a scope, there is no activity Aug 01 19:45:54 same with the rc pin Aug 01 19:45:56 rx* Aug 01 19:46:12 I've also scoped both busses with the mux set correctly Aug 01 19:46:24 both d_can busses that is Aug 01 20:39:35 _av500_: ping Aug 01 20:39:41 _av500_: did you need something earlier? Aug 01 20:58:03 cool, i had plenty of screws left over this time after reassembling an old laptop. Aug 01 20:58:53 with enough practice, you can put it back together without using any screws! Aug 01 20:58:57 * prpplague avoids making a number of jokes about that comment Aug 01 20:59:31 :) Aug 01 20:59:45 hehe Aug 01 21:39:31 prpplague: you made your trip to the island yet? Aug 01 21:42:36 djlewis: which island? Aug 01 21:43:03 i was thinking i needed an s on that island word ;) Aug 01 21:43:27 Monitoulin Island? Aug 01 21:43:37 Manitoulin even. Aug 01 21:45:33 * prpplague wonders which islands djlewis is referring to Aug 01 21:46:00 djlewis: if you are asking about Barbados, i have no plans to visit any time soon Aug 01 21:46:05 prpplague: i just recall you travel to some island and drink rum in the summer Aug 01 21:46:13 djlewis: hehe Aug 01 21:46:26 djlewis: my wife is from Barbados, she was there visiting family Aug 01 21:46:33 djlewis: i got to stay home and work Aug 01 21:46:54 well, someone has to pay for her vacation ;) Aug 01 21:47:07 indeed Aug 01 21:48:06 prpplague: I spotted a bottle of extra old barbados rum at the local pub Aug 01 21:49:21 mru: hehe Aug 01 21:49:25 mru: good stuff Aug 01 21:56:38 burris: rcn's psp kernel? I can send you the patch I have for OpenEmbedded's meta-ti repository tomorrow Aug 01 21:58:29 prpplague: you know what, somebody should buy you a trip to Barcelona so you can relax too. Aug 01 21:58:52 mdp: hehe Aug 01 21:59:06 mdp: someone already did Aug 01 21:59:12 aha! Aug 01 21:59:28 and here I was just picking random vacation spots for you Aug 01 22:15:37 mdp: hehe Aug 01 22:15:42 mdp: well it is for ELC-E , hehe Aug 01 22:38:20 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 02 02:59:59 2012