**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 27 02:59:58 2012
Aug 27 03:44:42 <trelane> is there a quick and dirty guide to the exposed bits of the beaglebone's watchdog?
Aug 27 05:47:48 <isfair> hello! how do I communicate with the TPS65950?
Aug 27 05:58:08 <mranostay> isfair: through i2c
Aug 27 06:03:46 <KeatonT> such a sad day.
Aug 27 06:05:47 <ka6sox-away> ?
Aug 27 06:13:42 <KeatonT> ka6sox-away having beaglebone issues
Aug 27 06:13:51 <ka6sox-away> kk
Aug 27 06:25:13 <blazingice> do the BB, BB xM, or beaglebone have hardware performance counters in the ARM processor?
Aug 27 07:05:43 <raju> hi this is nagaraju
Aug 27 07:06:25 <raju> i am very new to this Beagle XM can anyone help?
Aug 27 07:48:01 <_av500_> if you ask, we might
Aug 27 08:36:10 <bobsickle> _av500_: nah there's only 175 people in channel, I don't think anybody will be able to help
Aug 27 08:38:13 <_av500_>  right
Aug 27 10:04:53 <koen> wow
Aug 27 10:05:00 <koen> someone has ported angstrom to xM
Aug 27 10:05:12 <koen> I wonder if he can share codez and exact steps
Aug 27 10:37:28 <LetoThe2nd> koen: i'd orefer if he/she can share port. don't care if red or white.
Aug 27 11:57:55 <_av500_> koen: to pandaboard XM?
Aug 27 11:58:18 <ogra_> beaglebone XM ?
Aug 27 11:59:12 <_av500_> XM all the things!
Aug 27 12:06:06 <wmat> no, the _av500_XM ;)
Aug 27 12:41:33 <guyzmo> hi
Aug 27 12:43:27 <guyzmo> I'm compiling a C++ code I wrote using bitbake
Aug 27 12:43:48 <guyzmo> and it seems bitbake did not install the 32bits includes for compilation
Aug 27 12:43:54 <guyzmo> did I forget something ?
Aug 27 12:44:17 <guyzmo> (it complains about stubs-32.h missing and that -std=c++0x is not set...)
Aug 27 19:00:16 <koen> something I wonder how many times people will ask the same question before realizing the answer isn't going to change
Aug 27 19:00:23 <koen> customer: send me exact steps
Aug 27 19:00:31 <koen> me: <link to steps>
Aug 27 19:00:43 <koen> customer: that's open source, can never work, send me exact steps
Aug 27 19:00:48 <koen> me: <same link again>
Aug 27 19:01:01 <koen> customer: hmmm, I need exact steps, send them to me
Aug 27 19:01:08 <koen> me: <same link>
Aug 27 19:01:21 <koen> customer to my boss: I need exact steps, the one you use
Aug 27 19:01:37 <koen> me: djeez, I use <same link all over again>
Aug 27 19:01:49 <koen> customer to project manager: I really need exact steps
Aug 27 19:02:58 <djlewis> customer reakky needs a simpler project
Aug 27 19:03:06 <djlewis> s'reakky/really
Aug 27 19:03:25 <koen> he pulled the "this project is only a few units, but the next one will be BIG!" card
Aug 27 19:03:45 <djlewis> ugh. . .
Aug 27 19:03:53 <koen> so
Aug 27 19:04:19 <koen> I asked what $other important jobs I can drop to handhold this one
Aug 27 19:04:41 <koen> I just *know* that whatever exact steps I'm going to send they aren't going to be followed exactl
Aug 27 19:04:44 <koen> y
Aug 27 19:07:24 <koen> oh, the customer doesn't have a linux computer, only windows 7 + virtualbox
Aug 27 19:07:24 <koen> time to get some heavy tranquilizers, I'm going to need them
Aug 27 19:09:25 <thurbad> heh
Aug 27 19:10:02 <koen> there, that feels better
Aug 27 19:10:30 <mranostay> koen: horse?
Aug 27 19:11:05 <koen> heh, no
Aug 27 19:11:10 <koen> just ranting made me feel better
Aug 27 19:11:25 <koen> but since the gf does ride horsies I could ask her some some tranqs
Aug 27 19:11:37 <thurbad> eep
Aug 27 19:11:55 <mranostay> i'm sure that isn't legal even in Holland :)
Aug 27 19:13:11 <koen> neither is blasfemy and littering
Aug 27 19:13:35 <mranostay> you guys have blasfemy laws still?
Aug 27 19:13:38 <koen> or my favorite "outlaw people being stupid law": it's illegal to deny the holocaust
Aug 27 19:13:46 <mranostay> heh
Aug 27 19:14:00 <thurbad> ~.~
Aug 27 19:14:03 <koen> being dumb enough to deny a truth should be punishment enough
Aug 27 19:14:18 <thurbad> seriosuly.. I like knowing who and where the idiots are
Aug 27 19:14:22 <mranostay> or looking like an asshole for doing it
Aug 27 19:14:58 <thurbad> make it illegal and they go underground
Aug 27 19:15:36 * koen is looking forward to the elections in 16 days
Aug 27 19:16:26 * mranostay notes E-ELC runs during election day here
Aug 27 19:17:06 <koen> and my moms birthday as well
Aug 27 19:20:38 * koen tries to figure out which event has more effect on his life, being employed by a US company
Aug 27 19:21:05 <mranostay> koen: well i'm sure TX is torn on who to vote for :)
Aug 27 19:26:15 <koen> ron paul, who else?
Aug 27 19:26:46 <djlewis> isnt Ralph Nadar on the ballot this year?
Aug 27 19:27:45 <mranostay> djlewis: he is everytime
Aug 27 19:27:52 <mranostay> at least in some states
Aug 27 19:28:16 <koen> let'
Aug 27 19:28:17 <mranostay> i have the nutty third party primary ballot  :)
Aug 27 19:28:27 <koen> s just seccedde and start the kingdom of texas
Aug 27 19:28:45 <mranostay> hey there are few states i'd let drop from the union :)
Aug 27 19:29:02 <djlewis> there are more than that that are considering it.
Aug 27 19:29:15 <djlewis> if not for those fed dollars
Aug 27 19:29:56 <mranostay> heh no state is dumb enough to that
Aug 27 19:30:14 <djlewis> new york cist could be its own country of eurasia
Aug 27 19:30:22 <mranostay> well same for SF
Aug 27 19:30:24 <djlewis> s/s=cist/city
Aug 27 19:31:04 <koen> the meme in europe is that only the states that live on fed dollars want to seccede
Aug 27 19:31:12 <koen> not sure how true that is, but it sounds nice
Aug 27 19:35:08 <thurbad> quite the opposite
Aug 27 19:35:49 <thurbad> the ones that send their money to the feds and get little back want to leave
Aug 27 19:37:08 <mranostay> heh well if you want roads that go across the country that is what you get :)
Aug 27 20:07:43 <selco> good evening
Aug 27 20:22:51 <selco> I do have a problem with the USB-Serial driver for Windows. (Win7 Prof 64 Bit, German). When I try to run BONE_D64.exe I get an error message telling me the current language is not supported by the driver installation assistent. Then it quits. Does anybody know a solution for my problem?
Aug 27 20:23:16 <mru> ditch windows
Aug 27 20:24:09 <_av500_> dutch windows?
Aug 27 20:24:37 <mru> I doubt dutch would work any better than german
Aug 27 20:25:42 <mru> I really wonder what kind of twisted thought process came to the conclusion that making the driver interface depend on the language was a good idea
Aug 27 20:26:16 <thurbad> probably just an automated installer
Aug 27 20:26:18 <selco> I tried it at work (XP 32Bit, German) and now with Win7 :( Its a brand new Beagle bone A6 board
Aug 27 20:26:21 <emeb> there was a thought process involved?
Aug 27 20:27:07 <mru> emeb: someone probably thought there was
Aug 27 20:27:23 <mru> maybe it was more of a smoke process
Aug 27 20:27:52 * emeb would bet on a spinal reflex.
Aug 27 20:27:54 <mru> they must have some really potent weed strains up in redmond
Aug 27 20:28:09 <javaJake> selco: Windows is probably the hardest OS to use as a developer. If Linux is unfamiliar to you, look into Wubi, which won't require you to repartition.
Aug 27 20:28:28 <emeb> mru: nah - the drug of choice in the Pacific NW is 'shrooms.
Aug 27 20:28:49 <mru> that does make more sense
Aug 27 20:29:41 <selco> We use linux as main developement platform but the PCs a Windows desktops. (and we go via putty to the build machines)
Aug 27 20:30:11 <mru> do yourself a favour and find a proper job
Aug 27 20:31:15 <javaJake> selco: then attach your beagle to a Linux box?
Aug 27 20:34:15 <javaJake> selco: long and short of it is, Linux is going to save you a world of hurt :)
Aug 27 20:38:27 <selco> As I said, all "our" machines are Windows PCs and others you are not allowed to connect to the companie' s network.  But OK, I will ask, maybe I get an additional PC to play with the beagle bone.
Aug 27 20:38:47 <mru> so get a better company
Aug 27 20:39:14 <mru> run linux in a virtual machine and use usb passthrough
Aug 27 20:39:23 <mru> if they won't let you do that, you should quit, seriously
Aug 27 20:40:28 <selco> OK, thanks for the suggestion. I will try a virtual machine.
Aug 27 20:41:41 <ds2> blah... yuck
Aug 27 20:41:45 <ds2> virtual machines are a waste of time
Aug 27 20:41:52 <ds2> get a real machine
Aug 27 20:42:20 <javaJake> Yea, VM's are yet another layer to debug. They can work but they can be painful too.
Aug 27 20:42:54 <mru> ds2: he said his boss wouldn't let him connect a real linux machine
Aug 27 20:43:27 <mru> but you're right, hosted VMs are a PITA
Aug 27 20:43:38 <ds2> the replace the boss.
Aug 27 20:43:44 <ds2> then
Aug 27 20:43:47 <mru> ds2: that's what I said
Aug 27 20:43:48 * djlewis thought the bone and windows was already debugged
Aug 27 20:43:59 <mru> proper hypervisors like vmware esx server are much less troublesome
Aug 27 20:44:06 <ds2> blah
Aug 27 20:44:13 <ds2> waste of time. desktop crap.
Aug 27 20:44:20 <mru> what is?
Aug 27 20:44:25 <mru> vmware esx?
Aug 27 20:44:28 <ds2> hypervisors and all that other crap
Aug 27 20:44:50 <mru> vmware esx or esxi or whatever it's called today is not a desktop thing
Aug 27 20:45:22 <ds2> when it is on a proper embedded device in an engine, etc....
Aug 27 20:45:26 <ds2> :)
Aug 27 21:05:32 * mranostay wanders in for his daily dose of troll
Aug 27 21:10:36 * _troll_ trolls mranostay 
Aug 27 21:12:58 <mranostay> i feel loved
Aug 27 21:18:14 <thurbad> there's plenty of weed in the pacific NW
Aug 27 21:19:00 <mranostay> really? didn't know that..
Aug 27 21:19:10 * mranostay puts on innocent face
Aug 27 21:34:47 <woglinde> mranostay what is better with vmware esx th
Aug 27 21:34:51 <woglinde> an with kvm?
Aug 27 21:35:57 <mranostay> er was i part of that discussion?
Aug 27 21:35:58 <mru> kvm runs under a full linux kernel
Aug 27 21:40:23 <alan_o> so mranostay, mru, ds2, do you ever use virtualization for kernel development, what kind? I've been thinking about it recently, but haven't tried anything. Was thinking about setting up VirtualBox as though it were an embedded target, NFS the kernel/rootfs, and if I do that, I can attach USB devices to it with no problem. Seems like it would be useful for certain classes of development.
Aug 27 21:40:58 <mru> the only kernel hacking I do is on arm devices
Aug 27 21:41:17 <mru> and even if I did x86, I have spare machines of that sort too
Aug 27 21:42:40 <mranostay> yeah i never use virtualization for that personally
Aug 27 21:43:04 <mranostay> then again i have access to decent build servers
Aug 27 21:43:37 <alan_o> yeah, I'm in the (bad) habit of doing everything on my main PC
Aug 27 21:44:34 <alan_o> Right now I'm debugging some issues which require a lot of rebooting.
Aug 27 21:45:52 <alan_o> Oh hey, here's another question, do any of you have a good trick for making the beaglebone persist through a reboot of the PC that's connected to the USB console without resetting?
Aug 27 21:46:31 <alan_o> external power supply doesn't do it. It seems that the USB reset causes the CPU to reset.
Aug 27 21:47:09 <alan_o> There's lots of ways around it I guess.. rebuild u-boot to use one of the other ttys for console and do external power
Aug 27 21:47:15 <djlewis> get out the exacto knive
Aug 27 21:47:20 <mru> see, there's another reason I hate usb-attached gadgets
Aug 27 21:48:22 <alan_o> usb is good for what it's good for, but I agree. I typically hate having FTDI chips on boards. If the board has UART, expose UART.
Aug 27 21:48:26 <alan_o> but that's me, and that's what works forme
Aug 27 21:48:49 <alan_o> I know that for others that's a lot harder, and I get those design decisions.
Aug 27 21:49:02 <Russ> alan_o, but and ftdi chip can get you jtag for free :)
Aug 27 21:49:31 <alan_o> yes, that's true, the jtag on FTDI/USB is a very nice feature
Aug 27 21:49:40 <alan_o> serial console over it is causing me problems.
Aug 27 21:49:47 <alan_o> but it's nothing I can't work around.
Aug 27 21:49:56 <alan_o> and so I'm not complaining :)
Aug 27 21:50:11 <Russ> why do you need to keep rebooting the pc?
Aug 27 21:50:26 <alan_o> because I'm hacking on drivers.
Aug 27 21:50:36 <alan_o> I'm doing 802.15.4 between the PC and the bone
Aug 27 21:50:50 <alan_o> so I have code I'm modifying on both sides
Aug 27 21:51:02 <Russ> but it's not a module?
Aug 27 21:51:04 <alan_o> There are currently some issues with unloading those drivers.
Aug 27 21:51:32 <alan_o> I'm working on fixing that :)
Aug 27 22:02:15 <mranostay> hi prp^2
Aug 27 22:36:27 <djlewis> barf! did 3 hrs of coding, saved as new name and all it saved was the original :(
Aug 27 22:36:42 <djlewis> with the new name
Aug 27 22:36:54 <ds2> that's no biggie... git check <HASHOFOLDREV>
Aug 27 22:36:55 <ds2> :)
Aug 27 22:37:33 <djlewis> i was in the arduino ide world
Aug 27 22:51:56 <mranostay> djlewis: i'm sorry
Aug 27 22:52:36 <mranostay> who uses IDEs? :)
Aug 27 22:55:56 * djlewis was being lazy
Aug 27 22:56:20 <mranostay> see what being lazy got you? :)
Aug 27 22:56:37 <mranostay> real men use vi.. :)
Aug 27 22:56:41 <djlewis> at least it was a thing for me. I can get after it again :)
Aug 27 22:57:06 <djlewis> I used vi some back in the early 90's
Aug 27 22:57:36 <mranostay> it is like riding a bike
Aug 27 22:58:32 <djlewis> real masochists use vi :)
Aug 27 22:59:01 <djlewis> and on that note, i'm heading nome :)
Aug 27 22:59:07 <djlewis> s/nome/home
Aug 27 22:59:42 <mranostay> on a bike?
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