**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 29 02:59:58 2012
Aug 29 03:03:47 <mranostay> koen: you have a magic cosm script for your weathercape?
Aug 29 03:04:13 <mranostay> i  don't see it on your github
Aug 29 04:11:54 <_av500_> gm
Aug 29 04:14:16 <Russ> _av500_, ge
Aug 29 04:14:28 <_av500_> gah!
Aug 29 04:16:08 <mranostay> i'll never get a hang of these timezones
Aug 29 04:17:24 <_av500_> I usually zone out
Aug 29 04:18:31 <Russ> I'm just going to start saying "good morrow", I figure no one knows what it means anyway
Aug 29 04:21:41 <mranostay> my sleep schedule doesn't exist so it is all the same to me
Aug 29 04:23:35 * mranostay doesn't get FB friends that have Mitt or Dubya as there profile photo..
Aug 29 04:23:38 <mranostay> *their
Aug 29 04:24:04 <mranostay> _av500_: so what is the european view on our election? :)
Aug 29 04:24:27 <KeatonT> Hello.
Aug 29 04:26:19 <_av500_> mranostay: how much time do you have? :)
Aug 29 04:26:36 <mranostay> _av500_: one sentence summary :)
Aug 29 04:26:56 <_av500_> mranostay: there is worse :)
Aug 29 04:29:39 * mranostay triples checks this prototype cape with a multimeter before he shorts his bone :)
Aug 29 04:30:21 <mranostay> _av500_: i can't tell who is worst the voters or the candidates :)
Aug 29 04:49:40 <ka6sox-away> mranostay, both are BAD.
Aug 29 04:51:12 * mranostay wonders when someone though coding server side in JS was a good idea
Aug 29 04:57:36 <ds2> _av500_: which is worse... greece or the US election? :D
Aug 29 05:03:41 <ka6sox-away> ds2, greece is a more dire issue (today) ours is more dire (long term)
Aug 29 05:03:46 <ka6sox-away> imltho
Aug 29 05:04:11 <ds2> so we are completely F'ed in otherwords? :D
Aug 29 05:21:45 <mranostay> euro keep dropping baby :)
Aug 29 05:22:02 <mranostay> i want a cheap vacation
Aug 29 06:41:02 <Russ> gah
Aug 29 06:41:26 <Russ> so everyone finally makes great energy efficient E26 (standard sized) light bulbs
Aug 29 06:42:17 <Russ> meantime, a law gets passed that if you sell an E26 bulb, it has to meet certain energy efficiency requirements
Aug 29 06:42:44 <Russ> now, all the lighting and ceiling fans I'm shopping for don't come with E26 sockets anymore so they don't have to meet the requirement
Aug 29 06:43:11 <Russ> so have to buy low efficiency bulbs, or really crummy efficient ones
Aug 29 06:46:49 <muhoo> it's kind of freaking me out that i'm compiling software on a basically a teeny little embedded board
Aug 29 06:49:02 <av500> ds2: greece is overrated
Aug 29 06:53:44 <Russ> muhoo, it does have a fun factor though
Aug 29 06:54:32 <av500> Russ: so what sockets do they come with now?
Aug 29 07:02:06 <Russ> av500,  E17, candelabra
Aug 29 07:06:16 <av500> eek
Aug 29 07:07:56 <Russ> and 'Since 2009 the Dept. of Energy mandated that ceiling fans and other lighted products can only consume a maximum of 190 watts.'
Aug 29 07:08:24 <Russ> which I don't care too much about, but problem is what is forcing the E17
Aug 29 07:11:13 <av500> Russ: how much watts does the fan part take?
Aug 29 07:15:24 <kishore> Hello everyone i want to know if BeaglBoard xM and Intel Atom Processor are of same CPU power? If they are different what factors are different and can computer vision applications run on BeagleBoard xM ? Thanks
Aug 29 07:15:41 <av500> no
Aug 29 07:17:06 <kishore> @av500 can you say why it is not equal?
Aug 29 07:18:11 <av500> first of all, which of the several dozen atoms do you mean?
Aug 29 07:18:36 <av500> and there you already have half of your answer :)
Aug 29 07:19:40 <kishore> Consider a the best atom processor netbook in the market. I have little idea about netbooks and atom processor. Sorry
Aug 29 07:38:29 <Russ> av500, its just the light part that matters
Aug 29 07:41:18 <av500> Russ: well then 190W is plenty, no?
Aug 29 07:44:01 <koen> mranostay: I have, but I need to take out my api key first :)
Aug 29 07:45:54 <koen> mranostay: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/0001-weatherstation-add-files.patch
Aug 29 07:47:10 <Russ> av500, yes, but the limit requires the manufacturer to install circuitry to actually limit it to 190W
Aug 29 07:47:30 <Russ> rather than spend the money to do that, they just switch out the sockets to candelabra to be exempt
Aug 29 07:53:18 <Russ> ah, found a write-up http://rosscarter.com/2007/34.html
Aug 29 07:55:22 <av500> Russ: thanks!
Aug 29 07:55:24 <av500> marvelous!
Aug 29 08:20:51 <av500> r-pi killer: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/08/29/olimex-a13-olinuxino-wifi-developer-edition-is-now-available/
Aug 29 08:21:19 <av500> oops, no hdmi
Aug 29 08:21:36 <av500> ah right, the A13 is the cost-down A10 and has no hdmi
Aug 29 08:21:59 <LetoThe2nd> av500: well atleast chances are they can put the correct ethernet jacks onto it. olimex has been around long enough ;)
Aug 29 08:48:06 * Russ gets to the TLDR register
Aug 29 11:13:17 <koen> hey, an archospandora
Aug 29 11:16:04 <mru> pandora, what's that?
Aug 29 11:16:41 <koen> a box of pain and suffering
Aug 29 11:33:47 <LetoThe2nd> koen: where? *looks*
Aug 29 11:37:53 <koen> http://www.slashgear.com/archos-gamepad-gets-physical-for-android-gaming-28244285/
Aug 29 11:41:08 <jedas> hi. what kind of platform do you usually use to build beagle images? angstrom online builder, buildroot or something else ?
Aug 29 12:28:51 <tasslehoff> would it be bad to make fsck run with -y instead of -p on boot? in the field my embedded system don't have a keyboard, and its kinda hard to "run fsck manually". better to have fsck make a brave attempt at fixing everything.
Aug 29 12:31:54 <av500> tasslehoff: sure, why no
Aug 29 12:31:56 <av500> tasslehoff: sure, why not
Aug 29 12:32:11 <av500> you have a recovery option anyway, no?
Aug 29 12:34:30 <mru> seems to me you should build your system so it doesn't need fsck
Aug 29 12:36:19 <tasslehoff> av500: yeah. a "hold this button on boot to switch to the other sw-image" thing.
Aug 29 12:36:39 <tasslehoff> mru: how does one do that?
Aug 29 12:36:48 <jedas> I'll dare myself to bump the question again. what do you guys use, TI provided SDK, or some 3rd party builders? It bugs me that TI doesn't provide some kind of packaging system
Aug 29 12:37:39 <jedas> tasslehoff: read only fs would do that :)
Aug 29 12:37:43 <tasslehoff> jedas: openembedded
Aug 29 12:37:54 <koen> jedas: people pay good money to NOT use the TI SDK
Aug 29 12:38:28 <jedas> i see
Aug 29 12:38:47 <jedas> any happy openwrt users ?
Aug 29 12:39:08 <tasslehoff> perhaps the time has come to finally investigating ro then
Aug 29 12:39:13 <koen> jedas: of you're on beagle use narcissus, or if you can follow instructions: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Aug 29 12:39:19 <jedas> I'm trying to decide what builder i should start with, but all of them have strong points :)
Aug 29 12:39:46 <jedas> my final goal would be custom board
Aug 29 12:39:46 <koen> it's 3 steps, but man, a lot of people can't resist skipping a few steps or something completely different
Aug 29 12:40:08 <koen> and then state "I followed the steps exactly"
Aug 29 12:40:11 <mru> and now for something completely different?
Aug 29 12:40:44 <jedas> I've looked at angstrom activity and it seems to be shelved. but maybe it's wrong impression
Aug 29 12:41:16 <mru> angstrom isn't a builder
Aug 29 12:41:33 <ogra_> koen, skipping "a few" from 3 steps ? ... heh
Aug 29 12:41:48 <koen> ogra_: you'd be suprised
Aug 29 12:42:03 <mru> many even take a few steps back
Aug 29 12:42:26 <ogra_> heh
Aug 29 12:43:01 <jedas> ok, thanks, I'll look into that
Aug 29 12:43:14 <mru> some even go as far as trying to install ubuntu
Aug 29 12:44:30 <jedas> but why people should avoid TI sdk? it seems they've got ide, debuger, pix muxer utility..
Aug 29 12:45:15 <jedas> I'm trying ubuntu now :) it went very nice, until I've tried to compile kernel inside system :) it took real    436m9.981s, ...
Aug 29 12:45:17 <mru> when you buy a PC, do you use the Asus or whatever SDK for everything you do with it?
Aug 29 12:46:07 <jedas> well.. for example as avr32 customer I was quite happy with everythign Atmel has gave
Aug 29 12:46:15 <mru> omg
Aug 29 12:46:23 <jedas> manufacturer support is kinda important i guess
Aug 29 12:46:38 <mru> support, yes
Aug 29 12:46:46 <mru> exclusive tool vendor, no
Aug 29 12:47:47 <jedas> noted :)
Aug 29 14:42:51 <xinhuo> How to control BeagleBoard?
Aug 29 14:44:22 * LetoThe2nd recommends making jedi hand moves and saying "you want to boot."
Aug 29 14:44:31 <koen> give it a stern look while pointing your finger at it
Aug 29 14:44:45 <LetoThe2nd> koen: thats so 1984
Aug 29 14:45:53 <xinhuo> Can you explain so that I can understand easily?
Aug 29 14:47:49 <Russ> can you make your question more clear?
Aug 29 14:49:37 <stuk_gen> yes we can
Aug 29 14:50:24 <xinhuo> How to start with the BeagleBoard?
Aug 29 15:02:07 <Russ> ...and he left
Aug 29 15:10:01 <v3> hi
Aug 29 15:11:01 <v3> got a question I've got a beaglebone and a LCD7. how to get them to display?
Aug 29 15:24:20 <v3> hi
Aug 29 15:24:45 <v3> debian on beaglebone, how to get LCD7 working?
Aug 29 16:04:18 <av500> neat http://lmmtfy.net/
Aug 29 16:11:41 <av500> *it* has shipped
Aug 29 16:36:33 <mranostay> av500: much use of that to come :)
Aug 29 18:24:14 <djlewis> gm oh yee quiet ones ;P
Aug 29 18:25:44 <mranostay> LOUD NOISES!
Aug 29 18:26:21 <mru> BOOM BOOM
Aug 29 18:27:36 <mranostay> this dance party sucks
Aug 29 18:28:04 <djlewis> ah, i feel so much better now with all the abundant lifeforms about  :)
Aug 29 18:29:24 * koen headdesks
Aug 29 18:29:32 <koen> "why isn't wifi working?"
Aug 29 18:29:48 <koen> step 1: use correct GPIOs in driver, check
Aug 29 18:29:54 <djlewis> casue they need exact steps..
Aug 29 18:29:58 <koen> step 2: check power, check
Aug 29 18:30:10 <koen> step 3: check is driver is loaded, oops
Aug 29 18:30:18 <_av500_> 4: check check, check
Aug 29 18:30:32 <_av500_> check czech check, check!
Aug 29 18:30:33 <djlewis> i broke my pencil lead chscking those off.
Aug 29 18:30:42 <_av500_> fscking?
Aug 29 18:31:24 <koen> mranostay: after I get wifi working the rtc change will go in as well
Aug 29 18:32:55 <mranostay> koen: cool
Aug 29 19:43:40 <_av500_> mranostay: but I am cooler!
Aug 29 19:44:42 <mranostay> prpplague: so where does mru rank on the coolest scale with your kids?
Aug 29 19:45:38 <prpplague> mranostay: he's number 2 now days
Aug 29 19:45:55 <mranostay> damn koen is 3? he needs to get his trolling up
Aug 29 19:46:51 <djlewis> put those dark trolling glasses on koen
Aug 29 19:47:15 * mru flashes UV lamp at koen 
Aug 29 19:47:31 <mranostay> can the dutch handle sunlight?
Aug 29 19:48:01 <_av500_> prpplague: \o/
Aug 29 19:53:04 <_av500_> mranostay: they can
Aug 29 19:59:26 <mranostay> i can only hope to troll to av500's level one day :P
Aug 29 20:00:37 <mru> you're still young, so there's hope for you
Aug 29 20:00:52 <woglinde> *g*
Aug 29 20:02:46 <ds2> Hmmmm
Aug 29 20:13:54 <_av500_> mru: this is for you :) http://www.designworklife.com/2012/08/29/mr-cup-helvetica-wood-letters/
Aug 29 20:27:15 <_av500_> lol: http://lwn.net/Articles/514046/
Aug 29 20:27:32 <_av500_> its like a google product, you only leatn about it when it goes away
Aug 29 20:27:38 <_av500_> learn*
Aug 29 20:32:01 <Russ> jeez, another one
Aug 29 20:32:56 <woglinde> sunos is dead
Aug 29 20:34:24 <Russ> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15207433#summary
Aug 29 20:35:03 <_av500_> woglinde: seems nobody told them
Aug 29 20:35:30 <mru> sunos was dead the day they rebranded it as solaris
Aug 29 20:37:57 <woglinde> av500 they tried another haiku
Aug 29 20:41:17 <prpplague> _av500_: ugh that picture makes me look like i weight 500lbs
Aug 29 20:42:18 <XorA> prpplague: pictures taken on juptier?
Aug 29 20:42:31 <mru> XorA: that would not alter his mass
Aug 29 20:43:42 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 29 20:43:55 <XorA> mru: weight != mass you fail physics :-D
Aug 29 20:44:23 <mru> but pounds is a measure of mass
Aug 29 20:44:29 <alan_o> ohhhh
Aug 29 20:44:35 <mru> so you fail physics
Aug 29 20:44:35 <alan_o> MRU is wrong about something
Aug 29 20:44:59 <alan_o> first time ever that I've been watching :)   but seriously, pounds is force
Aug 29 20:45:28 <alan_o> In fact, when mru and I talk, I'm usually the one wrong, so I'm way behind :)
Aug 29 20:45:30 <mru> "pounds force" is force
Aug 29 20:46:12 <mru> compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28mass%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28force%29
Aug 29 20:46:23 <alan_o> mru, yeah reading those now
Aug 29 20:47:39 <alan_o> Well, I will say... maybe this is an American vs European thing. In the US, pounds by default means force/weight. I've never even heard of the other. In science type environments it's Kg for mass and N (sometimes lbs) for force.
Aug 29 20:48:08 <mru> and since he didn't qualify the pounds further, I take the liberty of interpreting it as I please
Aug 29 20:48:33 <mru> alan_o: by what measure do you buy, say, sugar?
Aug 29 20:48:34 <alan_o> okok fine.... you'll have to be wrong another day then.....
Aug 29 20:50:16 <mru> pounds, no?
Aug 29 20:50:18 <XorA> alan_o: well he said weight and he is american, read as you wish :-D
Aug 29 20:50:35 <alan_o> mru, we buy food by pound, in a grocery store, usually estimated in the produce section for example, by use of a spring scale, then weighed at the register by something built into the checkout system.
Aug 29 20:51:16 <mru> but you'd expect all 1lb bags of sugar to contain the same _mass_, no?
Aug 29 20:51:30 <mru> and what if you use a balance to measure it?
Aug 29 20:51:35 <alan_o> mru, so to answer your question, I don't know what is actually being measured at checkout. Weight I'd say is most likely
Aug 29 20:51:54 <alan_o> mru, yeah, that's the thing, most devices don't measure mass.
Aug 29 20:52:30 <alan_o> mru, so I don't know exactly on a bag of sugar. You buy by the pound or ounce, no doubt, but the bag does also have kg on it.
Aug 29 20:52:41 <alan_o> maybe it is pound-mass
Aug 29 20:52:41 <mru> but back to the original observation, of a person's weight and mass, only the mass can be estimated from a photograph
Aug 29 20:53:01 <mru> kg is _always_ mass
Aug 29 20:53:13 <woglinde> weight?
Aug 29 20:53:55 <alan_o> mru: clearly so. but since we all live on the same planet (I think?) there is a common, while maybe scientifically inaccurate, lay-conversation-diction conversion between weight and mass.
Aug 29 20:54:16 <djlewis> heavy reading
Aug 29 20:54:28 <woglinde> is the weight the same on northpole?
Aug 29 20:54:29 <alan_o> and by conversion I mean an equivalence drawn between mass and weight at sea level.
Aug 29 20:54:56 <alan_o> woglinde: clearly not, and clearly not on Everest, but can you tell me the percentage difference?
Aug 29 20:55:08 <woglinde> 3 mm
Aug 29 20:55:26 <alan_o> woglinde: which is why I say scientifically-inaccurate
Aug 29 20:55:37 <alan_o> woglinde: but close
Aug 29 20:55:42 <woglinde> depends
Aug 29 20:55:44 <alan_o> woglinde: not sure what 3mm means.
Aug 29 20:55:55 <woglinde> sure you have only inches
Aug 29 20:56:03 <XorA> inches rules
Aug 29 20:56:10 <XorA> stupid metric system
Aug 29 20:56:24 <woglinde> *g*
Aug 29 20:56:31 <alan_o> woglinde: do you mean 3 millimeters? The question was percentage difference in weight at north pole vs Everest.
Aug 29 20:56:45 <XorA> although UK still needs to educate USA on the size of a pint
Aug 29 20:56:57 <woglinde> alan_o not my problem you can not interpred it
Aug 29 20:57:27 <alan_o> woglinde: that's why I asked for clarification? I'm not trying be a jerk, I promise
Aug 29 20:57:28 <_av500_> stop saying inches, it will wake ds2
Aug 29 20:57:55 <woglinde> hm looks like I got alan_o
Aug 29 20:58:07 <woglinde> av500 pint of beer?
Aug 29 20:58:08 <alan_o> I don't know what's happening here
Aug 29 20:58:34 <woglinde> alan_o thats good me neither
Aug 29 20:58:42 <alan_o> hah
Aug 29 20:58:45 <alan_o> ok, "got"
Aug 29 20:58:47 <alan_o> yes.....
Aug 29 20:58:50 <alan_o> reeled me in.
Aug 29 22:02:43 <trelane> dammit I joined here 2 days ago to gripe about how hard the watchdog is to set up on the beaglebone, but those jerks made it so easy I never needed help.  Thanks jkridner__!
Aug 29 22:03:00 <jkridner__> hehe
Aug 29 22:03:01 <trelane> ^^^ probably saved me 6 hours and lots of alleive
Aug 29 22:03:16 <jkridner__> :-D
Aug 29 22:03:52 <trelane> what's fun is I can stick non-fatal tests (stuff that doesn't crash the bone) in a bash script, like "can I still ping things?" and force a backup of the ramdisk so that there's no lost data
Aug 29 22:04:16 <trelane> still not running OE though :)
Aug 29 22:06:14 <trelane> http://lan.trelane.net/graphs.html
Aug 29 22:06:47 <trelane> ^^^ sensor logging on the bone with RRDtool
Aug 29 22:07:16 <jkridner__> cool.
Aug 29 22:07:59 <trelane> hopefully next week it won't be synthetic.  Hoping to have sensors monitoring real stuff.
Aug 29 22:08:21 <trelane> I'll write an alarm/notice bit, and will be exporting data to JSON for ZenOSS
Aug 29 22:10:15 <trelane> anyway gotta run
Aug 29 22:10:45 <woglinde> problem with sotck rrd file you can not read 32bit on 64bit and vice versa
Aug 29 22:55:11 <cwicks> good morning beagleboard!
Aug 29 22:59:01 <mranostay> saying hi to a object?
Aug 29 23:00:00 <weserg> I am trying to setup a cross compile environment for angstrom on the beagle bone using the "Building Angstrom" directions.  When I attempt gcc-cross it dies on gettext.  Any pointers on where to look?
Aug 29 23:08:05 <mru> mranostay: it's all about object orientation these days, didn't you hear?
Aug 29 23:09:20 * scubasonar resists the urge to make a joke about magnet orientation
Aug 29 23:15:24 <ds2> maybe that board has special DSP firmware
Aug 29 23:40:20 <mranostay> av500: german american flag? :)
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