**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 07 02:59:59 2012
Sep 07 06:12:11 <Chainz> Hello anyone handled USER LED in beaglebone in ANDROID platform.?
Sep 07 06:14:02 <Chainz> I wanna blink the BB USER LED when mmc is processing
Sep 07 06:15:15 * mranostay facepalms
Sep 07 06:15:28 <mranostay> google it!
Sep 07 06:16:38 <Chainz> ya already searched but not get info about it
Sep 07 06:16:49 <Chainz> no one tried this till now
Sep 07 06:17:21 * mranostay raises eyebrow
Sep 07 06:18:15 <ds2> try a better search engine
Sep 07 06:18:39 <Chainz> @ds2 thats why i come here
Sep 07 06:18:58 <Chainz> its beaglebone technical chat na.?
Sep 07 06:19:13 <ds2> when did this become a search engine?
Sep 07 06:19:34 <mranostay> ds2: you going to E-ELC?
Sep 07 06:19:47 <ds2> mranostay: no. no $$ for that sort of thing
Sep 07 06:20:25 <mranostay> er they remade Red Dawn?
Sep 07 06:20:49 <ds2> ?
Sep 07 06:21:15 <mranostay> loaded up a Youtube video and saw that trailer
Sep 07 06:21:37 <ds2> blah
Sep 07 06:22:07 <mranostay> heh North Koreans are the bad guys this time
Sep 07 06:22:34 <ds2> isn't there an accuracy issue there?
Sep 07 06:22:54 <mranostay> as they have no damn resources to attack us? :)
Sep 07 06:23:18 <ds2> as in their stuff might have issues hitting the broadside of a barn?
Sep 07 06:23:39 <mranostay> heh yeah i think it may get halfway to Hawaii :)
Sep 07 06:24:08 <ds2> sure that'd be hawaii? not easter island or somewhere in the water/
Sep 07 06:24:42 <mranostay> not to mention we would knock them back to the stone age... er wait :)
Sep 07 06:25:17 <ds2> back? ;)
Sep 07 06:26:32 <mranostay> i thought of doing a vacation there
Sep 07 06:26:50 <mranostay> but i'd probably do something stupid and get myself shot :)
Sep 07 06:49:55 * mranostay votes for E-ELC 2013 to be in Amsterdam :)
Sep 07 08:18:43 <av500> mranostay: Munich
Sep 07 08:22:58 <woglinde> hi av500
Sep 07 08:31:34 <LetoThe2nd> \o/ munich
Sep 07 08:32:08 <woglinde> nuermberg
Sep 07 08:32:11 <woglinde> args
Sep 07 08:34:54 <av500> ho woglinde
Sep 07 08:34:54 <LetoThe2nd> argc, argv
Sep 07 08:37:49 <woglinde> String[] args
Sep 07 08:37:54 <woglinde> there you go
Sep 07 08:38:02 <kaio_> thurbad☺ checked, local acrylic supplier sells A4 3mm thick perspex US$3.xx each
Sep 07 08:39:35 <thurbad> nice, will they cut to size?
Sep 07 08:39:56 <kaio_> thurbad☺ they said anything smaller than that I have to cut it by myself
Sep 07 08:40:11 <kaio_> he said normal round saw can do
Sep 07 08:40:19 <kaio_> and send that
Sep 07 08:40:21 <kaio_> sand
Sep 07 08:41:01 <kaio_> thurbad☺ so a sheet can make a A5 "case" with max 9" LCD on top of that.
Sep 07 08:41:44 <thurbad> yeah, I'm all thumbs and would probably scratch it all up
Sep 07 08:42:28 <kaio_> I just wish they can do angle rounding for me... but no
Sep 07 08:51:36 <vadmeste> Hello everybody. I bought a beagle board XM. I plugged the serial port with the power supply 5v (5v with 1000 mA) and I am not able to get the serial output. Do you think that 1000 mA is too low to power my board ?
Sep 07 08:54:43 <thurbad> 1A should be plenty
Sep 07 08:55:11 <thurbad> do you have the the terminal configured properly?
Sep 07 08:55:40 <jonand_> vadmeste: "I plugged the serial port with the power supply" ??
Sep 07 08:55:50 <vadmeste> jonand_: sorry for my english anyway
Sep 07 08:56:01 <jonand_> vadmeste: ok, just checking..
Sep 07 08:56:17 <vadmeste> thurbad: but I just read here http://beagleboard.org/peripheral that the board needs at least 1200 mA
Sep 07 08:57:10 <vadmeste> thurbad: when I plug the usb cable, I can get the output
Sep 07 08:57:17 <vadmeste> so I guess that it is properly configured
Sep 07 08:57:47 <thurbad> usb power is only .5A
Sep 07 08:57:54 <ogra_> per port
Sep 07 09:05:22 <vadmeste> thurbad: yes I know.. and I got a kernel panic. I read that I need an external power supply but it seems that my power jack provides only 1000mA...
Sep 07 09:05:49 <vadmeste> but now, I have only a red light and no output via serial port
Sep 07 09:06:01 <thurbad> but you should at least get something
Sep 07 09:06:22 <thurbad> red is an over voltage warning, isn't it?
Sep 07 09:07:05 <vadmeste> thurbad: don't know :o
Sep 07 09:07:33 <thurbad> you're sure it's 5V regulated?
Sep 07 09:08:43 <woglinde> red is bad
Sep 07 09:09:27 <vrb> how about http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/JellybeanOnBeagleboard_WithSGX
Sep 07 09:10:34 <woglinde> if you need it
Sep 07 09:10:47 <vrb> sorry wrong window!
Sep 07 09:14:31 <vadmeste> thurbad: I am using this one http://www.elak.be/product/details/velleman/adapters-&-power-supplies/psse510/M640E022
Sep 07 09:15:39 <kaio_> My test was USB will make kernel panic
Sep 07 09:15:43 <thurbad> hmm, maybe the polarity is backwards.. something is obviously wrong if you're gettinga red light
Sep 07 09:15:50 <kaio_> and I am using 2A supply all time
Sep 07 09:16:52 <woglinde> kaio yes musb is bad ass
Sep 07 09:17:15 <thurbad> well it's both of those, but not in that order
Sep 07 09:17:15 <woglinde> kaio you need a kernel with an buildin gadet driver
Sep 07 09:17:27 <woglinde> and the panics will go away
Sep 07 09:17:51 <kaio_> I just want to make my bbxm outputs DVI on Fedora...
Sep 07 09:17:58 <kaio_> Ubuntu worked, not Fedora...
Sep 07 09:18:00 <thurbad> better to just get the proper barrel adapter IMO
Sep 07 09:18:35 <thurbad> ugh fedora on an embedded processor, ubuntu is bad enough :P
Sep 07 09:18:58 <woglinde> breaking bad fedora?
Sep 07 09:19:01 <woglinde> no thanks
Sep 07 09:19:24 <woglinde> at least the learned something and delayed the last release because of brokeness
Sep 07 09:19:56 <thurbad> unless you can't afford a desktop why would you put fedora on a beagleboard?
Sep 07 09:20:11 <thurbad> the price thing I can understand
Sep 07 09:20:28 <thurbad> no insult intended BTW
Sep 07 09:20:38 <thurbad> I'll leavethose to av500
Sep 07 09:23:45 <kaio_> thurbad☺ I am used to the admin workflow of that.
Sep 07 09:24:29 <thurbad> fair enough...
Sep 07 09:24:48 <kaio_> thurbad☺ i dont need to get gnome/xfce works even, just let me to use an individual LCD to admin.. not serial/ssh/vnc, etc.
Sep 07 09:25:31 <kaio_> ubuntu config like alien to me
Sep 07 09:30:37 <bizulk> Hi ! I'am searching a "working" git repo for my beableboard xM - I used this one "https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel" but Iam experience trouble kernel crashes when calling omap_prm_read_mod_reg
Sep 07 09:31:28 <av500> thurbad: insult? why would I?
Sep 07 09:31:40 <thurbad> heh
Sep 07 09:33:16 <bizulk> here are the kernel logs : pastebin.com/iUF52j9d
Sep 07 09:43:15 <koen> bizulk: try one of the other branches
Sep 07 09:59:23 <dwery> koen: hi. I saw some graphs of yours regarding temperature.. what library are you using to generate them?
Sep 07 10:00:12 <bizulk> help
Sep 07 10:00:48 <bizulk> koen I did use the patch you have written (does it apply now ony to beaglebone ?).
Sep 07 10:01:52 <bizulk> I mean the script patches.sh
Sep 07 10:07:34 <koen> dwery: stock cosm for the weatherstation stuff
Sep 07 10:10:00 <Chainz> Hello anyone handled USER LED in beaglebone in ANDROID platform.?, I wanna blink the BB USER LED when mmc is processing
Sep 07 10:14:20 <dwery> koen: ty
Sep 07 11:08:49 <beaglenrique> hello
Sep 07 11:09:10 <beaglenrique> somebody can help with beaglebone and can bus??
Sep 07 11:53:19 <bradfa> Anyone with device tree experience (as I have little), is the arch/arm/mach-omap2/mux33xx.c (and other mux files in that dir) from PSP (and older) kernels going away in favor of device tree?
Sep 07 11:54:07 <mru> iiuc, DT is mostly supposed to replace the board-*.c files and whatever exists only for their benefit
Sep 07 11:54:45 <bradfa> mru, that's what I thought.  So then the muxXXXX.c files will still exist listing all the mux possibilities for each SoC?
Sep 07 11:56:03 <mru> can dt provide the same information?
Sep 07 11:57:11 <bradfa> mru, that's kind of _MY_ question... :)
Sep 07 11:58:17 <koen> bradfa: google for pinctrl
Sep 07 11:58:43 <koen> bradfa: example: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/beaglebone-3.6/patches/pinctrl/0003-arm-dts-AM33XX-Configure-pinmuxs-for-user-leds-contr.patch
Sep 07 11:59:24 <bradfa> koen, ah! many thanks!  I saw patches like that on linux-omap list but wasn't sure exactly what they were doing as I was missing some context.
Sep 07 12:16:38 <av500> koen: wow, magic numbers
Sep 07 12:16:53 <av500> wtf is 44e10800?
Sep 07 12:19:50 <mru> context?
Sep 07 12:22:04 <av500> mru: the above url
Sep 07 12:23:47 <mru> it's the address of a pin mux register
Sep 07 12:25:27 <mru> conf_gpmc_ad0
Sep 07 12:26:12 <koen> av500: yes, that was my complaint as well
Sep 07 12:26:21 <koen> av500: broonie advocated a DT preprocessor
Sep 07 12:26:37 <koen> av500: same idea with keycodes, you need to know that 0x27 is KEY_POWER
Sep 07 12:28:58 <av500> koen: you know, there was one preprocessor
Sep 07 12:29:07 <av500> part of gcc
Sep 07 14:05:22 <angs> Hi, is it possible to set an external source's ground as the board's ground?
Sep 07 14:05:58 <jacekowski> yeah
Sep 07 14:06:33 <angs> could you tell me where I can find an instruction how to do it?
Sep 07 14:06:51 <jacekowski> with a wire and soldering iron
Sep 07 14:07:36 <angs> if I plug the ground of the external source into GPIO pin 27 or 28, would it be set by itself?
Sep 07 14:08:07 <angs> do I need to configure something in the software?
Sep 07 14:09:40 <jacekowski> ahm
Sep 07 14:09:43 <jacekowski> that kind of thing
Sep 07 14:09:58 <jacekowski> ground it on power supply side of things
Sep 07 14:10:10 <jacekowski> and make sure that you are not creating ground loops somewhere
Sep 07 14:12:36 <angs> do you mean the holes in the edge parts of the board?
Sep 07 14:34:35 <jacekowski> no
Sep 07 14:35:09 <jacekowski> angs: i think ##electronics will be a better channel to ask those questions
Sep 07 14:35:18 <jacekowski> angs: as it's not really bb specific
Sep 07 14:36:06 <angs> jacekowski: thank you, I will ask it on that room
Sep 07 14:37:58 <koen> alan_o: mmc is working now
Sep 07 15:18:28 <mdp> koen, note that I didn't add crossbar support yet, so mmc3 will not work (wl12xx on some boards)
Sep 07 15:22:46 <koen> it's mmc2 on the wifi cape :)
Sep 07 15:22:54 * koen wonders about DT for wl12xx-sdio
Sep 07 15:25:33 <mdp> koen, wificape++ then ;)
Sep 07 15:28:52 <mdp> koen, so few people care about the evm here anyway
Sep 07 15:36:37 <koen> mdp: I'm not convinced that pinctrl is actually enabled, so the wifi cape probably wouldn't work
Sep 07 15:38:28 <mdp> well, at least that's not my department ;)
Sep 07 16:45:26 <alan_o> koen: Nice on the MMC.
Sep 07 16:45:41 <alan_o> koen: I ran against net-next from 2 days ago and it's working well also.
Sep 07 17:10:47 <nrc> hello everybody
Sep 07 17:12:44 <jkridner_> hi john3909
Sep 07 17:13:22 <jkridner_> was there any magic in building cloud9 for node 0.8.9 on Beagle?
Sep 07 17:16:26 <nrc> I've just plugged in my newly arrived beaglebone and I have a little problem: I plugged a usb drive on usb host port but nothing appears on dmesg, I also tried with an usb xbee stick and a keyboard, but nothing happened. Do I miss something, or maybe is a hardware problem?
Sep 07 17:16:42 <john3909> jkridner_: let me get you that info
Sep 07 17:18:14 <john3909> jkridner_: url = https://github.com/TooTallNate/node.git
Sep 07 17:18:28 <john3909> jkridner_: user the pi branch
Sep 07 17:19:12 <john3909> jkridner_: standard ./configure, make, make install
Sep 07 17:20:27 <john3909> jkridner_: You also have to define CC, AR, LD, as the standard CROSS_COMPILE doesn't do everything. ARCH=arm
Sep 07 17:32:48 <mranostay> heh
Sep 07 17:32:53 <alan_o> so ELC-E people, are any of you going to this VIP dinner? I remember some discussion about it. And I remember scoffing.....
Sep 07 17:33:16 <alan_o> something about people in suits......
Sep 07 17:33:42 <mru> do you feel like paying for the privilege (?) of mingling with people in suits?
Sep 07 17:33:56 <alan_o> I've only seen one guy in a suit at ELC
Sep 07 17:34:26 <alan_o> Depends on the definition of VIP
Sep 07 17:34:36 <mru> some people are suits even when they do not physically wear one
Sep 07 17:34:37 <mranostay> i don't trust people in suits :)
Sep 07 17:35:20 <alan_o> From the ELC crowd, I'd say the VIP's are the Greg K-H's, Arnd Bergmann's, and Mike Anderson's
Sep 07 17:35:36 <alan_o> In that case, sure.
Sep 07 17:35:52 <alan_o> In the case of suits, pass, and I'll hang out with the hackers.
Sep 07 17:36:04 <mru> mike anderson does not really belong in that crowd, unless you're talking about a different one
Sep 07 17:36:14 <alan_o> Keynote from ELC SF
Sep 07 17:36:27 <alan_o> I thought I got his name right.....
Sep 07 17:36:29 <mru> he's all hot air
Sep 07 17:36:43 <dm8tbr> mranostay: don't trust me then. (just as an example)
Sep 07 17:36:54 <alan_o> Think so? I like him. Had several good conversations with him.
Sep 07 17:39:30 <mru> try discussing something deeply technical
Sep 07 17:40:09 <mru> we're talking about the fat guy from PTR Group or something like that, right?
Sep 07 17:40:39 <alan_o> He's a heavy guy. Yes from PTR.
Sep 07 17:41:18 <alan_o> Well, to each his own. It takes all kinds, they say. I think there are people we can learn from, even if they aren't exactly the same type of hacker we are.
Sep 07 17:41:54 <alan_o> I actually find it refreshing to have conversations about things other than what I talk about all the time.
Sep 07 17:42:20 <mru> sure, as do I
Sep 07 17:42:34 <mru> but I don't give presentations at conferences on topics I clearly know nothing about
Sep 07 17:43:06 <mru> his talk at ELC 2011 was so full of misinformation it wasn't even funny
Sep 07 17:43:27 <mru> maybe he's better off giving keynotes
Sep 07 17:43:35 <mru> nobody expects them to have any real content anyway
Sep 07 17:43:37 <alan_o> He's a guy who knows about a lot of different stuff, rather than knowing all the way to the bottom of one thing. I liked his talk because it got me thinking about things which I don't often think about. Apparently you had a different reaction. It takes all kinds. Anyway, I didn't want to get into a whole thing about it.
Sep 07 17:44:26 <mru> it struck me as odd to mention him alongside greg and arnd
Sep 07 17:44:39 <mru> they are in a completely different league
Sep 07 17:45:35 <alan_o> They're quite different, no doubt about it. I was trying to compile a list of people I like who seem to be heavy hitters.
Sep 07 17:47:10 <alan_o> I pretty much assume everyone at those conferences knows far more than I do.
Sep 07 17:47:55 <alan_o> I think that's a trap though. People talk about what they know, and it's easy to start to apply collective knowledge to everyone you see. Human nature I suppose, maybe it's just me.
Sep 07 17:49:58 <john3909> jkridner_: I posted the answer to what you need to build cloud9 on v0.8.9 on #cloud9ide
Sep 07 17:50:00 <mranostay> mru: you have no tact :)
Sep 07 17:50:19 <mru> mranostay: I call it being honest
Sep 07 17:50:24 <alan_o> I remember reading about a psych experiment where one person was told to interview another person about whatever the interviewing person wanted. So clearly they'd ask about stuff they knew, but not what the interviewee would know. Afterward they asked both what they though of the other. The interviewees thought the interviewers were smart, and the interviewers thought the interviewees were dumb. I think that happens often in real life.
Sep 07 17:51:01 <alan_o> should have re-read that.... Too many pronouns.
Sep 07 17:52:01 <mru> I don't have much faith in such experiments, but you have a point
Sep 07 17:52:47 <mranostay> so if i think my interviewer is dumb i did good? :)
Sep 07 17:53:16 <alan_o> maybe?
Sep 07 17:53:21 <alan_o> I don't know if there's a right and wrong.
Sep 07 17:54:06 <alan_o> I know how mru would respond :)
Sep 07 17:54:24 <mru> and how might that be?
Sep 07 17:54:45 <alan_o> You'd say the interviewer was dumb :)
Sep 07 17:55:05 <alan_o> That's not fair though. I shouldn't say that ....
Sep 07 17:55:34 <mru> if you think the interviewer is dumb, there are two possibilities: 1) you are much dumber than him, or 2) you are much smarter than him
Sep 07 17:56:31 * mranostay would love to be a fly on the wall of a mru interview :)
Sep 07 17:56:58 * mru makes note to bring flyswatter to future interviews
Sep 07 17:58:15 <mranostay> hehe
Sep 07 18:02:03 <mranostay> you have beer mailed to you?
Sep 07 18:02:23 <mru> you got a problem with that?
Sep 07 18:02:41 <mranostay> i never have a problem with beer :)
Sep 07 18:02:54 <mru> most of those beers are not sold in stores around here
Sep 07 18:02:59 <mranostay> i just never heard of shipping it
Sep 07 18:03:24 <mru> order online from the brewery
Sep 07 18:03:50 <mranostay> never have to leave the house :P
Sep 07 18:04:42 <mranostay> mru: what is the shipping on a 6 pack?
Sep 07 18:05:22 <mru> shipping fee is per box of 24 bottles
Sep 07 18:06:55 <mru> from brewdog, that is
Sep 07 18:07:41 <Russ> alan_o, was the guy in the suit at ELC me?
Sep 07 18:09:49 <alan_o> Russ: Don't remember you in a suit specifically. I'm not sure we met. I didn't send you an email, which means I didn't get a card, but that doesn't mean anything.....
Sep 07 18:09:59 <alan_o> The guy I remember in a suit was Gene Sally in 2011.
Sep 07 18:10:08 <alan_o> May have been a sport jacket.
Sep 07 18:11:01 <alan_o> In fact, his talk got me interested in doing 802.15.4.
Sep 07 18:11:06 <Russ> then not me
Sep 07 18:12:06 <alan_o> He gave a talk about doing zigbee, but he was using those controllers that do it all in hardware (since there's no in-kernel zigbee support) from userspace.
Sep 07 18:15:51 <mranostay> ok i think i was in that
Sep 07 18:16:12 <mranostay> Russ: what was with the suit? :)
Sep 07 18:17:12 <Russ> just trying to look professional
Sep 07 18:18:31 <ynezz> then carry rpi badge
Sep 07 18:18:47 <alan_o> Those are tough choices to make. There is fashion even in the geek world... It's just different. See, even the hardest-core among us is criticizing clothing :-D
Sep 07 18:32:08 <mranostay> the only fashion in the geek world is the lack of it
Sep 07 18:33:34 <mru> the only clothing choices I criticise are those chosen to give the impression you are something you're not
Sep 07 18:52:40 <Russ> if ((cpu_is_omap34xx() && !cpu_is_am33xx()))     o_O
Sep 07 18:58:23 <woglinde> russ openfirmware for the win
Sep 07 18:59:44 <Russ> the extra parens are there just to be really sure
Sep 07 19:00:09 <woglinde> ah okay
Sep 07 19:03:57 <mdp> Russ, there's plenty of those left upstream too...conveniently changed to soc_is_am33xx() to protect the innocent
Sep 07 19:10:22 <woglinde> mdp its about the double parens
Sep 07 19:10:36 <mdp> more cowbell
Sep 07 19:18:45 * Russ spends some time looking at gpio registers and then decides to get lunch
Sep 07 19:19:28 <mranostay> woglinde: more is better right?
Sep 07 19:20:21 <mranostay> at least that what i got out my last job interview :P
Sep 07 19:21:12 <mru> was that for a lisp position?
Sep 07 19:23:02 <mranostay> god people can really eff up a u-boot config
Sep 07 19:23:21 <mru> god people? like priests and such?
Sep 07 19:25:27 <mranostay> put a comma ^
Sep 07 19:38:49 <woglinde> mranostay what was the job description?
Sep 07 19:40:36 <prpplague> woglinde: "work closely with long handled floor cleaning utilities and liquid clean solution transportation equipment"
Sep 07 19:41:48 <woglinde> prpplague hm so was the human resources guy
Sep 07 19:41:51 <woglinde> +you
Sep 07 19:42:19 <prpplague> woglinde: hehe
Sep 07 21:15:16 <john3909> jkridner_: ping
Sep 07 21:45:04 <_av500_> prpplague: pong
Sep 07 21:45:11 <_av500_> prpplague: we got that ram config
Sep 07 21:45:17 <_av500_> ping me monday
Sep 07 21:45:48 <prpplague> _av500_: do you have a good u-boot emif/lisa configuration?
Sep 07 21:47:12 <woglinde> lisa?
Sep 07 21:47:32 <_av500_> simson?
Sep 07 21:47:53 <_av500_> prpplague: i found your part number in our boot loader code
Sep 07 21:48:06 <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
Sep 07 21:48:08 <_av500_> so it means we used that ram part
Sep 07 21:48:16 <_av500_> ill ask on monday about it
Sep 07 21:48:22 <_av500_> the ram guy was away today
Sep 07 21:48:23 <prpplague> _av500_: ok thanks
Sep 07 21:48:31 <_av500_> ping me lest i forget
Sep 07 21:48:38 <prpplague> _av500_: will do
Sep 07 21:48:58 <_av500_> k
Sep 07 21:49:11 <_av500_> elce is all booked and registered
Sep 07 21:49:21 <prpplague> _av500_: dandy!
Sep 07 21:49:25 <mru> woglinde: Local Interconnect and Synchronization Agent
Sep 07 21:50:32 <mru> sits between pat and robin
Sep 07 23:29:15 <alan_o> ugh
Sep 07 23:29:42 <alan_o> went out for a run. Got 200 feet out and it started pouring rain
Sep 07 23:31:54 <mru> that's to motivate you to run faster
Sep 07 23:46:58 <alan_o> mru: it should, but instead it motivated me to come inside and hack
Sep 07 23:49:01 * mranostay steals a beer from mru 
Sep 08 00:03:54 * mranostay steals a another beer from mru 
Sep 08 00:07:25 * mru puts a padlock on his fridge
Sep 08 00:07:54 * mranostay buys a part of boltcutters
Sep 08 00:08:00 <mranostay> *pair
Sep 08 00:08:58 * mru gets an armoured fridge, the kind banks keep volatile currency in
Sep 08 00:15:00 <mranostay> i doubt they keep it at 10C :)
Sep 08 00:16:05 <mru> not in greece, no
Sep 08 00:25:38 <ds2> they have currency to keep in greece?
Sep 08 00:28:44 <mru> maybe they would, had they kept it properly cooled
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