**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 02:59:58 2012 Sep 21 03:04:54 damn hw people :) Sep 21 05:20:35 * mranostay pokes _av500_ Sep 21 05:50:10 hmmm Sep 21 05:58:09 get yer router going? Sep 21 05:58:32 ka6sox: ^^ Sep 21 06:04:54 <_av500_> mranostay: wazzup? Sep 21 06:06:14 op? geez aren't we powerful? :) Sep 21 06:06:18 hmmmmm Sep 21 06:06:24 _av500_: so how is FRA Sep 21 06:06:53 looking at flights that and CDG are my only affordable options Sep 21 06:06:59 and i ******* hate CDG Sep 21 06:07:03 CDG? Sep 21 06:07:23 paris Sep 21 06:07:37 ah Charlie Sep 21 06:08:26 <_av500_> cdg is awesome Sep 21 06:08:33 really? Sep 21 06:08:40 <_av500_> :) Sep 21 06:08:58 <_av500_> no Sep 21 06:09:01 <_av500_> fra is more awesome Sep 21 06:09:07 <_av500_> because its 20min from here :) Sep 21 06:09:32 not my point Sep 21 06:09:43 it is about 12 hours from here :) Sep 21 06:10:24 if i had a flight with a two hour layover can i get through security to my next flight? Sep 21 06:10:43 <_av500_> youd be in transit Sep 21 06:10:51 <_av500_> not sure you do security again Sep 21 06:10:59 <_av500_> never did that in cdg Sep 21 06:11:06 ok AMS did Sep 21 06:11:10 even for inbound from outside of EU? Sep 21 06:11:32 <_av500_> the beaty of fra is that most flights are direct :) Sep 21 06:11:48 <_av500_> i rarely had layovers ever Sep 21 06:13:00 <_av500_> most eu airports are final destinations for me Sep 21 06:13:28 _av500_: you never have to visit ur CM's? Sep 21 06:13:40 i am so going to be jet lagged for my talk :) Sep 21 06:13:43 lhr is nice like that too Sep 21 06:13:46 *so jet lagged Sep 21 06:13:55 <_av500_> ds2: not me Sep 21 06:13:59 <_av500_> others yes Sep 21 06:14:06 <_av500_> still, flights to HK are direct too Sep 21 06:14:41 _av500_: Hildesheim Kindergarten? Sep 21 06:14:54 mranostay: what are you talking about again? Sep 21 06:15:14 Beaglebone, telemetry, yadada Sep 21 06:15:46 is that where you tell people how you notify others by using a hammer on the bone? ;) Sep 21 06:17:45 first slot... so less time for pressure :) Sep 21 06:19:50 emeb_mac, BRICK Sep 21 06:21:06 ka6sox: D'oh! Sep 21 06:22:21 new router arrived about 10mins ago...I am reloading Sep 21 06:22:36 you got to drive it out there? Sep 21 06:22:41 ka6sox: no jtag? Sep 21 06:22:59 mranostay, its 200miles away Sep 21 06:23:52 lets see whether I can get to anything. Sep 21 06:24:49 emeb_mac, no, they went and got another and I am restoring it. Sep 21 06:25:11 woodworking? Sep 21 06:25:36 I hope not! Sep 21 06:26:09 trying to run a wood router from 200 miles away. Keeps the dust off you at least. Sep 21 06:26:11 okay...importer, exporter, matrix, and remote all work..processor not responding :P...never does. Sep 21 06:27:23 why would anyone in this day and age use telnet for a remote gui transport :P Sep 21 06:27:36 glurp! Sep 21 06:28:22 CNC works fine 200miles away Sep 21 06:28:37 what kind of router? Sep 21 06:29:11 I threw in a D-link (its what I could get) Sep 21 06:29:33 out in the Desert you dont' have many choices. Sep 21 06:29:50 run to the nearest bestbuy? Sep 21 06:30:09 ooooh like that Sep 21 06:30:17 no crisco stuff Sep 21 06:30:22 ya, that was the best choice... Sep 21 06:30:28 best buy? the devil.... Sep 21 06:30:33 its still 40miles to the nearest beast buy Sep 21 06:31:04 where in the desert is this? Sep 21 06:31:14 Indio Area. Sep 21 06:31:20 oooooh there Sep 21 06:31:31 Fort Stinking Desert :D Sep 21 06:31:49 isn't there stuff in the redlands? Sep 21 06:31:53 okay I have positive control... Sep 21 06:31:59 I hear that Salton is drying up - stinks like crazy. Sep 21 06:32:00 thats 75miles away Sep 21 06:32:07 yes, its awful Sep 21 06:32:16 the fishkill is very bad this year Sep 21 06:32:28 75?. didn't seem that far on I10 Sep 21 06:32:40 ya, its further than you think. Sep 21 06:32:52 + a 20mile 4X4 road. Sep 21 06:33:10 hmmm sounds fun Sep 21 06:33:17 ds2 loves 4x4 travel Sep 21 06:33:18 what agency owns that road? Sep 21 06:33:20 okay I'm "legal" for the night...I can control everything... Sep 21 06:33:22 BLM Sep 21 06:33:36 isn't that one of those BLM is trying to close? Sep 21 06:33:43 yes Sep 21 06:33:48 but they can't Sep 21 06:33:48 sigh Sep 21 06:34:10 why not? don't they dictate the "Designated Routes"? Sep 21 06:34:21 emeb_mac: 4x4 is fun! Sep 21 06:34:24 only one route to this place... Sep 21 06:34:35 that doesn't seem to stop them Sep 21 06:34:48 nope Sep 21 06:34:48 only thing i have from Worst But is my mac. since that overpriced already :P Sep 21 06:35:01 ds2: only ever did it once. Jerome to Williams via Sycamore Cyn. Sep 21 06:35:21 emeb_mac: in what kind of vehicle? Sep 21 06:35:28 ds2: Jeep Sep 21 06:35:55 the inclinometer in the vehicle for this trip is about 47deg Sep 21 06:36:08 don't roll it! Sep 21 06:36:12 side to side or front to back? Sep 21 06:36:17 f/b Sep 21 06:36:32 sounds fun Sep 21 06:36:35 got winch? Sep 21 06:36:40 and house jack Sep 21 06:37:07 is house jack same as a those off road/farm jacks? Sep 21 06:37:11 yes Sep 21 06:37:27 that and PSP Sep 21 06:37:41 what Sep 21 06:37:47 <_av500_> -> #cowboys Sep 21 06:37:47 sure this a road not some trail that someone blazed ? Sep 21 06:38:00 no, this is the "offical" road... Sep 21 06:38:02 bushwhacking! Sep 21 06:38:39 official enough to show up in the DAGs? Sep 21 06:38:54 Someone needs to take _av500_ out 4wheeling in the SW some day. Sep 21 06:39:07 not really...some surface mining operation threw up fences across the road :P Sep 21 06:39:35 Moab Sep 21 06:39:46 official == public right of way, right? Sep 21 06:40:03 I have a BLM key... Sep 21 06:40:31 heard the rangers just carry bolt cutters Sep 21 06:40:32 the public would kill themselves on this hill. Sep 21 06:40:40 heheeh Sep 21 06:42:09 only time I used my winch was with an anchor when I got caught in a flash flood. Sep 21 06:42:15 blm key? Sep 21 06:42:34 Bureau of Land Manglement Sep 21 06:42:54 is this also the same place they want to do the wind/solar farm? Sep 21 06:43:09 thats further west... Sep 21 06:43:22 tonight when they left it was blazing at 45MPH Sep 21 06:43:25 average. Sep 21 06:43:26 some groups are making a ruckus about that Sep 21 06:43:41 * emeb_mac noticed some solar going up between the turbines in Palm Springs last time. Sep 21 06:43:41 the Horny Toad folks. Sep 21 06:44:14 not just that... some groups are complaining about road closures as a result of that Sep 21 06:44:18 heh conductive paint "Bare Paint is not meant for use on skin!" Sep 21 06:44:19 and what appeared to be some peaking gas generators off in the distance. Sep 21 06:44:35 they are Sep 21 06:45:10 the solution here is to bring back cross country travel ;) Sep 21 06:45:19 HOMEYD Sep 21 06:45:25 whoops. Sep 21 06:45:27 ? Sep 21 06:45:41 focus should follow eyes Sep 21 06:45:54 logging into the Satellite Receiver Sep 21 06:46:07 emeb_mac: been driving out on 10? Sep 21 06:46:43 ds2: yep - was out to SB a few months back. Stopped in to see ka6sox Sep 21 06:47:20 then was up to OR in Aug via 10 -> 5 Sep 21 06:47:22 he was so close I walked Sep 21 06:47:47 http://goo.gl/maps/0mQiP Sep 21 06:47:57 Solar + Peaking plants Sep 21 06:48:01 that Motel 6 had really spacey interior decor. Sep 21 06:48:29 Mmmmm 10 to 5 Sep 21 06:48:46 emeb_mac: how many hours to cross from 10 to 5? Sep 21 06:49:05 @ rush hour? hours Sep 21 06:49:29 rush hour there is 0500-2359, isn't it? Sep 21 06:49:40 ds2: we go 10 -> 210 -> 5. Sep 21 06:49:52 hehehe Sep 21 06:50:06 usually takes us about 20 hrs to go PHX to Eugene, OR Sep 21 06:50:22 20hr?! Sep 21 06:50:25 you drive fast Sep 21 06:50:37 heh - plus very few stops. Sep 21 06:50:46 Banzai! Sep 21 06:50:52 about 1300 miles. Sep 21 06:51:00 PHX - SJC is like 12hrs for me Sep 21 06:51:13 geez you are slow Sep 21 06:51:34 ds2: sounds about right. We hit the south Bay fairly often. Sep 21 06:51:49 suppose it depends on what part of phoenix and what part of san jose Sep 21 06:51:51 to be fair, I do 10 -> 95 -> 40 -> 58 -> 5 Sep 21 06:52:10 never gone that way. Sep 21 06:52:27 avoid LA at all costs Sep 21 06:52:28 oh buttonwillo Sep 21 06:52:33 buttonwillow Sep 21 06:52:42 buttonwillow? Sep 21 06:53:09 Pumpkin Center Sep 21 06:53:16 yup Sep 21 06:53:26 *shrug* Sep 21 06:53:33 we've got a Punkin Center in AZ too. Sep 21 06:53:40 intersection of 5 and 58 Sep 21 06:54:08 ohhh I never pay attention to what's there Sep 21 06:54:09 Eb/N0 13.4 Sep 21 06:54:31 usually get services in barstool Sep 21 06:54:37 been going 99 from grapevine to Sacramento lately. Sep 21 06:54:53 * Russ wonders where barstool is and what it is named after Sep 21 06:54:55 the trucks on 5 are just scary Sep 21 06:55:00 Barstow Sep 21 06:55:10 :) Sep 21 06:55:17 barstool sounds like more fun Sep 21 06:55:17 trucks on 10 AZ side is scarier Sep 21 06:55:18 Intersection of 58/15/40 Sep 21 06:55:20 yeah - 99 is 3 lanes much of the way - less congested. Sep 21 06:55:35 get passed by 18wheelers doing 75 Sep 21 06:55:52 so go 80 and don't get passed? Sep 21 06:55:59 ds2, see, that's why it takes you 12 hours, speed limit is 75 and you are going under Sep 21 06:56:03 I wish I was going to be @ 58 and 395 tommorrow morning Sep 21 06:56:12 mmmm 395 Sep 21 06:56:18 where are we all going? Sep 21 06:56:22 Russ: MPG drops down to like 15mpg @ 80! Sep 21 06:56:45 mmmm 58/395 junction Sep 21 06:56:47 Russ, I'd rather be @ 58 and 14 tommorrow. Sep 21 06:56:49 does your car look like this ? |-o--o-| Sep 21 06:56:55 probably a better view Sep 21 06:57:02 we were getting 39mpg in the Civic going 75 down 5 last month. Sep 21 06:57:04 I was thinking of going to getty center Sep 21 06:57:57 I'll probably just go to VandyLand tommorrow. Sep 21 06:58:14 is that anything like dateland? Sep 21 06:58:20 emeb_mac: pickups aren't as aerodynamic Sep 21 06:58:33 Russ, no Vandenberg AFB Sep 21 06:58:35 ds2: no doubt. Sep 21 06:59:00 should get a good view...supposed to be a flyby there.. Sep 21 06:59:08 speaking of the 10, has anyone been tempted by the 'Daniel's Really Good Fresh Jerky' Sep 21 06:59:19 ka6sox: is that the first leg into CA before heading up here? Sep 21 06:59:19 heh - never. Sep 21 06:59:33 ds2, no its @ Edwards tonight Sep 21 06:59:42 then Sacto, then SF then Vandenberg Sep 21 06:59:49 addicted to deals? Sep 21 06:59:53 ah Sep 21 07:00:08 Mmmm edwards... its second home Sep 21 07:00:23 on its way to its 3rd home Sep 21 07:00:30 what is the time schedule now for it to fly into the LA area? Sep 21 07:00:33 I'd call it the graveyard Sep 21 07:00:39 true Sep 21 07:00:49 Russ, it keeps getting revised Sep 21 07:00:54 due to fog in the bay area Sep 21 07:00:56 surprise they didn't dump it outside of barstool where all the planes are Sep 21 07:01:15 our mothball it out by tucson? Sep 21 07:01:17 but last word was 0900 departure from edwards. Sep 21 07:01:18 er, or Sep 21 07:01:19 We've got something shuttle-like at Pima Air Museum. Sep 21 07:01:38 DynaSoar? Sep 21 07:01:41 don't know if it's an engineering model or what. Sep 21 07:01:43 SoCal already has a shuttle at Frys ;) Sep 21 07:02:10 maybe they will have the tracking station open tommorrow... Sep 21 07:02:18 then I'll get a closeup like I did before :D Sep 21 07:02:41 close up? thought vandenberg doesn't allow visitors Sep 21 07:03:37 they had people lining the running it looked like Sep 21 07:04:02 http://goo.gl/maps/f1j0A Sep 21 07:04:18 optical tracking site Sep 21 07:04:34 oh, that was edwards Sep 21 07:04:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGrDG63Yes Sep 21 07:05:54 when it landed @ edwards they used this site to look @ the tiles :D Sep 21 07:07:44 nothing is going to blow up while I sleep...nite! Sep 21 07:10:18 sure sure Sep 21 07:10:30 we can all dream :) Sep 21 07:33:55 koen, hi, I'm trying to build the beaglebone-3.6 kernel from git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git, using binutils-2.22 and gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.09 (I've also tried with gcc-4.7.1) but I get errors during assembling: arch/arm/boot/compressed/head.S:127: Error: selected processor does not support requested special purpose register -- `mrs r2,cpsr' Sep 21 07:34:31 koen, do you have any ideas of whats going on ? Sep 21 07:41:11 You're trying to build kernel in thumb2? Sep 21 07:43:51 Skry, I think so, CONFIG_ARM_THUMB=y, CONFIG_ARM_THUMBEE=y, CONFIG_THUMB2_KERNEL=y Sep 21 07:43:58 Skry, shouldn't I ? Sep 21 07:45:00 If you want to, guess it should result in smaller kernel, wait a sec.. Sep 21 07:46:16 haven't seen that one yet Sep 21 07:46:47 in arch/arm/boot/compressed/Makefile line 129 (or somewhere around), you need to change asflags Sep 21 07:47:37 -march=all is the cause, change to whatever your cpu is Sep 21 07:48:55 Skry, thanks, I'll try experimenting with that Sep 21 07:49:23 I guess you should set it -march=armv7-a Sep 21 07:51:36 that is, if you want to compile kernel in tumb2 mode, I would choose otherwise as there is (very) small performance hit at the price of smaller size Sep 21 07:53:11 thumb1 has the performance hit, not thumb2 Sep 21 07:53:58 Skry, at this point I would be extatic just to get it to boot :-) so if changing -march wont work for me I'll try disabling thumb2 Sep 21 07:54:03 koen: it has, something in range of 2 to 5 percents. Sep 21 07:54:48 kroon: type make V=1 to check gcc command line with option Sep 21 07:54:58 kroon: then disabling it should be the easiest method. unset CONFIG_THUMB2_KERNEL only and leave the thumb2 support on Sep 21 07:55:12 kroon: I get this when I try to compile for old arm CPU (armv4) Sep 21 07:55:39 I thought that the kernel makefile 'autoselect' the right mcpu option Sep 21 08:04:33 koen: something to back my words up and generally interesting about the topic http://elinux.org/images/8/8a/Experiment_with_Linux_and_ARM_Thumb-2_ISA.pdf Sep 21 08:14:10 Skry: thanks! Sep 21 08:14:43 np Sep 21 08:15:21 that's emberassing Sep 21 08:15:28 I think I actually attended that presentation :) Sep 21 08:15:35 :D Sep 21 08:16:38 anyone with C skills around? Sep 21 08:21:22 for varying definitions of "C skills", certainly Sep 21 08:24:30 care to help, should be simple to someone who knows what he is doing. Sep 21 08:25:01 why do you not just ask. if someone knows, he/she will probably help. Sep 21 08:26:14 it's kinda off topic, and I'm only trying to figure this out because no-one else wants to :) anyways.. Sep 21 08:27:29 It's kernel stuff, I need to call function from driver x when driver y has certain state and this should happen in board code, if someone still wants to help feel free to pm for details Sep 21 09:03:08 Skry, kernel builds with the suggested change, thanks Sep 21 09:03:54 still no booting kernel though, but lets test some more.. Sep 21 09:14:17 kroon: just disable thumb2 kernel compilation, it's not worth the trouble Sep 21 09:15:20 goes for t2 in general Sep 21 09:21:35 it's beneficial with resource limited devices but generally don't see a point in using one. Sep 21 09:22:56 you save 10% code size, 20% if you're lucky Sep 21 09:23:20 most apps use more data than code Sep 21 09:23:46 it makes some sense for microcontrollers Sep 21 09:27:02 in real life i've found it makes a big difference on my N900 (which has repo for thumb2 compiled binaries) Sep 21 09:27:47 what kind of difference? Sep 21 09:28:45 more free memory (not much but enough to make a difference) Sep 21 09:28:58 so bascially its "cool++" Sep 21 09:29:22 so big == not much Sep 21 09:30:12 something like that :D Sep 21 09:34:23 not much being around 20-30% more free ram and less i/o trashing Sep 21 09:37:00 so the device is underspecced Sep 21 09:37:22 very Sep 21 09:37:23 if it's swapping you're dead already Sep 21 09:39:12 btw, boss^3 finally approved my elc travel Sep 21 09:39:34 \o/ Sep 21 09:42:34 so I guess I'll display the company name on my badge then... Sep 21 10:14:37 hello Sep 21 10:15:27 I am new to BB. I have the XM version Sep 21 10:15:53 how can I install Angstrom on XM? Sep 21 10:17:05 I downloaded files from http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Sep 21 10:17:15 and copied these files to an sd card Sep 21 10:17:17 as described Sep 21 10:17:43 when I switch on the BB-XM, it freezes after decompressing the kernel Sep 21 10:18:06 I decided that the kernel provided was for non-XM Beagle Board which uses a different chip Sep 21 10:18:13 has anybody any clues? Sep 21 10:27:26 jkridner: http://pastebin.com/7TpaB9sc Sep 21 10:29:22 dos360 smells like wrong console setting Sep 21 10:33:16 woglinde, the version of Angstrom provided with BB-XM boots without me changing console settings, the Angstrom I download doesn't Sep 21 10:33:22 and thank you Sep 21 10:33:42 than use opkg to upate Sep 21 10:35:19 ok, but that will only update the existing Angstrom, suppose I want a spare downloaded from the distribution website Sep 21 10:37:36 ? Sep 21 10:37:43 so whats your goal? Sep 21 10:38:36 The vm.min_free_kbytes trick seems to have removed one of the usb-issues I have. Now this one is king: http://pastebin.com/WWTa74L6. Any comments (besides get-well-soon-wishes)? Sep 21 10:39:37 woglinde, I would like to install Angstrom from this website http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ but is freezes after decompressing the kernel. Sep 21 10:39:58 alternatively I would like to make a copy of the sd card - if there is a linux command for that Sep 21 10:40:39 either way I would end up with more than one Angstrom operating system and start fooling around with it without risk Sep 21 10:42:31 we only have smsc95xx on musb. never had that crash on oe-classic, but after switching to oe-core (but with the same kernel) it is quite frequent. Sep 21 10:48:10 dos360 I dont get it you already have angstroem installed whats the problem with updating it via opkg? Sep 21 10:49:02 tasslehoff hm intressting Sep 21 10:49:12 tasslehoff: why on musb? Sep 21 10:49:30 smsc was on ehci right? Sep 21 10:49:32 woglinde, I am new to BB and if I do something bad, I will need a backup to return to. I think I will use the dd command to make a copy of the Angstrom provided and then update with opkg as you recommend. thank you very much! Sep 21 10:49:38 woglinde: its custom HW Sep 21 10:49:46 tasslehoff: do you have a usb analyzer? Sep 21 10:49:55 av500 hm but close to beagle Sep 21 10:50:04 woglinde: yes Sep 21 10:50:12 I dont believe the put on musb Sep 21 10:50:26 that would be crazy without kernel dev to fix Sep 21 10:50:41 kernel developer Sep 21 10:50:46 guru Sep 21 10:51:21 hi hitlin Sep 21 10:51:26 guru meditation? Sep 21 10:51:29 hm time for lunch Sep 21 10:51:39 its pizza day Sep 21 10:51:41 till later Sep 21 10:55:15 av500: because we need to power another device on ehci, and figured out that smsc on musb would work. Sep 21 10:55:27 av500: yes we do Sep 21 10:56:23 crazy to put smsc on musb? don't scare me so much on a friday! Sep 21 10:56:49 tassleoff please report when you find out, I wonder if some userland program can trigger this Sep 21 10:57:34 tasslehoff musb is known for unclean code/handling in kernelland Sep 21 10:58:27 woglinde: some userland program not even using musb/networking? Sep 21 10:58:31 woglinde: will report Sep 21 11:04:11 well, need to get home. will come back to plague you more later :) Sep 21 11:10:53 did someone say plague? Sep 21 11:11:05 no Sep 21 11:13:32 ok Sep 21 11:17:16 hey prpplague Sep 21 11:17:27 hi prpplague Sep 21 11:18:45 greetings Sep 21 11:27:40 Disabled thumb2 kernel compilation, still no kernel boot, hangs at "Staring kernel ..." Sep 21 11:28:14 Someone mentioned a couple of days ago that there could be a problem with u-boot passing an incorrect "machid" Sep 21 11:28:53 well Sep 21 11:29:04 1) the stock bootloader gives a correct mach id in R1 Sep 21 11:29:18 2) a DT kernel will happily ignore that and only use the DT Sep 21 11:29:47 koen: need to enable debug_ll and make sure printascii is funtional Sep 21 11:30:05 koen: you may need to hack printk to do a quick printascii Sep 21 11:32:31 prpplague: that doesn't work when doing a pure DT boot Sep 21 11:32:43 prpplague: only for half-assed platforms like omap3 and omap4 Sep 21 11:32:52 hehe Sep 21 11:33:21 koen: well from the DT testing i did i was able to get it working, maybe there is some more fun happening now Sep 21 11:33:39 prpplague: did you work on dt-only platforms? Sep 21 11:33:49 atm only omap5 and am335x are dt only Sep 21 11:33:54 omap3 and omap4 are hybrid Sep 21 11:34:11 koen: no it was omap4 hybrid Sep 21 11:34:22 which was highlighted when hvaibhav found out that hwmod will happily overwrite DT data Sep 21 11:34:33 oh Sep 21 11:34:35 :( Sep 21 11:34:44 that was fixed a few weeks ago Sep 21 11:34:58 koen: i've been procrastinating getting down to the dirt on DT Sep 21 11:35:09 but it does show that all the 'DT' handwaving is mostly handwaving on omap3 and omap4 Sep 21 11:35:20 prpplague: attend my ELC-E presentation :) Sep 21 11:35:30 hehe Sep 21 11:35:32 koen: plan to Sep 21 11:35:36 koen, will there be video online of it? Sep 21 11:35:42 * prpplague is "conferenced out" already Sep 21 11:35:57 ALS was pretty disappointing Sep 21 11:35:58 * bradfa can't travel to ELC-E :( Sep 21 11:38:38 prpplague: linux summits are usually disappointing Sep 21 11:38:50 prpplague: but you attend for the networking aspect Sep 21 11:38:58 and free food Sep 21 11:39:16 koen: even the networking aspect was bad Sep 21 11:39:29 that leaves the free food Sep 21 11:39:51 ground pork wrapped in pork filets wrapped in bacon Sep 21 11:39:56 hehe Sep 21 11:40:04 that was in an actual dish I had in the UK Sep 21 11:40:09 koen: with a Intel logo branded on it Sep 21 11:40:40 as long as it's free :) Sep 21 11:40:49 who cares which silicon vendor sponsors it? Sep 21 11:41:43 as long as it is free Sep 21 11:43:17 woglinde: free is relative Sep 21 11:43:55 prpplague would you take a windows 8 phone for free? Sep 21 11:44:06 uh no Sep 21 11:44:43 why not? you could sell it on ebay Sep 21 11:46:14 woglinde: look up "dignity" on wikipedia.. :) Sep 21 11:46:54 gratis is not free Sep 21 11:47:13 jonand depends on how you go with it Sep 21 12:07:42 prpplague: back home yet? Sep 21 12:07:56 wmat: at LHR now Sep 21 12:08:03 prpplague: ah Sep 21 12:08:11 prpplague: nhg works at TI, right? Sep 21 12:08:29 dog tired and smell like koen Sep 21 12:08:36 wmat: yea, my supervisor Sep 21 12:09:11 prpplague: can you let him know that the elinux.org wiki has an Account Request page now Sep 21 12:09:24 prpplague: he'd requested an account, but I missed him last night Sep 21 12:09:24 account request page? Sep 21 12:09:44 yeah, I've had to add one so as to prevent the bogus accounts flooding the wiki Sep 21 12:10:02 http://elinux.org/Special:RequestAccount Sep 21 12:10:03 ahh Sep 21 12:10:17 wmat: why is nhg asking about it? Sep 21 12:10:51 prpplague: I'd originally told people to msg me if they wanted an account, and he pinged me for one last night Sep 21 12:11:02 wmat: ahh Sep 21 12:11:15 * prpplague wonders for who Sep 21 12:11:25 wmat: he said anything more about wiki migrations then? Sep 21 12:11:50 prpplague: nothing to me Sep 21 12:12:02 ahh ok Sep 21 12:12:41 wikis migrate to the south in winter? Sep 21 12:12:55 av500: indeeeed Sep 21 12:13:15 * prpplague checks the weather Sep 21 12:13:31 * av500 goes outside with shotgun Sep 21 12:15:12 * wmat gets 2nd coffee Sep 21 12:25:06 prpplague: I found the GENIVI gatherings to be disappointing...I think there's that common link of the dinosaur automotive industry Sep 21 12:25:18 mdp: yea Sep 21 12:26:05 mdp: if i had one more person come up to me and try to sell me their gpl non v3 solution with IDE and debugger is going to go off my rocker Sep 21 12:26:36 hehe Sep 21 12:33:02 hm didnt they state all components are opensource now or will be Sep 21 12:38:34 woglinde: open is fine, just not gplv3 Sep 21 12:45:56