**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 03:00:00 2012 Oct 01 05:23:16 <_av500_> mranostay: yes Oct 01 05:33:27 I wonder... Oct 01 05:33:30 koen: ping Oct 01 05:33:56 oh uh ds2 is up to something Oct 01 05:34:08 nah ;) Oct 01 05:34:54 mranostay: have you written code to identify isotopes from your geiger? Oct 01 05:40:09 <_av500_> and render them in 3d Oct 01 05:40:39 heheh Oct 01 05:40:50 _av500_: trying to get him out of kickstater eh? Oct 01 05:41:57 ds2: that isn't possible with a geiger counter Oct 01 05:42:06 scintillator yes Oct 01 05:42:22 <_av500_> ds2: with right funding, anything is possible Oct 01 05:42:50 mranostay: there was a page for counters that suggest otherwise Oct 01 05:43:02 something about decay rates and plotting it on a log graph, IIRC Oct 01 05:43:05 let me see if I cna find it Oct 01 05:43:36 you could vary the voltage to see what the energies are Oct 01 05:45:29 <_av500_> mranostay: try a kalman filter Oct 01 05:45:33 ds2: 90% is probably Carbon-14 :) Oct 01 05:46:12 <_av500_> mranostay: 9% is that leftovers in the fridge Oct 01 05:47:10 ok that looks like killer math :) Oct 01 05:47:45 mranostay: http://aw-el.com/f_decay.htm Oct 01 05:50:36 looks like it takes a while to collect the data too. Oct 01 05:52:15 heh well that isn't a problem Oct 01 05:53:21 heh how old are the photos on that site? :) Oct 01 05:53:27 Gateway laptop.. Oct 01 05:53:31 maybe someone else will know - is the change to set the DVI I2C bus on the Beagle to 100KHz from Koen? Oct 01 05:54:37 ds2: from 400 khz right? Oct 01 05:54:44 mranostay: yep Oct 01 05:54:53 yeah i think i was to fix a few cape issues Oct 01 05:54:55 the comments say it is for Pico Oct 01 05:55:00 mranostay: cape???? Oct 01 05:55:08 ds2: pico? Oct 01 05:55:14 this is on the classic and xM Oct 01 05:55:35 yeah, the comment says it is for the Pico DLP development kit. Oct 01 05:55:36 ah nm Oct 01 05:55:44 no clue then Oct 01 05:56:02 if there is a similar change for the Bone, then it does seem Pico specific Oct 01 06:09:33 pico - that little projector? Oct 01 06:14:06 hi all, I am new to beaglebone. Oct 01 06:14:41 I just bought a beaglebone and a LCD7 cape from cicuitco, but it does not work. Oct 01 06:14:59 Can anyone help? Oct 01 06:25:56 heh Oct 01 06:26:23 just explain what you've tried and what's going wrong, the people might be willing to help Oct 01 06:26:29 *then Oct 01 06:34:15 bobsickle: you are asking too much Oct 01 06:35:27 * bobsickle stabs at people who don't know how to ask for help properly Oct 01 06:40:47 I have joins and parts ignored on this channel, has jpt_ left or something? Oct 01 06:45:23 about 5 minutes before you answered... Oct 01 07:03:57 they all do Oct 01 07:16:17 aargh Oct 01 07:25:41 * dm8tbr hands bobsickle a consolation cookie Oct 01 10:22:53 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-STM32-HY-MINI-STM32V-Development-Board-STM32F103VCT6-With-3-2-LCD/312788_425312334.html Oct 01 10:24:49 another killer board no less Oct 01 10:26:48 $35 with LCD is not bad Oct 01 10:28:27 that's competititve compared to a certain shrub-fruit-board Oct 01 10:29:28 72mhz M3 Oct 01 10:30:20 so? as if an armv6 would be that much better ;) Oct 01 14:30:40 i am compiling linux kernel for beagle board as per the instruction in this site "tekytech.wordpress.com/topics/compiling-linux-kernel-4-beagleboardxm/" Oct 01 14:31:04 but after uncompressing the kernel the there is no output on console Oct 01 14:31:14 well, then ask there, no? Oct 01 14:32:43 some one else also have same problem and asked the same question but answer given by him. Oct 01 14:32:58 i have also tried but the same response i am getting Oct 01 14:33:26 no output after uncompressing of kernel Oct 01 14:33:47 pastebin a full boot log Oct 01 14:34:30 i have made boot.scr and compiling linux kernel 3.0 Oct 01 14:34:53 isn't that 6 releases out of that already? Oct 01 14:35:58 * av500 lols at "vim Makefile" Oct 01 14:36:20 it won't work if you use emacs Oct 01 14:36:24 5 mins Oct 01 14:37:48 the link is unclickable, I'm blocked by that ;) Oct 01 14:53:13 http://pastebin.com/G3RqdZzR Oct 01 14:53:39 content of uEnv.txt? Oct 01 14:54:07 and why did you make a boot.scr when its not even used? Oct 01 14:57:13 http://pastebin.com/MaSq97BL Oct 01 14:58:58 is uEnc.txt good ? Oct 01 14:59:14 uEnv.txt Oct 01 15:00:21 console=ttyO2,115200n8 Oct 01 15:05:33 in place of "console="ttyO2 console=ttyO2,115200n8" " should i write only " console=ttyO2,115200n8 " Oct 01 15:05:40 yes Oct 01 15:07:07 same error Oct 01 15:07:24 no output after "booting the kernel" Oct 01 15:13:31 koen, did you get a chance to try emmc in 8-bit mode? Oct 01 15:14:17 it involves a change to the CAP flag in my patch from 4_BIT to 8_BIT Oct 01 15:15:07 partition table reads hang on my setup, i am starting to wonder if you're seeing the same thing Oct 01 15:16:57 i.e. if you ever tried 8bit Oct 01 15:34:12 @av500 how to moveforward Oct 01 15:36:43 help Oct 01 15:43:31 any other way of compiling the kernel for beagle board Oct 01 15:46:28 Guest86662: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux Oct 01 15:51:03 wish I had known that page existed 3 months ago Oct 01 15:51:36 thanks Oct 01 15:53:36 i have corrected the console=ttyO2,115200n8 Oct 01 15:53:54 still the kernel hangs after "booting the kernel" Oct 01 15:54:18 Guest86662: Then you have some other problem Oct 01 15:55:09 is there any linux kernel available so that i can compile it and use that uImage Oct 01 15:55:12 thanks Oct 01 15:55:22 Somewhere on the beagleboard site there were "exact steps" Oct 01 15:55:26 having a hard time finding that now Oct 01 15:56:12 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel Oct 01 15:56:26 thanks Oct 01 15:56:42 its first hit for "building a kernel for beagleboard" Oct 01 15:56:52 yes, that's not on the beagleboard site is it.... Oct 01 15:57:17 I have google, too :) Oct 01 15:57:24 it was for Guest86662 Oct 01 15:57:32 ah, hehe.... Oct 01 15:57:41 I get google-burned a lot if you can't tell.... Oct 01 15:58:00 but yeah, that one is for if your want to extract stuff out of OE and build it yourself Oct 01 15:58:00 thanks Oct 01 15:58:11 yes Oct 01 15:58:27 i want to build my self Oct 01 15:58:48 I swear it used to be on the FAQ under "I just want to build a kernel and bootloader myself" Oct 01 15:58:55 maybe that's the bone faq..... Oct 01 15:59:15 a certain koen would says: "One does not simply build a kernel" Oct 01 15:59:19 -s Oct 01 16:00:00 right Oct 01 16:00:09 Well then koen is wrong, and if he is right, then there's a bigger problem... it should be made easy somewhere. Oct 01 16:00:23 if you can't figure it out on your own, you don't need to build it Oct 01 16:00:38 <- elitist jerk Oct 01 16:00:49 jerky elitist Oct 01 16:00:58 koen: maybe, for some level of "you" and for some level of "figure it out" and for some level of "on your own." Oct 01 16:00:58 I mean, how hard is it to google up: Oct 01 16:01:00 export ARCH=arm Oct 01 16:01:08 export CROSS_COMPILE=something- Oct 01 16:01:10 make uImage Oct 01 16:01:12 make dtbs Oct 01 16:01:13 and beagleboard.org prefers to have people look at all the blogs with varying degrees of wrongness to find answers Oct 01 16:01:25 mdp: yes, that Oct 01 16:01:44 there's tons of info all over, with varying degrees of _oldness_ is what I'd say Oct 01 16:02:02 some is just wrong wrong depending on the subject too ;) Oct 01 16:02:05 alan_o: I'm strongly of the opinion that when people *need* to rebuild (not to be confused with 'want'), the software sucks Oct 01 16:02:33 and with spidev being the default, I've eliminated 99% of the 'needs' Oct 01 16:02:39 alan_o: only oldness, no newdity? Oct 01 16:03:37 I'm more concerned with people being paid good money to write driver who can't figure out how to make patches or use git Oct 01 16:04:07 koen, don't bring your vendor code woes into the channel ;) Oct 01 16:04:10 but that's just frustration from the day job shining through Oct 01 16:04:38 koen: that has not place whatsoever here!!!! Oct 01 16:04:44 * av500 curses TI Oct 01 16:04:52 * mdp curses TI Oct 01 16:04:55 er, nm Oct 01 16:04:57 :) Oct 01 16:05:03 ;) Oct 01 16:05:05 koen: I know, and from the beagleboard.org project perspective, I respect that position. However... a board designed for the hacker community is invariably going to attract people who _want_ to build a kernel, and not just people who are embedded pros, lots of hobbyists to who are trying to get into this embedded linux thing. Sometimes smart people who are trying to figure it out and need to be pointed in the right direction. With the be Oct 01 16:05:05 agle board marketed as "jumpstart your ARM development" it stands to reason that people would want to start with it, and then use it to develop the skills they will need to work on other project. Building a kernel is one of those skills. For people who are going to just use Cloud9 and twiddle gpio though, then I agree with you, nobody should need to build a kernel. Oct 01 16:05:44 i agree Oct 01 16:06:07 i am just a student of BS 1 yr Oct 01 16:06:22 Guest86662: I'm a lifetime student of BS :) Oct 01 16:06:28 alan_o, somebody just needs the desire and time to write it up on elinux...the official beagleboard.org info repository ;) Oct 01 16:06:40 then you'll have canonical exact steps Oct 01 16:06:44 alan_o: it's stated in the A6 SRM how to rebuild *everything* on the SD card, including the kernel Oct 01 16:06:46 alan_o: if you want to study BS, #rpi is a better place Oct 01 16:06:48 i just bought beagle board because the available help on internet Oct 01 16:06:59 i am not studying BS Oct 01 16:07:04 mru: hehe Oct 01 16:07:11 maybe we need to copy/paste that into the beagleboard SRM Oct 01 16:07:19 whats wrong with Bacon Science anyway? Oct 01 16:07:21 koen: That's for Bone, and yes. Oct 01 16:07:30 I found BS is all I need Oct 01 16:07:31 koen: I think that's probably what I remember seeing. Oct 01 16:07:49 i am not studing BS here Oct 01 16:08:01 i am here to build my own kernel Oct 01 16:08:08 and do some experiment Oct 01 16:08:15 its my passion Oct 01 16:08:24 not my study for BS Oct 01 16:08:47 i want to learn embedded linux.... Oct 01 16:08:49 thanks Oct 01 16:09:07 it's exactly the same as regular linux Oct 01 16:09:17 mru: come on...... Oct 01 16:09:21 !!! Oct 01 16:09:21 no its not Oct 01 16:09:31 these days it's fairly close Oct 01 16:09:36 from userspace Oct 01 16:09:37 yes Oct 01 16:09:43 Guest86662: did you come here to learn or to teach? Oct 01 16:09:44 well, as long as you don't do anything unethical like cross compiling Oct 01 16:09:48 we are compiling for arm not for intel Oct 01 16:09:50 unless you're using baremetal Oct 01 16:10:02 thurbad: baremetal is not linux Oct 01 16:10:08 by definition Oct 01 16:10:11 very true Oct 01 16:10:16 from userspace it's the same, but _doing_ embedded linux is not userspace. Once you're in userspace, the "embedded" part of it is really done. Oct 01 16:10:24 Guest86662: you can use ARM regular and x86 as embedded. thats not an argument. Oct 01 16:10:29 kernelspace is the same too Oct 01 16:10:37 arm, intel... IF compiler works, what's the difference... Oct 01 16:10:43 I build the same kernel source for servers, desktops, and "embedded" systems Oct 01 16:11:01 mru: yeah, me too. its called vanilla ;) Oct 01 16:11:11 make Image Oct 01 16:11:19 koen: sImage? Oct 01 16:11:26 mru: consider though that non-embedded linux typically doesn't involve a kernel compile at all, and if it does, it doesn't typically involve modifying any code (just turning things on and off). Oct 01 16:11:26 choosing TI EMAC instead of e1000 for the network driver hardly makes a difference Oct 01 16:11:31 * koen stabs LetoThe2nd with a shaper image catalog Oct 01 16:11:36 LetoThe2nd: SpittingImage Oct 01 16:11:51 * LetoThe2nd crushes koen with his worm tail. Oct 01 16:12:00 * koen sprinkles water on LetoThe2nd Oct 01 16:12:18 * LetoThe2nd hides in koens makerbot. Oct 01 16:16:16 hmm, The Unicode Standard book is still at 5.0 Oct 01 16:16:31 sure Oct 01 16:17:07 * av500 wants to order 6.0 so he can take 5.0 back home :) Oct 01 16:17:26 Guest86662: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Oct 01 16:18:06 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom-and-eventually-also-the-linux-kernel Oct 01 16:18:26 ugh..... Oct 01 16:18:41 so one of the lines in my link will build the kernel Oct 01 16:18:48 It's the one that has kernel in it. Oct 01 16:20:30 Guest86662: Since you're wanting to learn embedded Linux, I'd also recommend the docs at http://free-electrons.com/docs/ Oct 01 16:21:02 They have quite a few on embedded-linux-related topics, all the way down to building your toolchain. Oct 01 16:21:27 oddly, I can't begin to imagine using anything remotely like the angstrom instructions to build the kernel for devel purposes Oct 01 16:22:07 mdp: It surprises me that OE is a mystery to so many. Oct 01 16:22:14 mdp: one of those people is me, by the way :) Oct 01 16:22:52 but serious, it seems like not very many people really know it. And that's based on answers like "I don't know/use OE" in this channel and other places. Oct 01 16:22:59 Other places like ELC :) Oct 01 16:23:00 wasnt there an OE tracking github kernel? Oct 01 16:23:18 made by kOEn? Oct 01 16:24:01 av500: It seems to me like at one point there was a github project which did this, but it was unofficial and out of date. I seem to remember being told that in this channel. Oct 01 16:24:13 All that stuff adds to the confusion..... Oct 01 16:24:22 beagleboard/beagleboard-kernel Oct 01 16:24:33 ? Oct 01 16:24:52 "I don't use OE" for dirctly anything though ;) Oct 01 16:25:12 * mdp decides not to fix that statement Oct 01 16:25:21 mdp: as far as OE goes though, I kind of agree with you, which is why it's a little frustrating that there's not something easier for beginners to look at, since the "official" instructions are to use OE. Oct 01 16:25:50 i'm fine with "use OE" in order to rebuilt ther whole image Oct 01 16:26:04 since rebuilding ubuntu or any other distro is even worse Oct 01 16:26:51 I'm not interested in building angstrom userspace though. I just want to build the kernel. Maybe that's just me, but it seems like it's a fairly common position. Oct 01 16:27:01 yes Oct 01 16:27:47 in that respect, these instructions seem quite good: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardLinuxKernel Oct 01 16:28:08 they refer to OE and you get what is in eo/angstrom Oct 01 16:28:20 and not a random tarball that worked at time T Oct 01 16:28:46 probably so, provided they are still up to date. Oct 01 16:28:53 I didn't look really close Oct 01 16:28:59 but I think I used those instructions at one point. Oct 01 16:29:07 I used a _lot_ of stuff when I was getting started Oct 01 16:31:03 Guest86662: I also read "Building Embedded Linux Systems" by Karim Yaghmour when I was getting started. The current edition is a couple years old, but it covers most of the stuff that's different between "regular" linux and embedded linux, and what's required to build up an embedded system (toolchain, libc, kernel, userspace). Oct 01 16:31:51 even if you never build any of these, reading about them might come in useful Oct 01 16:56:24 hm all embedded books are outdated at print time Oct 01 16:58:16 * prpplague would disagree with some books Oct 01 16:58:31 embedded-linux okay Oct 01 16:59:27 hehe even some of those are still very applicable, as long they stick to core principles rather than "Please give exact steps..." Oct 01 16:59:48 woglinde: that only leaves fiction and railway timetables Oct 01 17:00:04 yeh sf Oct 01 17:00:07 and fairytales Oct 01 17:00:15 fairy tables Oct 01 17:00:20 even that Oct 01 17:00:31 like my tax returns :) Oct 01 17:00:44 av500: well based on my recent experience with the UK trains, i am pretty sure that the railway timetables may also be considered fiction Oct 01 17:01:19 av500 you are getting something back? Oct 01 17:01:48 prpplague: not fiction, someones dream! Oct 01 17:02:09 woglinde: of course Oct 01 17:02:20 prpplague: I always thought they were intended as some kind of comedy Oct 01 17:03:17 mru: hehe Oct 01 17:03:26 I've tried reading them, but I find it hard to follow the author's train of thought Oct 01 17:03:39 mru: HA Oct 01 17:03:39 the UK, the country where its cheaper and quicker to drive Oct 01 17:03:42 so the joke pretty much derails Oct 01 17:04:06 XorA|gone: it's still not as bad as sweden Oct 01 17:04:21 there you're lucky if they don't refuse to sell you a ticket Oct 01 17:04:23 * XorA|gone hasnt been there Oct 01 17:06:22 XorA|gone: sure isn't as bad as the US :) Oct 01 17:06:29 and there is zero chance of fixing UK system as it always goes to lowest bidder Oct 01 17:20:02 Do you have a beagle board tutorial for dummies? Oct 01 17:20:40 no Oct 01 17:21:25 *ahem* google Oct 01 17:22:17 is it possible to give a "boot" on "beagle board" with a figure before the system up? Oct 01 17:23:57 you mean a splash screen.. Oct 01 17:24:10 yes Oct 01 17:27:28 brunosf: we usually leave the "dummies" over on the #raspberrypi channel Oct 01 17:33:59 s/dummies/deluded/g Oct 01 17:34:55 Any easy way to measure the current consumed through the 3.3V on the beaglebone? Oct 01 17:43:41 jsabeaudry: you can add a shunt resistor Oct 01 17:43:48 jsabeaudry: ohms law and a shunt Oct 01 17:44:08 jsabeaudry: and either manually measure the voltage drop, or use a i2c device such as the INA219 to do the measurements Oct 01 17:49:50 Thanks for the pointers guys Oct 01 17:50:02 On second thought the shunt on the 5v will do :) Oct 01 17:59:36 does the bone have a shunt resistor on it? Oct 01 17:59:41 i recall the xM does Oct 01 18:03:57 mranostay, yup, R3 Oct 01 18:04:07 If anyone happens to be interested I've gone through the headache of rebasing the beaglebone kernel patches against upstream kernel.org linux-3.2.y Oct 01 18:04:43 while you're at it, please fix PM on the bone Oct 01 18:04:58 and throw in some ponies Oct 01 18:05:46 the bone is tired, it needs to hibernate Oct 01 18:05:54 ds2: what problems are you experiencing. I haven't been too concerned with PM so I didn't test it too thoroughly. Oct 01 18:06:01 oh, hibernate Oct 01 18:07:18 my application is "always on" but maybe I'll test it out for fun. Oct 01 18:09:38 hibernating is for bears Oct 01 18:09:40 koen: why doesn't the battery cape have a on/off switch ? :) Oct 01 18:09:45 georgem: fork https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ and submit a pull request for a beaglebone-3.2 Oct 01 18:10:10 mdp: ok. will do Oct 01 18:11:14 koen mentioned some reason why he wasn't going to try to rebase the vendor tree patches against mainline but since he owns that tree maybe he'll take it if the work's already done Oct 01 18:11:24 if you needed it, somebody else will Oct 01 18:16:33 mdp: *nods*. I build a kernel for 4 different embedded platforms and for numerous reasons I'm adamant they build from the same source. Oct 01 18:16:59 * mru smells a masochist Oct 01 18:17:00 which platforms? Oct 01 18:17:18 evm, sdp, beagle, beaglexm? :D Oct 01 18:17:20 b, d, s, and m Oct 01 18:17:30 heh. no not even. Oct 01 18:18:14 * mdp senses another chance for DT to ride to the rescue Oct 01 18:18:19 armeb-xscale, intel atom, pandaboard, beaglebone right now Oct 01 18:18:47 as I said... Oct 01 18:19:01 ewwwww ;) Oct 01 18:19:24 yeah... Oct 01 18:20:24 one of these is not like the others :) Oct 01 18:20:26 what? no MIPS or PPC? Oct 01 18:20:43 or Cortex-M3? Oct 01 18:20:46 ha Oct 01 18:21:06 maybe you should reduce your adamantium intake Oct 01 18:21:11 speaking of intel atom Oct 01 18:21:21 has anyone got the free yocto box yet? Oct 01 18:21:32 * mru has not Oct 01 18:21:50 they pinged for my mailing address in July... Oct 01 18:21:53 I've got thousands of products in the field using armeb-xscale and atom otherwise I'd gather up all of the board I have and launch them into vat of lava with a trebuchet. Oct 01 18:21:56 they are probally waiting for the address/name list to sell enough times to pay for the box before shipping ;) Oct 01 18:22:39 maybe we'll get it before the next ELC Oct 01 18:22:54 mranostay, cupertino is tough to find with nothing significant there. Oct 01 18:23:03 did they move ELC to Dec 31, 2013? Oct 01 18:23:36 heh Oct 01 18:24:31 hackberry Oct 01 18:25:03 mdp: I lived there when I was toddler, now I live in the midwest. horray Oct 01 18:25:21 mdp: the borg is going in right across the street from me Oct 01 18:25:32 georgem: where in the midwest? Oct 01 18:25:35 mranostay, ;) Oct 01 18:25:44 ds2: kansas city Oct 01 18:25:48 georgem: the reverse seems more fun Oct 01 18:25:48 mranostay, just being snarky Oct 01 18:25:48 ah Oct 01 18:25:54 georgem: googleland?!? Oct 01 18:26:05 mdp: muhahaha yup. Oct 01 18:26:12 did you cool your computers this summer by closing the doors, windows, and shutting off the fans? ;) Oct 01 18:26:30 mdp: that is when my rent goes to uber-insane :) Oct 01 18:26:37 georgem: they chose a midwestern city because if they destroy it with their service, then they figure no big loss ;) Oct 01 18:27:00 georgem: so what is there to do in Kansas City? :) Oct 01 18:27:07 mranostay, lol Oct 01 18:27:50 mdp: or maybe thats where the dart landed. Oct 01 18:28:21 or maybe they're just planning on conquering the entire country from the geographic center outwards. ha Oct 01 18:28:40 and why is Kansas City not in Kansas? :) Oct 01 18:28:57 mranostay: it is :) Oct 01 18:29:04 mranostay: It's just also in MO :) Oct 01 18:32:29 mranostay: Since you asked. its both. well... Kansas City was founded on west port landing as a steamboat junction just east of where the Missouri river forks. The Missouri river was then used as the border between the two states north of the fork. Oct 01 18:32:47 actually, that's what I always thought.... Oct 01 18:33:03 but looking at the map now, it seems like both cities are mostly south of the river Oct 01 18:33:36 and the river only is the state border for a while, then it's a seemingly arbitrary meridian. Oct 01 18:33:58 no wait, you said north of the fork Oct 01 18:33:58 alan_o: like all states :) Oct 01 18:34:01 yeah that's true Oct 01 18:34:22 politics of course Oct 01 18:34:40 I wonder whether what's now the larger part of Kansas city is newer than what's north of the fork Oct 01 18:34:48 which is how Ohio got Toledo.. Oct 01 18:35:20 * mranostay wonders how this became state talk Oct 01 18:35:31 Google Oct 01 18:35:39 alan_o: yes. both cities are mostly south of the river. The river going north was the border at the time the states were founded. Rivers natrually change paths over time but the border did not. The border south is a basically a line from where the rivers fork. Oct 01 18:37:28 georgem: and if I had been paying attention, I'd have realized that the guy talking about it was the same guy that's _from_ there..... Oct 01 18:37:29 and to answer the other question there isn't all that much to do here. Maybe thats why I spent my entire adolescence in a basement hacking code :) Oct 01 18:39:23 mranostay, note that we have _carefully_ blocked any encroachment of WV or KY over the Ohio river. Oct 01 18:39:30 some lines are meant not to be crossed Oct 01 18:40:12 isn't there some law against a city crossing a state line? Oct 01 18:41:00 mru: well it would be two cities Oct 01 18:41:06 aren't there as least some bovines to tip? Oct 01 18:42:01 georgem: yeah, we at least tipped bovines and got lost in the cornfields Oct 01 18:42:11 in between hacking code in the basement Oct 01 18:42:27 mdp: in Mentor, Ohio? Oct 01 18:42:31 i miss having basements Oct 01 18:42:36 mranostay, chardon ;) Oct 01 18:42:44 I wish I had a basement (FL) :( Oct 01 18:43:06 * _av500_ has a basement Oct 01 18:43:07 ds2, #1 thing I acquired when going phx->cle Oct 01 18:43:09 <_av500_> full of stuff Oct 01 18:43:10 alan_o: wouldn't that be called a poor man's indoor pool there? Oct 01 18:43:35 hehe Oct 01 18:43:41 ds2: something like that :) Oct 01 18:43:42 mdp: besides the fluffy stuff? Oct 01 18:43:56 yeah, then theres that..... Oct 01 18:44:04 welcome to the jungle, I suppose.... Oct 01 18:44:05 ds2, there is that..I like fluffy stuff Oct 01 18:44:29 I'm envious of my friend in UT who says they never have mildew or mold anywhere Oct 01 18:45:11 He's got a swamp cooler that blows cold air for the price of running a fan and a little bit of water. In FL, that thing would be covered in mold in no time. (and nevermind not blow cold air). Oct 01 18:45:57 alan_o: what part of Florida? redneck or cool part? :) Oct 01 18:46:04 heh Oct 01 18:46:04 lol Oct 01 18:46:13 mranostay: I thought those were synonyms :) Oct 01 18:46:24 mranostay: I live in East Orlando Oct 01 18:46:27 alan_o, rockin' south beach? ;) Oct 01 18:47:02 alan_o: do we need subtitles and like on Swamp People? :) Oct 01 18:47:36 mranostay: no. I've been told I don't have an accent. In fact I've also been asked, "how come you talk like a yankee?" Oct 01 18:47:53 mranostay, um, even then, some of those subtitles say, "" ;) Oct 01 18:47:54 alan_o: we sell a lot of product thats used in Florida. All the PCBs need to be conformal coated so they don't rust. Oct 01 18:48:23 georgem: Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. Oct 01 18:48:36 mdp: *inaudible* Oct 01 18:50:27 alan_o: isn't Orlando a high crime city? Oct 01 18:51:09 mranostay: beats me. Could be. The East side is a lot different than the West side, and especially the southwest side. Oct 01 18:51:55 mdp: living in the South for a year I can confirm those people exist.... :) Oct 01 18:52:33 mranostay, no need to go that far south either Oct 01 18:52:50 same way here too. crime rate between some zip codes can differ by two orders of magnitude. Oct 01 18:53:02 The East side doesn't seem bad. A lot of central Florida is called "Orlando," all the way down to Disney which isn't even in Orange County Oct 01 18:53:26 oh believe me there is a latitude line i'm never crossing again :) Oct 01 18:53:54 minus a few enclaves Oct 01 18:53:56 oh wait, some of Disney is in Orange, according to the Wiki. I never go down to that side. It's nice... keeps all the tourists away from me :) Oct 01 18:54:10 wheeeee - http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16158&cat=0&page=1&featured Oct 01 18:54:17 finally sold out Oct 01 18:55:06 prpplague: so do you have new products to replace these that are selling out for good? Oct 01 18:55:28 prpplague: I suppose I should look first :) Oct 01 18:56:14 seems like I got the feeling one time that you said you were letting the -xm stuff go out of production intentionally.... Oct 01 18:57:24 alan_o: no, TCT is getting out of the beagle/panda accessory business Oct 01 18:57:38 So what's the new focus? Oct 01 18:57:46 alan_o: there are some discussions with some third parties to purchase the rights to boards Oct 01 18:57:58 interesting. Oct 01 18:58:14 alan_o: our focus has always been B2B engineering and low cost tool products Oct 01 18:58:43 alan_o: the beagle/panda items were an offshoot of work we had already done Oct 01 18:59:32 interesting... the B2B engineering part was not clear to me from reading the website. Oct 01 18:59:50 (not throwing stones. My website needs a lot of work.... ) Oct 01 19:00:35 alan_o: we don't advertise Oct 01 19:00:46 So your linkedin says you work for TI (which I thought I saw before). Is that still accurate? Oct 01 19:01:05 alan_o: no, it says i am a contractor for TI Oct 01 19:01:38 oh right.... I have to start reading more carefully. Oct 01 19:08:06 prpplague, as I now learned, you have to buy your own red TI shirts. Oct 01 19:09:21 mdp: It's amazing how shirts are always such an issue. It's like that everywhere it seems. Oct 01 19:09:44 red TI shirts are in high demand Oct 01 19:10:09 the fat cats are artificially limiting supply Oct 01 19:10:26 yeah, no doubt, and at the same time artificially limiting morale. Oct 01 19:10:49 When will fatcats in charge realize that morale is so easily bought, and at the same time so easily lost. Oct 01 19:11:11 I got a blue shirt, and I'm hoping that means I can't be killed off in the next landing party Oct 01 19:11:13 And I'm not picking on TI. It's everywhere. Oct 01 19:11:53 mdp, georgem: I tried and gave up, PSP is not based on 3.2, but on a "random" commit from 3.2-omap + some unknown branches merged in Oct 01 19:12:14 mdp, georgem: the PSP team refuses to tell people how that tree was created Oct 01 19:12:30 koen: yeah. it was a bit of cluster. Oct 01 19:12:32 (I suspect they can't replicate it) Oct 01 19:13:25 that only adds more value to the production tree Oct 01 19:14:22