**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 02 02:59:58 2012 Oct 02 04:29:07 CanyonMan: hm? Oct 02 05:19:27 dm8tbr: don't ask Oct 02 05:25:06 mhm Oct 02 05:29:02 * mranostay tests geiger app Oct 02 05:31:57 mranostay: what's ur test source? Oct 02 05:33:32 the one that counts the noise in the CCD? Oct 02 05:35:24 no, I mean test source for the geiger tube Oct 02 05:36:08 georgem: sweet! Oct 02 05:37:37 ds2: uranium ore and am-241 Oct 02 05:37:54 thorium welding rod and uranium glass as well Oct 02 05:39:25 smoke detector by far is my favorite :) Oct 02 05:40:44 where did you find vaseline glass? Oct 02 05:41:25 ebay Oct 02 05:42:31 oh Oct 02 05:44:35 I wonder how well does the POP memory on the Beagle class works as a detector Oct 02 05:44:36 probably my best bet for a test source transported Oct 02 05:45:23 that or cutting up a smoke detector in Spain :) Oct 02 05:45:40 have you seen the "radio active boyscout" page? Oct 02 05:48:45 yes :) Oct 02 07:27:46 i need some help in connecting Beagel board to google IOIO Oct 02 07:49:37 Russ: you slid to unlock this channel? Oct 02 07:50:37 I was so pissed when I woke my laptop from suspend after my 3.6.0 update Oct 02 07:52:16 * mranostay goes to sleep Oct 02 07:52:25 glowing possibly Oct 02 09:30:24 georgem: have you verified that it boots? Oct 02 09:30:35 georgem: if so, I'm going to merge that change and dance the jig :) Oct 02 11:43:53 hey guys. I'm looking for some help with my pandaboard, but this is the only related chan i found. Oct 02 11:44:35 you didn't try #pandaboard ? Oct 02 11:44:45 i was just checking out the eLinux.org wiki and found the pandaboard Bamboo and the beagleboard trainer board. The bamboo is lacking all sorts of information. Oct 02 11:45:24 and about the trainerboard i wondered if it will work with the pandaboard Oct 02 11:47:25 dm8tbr: to be honest, no >.< haven't thought about that after finding the IRC-Channels list on eLinux Oct 02 11:48:49 i had this problem: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.beagleboard.general/31101 Oct 02 11:48:53 i solved it Oct 02 11:49:06 how can i respond to this guy, or get the fix updated? Oct 02 11:51:30 anyway, the line in linux-mainline_3.2.bb shouldn't be git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;branch=linux-3.2.y;protocol=git Oct 02 11:51:42 it should be git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;branch=linux-${PV};protocol=git Oct 02 11:55:09 fester: no Oct 02 11:55:13 fester: have a look at http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=heads Oct 02 11:56:12 that's interesting, why did it work? Oct 02 12:03:00 fester: there is no bamboo Oct 02 12:03:05 and no trainer any more Oct 02 12:03:10 discontinued Oct 02 12:03:24 oops, Phrewfuf|work Oct 02 12:03:26 av500: Phrewfuf|work asked that Oct 02 12:04:25 av500: has there ever been a bamboo? since i found the site on the wiki, it never changed :D Oct 02 12:04:51 but theoretically: would the trainer have worked on a panda? or is it only for beagle? Oct 02 12:06:08 also i'm planning to make my own PCB, but wanted to know which ones work so i could take them as a starting point. Oct 02 12:07:04 did #pandaboard shut down after the OMAP announcement? Oct 02 12:07:36 there is no OMAP Oct 02 12:07:40 mdp, it's still on Oct 02 12:07:45 Oct 02 12:08:08 ok, haven't "pulled the plug" yet ;) Oct 02 12:08:10 koen, Oct 02 12:08:27 I hear it's a wretched hive of villainy over there Oct 02 12:08:33 or was that #rpi? Oct 02 12:08:42 i think its rpi :D Oct 02 12:09:00 people on pandaboard seem to be too lazy to make any villainy Oct 02 12:09:31 heh Oct 02 12:10:15 panto, speaking of rpi, I saw a post from one of "those people" on 6502.org ;) Oct 02 12:10:29 bitbanged 6502? Oct 02 12:11:37 it's a post full of vision one can only get in Rpi-land. Oct 02 12:25:05 panto, you should watch the beginning of that dso review I posted on g+..you'll like it Oct 02 12:25:16 link? Oct 02 12:26:07 https://plus.google.com/u/0/108244279740379322507/posts/DVU43CLEhgZ Oct 02 12:26:12 I know you never read g+ Oct 02 12:26:24 thanks Oct 02 12:27:07 Phrewfuf|work: no bamboo ever Oct 02 12:27:40 yeah, thought so...what a pity, the board and especially the case look really nice on the drawings Oct 02 12:27:42 panto, I was dying when Dave finally uses the term, "useless" later in the review Oct 02 12:27:56 pls, no spoilers Oct 02 12:28:07 heh Oct 02 12:28:19 god, why do dave's videos have to be so long >.< Oct 02 12:28:36 Phrewfuf|work: that's my only problem with his woefully detailed reviews Oct 02 12:29:15 10 minutes of looking at crappy solder joints from Shenzhen in each video ;) Oct 02 12:29:15 he violates the unspoken 30" rule Oct 02 12:30:34 does he have to read the manual in full? Oct 02 12:31:27 koen: The last build that I verified booted on the beaglebone was rebased on v3.2.28-rt42-rebase. I'll build what I pushed to github and verify it boots. I'll even pastebin the dmesg output. Oct 02 12:31:29 av500: it's just 4 pages, not much to read :D Oct 02 12:31:54 georgem: awesome! I'll give it a spin later on Oct 02 12:32:00 av500, always, this is Dave's schtick Oct 02 12:36:18 haha moneyquote: Let's power this turd up. Oct 02 12:37:12 Phrewfuf|work: it's good all the way through...he has low tolerance for this level of crap Oct 02 12:37:55 if you can't handle the whole thing..be sure to jump to the last 2 minutes Oct 02 12:37:56 well i would feel the same about a modified mp3 player :D Oct 02 12:38:04 Phrewfuf|work: no spoilers!!! Oct 02 12:38:05 mp5! Oct 02 12:38:09 lol Oct 02 12:38:33 koen, mp11! Oct 02 12:38:36 mdp: he said it at the beginning Oct 02 12:38:40 mp5 Oct 02 12:38:43 oops Oct 02 12:38:49 mp5...blacked out with a marker :D Oct 02 12:39:05 lol, xtal away from chip issue Oct 02 12:39:12 reminds of that student Oct 02 12:39:21 I was engaged when I first saw him hold up the case with all the mp5 controlz Oct 02 12:39:43 we had a student that did a DSP board, put the xtal on the far edge away from the DSP Oct 02 12:39:48 of course it did not work Oct 02 12:39:54 heh Oct 02 12:39:57 we told him to put the xtal close to the DSP Oct 02 12:39:59 which he did Oct 02 12:40:08 i learned to put the xtals as close to the chop as possible Oct 02 12:40:11 running the traces back to the original location.... Oct 02 12:40:23 it was physically close Oct 02 12:40:58 What could cause GPMC communication between the bone and a FPGA to make a lot of noise the the power line? Oct 02 12:41:30 no worries...we had an executive premier senior board designer at moto that couldn't follow the guide lines to layout 100mbps ethernet when that speed was new Oct 02 12:43:35 koen, I think I accidentally volunteered to do extra credit work for Vinod :( Oct 02 12:43:42 oops Oct 02 12:43:55 khosla? Oct 02 12:44:05 dmaengine maintainer Oct 02 12:44:22 engine? we used to bitbang dma Oct 02 12:44:36 kids these days Oct 02 12:45:03 yeah, well you're spoiled with both 1s and 0s, back in the day, we only had 0s! Oct 02 12:45:17 if we were lucky Oct 02 12:45:35 I pushed those electrons uphill both ways Oct 02 12:45:38 we had to make do with thermal noise at -270k Oct 02 12:45:51 oh boy. someone is going to show off their core memory collection I can just see it Oct 02 12:45:57 core? Oct 02 12:46:07 we had an array of elephants Oct 02 12:46:16 heh Oct 02 12:46:22 where is bradfa's kickstarter with punch card support? Oct 02 12:46:33 getting data out of them was tough Oct 02 12:47:49 it's where the term "elephant in the room" originated...I saw it on uncyclopedia Oct 02 12:48:12 I work with a guy that made a "pong machine" with wire wrapped discrete components when he was in college. heh. Try doing that with elephants. Oct 02 12:48:14 DN2800MT Oct 02 12:48:16 oops Oct 02 12:49:25 koen, it does turn out that his wip dma caps stuff will also solve a deficiency in dmaengine that made supporting memcpy transfers a little ugly on edma Oct 02 12:50:17 koen, I like that they determined at KS that per-channel caps was unneeded..and then a month later they have a example proving that wrong. ;) Oct 02 12:53:43 :) Oct 02 13:08:32 mdp, hasn't reached funding yet Oct 02 13:08:45 mdp, you want dma punch cards? Oct 02 13:08:52 yes Oct 02 13:09:14 just put a disclaimer in it like the parallel supercomputer one Oct 02 13:09:24 "this may never work, but we'll try really hard!" Oct 02 13:09:33 mdp, that cray with the 400 VDC 100 A power supply requirements on ebay? Oct 02 13:10:24 mdp: I tried to get notzed on g+ but so far to no avail Oct 02 13:10:36 so you have to keep getting cracked up Oct 02 13:11:03 mdp: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/2/3441846/nest-thermostat-second-generation-slimmer-more-compatible Oct 02 13:11:38 http://download.opensuse.org/ports/armv7hl/distribution/12.2-RC1/images/ Oct 02 13:11:45 more compatible? Oct 02 13:12:26 I'd buy a nest, but then I'd want to hack it, and my wife would be cold... Oct 02 13:12:50 it's revolutionary and magical Oct 02 13:13:01 and awesome Oct 02 13:14:50 ooohhhhhh...brushed stainless dial...must have! but wait, the missus says that doesn't match the brushed nickel plumbing fixtures!! Oct 02 13:14:52 fail Oct 02 13:14:53 and it does not work outside the USofA Oct 02 13:15:15 dm8tbr: revolutionary and magical devices are reserved for .us Oct 02 13:15:35 core i7 980 + ocz vertex 3 sssd + 24 gb RAM = pretty fast kernel builds :D Oct 02 13:15:50 apple is an exception...they violated rule 1 of revolutionary device club Oct 02 13:16:08 dm8tbr: wat? why wouldn't it work outside the USandA? Oct 02 13:16:40 Phrewfuf|work: google for it. there are all sorts of stories... it starts with the fact that it only accepts US ZIP codes to set location and time zone Oct 02 13:16:58 which entails weather data Oct 02 13:17:01 also, try to find the needed signal lines in any european home Oct 02 13:17:11 my heating has a 2 wire bus Oct 02 13:17:14 koen, btw, I did some searches and note that tons of people have never seen a reverse draw crossbow before Revolution. Oct 02 13:17:17 you've got to be kidding me, they only put in a setting for "zip-code" and none for country? Oct 02 13:17:23 o'course Oct 02 13:17:31 ha Oct 02 13:17:51 Phrewfuf|work: sure. for long they didn't even care to mention that it doesn't work outside the US, they simply limited the shop to only ship to US Oct 02 13:18:03 keep in mind, the team comes from apple...so they have the s/w philosophy of having stuff not work the way you want Oct 02 13:18:24 as we found out here with iphone 4s's inability to select 720p video capture :( Oct 02 13:18:27 mdp: ah well that explains Oct 02 13:18:35 also, in europe we have stuff like central heating Oct 02 13:18:42 and running cold and warm water Oct 02 13:18:54 av500: sherlock? :D Oct 02 13:18:56 outside of the UK even from the same output Oct 02 13:18:56 Phrewfuf|work: nice team there in general..I work with them a couple time onsite last year Oct 02 13:18:57 I build my own thermostat out of a renesas dev kit I got for free at a trade show. Threw on a few 5v relays and good to go :) Oct 02 13:18:58 mdp: I'll keep an eye on other weird stuff in yesterdays episode Oct 02 13:19:34 koen, it continues to suck...but after read all of S.M Stirling's work, it has little hope of being taken seriously by me Oct 02 13:19:53 av500: the closest to central heatin i've seen here in germany is one heating unit for a whole house Oct 02 13:20:32 Phrewfuf|work: Do you use natural gas for heating fuel? Oct 02 13:20:40 georgem: use an rpi and you can get on hackaday Oct 02 13:21:03 Phrewfuf|work: yes, and? Oct 02 13:21:14 mdp: heh. Oct 02 13:21:49 georgem: depends...older houses mostly have Oil, on newer ones people can choose between oil and gas. why'd you ask? Oct 02 13:21:51 get your well-deserved 15s of fame (reduced from 15m in interwebs time) Oct 02 13:22:05 mdp: or an arduino, for the hackaday blogcred :D Oct 02 13:23:57 Phrewfuf|work: Just curious, my wife is from Canada and she says in Montreal they only have oil. She was afraid when she moved here because she thought that gas was unsafe. Oct 02 13:24:06 hehe Oct 02 13:24:13 I prefer gas than sitting on an oil tank Oct 02 13:24:19 me too Oct 02 13:24:20 it's both unsafe Oct 02 13:24:27 its both pretty safe Oct 02 13:24:43 well...gas is ok, when you have gas pipes in your region Oct 02 13:24:49 sure Oct 02 13:24:56 but mostly you need to set up your own gas tank Oct 02 13:24:57 otherwise you are on CampingGaz :) Oct 02 13:25:09 av500: yeah 1ton of it :D Oct 02 13:25:10 I guess in Canada they had a brief trial of natural gas and they had a PR disaster involving quite a few people dieing so I guess they gave up on it. Oct 02 13:25:25 thats what she said (could be completely wrong). Oct 02 13:25:33 http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/fbbuploads/1262370122-campingaz-carena-stove-LRG.jpg Oct 02 13:25:52 anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence :) Oct 02 13:25:54 huge difference in costs between those of us in this area sitting at the end of the gas lines..and those stuck with LP tanks Oct 02 13:25:58 av500: 403 Oct 02 13:26:15 LP costs are awful due partly to trucking fuel costs Oct 02 13:26:27 mdp: you can powe the truck with gas too :) Oct 02 13:26:29 power Oct 02 13:26:40 av500, that's just not done much here ;) Oct 02 13:26:44 yeah but then your truck will use the gas you want to deliver :D Oct 02 13:26:50 mdp: ah, well, have a nest then Oct 02 13:26:54 I like how the LP trucks run on diesel ;) Oct 02 13:26:55 its magic Oct 02 13:27:05 haha Oct 02 13:27:09 I like magic Oct 02 13:27:53 I used to play that card game with my co-nerds. heh Oct 02 13:28:02 mdp: most trucks run on diesel. Actually it#s quite difficult to make a truck run on anything else than diesel or frying oil :D Oct 02 13:28:34 All of the busses here run on natural gas Oct 02 13:28:39 a lot of the people by me augment their LP heat with wood burners since the former is soo expensive Oct 02 13:28:59 Phrewfuf|work: yeah, like georgem says, it's not uncommon to have fleet vehicles use CNG Oct 02 13:29:35 I just noticed that the LP delivery trucks in this area don't do that...probably don't get enough subsidy ;) Oct 02 13:29:43 mdp: i know, but you need a whole another kind of engine, which - at least here in germany - still has not found its way into trucks Oct 02 13:30:10 at least it's what i know of, because they advertise this on the vehicles all the time -.- Oct 02 13:30:23 "this car runs on gas! *fart*" Oct 02 13:30:34 "this bus uses LPG" Oct 02 13:31:09 this postal service delivery vehicle runs environmentally friendly on gas" Oct 02 13:31:12 I continue to protest against the name LPG Oct 02 13:31:22 liquid gas! Oct 02 13:31:22 in france its GPL Oct 02 13:31:25 never seen fuel delivery trucks with anything like that on them :D Oct 02 13:31:52 koen, we just call it "LP" here Oct 02 13:32:09 koen: high pressure leads to the gas becoming liquid Oct 02 13:32:33 even higher pressure and it becomes a gas again :) Oct 02 13:32:34 it's the same as with liquid notrogen Oct 02 13:32:36 nitro* Oct 02 13:32:41 hey, enough of that science crap here! Oct 02 13:32:42 av500: wat? ôo Oct 02 13:32:50 and some sparks Oct 02 13:33:10 nope, liquid gas won't ignite Oct 02 13:33:25 it needs to be in gas form to be able to ignite Oct 02 13:33:59 this is why regular fuel only burns on the surface, because it's actually evaporating and the vapor is burning Oct 02 13:34:03 Oct 02 13:34:41 [15:32:41] hey, enough of that science crap here! Oct 02 13:34:47 Phrewfuf|work: you have been warned! Oct 02 13:35:07 Oh. So maybe thats why my furnace doesn't cause the entire neighborhood to explode when it ignites the gas. Oct 02 13:38:02 av500: well i still have no answer about the beagle trainer on a panda dilemma and i'm bored as hell :D Oct 02 13:38:33 yes Oct 02 13:38:36 they should work Oct 02 13:38:38 together Oct 02 13:38:40 more or less Oct 02 13:38:50 panda has beagle compatible extension header Oct 02 13:38:53 mostly Oct 02 13:38:54 ymmv Oct 02 13:38:58 To change the subject... Has anyone used the FTDI port for JTAG on the beaglebone? I'm used to using a BDI3000. How does it compare to that? Oct 02 13:38:58 check the schematics Oct 02 13:39:50 georgem: it sucks compared to BDI3000 since it's using USB Oct 02 13:40:52 but when it's all you've got on beaglebone... Oct 02 13:41:49 yeah... haven't needed a jtag so far with the beaglebone. knock on wood. Oct 02 13:42:00 dont brick it Oct 02 13:42:07 never erase the ROM code!!!! Oct 02 13:42:19 av500: well i guess i will just get the pinouts of both and compare them Oct 02 13:42:44 I wont stop you :) Oct 02 13:43:11 georgem, http://elinux.org/Running_OpenOCD_on_Linux_with_the_Beaglebone, try it Oct 02 13:43:22 mdp: cool thanks Oct 02 13:43:51 georgem, I mostly use printk and my brain...if I was doing board bringup...then I'd lean on it more Oct 02 13:44:18 mdp: I see in what order you use your tools :) Oct 02 13:44:36 printk is usually more reliable than the brain Oct 02 13:44:48 oh wait a second...can i use the JTAG-headers on a panda to...let's say...program a FPGA? Oct 02 13:44:49 av500, not subtle enough? Oct 02 13:45:04 av500, sometimes you engage what I call "the shotgun method" before the brain ;) Oct 02 13:45:10 mdp: yeah. mainly board bring up is when ive used it. Sometimes I've used a JTAG in combination with a logic analyzer and kprobes to solve some pretty tricky realtime kernel issues. Oct 02 13:46:16 yeah, trace stuff is far more useful for serious kernel debug issues Oct 02 13:47:18 there's been cases where I had early devel drivers states where breakpointing and having a script to dump a buffer up to the host for some processing and visualizaton (like video) stuff made it very useful Oct 02 13:48:03 we have smart people to do new devel here so I just get to worry about rewriting code semantics ;) Oct 02 13:48:12 mdp: lol Oct 02 13:50:09 av500, I'm imagining a device erratum that allows the ROM code to be erased ;) Oct 02 13:50:31 "Will not be fixed. Workaround: don't do that!" Oct 02 13:52:17 +1 Oct 02 14:04:03 hello Oct 02 14:04:08 koen: It built and booted: http://pastebin.com/B6XeZYQ8 Oct 02 14:04:17 I have a problem with the BeagleBoard xm Oct 02 14:04:25 I need help, please Oct 02 14:04:34 shoot Oct 02 14:06:08 I built a project in my PC (x86) and port it to the beagle and run it with ". /" I says "-bash:. / Test: Not such file or directory" Oct 02 14:06:12 why? Oct 02 14:06:48 I sure hope you've cross compiled for ARM Oct 02 14:07:10 yes Oct 02 14:07:12 issue a 'file Test' on the bbxm Oct 02 14:07:24 and then do ldd Test Oct 02 14:09:56 ldd? I don´t understand... sorry my english is limited Oct 02 14:10:10 ldd is a command Oct 02 14:10:25 it will show if you are missing any dynamic libraries Oct 02 14:11:11 ah okk Oct 02 14:11:39 I will try it, thank you very much Oct 02 14:13:20 np Oct 02 14:14:18 The result of doing "ldd. / Test": "Not a dynamic executable" (Compiled with qmake for ARM) Oct 02 14:14:43 :( Oct 02 14:17:40 run file on it Oct 02 14:17:48 file test Oct 02 14:17:59 or on your host readelf -a test Oct 02 14:18:31 readelf -h test Oct 02 14:20:26 ok thanks Oct 02 14:23:23 The output is "ELF32bits ...., ARM, version 1" can not believe that I need to install any library in my OS of the beagle? Oct 02 14:23:47 I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on beagle Oct 02 14:24:52 probably soft-float vs. hard-float Oct 02 14:25:08 yeah Oct 02 14:25:20 doesn't ubuntu provide a arm toolchain? Oct 02 14:26:12 yes, the linaro toolchain is packaged Oct 02 14:26:26 with a canonical hacks applied Oct 02 14:27:38 morning gentlemen and trolls Oct 02 14:28:46 mranostay: trolololololo Oct 02 14:29:04 mranostay: slept well in the glow light? Oct 02 14:30:09 No spontaneous excursions? Oct 02 14:38:15 mranostay, are you ready to learn to use advanced pointers now? Oct 02 14:41:13 pointers to pointers? Oct 02 14:43:53 those are still only pointers Oct 02 14:44:02 same if you add another level, or yet another Oct 02 14:44:14 if I have a pointer and do ++ on it, did I advance it? Oct 02 14:54:20 how can I add usb mass storage support to u-boot? assume musb is already ported, completely Oct 02 14:55:09 afenkart: trying to boot off of usb instead of mmc? Oct 02 14:55:36 yes, debrick device from usb stick Oct 02 14:57:14 it has mmc but it is non removable? Oct 02 14:57:33 no mmc Oct 02 14:57:58 debrick? Oct 02 14:58:09 you still need to load uboot from sd, no? Oct 02 14:58:36 yeah, how would you load u-boot Oct 02 15:01:08 afenkart, you forgot to list the complete set of ROM bootable interfaces on the board or mention if this is on a beagle* Oct 02 15:04:29 @av500: not debrick, u-boot is still from nand, @mdp: its not beagle but very similar http://pastebin.com/caraZ4hA Oct 02 15:05:10 sry, hit to early, the pastebin is what is on u-boot master, I'd like to extend that also to usb mass storage and wonder what needs to be done. Oct 02 15:05:49 so currently it can do gadget aka device but I need host. Oct 02 15:06:00 the am335x mention seems to imply that you have an am335x custom board Oct 02 15:06:17 is that true? Oct 02 15:06:54 legally yes, but technically the schematics differ only minor. Oct 02 15:08:52 well, don't take this the wrong way...but I've been hearing, "it's just like FOO_REF_BRD" for years when the custom board ends up being broken Oct 02 15:08:58 but in any case Oct 02 15:09:15 are you asking how to get u-boot spl loaded via usb? Oct 02 15:09:40 because you are describing usb host...and the rom doesn't support that Oct 02 15:10:22 uart0 is the easiest and well-supported path Oct 02 15:12:54 if you are just like a beaglebone then I know you have uart0 available Oct 02 15:13:30 or use jtag Oct 02 15:14:38 for devs yes, but not for end customers... actually the u-boot is untouched, only kernel/rootfs ended up broken and we want to restore that.. see alse here http://pastebin.com/AEAfjaWk Oct 02 15:14:41 so the question is... probably: 'given latest u-boot for am335x support ether gadget mode, what needs to be done to make it mount and read from a usb stick?' Oct 02 15:16:28 afenkart, configure or develop musb host support (if it doesn't exist in u-boot) and replace your u-boot with one with musb host support enabled Oct 02 15:17:08 plenty of people have use usb mass storage with omap ehci in u-boot for production in that past Oct 02 15:17:17 after lots of ehci fixes ;) Oct 02 15:18:27 that's my fear, given that musb gadget works... what does it buy me? is there a dedicated #irc for u-boot on beagle? Oct 02 15:19:42 afenkart, no, but #u-boot works fairly well Oct 02 15:19:43 well, give that the ti custodian does am335x/beaglebone work, and he's the temporary u-boot maintainer...you're likely to get plenty of solid advice on the regular u-boot channel Oct 02 15:21:42 and for musb? Oct 02 15:23:07 he worked for mentor in the past, so he's an expert in musb Oct 02 15:23:35 * koen hides now Oct 02 15:23:40 LOL Oct 02 15:24:19 * mdp hangs the scarlet letter M on Tartarus. Oct 02 15:28:35 M for megaawesome? sure, thanks. Oct 02 15:29:14 clearly Oct 02 15:29:36 also, afk a bit :) Oct 02 15:47:43 afenkart: The starting point for MUSB is mainline and then this series of patches, http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/bundle/trini/ilya-yanok-musb-rfc-v2/ Oct 02 15:48:10 It'd be good to (a) get confirmation it works for others and then (b) help with porting the other platforms to use this MUSB core so that the changes can go in Oct 02 15:48:47 afenkart: And coordinate with ilyanok over there, it's his series :) Oct 02 15:49:33 afenkart: if you have NAND, use a 2nd recovery kernel and a small initramfs Oct 02 15:49:47 that saves you from developing usb drivers in boot loader and kernel Oct 02 15:51:20 limiting exposure to usb is a quality of life issue Oct 02 15:51:34 us Oct 02 15:51:35 yes Oct 02 15:51:59 if you can spare 2MB in NAND, use a 2nd kernel Oct 02 15:52:05 Anyone seen this? http://www.phytec.com/products/som/Cortex-A8/phyCORE-AM335x.html Oct 02 15:52:13 yes Oct 02 15:52:18 yes Oct 02 15:55:44 still wondering if somebody will pop up with dts patches for that and their carrier board. Oct 02 16:12:37 Hello, Has anyone installed Ubuntu 12.04LTS QtCreator on the BeagleBoard? Oct 02 16:50:08 Hello, Has anyone installed Ubuntu 12.04LTS QtCreator on the BeagleBoard? Oct 02 16:50:42 I need help, pleasee Oct 02 17:02:00 you're asking an ubuntu/Qt question. that has probably nothing to do with the BB specifically. Oct 02 17:02:48 Hrrrm... I thought someone yesterday said 3.6.0 rt was "stable". Don't see a tag here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-stable-rt.git;a=summary Oct 02 17:07:39 dm8tbr: I think it has to do with the Beagle, when my question is if anyone has installed the BB QtCreator under Ubuntu 12.04 Oct 02 17:08:35 well then the answer seems to be no Oct 02 17:08:57 Looks like beaglebone-3.6/patch.sh needs to be updated to v3.6 a0d271cbfed1dd50278c6b06bead3d00ba0a88f9 Oct 02 17:20:05 thanks Oct 02 17:20:38 one of the commits in the beaglebone-3.2 kernel breaks USB on my armeb-xscale. "ehci_hcd 0000:00:01.2: coherent DMA mask 0x3ffffff is smaller than system GFP_DMA mask 0xffffffff" I suppose I'll go hunt that down. Probably needs to be an #ifdef somewhere. Oct 02 17:25:10 * georgem wags finger at people that don't #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_ their goofy commits. Oct 02 17:29:19 which finger? Oct 02 17:30:32 georgem, the am335x vendor kernel has a "scorched earth" policy when it comes to making am335x work Oct 02 17:30:34 Ha, good question. Oct 02 17:31:09 I'm sure that makes getting commits accepted upstream easy ;) Oct 02 17:31:39 upstream is a separate project Oct 02 17:31:53 * georgem face palms Oct 02 17:32:26 everything is being rewritten properly Oct 02 17:32:37 well, thats a good thing at least Oct 02 17:32:58 how else would you do HW bringup ? Oct 02 17:33:01 If you write it correctly the first time you don't need to rewrite it properly though. heh Oct 02 17:34:01 georgem, it's just that there were only a handful of people and a schedule to do the bringup/"production" kernel ;) Oct 02 17:34:05 you do what you can do Oct 02 17:34:05 correctly usually needs more time than vendors have to bring up the HW to show it to the market Oct 02 17:34:52 thats at least true for all vendors i ever worked with Oct 02 17:35:02 imagine beaglebone with only what works in linux-next today Oct 02 17:35:17 enjoy that uart! Oct 02 17:35:21 -next ? maniline :) Oct 02 17:35:22 yeah. the business types are always derailing things Oct 02 17:35:41 well, without them you wuldnt get cheap hardware :) Oct 02 17:36:14 if the business guys make good business they can make good prices too ;) Oct 02 17:37:41 and they apparently make better business if they do it faster :P Oct 02 17:37:49 I'm just saying I think anyone who knowingly breaks a section of arch independent code with a commit instead of putting an #ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_OMAP or something around it probably needs to be hit with a blunt object. Oct 02 17:38:11 if he does that in a mainline commit, sure :) Oct 02 17:38:45 no, period. thats just laziness. Oct 02 17:38:53 in a vendor kernel that only has one purpose "bring up all HW on the device as fast as you can" ... not so much Oct 02 17:39:11 thats like saying you're in a hurry to get to work so you don't have time to pick up your dogs doo doo on your morning walk. Oct 02 17:39:52 no Oct 02 17:40:02 ogra_, yeah, I'm stuck still saying linux-next even after the pull happened ;) Oct 02 17:40:20 * mdp kicks koen for beaglebone -3.7 ;) Oct 02 17:42:51 ogra_: If you're doing careless stuff like that just make sure you don't keep any blunt objects around you :P Oct 02 17:43:33 i'm not doing such stuff, but i'm in agreement with the people that do because i understand tehir processes Oct 02 17:43:45 * ogra_ doesnt touch kernels if he hasnt to :) Oct 02 17:44:02 I think there is a line between rapid development and utter carelessness. Oct 02 17:44:09 georgem: I did that in something that got pulled into beaglebone-3.6...but then it was clearly marked as a HACK and sitting in one of my WIP branches Oct 02 17:44:36 mdp: ok. yeah if you do that, thats totally alright Oct 02 17:44:46 mdp: you at least showed you cared Oct 02 17:44:58 that alternative is to hide everything until it's "perfect" Oct 02 17:45:08