**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:59 2012 Oct 04 05:02:13 wheeeeeee beagle can see humidity Oct 04 05:06:20 <_av500_> dropped it into a pail? Oct 04 05:07:15 that's what I was thinking Oct 04 05:07:29 unfortunately, there is no moisture sensor sticker, so joke's on TI Oct 04 05:09:18 ds2: ? Oct 04 05:09:23 I can only see humidity when the air gets hazy. Oct 04 05:10:12 that is smog Oct 04 05:16:20 "don't trust any air you can't see" Oct 04 05:27:19 <_av500_> dont breathe the yellow air Oct 04 05:52:47 _av500_: mustard gas? Oct 04 05:57:43 mranostay: got the humidity sensor working on the beagle Oct 04 05:59:08 <_av500_> i2c? Oct 04 05:59:12 <_av500_> bitbanged? Oct 04 05:59:38 no, proprietary Oct 04 05:59:43 so it is bitbanged Oct 04 06:14:03 ds2: why proprietary? Oct 04 06:14:40 <_av500_> it detects heavy water Oct 04 06:14:52 cuz the chip designer didn't wanted to do I2C? Oct 04 06:14:56 not my chip Oct 04 06:15:12 "bitbanged"...sheesh Oct 04 06:15:18 it is 2 wires and they say it will co-exists on a I2C bus Oct 04 06:15:23 ds2, my condolences Oct 04 06:15:44 ka6sox: driver is upstreamed already :D Oct 04 06:15:49 wheee Oct 04 06:15:58 life was easy Oct 04 06:16:31 <_av500_> maybe the chip is just blotter paper between GPIO and GND Oct 04 06:16:43 maybe :D Oct 04 06:32:21 ds2: sht11? Oct 04 06:36:48 koen: missing a letter in there :P Oct 04 06:39:37 koen: SHT15 but same protocol Oct 04 06:39:54 koen: sounds like you used it before? Oct 04 06:40:58 ds2: there's a sht15 on my desk Oct 04 06:41:16 koen: what's ur plans for that? Oct 04 06:41:17 ds2: never got around to trying the driver, the weathercape uses that sht2x Oct 04 06:41:29 the driver literally just works Oct 04 06:41:59 I was so surprised. only hitch was I had the GPIO setup for gpio-keys (it used to be a button). fix that and it works flawlessly Oct 04 06:42:28 I'll keep that in mind for the next spin of the weather cape Oct 04 06:42:45 huge difference in BOM cost if we can use sht1 Oct 04 06:42:46 x Oct 04 06:42:55 really? who's your supplier? Oct 04 06:43:04 I am seeing quotes for the SHT2x being cheaper Oct 04 06:49:59 koen: what are you using as the barometer? Oct 04 06:52:44 a shield full of sht's? Oct 04 06:53:08 come home on your shield Oct 04 06:54:21 SHT's are humidity Oct 04 07:28:30 ds2: bmp085 Oct 04 08:18:16 hey, guys. Oct 04 08:18:45 last time i was here, av500 told me, that the beagle trainer was discontinued. Is there (any plan for) a substitute? Oct 04 08:21:35 not that we know of Oct 04 08:22:02 if you need a specific interface the trainer provides, you could consider soldering that yourself Oct 04 08:25:15 av500: that#s the plan Oct 04 08:25:32 i want to make something between the bamboo and the trainer for the pandaboard Oct 04 08:32:17 instead of the lame atmega328 there will be an atmega32u4 Oct 04 08:32:39 for one, the 32u4 has more capabilities Oct 04 08:32:42 sure Oct 04 08:33:19 for the other, it's easier to connect, since the 32u4 has hardware USB, so i can route the connections on the PCB straight to the USB-pins of the panda :D Oct 04 08:34:47 so essentially i will also save the money for an FTDI--chip, which is needed for a 328 since it has no usb Oct 04 08:35:46 and you still can upload the arduino bootloader on the 32u4...actually atop of the preinstalled usb-bootloader Oct 04 08:36:50 hm...can anyone tell me what the chips u1-u4 on the trainer do? Oct 04 08:36:57 I dont see why you need an FTDI at all Oct 04 08:37:08 panda can talk to atmel over SPI Oct 04 08:37:10 or I2C Oct 04 08:37:33 valid point, haven't thought of that Oct 04 08:39:59 still i would like to use a 32u4 Oct 04 08:40:44 ah u1-u4 are level converters Oct 04 08:40:54 5 to 3,3 Oct 04 08:42:50 1.8 to 3.3. rather Oct 04 08:43:19 huh? the GPIOs on the panda are 1.8v? Oct 04 08:44:15 of course Oct 04 08:44:32 i2c and spi too? Oct 04 08:44:38 anything Oct 04 08:44:46 except USB hopefully :D Oct 04 08:44:57 of course Oct 04 08:45:07 and one mmc to boot from Oct 04 08:48:05 regular sd/mmc interface? Oct 04 08:53:09 yes Oct 04 08:53:10 or sgain something fancy where i need serious electronics wizardry? Oct 04 08:53:26 see the panda schematics Oct 04 08:53:54 awesome...more storage, still have those microSD slots flying around not knowing where to solder them on Oct 04 08:54:41 well no Oct 04 08:54:44 oh wait...any idea if sd and microsd are essentially the same stuff? Oct 04 08:54:48 yes Oct 04 08:54:54 crap -.- Oct 04 08:55:02 still, omap4 has one 3.3v sd/mmc Oct 04 08:55:07 the one on the board Oct 04 08:55:14 if you add more, you need level shifters Oct 04 08:55:17 like on the trainer Oct 04 08:55:20 see the schematics Oct 04 08:55:27 its all open Oct 04 08:55:46 wait, the panda has one sd/mmc slot...the main one, where one does boot from Oct 04 08:56:02 and pinouts of the expansion headers say, there is another one Oct 04 08:56:24 so, i can connect two sd cards to it, right? Oct 04 08:56:39 the second one needs some soldering action, of course Oct 04 08:57:22 is that correct? Oct 04 09:03:50 btw, another reason to connect an atmel IC via USB instead of SPI is the same, why the trainer rev B has this: 2x2 header break-out for the TXD and RXD signals going to the ATMEGA328. Oct 04 09:05:34 in case i want to do both without bothering too much about chipselect on SPI Oct 04 09:14:01 because for me, to be honest, it is somehow easier to say "hey you, mr. 32u4 there. Be a serial device and communicate via USB" instead of trying to make SPI run properly with linux atop of it :D Oct 04 10:35:16 av500: any idea what the panda will do with the eeprom on the trainer? Will it also set the correct MUX settings, or will i have to set them manually? Oct 04 10:37:31 beagle should Oct 04 10:37:36 for panda I dont know Oct 04 10:37:45 if somebody did that work Oct 04 10:38:45 i'm wondering if i need to change the MUX at all on the panda Oct 04 10:38:52 i know i can, but do i need to? Oct 04 10:39:32 btw av500 what's with the SD-Cards now, how many SD/MMC interfaces (with a slot or on pinout) does the panda have? Oct 04 10:39:48 * av500 hints again at reading the schematics Oct 04 10:39:51 and the SRM Oct 04 10:40:04 * av500 does not feel like typing up stuff all day here Oct 04 10:49:12 ok, ok, judging from the schematics page 5, 9 and 13, there are two interfaces for SD/MMC Oct 04 10:49:32 these two are independet from each other Oct 04 10:51:08 SDMMC1 is used for the card slot on the board and SDMMC2 is on J3 Oct 04 11:01:10 also a nice to know information: the sdmmc-slot has ESD-protection (TPD6E001RSER) Oct 04 11:01:23 the sdmmc pins on J3 do not Oct 04 12:34:19 Phrewfuf|work, thanks for pointing out the esd protection, neat little part that will be useful to me! Oct 04 12:49:30 bradfa: you're welcome Oct 04 12:50:40 mother of god...this is more complicated than i thought. I need to combine the circuits of Bamboo (well, not much there), beagle Trainer and Zippy2 >.< Oct 04 12:51:13 depends on what you want Oct 04 12:56:56 av500: here's a list: RTC, second SD-Card slot, i2c, SPI, Mega32u4 with pinout, levelconverting to 5V and 3.3, GPIO-LEDs, Power-LED, Power Switch, User Buttons on a better position, USB-Port (just one, the 32u4 will use the second one), CAN-Interface Oct 04 12:57:00 Yeah, that#s about it Oct 04 12:57:47 GPIOs from the panda are optional since i just could use the mega32u4 to provide GPIO over USB Oct 04 15:00:40 Hi, I need help with the define a spi driver in the kernel of my beaglebone, a IC power-meter ADE7753.... Oct 04 15:01:49 Anybody how to know define this knid of driver, t work with spi? Oct 04 15:10:57 google knows Oct 04 15:29:51 * mdp looks in uncyclopedia for a spi driver definition Oct 04 15:42:09 hmm, how does poky relate to oe? Oct 04 15:42:43 what is "the poky build system"? Oct 04 15:57:56 ha Crofton Oct 04 15:58:05 [17:42:09] hmm, how does poky relate to oe? Oct 04 15:58:07 [17:42:43] what is "the poky build system"? Oct 04 16:01:51 http://elinux.org/Poky Oct 04 16:03:06 if poky is a build system, what it OE? Oct 04 16:03:20 arrgh Oct 04 16:03:31 Crofton|work: no malice, I am just curious Oct 04 16:03:35 av500: ask Koen :) Oct 04 16:03:41 hell no Oct 04 16:03:49 ^_^ Oct 04 16:03:55 the yocto AB likes people being confused Oct 04 16:04:03 Crofton|work is on that board Oct 04 16:04:35 koen: resistance seems futile. You tried, we know. Oct 04 16:04:50 I bring this up constantly Oct 04 16:05:15 Crofton|work: can you answer my question? Oct 04 16:06:14 I should point out that the page is from 2007 Oct 04 16:06:30 poky is oe-core + meta-yocto Oct 04 16:06:52 Crofton|work: exhibit a: http://www.aosabook.org/en/yocto.html Oct 04 16:06:53 alguien habla espanol?? Oct 04 16:07:04 "The Poky build system is the core of the Yocto Project" Oct 04 16:07:38 yeah, I saw that too Oct 04 16:07:46 ah Oct 04 16:07:50 that is more of a problem Oct 04 16:08:02 here: " At the project's core is the Poky build system, created by Richard Purdie. It began as a stabilized branch of OpenEmbedded Oct 04 16:08:04 except that poky failed the yocto compliance test Oct 04 16:08:19 so poky is a branch/fork of OE Oct 04 16:08:28 that should get a lot more press: poky is not yocto complaint Oct 04 16:08:39 I had a perfectly fine mroning looking at fancy oscilloscopes Oct 04 16:09:23 "...Over time, it slowly coalesced into more than just an embedded build system, but into a complete software development platform..." Oct 04 16:09:29 ? Oct 04 16:09:42 so it is not a build system, it is one and it is more than one Oct 04 16:10:19 av500: mallum branded everything 'poky' Oct 04 16:10:34 and RP holds on to that Oct 04 16:10:34 poky all the things! Oct 04 16:10:37 like I said Oct 04 16:10:47 the yocto ab likes people being confused Oct 04 16:11:00 I can sell you some mvista support to unconfuse you Oct 04 16:11:06 or some mentor support Oct 04 16:11:08 or ... Oct 04 16:13:26 I like how that book above uses poky, bitbake and oe interchangeably all the time Oct 04 16:15:02 that chapter about bitbake IPC is useles Oct 04 16:15:05 I dont care Oct 04 16:15:08 it should just work Oct 04 16:16:17 here is the other point of view Oct 04 16:16:18 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded-Core Oct 04 16:16:28 ah, but this book is not about yocto per se Oct 04 16:16:49 Re-Poky, in the Introduction Oct 04 16:17:06 yocto is just an example of a "complex" system Oct 04 16:18:40 ant_work: right, that calls it a fork Oct 04 16:18:58 best of Yocto is already in oe-core (imho) Oct 04 16:19:15 outstanding is linux-yocto + kernel config tools Oct 04 16:19:44 a.k.a. they thake care of the updates :) Oct 04 16:20:23 ant_work: i trust you, I was just confused (as planned according to koen) wrt that book chapter Oct 04 16:21:56 I still can't believe that I made them split of oe-core and name it like that Oct 04 16:22:09 sadly that seemed to have used up all my influence Oct 04 16:22:25 so we are only 30% done with removing confusion Oct 04 16:23:18 the beatings will continue until people get this right Oct 04 16:23:39 the original sin is that Poky was called buildsystem AND Distro Oct 04 16:23:46 yes Oct 04 16:24:00 we will make RP east in a tapas place Oct 04 16:24:08 heh Oct 04 16:24:24 east? Oct 04 16:24:27 yeast? Oct 04 16:24:33 * XorA|gone chucks some words into a pot and stirs a bit Oct 04 16:30:32 * ogra_ adds some hop to the discussion Oct 04 16:30:56 after lunch I will bitch at the advocacy part of yocto about of message interwebs stuff Oct 04 16:32:01 * XorA|gone decides to invent the upchuck build system Oct 04 16:32:58 this can of course be accellerated by over consumption of malt, hops, barley! Oct 04 16:33:23 nunchuck blows to strategic places Oct 04 16:33:35 anyway, there isn't much in meta-yocto layer anymore, just the Poky config Oct 04 16:33:55 ah, that makes it much more clear Oct 04 16:34:05 not Oct 04 16:35:54 also, I dont buy her comclusions Oct 04 16:35:59 conclusions Oct 04 16:36:41 koen, lol "30% done with removing confusion"...I shall use that phrase liberally now, thx! Oct 04 16:37:00 "like entropy, you cannot remove confusion Oct 04 16:37:05 the conclusions are, the poky layer is auto-sufficient, it has bitbake, the metadata and the Poky policies Oct 04 16:37:15 err. he Yocto policies ;) Oct 04 16:37:20 does it bitbang? Oct 04 16:37:33 av500, it looks like a percentage complete type task I could find on a mgmt gannt chart Oct 04 16:37:53 ant_work: as I see it, once you define Yocto, people ask you what is poky? then if you define poky, you get asked, but what is yocto? Oct 04 16:38:07 tell them is an umbrella Oct 04 16:38:16 which one? Oct 04 16:38:20 :) Oct 04 16:38:22 what color? Oct 04 16:38:34 together, they are a double-ended umbrella Oct 04 16:38:59 dumbrella Oct 04 16:39:05 heh Oct 04 16:39:59 one of the manifestations of LF+CELF Oct 04 16:43:02 alguien me podria decir cual linux es el mejor en procesamiento de imagenes en el beaglebone Oct 04 16:43:04 ? Oct 04 16:47:08 try in english Oct 04 16:49:12 av500: wait there are other languages? Oct 04 16:49:56 Fermin_: everyone here speaks English very few would know Spanish Oct 04 16:55:10 oks, sorry for my english, i'm using ueye camera,open-cv + aforge + matlab in windows, what's the best linux OS for processing image,best performance and compatibity, sorry for my english Oct 04 16:56:31 the best Linux is Linux Oct 04 16:56:48 av500: torvalds' version? Oct 04 16:57:06 Fermin_: for the beagleboard, use Angstrom if you want support here Oct 04 16:57:13 angstrom , ubuntu, ?? Oct 04 16:57:15 hiho Oct 04 16:57:20 lilo Oct 04 16:57:28 av500 go to #angstrom for support Oct 04 16:57:50 angstROM Oct 04 16:58:34 hrm, TI should put angstrom in the ROM Oct 04 16:58:57 these days, GangRam is more popular Oct 04 16:59:32 heh Oct 04 16:59:43 i need more angst for my ROM personally Oct 04 16:59:51 * mranostay wave to koen :) Oct 04 17:00:20 mranostay, Tartarus claims there's plenty of angst associated with the ROM Oct 04 17:01:33 fun another poky failure in the night Oct 04 17:01:52 * mranostay search drawer for bottle of Maker's Mark Oct 04 17:06:36 oks, about the kernel, i need the version 2.6 for the camera (the company said), do you now if last version is backwards, sorry for my english Oct 04 17:07:17 fermin lol 2.6 is old Oct 04 17:07:29 something sure is backwards... Oct 04 17:07:44 yes start porting the driver Oct 04 17:07:59 it's actually several years since I've seen a 2.4 kernel Oct 04 17:08:13 mru running? Oct 04 17:08:24 running or otherwise Oct 04 17:11:17 I never saw mru running Oct 04 17:11:35 even after he set the explosives? Oct 04 17:11:51 mranostay: I'd like to think I'm more competent than that Oct 04 17:11:58 he'd use a timer Oct 04 17:12:07 now, Posix or HR Oct 04 17:12:29 a fuse is a timer :P Oct 04 17:13:50 av500: does it really need to explode within microseconds? :) Oct 04 17:14:44 mranostay: ask these guys: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2xmU2g0EtSM/UG2WBTur8AI/AAAAAAABSPg/_Z4Ku0jGDsQ/w497-h373/1349357545999.gif Oct 04 17:14:52 mranostay: depends Oct 04 17:15:09 for a controlled demolition with multiple charges, exact timing is required Oct 04 17:15:25 controlled is boring Oct 04 17:15:39 controlled is only a matter of perspective Oct 04 17:15:54 I'm assuming the target has no control at all here Oct 04 17:23:15 maybe there is a need to save power to avoid a dead battery condition Oct 04 17:27:08 i'm thinking model rocket launcher would be also cool Oct 04 17:27:30 with opencv to track targets :) Oct 04 17:39:31 mranostay I gues they already use opencv Oct 04 17:54:46 http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Republic-of-Radio-Linda-Doyle-2 Oct 04 18:21:09 koen: what was ur reason for going with digital sensors vs using say, the honeywell humidity and the old motorola pressure coupled into the bone's on board ADC? that's got to be cheaper Oct 04 18:23:07 ds2: it is crap iirc :) Oct 04 18:23:18 mranostay: which is crap? Oct 04 18:23:23 ADC? sensors? digital sensors? Oct 04 18:23:54 ds2: you are asking why he picked SHTxx right Oct 04 18:24:07 mranostay: and the BMP part Oct 04 18:24:31 he mentioned BOM cost is an issue...using analog sensors with the internal ADCs should help with the costs Oct 04 18:44:18 ds2: it saves pins and effort Oct 04 18:44:47 ds2: with the i2c ones I have nice linux drivers, no need to write my own driver or middle ware to convert ADC value to want I need Oct 04 18:45:40 or you can save memory, leave out those drivers, and bitbang it too Oct 04 18:45:43 lots of options Oct 04 18:50:37 * mranostay kicks mdp :) Oct 04 19:01:24 *sigh* damn windows programmers touching source files Oct 04 19:03:01 my favourite is when they end up with a random mix of line break styles withing a single file Oct 04 19:03:20 and then they configure cvs to automatically convert Oct 04 19:03:26 but they get it wrong Oct 04 19:03:43 so every cycle adds another \r to every line Oct 04 19:04:05 windows editors happily ignore this, so everybody is oblivious Oct 04 19:04:10 * mru has actually seen that happen Oct 04 19:07:49 i swear everytime i get a vendor source tree it is find . -name *.[ch] -exec dos2unix {} \; Oct 04 19:07:59 i need to make that an alias Oct 04 19:08:56 *barf* Oct 04 19:08:56 mmm...vendor code Oct 04 19:09:16 mranostay, did you see the nxp hdmi xmit driver? Oct 04 19:10:35 poor joelagnel has had to work with this one: https://github.com/joelagnel/beagle-nxp-hdmi/tree/master/hdmi Oct 04 19:11:43 nothing like getting handed vendor code makes you want to polish the resume :P Oct 04 19:11:48 * mranostay looks Oct 04 19:12:22 * mru hands mranostay a rag and some cv wax Oct 04 19:12:59 mdp: i like the use of switch statements :) Oct 04 19:13:55 like this? http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_FOR-CASE_paradigm.aspx Oct 04 19:14:20 mranostay, joelagnel was just telling me there's a hidden gem in there where they hardcode omap dss timings into this "generic" driver. Oct 04 19:14:26 good stuff Oct 04 19:14:42 but they hardcode it in a generic way Oct 04 19:15:42 mru: is that VB? Oct 04 19:15:53 maybe Oct 04 19:16:45 generic hardcoded bitbanging Oct 04 19:16:50 I'll drink to that Oct 04 19:17:47 * mranostay vaguely remembers VB Oct 04 19:18:03 i think the years of drinking have made that go away : Oct 04 19:22:45 mru: also love the lack of a BREAK statemnt Oct 04 19:23:01 mranostay: VB probably doesn't have that Oct 04 19:50:08 <_av500_> mdp: nxp hdmi driver rings a bell Oct 04 19:50:24 <_av500_> mdp: what chip? Oct 04 19:50:29 _av500_: it's the one and same you're using Oct 04 19:50:38 (chip, not driver) Oct 04 19:50:44 <_av500_> :) Oct 04 19:51:03 <_av500_> remember, we were there first - for all values of there :) Oct 04 19:51:16 and some values of first Oct 04 19:51:20 <_av500_> yep Oct 04 19:51:29 fruity values Oct 04 19:51:47 mranostay, switch(there) ;) Oct 04 19:52:23 _av500_: did you do that as well? Oct 04 19:52:29 when you were there Oct 04 19:59:09 <_av500_> I was in...Sang Bang... Dang Gong... I was all over the place, a lot of places. Oct 04 20:01:35 <_av500_> koen: that driver totally looks like the one we have Oct 04 20:09:08 koen: I see. Oct 04 20:10:09 holy crap Oct 04 20:10:44 had to deal with that same nxp driver like 6 months ago Oct 04 20:12:21 wonder who's the #@!$!#$%#@%$@##@$@ stilling using those chips Oct 04 20:12:47 ds2, nxp is the low bidder in the market I hear ;) Oct 04 20:13:13 oh :( Oct 04 20:13:23 I'd gladly pay more to get rid of that crap Oct 04 20:13:35 those chips are full of unpleasantness Oct 04 20:13:53 that's not how the purchasing manager sees things Oct 04 20:13:58 because it's not his problem Oct 04 20:14:18 that's why purchasing should be made into a dept under Engineering ;) Oct 04 20:14:32 preferablly with a cube right in the middle of a sea of engineers that has to work on it Oct 04 20:14:41 and with half heigh walls on all 4 sides too Oct 04 20:14:57 and pointy sticks Oct 04 20:15:19 I prefer heavy blunt objects ;) Oct 04 20:15:34 pointy sticks have maintence issues Oct 04 20:15:39 battle axes are ok Oct 04 20:20:51 <_av500_> we are talking 1/10 of cents here Oct 04 20:20:54 <_av500_> guys Oct 04 20:20:57 <_av500_> you are killing the company Oct 04 20:23:15 the deciders have made it so Oct 04 20:23:37 we, of course, you a completely different chip on the EVM Oct 04 20:23:49 s/you/use/ Oct 04 20:24:46 <_av500_> its rule for evm schematics: burn them Oct 04 20:24:52 <_av500_> 1st Oct 04 20:25:04 <_av500_> s/its/1st/ Oct 04 20:25:28 <_av500_> when we did omap4, our hw guys said to ti: keep the evm, give us panda schematics Oct 04 20:26:05 there is an omap4 evm?! Oct 04 20:27:46 the irony here will be nice when this is released Oct 04 20:57:57 <_av500_> this? Oct 04 20:58:10 <_av500_> ds2: there is blaze for example Oct 04 21:10:23 _av500_: save the pennies! Oct 04 21:10:32 <_av500_> yes Oct 04 21:10:42 those 1/10th pennies sure get lost in engineering time :) Oct 04 21:11:22 <_av500_> mranostay: nah, we'll make millions of em Oct 04 21:12:54 so at 0.1 a penny times 5 million Oct 04 21:13:08 wow $5k :P Oct 04 21:13:15 <_av500_> :) Oct 04 21:13:20 <_av500_> psst, dont tell MGT Oct 04 21:13:49 thought they had other names for that flaming board Oct 04 21:18:22 "this" == some piece of h/w carrying that part Oct 04 21:18:42 <_av500_> mdp: ah, that clers *it* up Oct 04 21:18:44 <_av500_> clears Oct 04 21:18:59 I'm struggling to be any more vague than that Oct 04 21:19:10 it depends on what the meaning of is is Oct 04 21:19:13 <_av500_> something somethinged something else Oct 04 21:19:18 <_av500_> maybe Oct 04 21:19:36 that's the whatchamathistherethatacallitthing Oct 04 21:19:53 glad to clear that up for you Oct 04 21:20:17 <_av500_> yes Oct 04 21:20:22 <_av500_> writign up my report as we speak Oct 04 21:20:28 probably joelagnel's tree has clues as to what this is if anybody really cares Oct 04 21:20:37 proper cover sheet? Oct 04 21:20:48 <_av500_> mdp: gimme your fax# Oct 04 21:21:03 any fax better include a beer Oct 04 21:21:09 <_av500_> or your TELEX Oct 04 21:21:15 lol Oct 04 21:21:31 you *are* old ;) Oct 04 21:21:44 bbl Oct 04 21:22:13 that is my line Oct 04 21:22:21 you need to pay royalies to us it Oct 04 21:28:52 _av500_: are there telex machines still around? Oct 04 21:29:25 <_av500_> mranostay: I guess some are Oct 04 21:29:38 <_av500_> airline industry still uses SITA and THEY WRITE IN ALL CAPS Oct 04 21:29:53 ALL CAPS IS ALL YOU NEED! Oct 04 21:29:57 <_av500_> at least 10ys ago when my wife worked there Oct 04 21:30:05 CAPITALISM FTW Oct 04 21:30:05 <_av500_> theydid it in email too of course Oct 04 21:30:13 <_av500_> YES Oct 04 21:30:46 <_av500_> http://www.swisstelex.com/ Oct 04 21:31:47 <_av500_> I guess these days its just an expensive ALL CAPS VPN Oct 04 21:32:23 is this used for banking? Oct 04 21:32:47 <_av500_> ask Mitt Oct 04 21:33:16 <_av500_> SEND GAZILLION OFFSHORE QUICKLY Oct 04 21:35:34 mranostay: no, for that you need VPB, virtual private banking Oct 04 21:36:20 * mranostay can't tell if mru is trolling or not Oct 04 21:43:49 <_av500_> mranostay: easy, always assume he is and work from there Oct 04 21:46:21 <_av500_> gn Oct 04 21:46:30 nite nite Oct 04 21:46:36 sleep tight Oct 04 21:47:31 btw, I'm flying a bit tomorrow, any suggestions for trolling airport staff? Oct 04 21:48:28 yeah esp do they security staff Oct 04 21:48:32 *the Oct 04 21:49:59 uhm, my ESP powers are a bit weak Oct 04 22:03:47 mru: think harder Oct 04 22:12:27 if he gets close enough for a mind meld he might get arrested. Oct 04 22:12:44 tell them you left your C4 at home Oct 04 22:12:51 lol Oct 04 22:13:19 but you've got some bones in your checked baggage Oct 04 22:13:20 bring a homemade geiger counter Oct 04 22:13:21 be ready to whoop out a picture of it after Oct 04 22:13:29 a closeup of the C4 label Oct 04 22:14:05 once when they asked if I had any sharp objects, I replied "only my wit" Oct 04 22:14:24 i don't joke with security Oct 04 22:14:32 this was in britain Oct 04 22:14:41 cops and fake cops don't have any humour here :) Oct 04 22:14:45 for starters, they don't carry guns Oct 04 22:14:53 so they can't shoot you on the spot Oct 04 22:15:35 billy club at least Oct 04 22:15:56 I probably wouldn't do that in the US Oct 04 22:16:53 come to think about it i did make a comment once when i got into a hit and run Oct 04 22:16:55 mranostay: along with your multimega currie sources to verify it? :D Oct 04 22:17:13 ds2: i can verify it with their scanner Oct 04 22:17:23 curry? it measures the strength of indian food? Oct 04 22:17:47 mranostay: so your luggage will be ticking? Oct 04 22:17:53 I once recorded video on my phone as it went through the scanner Oct 04 22:17:59 it will be off Oct 04 22:18:15 it will go off? Oct 04 22:18:22 take off? Oct 04 22:18:59 no it will be completely off Oct 04 22:19:13 i wonder if EU security will have me turn it on like my laptop Oct 04 22:19:24 they've never had me turn on anything Oct 04 22:19:33 eu, us, or asia Oct 04 22:19:42 mru: even laptop? Oct 04 22:19:47 never Oct 04 22:19:53 will the tube be encased seperately in a hard paper tube, with a cotton insulated cable coming out of one end? Oct 04 22:19:55 :D Oct 04 22:20:02 actually, I never turn it fully off Oct 04 22:20:12 mru: yeah suspend forever :) Oct 04 22:20:32 i don't think i've had my laptops ever powered completely off Oct 04 22:23:12 only when my mac demands a reboot.. Oct 04 23:24:40 I have an empty analog pin (nothing plugged in) and when I enable the pulldown resistor in omap_mux I still read stuff like 3978.6 from the pin, like, what is the deal? Oct 04 23:38:00 does anyone know why this error could come up "lsmod: /proc/modules: No such file or directory" Oct 04 23:38:11 when I type lsmod Oct 04 23:38:37 /proc not mounted? Oct 04 23:38:51 how does it get mounted? Oct 04 23:38:59 proc is a very weird directory Oct 04 23:39:08 proc is a pseudo-filesystem Oct 04 23:39:10 is empty and full at the same time Oct 04 23:39:11 nothing weird at all Oct 04 23:39:39 /proc/modules exists only if kernel has module support Oct 04 23:40:04 I'm switching filesystems and it works in one but not in the other Oct 04 23:40:44 do you have anything in /proc? Oct 04 23:40:48 like /proc/version Oct 04 23:41:04 in one filesytem yes, in the one the gives me error is empty Oct 04 23:41:12 so I was wondering why Oct 04 23:41:13 so it's not mounted Oct 04 23:41:19 correct!! Oct 04 23:41:31 so mount it Oct 04 23:41:37 how? :) Oct 04 23:41:44 whats the magic command? Oct 04 23:41:55