**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 15 03:00:02 2012 Oct 15 03:26:32 hi all! Oct 15 03:26:42 mranostay: greetings earthling Oct 15 03:26:51 mranostay: you are sooo not getting on an airplane Oct 15 03:28:26 yes yes Oct 15 03:28:47 not taking anything radioactive with me :) Oct 15 03:29:21 so i'm told EU smoke detectors are the crappy photoelectric ones Oct 15 03:30:26 ahh so no source for demo Oct 15 03:31:18 mranostay: so what are you going to use? Oct 15 03:31:22 becides nature? :) Oct 15 03:31:37 mranostay: I've seen many Am-241 smoke detectors in europe Oct 15 03:31:42 really? Oct 15 03:32:02 maybe my greek friend is wrong Oct 15 03:33:35 nature gives a nice 10-40 CPM anyway :) Oct 15 03:34:14 mranostay: http://imagebin.org/231942 Oct 15 03:34:40 emeb_mac: nice Oct 15 03:34:42 nice Oct 15 03:34:51 so professional Oct 15 03:35:10 mine is less so. but doesn't look entirely like a IED :) Oct 15 03:35:15 heh Oct 15 03:35:31 mranostay: forgive my lack of knowledge about the capabilities of your project, would it be able to detect radon? Oct 15 03:35:46 radan emits gamma right? Oct 15 03:36:11 prpplague: thx - hope to power it up soon. Then the real fun: getting the kernel tweaked to talk to it. Oct 15 03:36:15 er or is that alpha? Oct 15 03:36:17 * mranostay googles Oct 15 03:36:23 radon emits alpha for sure Oct 15 03:36:27 possibly gamma as well Oct 15 03:36:35 * mru pulls out isotope chart Oct 15 03:37:10 prpplague: i'm using a LND-712 tube so it detects alpha + gamma + beta Oct 15 03:37:13 looks like primarily alpha Oct 15 03:37:22 mranostay: ahh, that should cover it then Oct 15 03:37:34 my cosm feed has a SBT-9 tube which is the same Oct 15 03:37:43 just less accurate Oct 15 03:38:04 LND is a pain to order from Oct 15 03:39:29 mru: weird question is it legal for me to rip out a smoke detector 'core' in the EU? Oct 15 03:39:34 or Spain Oct 15 03:40:06 going to be weirdest bail out call to my friends :) Oct 15 03:41:00 mranostay: good question Oct 15 03:42:04 mranostay: assuming you legally acquired the smoke detector, I would assume so Oct 15 03:42:28 yes but that doesn't mean i can disassemble it legally :) Oct 15 03:42:51 what law would that be against? Oct 15 03:43:52 well for instance i can own firearms here but if i sand the reciever so certain parts can fit i can go to jail :) Oct 15 03:44:01 american exmaple :) Oct 15 03:44:21 firearms are regulated Oct 15 03:44:26 smoke detectors are not Oct 15 03:44:47 well, I guess there are rules for what you're allowed to sell to the general public Oct 15 03:45:15 well techically i can't have over an curie amount (american measurement i know) Oct 15 03:45:48 I've never had reason to look into legislation in that area Oct 15 03:47:07 this did happen a while back: http://www.thelocal.se/35306/20110802/ Oct 15 03:48:34 nuclear boy scout? :) Oct 15 03:50:24 it's a bit unclear... Oct 15 03:51:12 unclear physics. (as called by a guy I knew who worked on the Manhattan Proj) Oct 15 03:51:39 "american arrested in Barcelona hotel room assembling an atomic bomb" Oct 15 03:51:54 * mranostay sees the headlines now Oct 15 03:52:06 mranostay: your 15 minutes are coming up Oct 15 03:52:25 "he was such a quiet kid" Oct 15 03:52:44 btw, unclear, that's stuff to do with uncles, right? Oct 15 03:55:35 smoke detectors are regulated in airplanes here :( Oct 15 03:56:20 heh Oct 15 03:56:38 that's just so if they do detect something radioactive, they know it's definitely dodgy Oct 15 03:56:56 well am-241 is mostly alpha Oct 15 03:57:00 not because there's any danger from the smoke detector as such Oct 15 03:57:15 so you could just wrap it in paper :) Oct 15 04:02:33 mru: who would take an a-bomb on a carry on out of the US? :) Oct 15 04:02:50 more likely just to set it off here Oct 15 04:03:09 domestic flight Oct 15 04:04:35 if i was going to that i'd drive it Oct 15 04:04:46 is this being recorded? :P Oct 15 04:05:01 on my hard drive at least Oct 15 04:09:26 mru: *ahem* rm -rf / Oct 15 04:15:08 I know it was a joke, but for the record, this channel is logged and put on the web. Oct 15 04:15:19 Knowing that does inhibit me some :) Oct 15 04:17:28 not me :) Oct 15 04:18:03 well actually for me as well. other channels i'm sure i have said some CLM stuff :) Oct 15 04:18:55 alan_o: isn't it like 1A in FL? :) Oct 15 04:20:57 getting there. Oct 15 04:21:11 yeah, I'm going to pay for this tomorrow Oct 15 04:21:23 we can't all operate on no sleep like ds2 :) Oct 15 04:22:49 blah i've learned i'm no good without sleep Oct 15 04:23:03 and also the worst thing that can happen is getting fired :) Oct 15 04:23:49 I'm not much good without sleep either Oct 15 04:24:15 also after 50-60 hours my work is pointless Oct 15 04:24:44 law of diminishing returns Oct 15 04:25:03 I'm getting asked in an email for the "full procedure" for building my OSS tool PlayCap... I wonder if that's the same as Exact Steps. Oct 15 04:25:17 hehe Oct 15 04:25:53 alan_o: contractor? Oct 15 04:26:04 me? Oct 15 04:26:15 I am. I don't know who this person is. Oct 15 04:26:28 heh Oct 15 04:27:05 oh... I didn't read it all the way, it's even better. She wants a VIDEO! Oct 15 04:27:15 heh Oct 15 04:27:49 hehe Oct 15 04:28:03 alan_o: lucky you Oct 15 04:29:25 * mranostay remembers why he hasn't done the contractor route :) Oct 15 04:29:41 This isn't even contractor... This is OSS.... Oct 15 04:29:54 http://www.signal11.us/oss/playcap/ Oct 15 04:31:10 I made 2 releases in 2009, people seem to make do. I get almost no email from it, and the email I do get, recently has been from government people trying to certify it for use in secret labs. (not Grant's lab, other secret labs). Oct 15 04:31:24 They send me these emails with questions about cage codes and stuff Oct 15 04:31:53 alan_o: Can I HAZ exact steps? Oct 15 04:36:03 alan_o: oh, this actually looks quite cool. Oct 15 04:36:10 it is :) Oct 15 04:36:36 It's exactly what I needed, by design :-D Oct 15 04:36:48 can haz exact steps to build it? ;-þ Oct 15 04:37:38 That's the thing, the README is quite complete: https://github.com/signal11/PlayCap/blob/master/README.txt Oct 15 04:38:40 I'm one of those guys who would rather write documentation than answer questions. I've found I don't mind it. Oct 15 04:39:07 * mranostay tests his TSA demo time Oct 15 04:39:21 are you really in an airport? Oct 15 04:39:32 mranostay: tsa demo mode? count-down timer? Oct 15 04:39:33 seems like i can show my counter working in 60 seconds Oct 15 04:39:55 ah... Oct 15 04:40:08 alan_o: no. just want to be sure my setup works. kinda like the EU asking me to turn on my laptop everytime Oct 15 04:40:56 according to mru that never happens to him Oct 15 04:40:57 "It's our policy to require engineers to turn on their geiger counters. You're going to need to calm down, sir." Oct 15 04:41:09 I've never had to power up a laptop Oct 15 04:41:17 really? Oct 15 04:41:20 domestic or foreign. Oct 15 04:41:20 yeah Oct 15 04:41:27 i must look damn shady Oct 15 04:41:33 I've had it swabbed for bomb residue Oct 15 04:41:38 yes that too Oct 15 04:41:44 * mranostay blames the tattoos Oct 15 04:42:16 I got penalty boxed one time. They looked at _everything_ in my carry-on. This woman looked at every single page of my notebook. Oct 15 04:42:47 That was while another one distracted me with chit-chat Oct 15 04:43:04 alan_o: long hair :) Oct 15 04:43:31 hehe.. could be. That only happend once. Oct 15 04:44:07 * dm8tbr only had the 'please turn on' once or twice Oct 15 04:44:28 if i ever fly to Japa I'm wearing long sleeves the entire time Oct 15 04:44:33 *Japan Oct 15 04:44:39 but when I travelled with that android car demonstrator it was OUCH Oct 15 04:45:18 mranostay: I guess it's intentional that your linkedin pic has long sleeves then.... I thought you were joking the first time about the tattoos :) Oct 15 04:46:15 I got stopped 6 times at heathrow. most 'randomly' and 'routine'. Sure had NOTHING to do with the fact that it was in a huge orange pelican box... it's as if it had B.O.M.B. written all over it. :( Oct 15 04:46:22 alan_o: no i was on SF bay in that. so cold :) Oct 15 04:46:34 but i do have tattoos on both upper atms Oct 15 04:46:36 *arms Oct 15 04:47:29 dm8tbr: but you are white :P Oct 15 04:48:07 yeah, they would have preventively shot me probably if I'd had a beard and dark hair and darker skin... Oct 15 04:48:17 My best airport security moment was in Amsterdam when I told them I wanted to opt-out of the body scanner. The angry Eastern-European woman screening me said, "you don't want to do the scanner? What do you have, a big d*** or something?" Oct 15 04:48:36 ouch... Oct 15 04:48:46 alan_o: the correct answer is 'yes i do Oct 15 04:49:01 'Yes I do and it's none of your business' Oct 15 04:50:37 My friend went through that scanner giving a bird with each hand. The guy on the other side just said, "I saw the fingers..." Oct 15 04:50:52 It's a wonder we made it back at all, I guess. Oct 15 04:51:46 I wasn't in the mood for arguments with TSA so I went through the thing at SFO. They were very kind and professional though. Oct 15 04:52:28 my last few slides are label "If we are here the TSA destroyed my demo with a water-cannon…" :) Oct 15 04:52:34 *labeled Oct 15 04:52:42 hah Oct 15 04:52:45 man, you have slides Oct 15 04:52:50 I have _nothing_ Oct 15 04:52:55 working on them Oct 15 04:52:57 and I'm freaking out. Oct 15 04:53:12 this is my first talk at a conference Oct 15 04:53:16 I had a pretty elaborate demo planned. Oct 15 04:53:17 me too Oct 15 04:53:25 alan_o: why? you can freak out if you don't have slides the morning of your presentation... Oct 15 04:53:42 They want them in about 5 days early. Oct 15 04:53:50 31st Oct 15 04:53:52 ah, that... Oct 15 04:54:43 well, you deliver something that's not utter bollocks by that date. the real slides get created while horribly inebriated, the night before your presentation. Oct 15 04:54:46 It's really the demo I'm freaking out about. I want to have Linux talking to Contiki over 802.15.4. Should be easy enough. It's my first use of contiki though. I can't talk to the demos yet... :( Oct 15 04:54:53 yeah Oct 15 04:54:57 there's always that Oct 15 04:55:02 my demo is complete Oct 15 04:55:09 unless the TSA has a problem :) Oct 15 04:55:49 I presented at Microchip MASTERS this year. and we had dry runs 3 months before the conference. Slides in 6 weeks or so before that. Oct 15 04:56:30 In fact, I expect to be getting an email any day now about planning for next year's conf (August). Oct 15 04:56:48 alan_o: wifi demo iirc? Oct 15 04:57:16 It's not WiFi, it's 802.15.4 with 6LoWPAN over the top of it for IPv6 Oct 15 04:57:20 the slot after mine iirc Oct 15 04:57:33 oooh, shiny Oct 15 04:57:40 oh, cool. I haven't even looked at the schedule. Wasn't posted when I looked last Oct 15 04:57:42 * dm8tbr takes a note to go to alan_o's presentation Oct 15 04:57:50 btw i am so glad i get the first slot after the keynotes on the first day :) Oct 15 04:57:59 no time to stress otu :) Oct 15 04:58:02 *out Oct 15 04:58:23 dm8tbr: w00t, that makes at least one then :) Oct 15 04:58:34 maybe I'll twist mranostay's arm to stay Oct 15 05:02:51 alan_o: my main thing with my talk to make it long than 20 minutes :) Oct 15 05:03:08 hah, yeah... I have the opposite problem. Oct 15 05:03:35 I'm a talker. Oct 15 05:04:37 I should clarify a previous statement. this is my first LF-conference presentation. Like I said, I did the other one this year. Oct 15 05:05:22 One thing that helped me for that one was practice. I had done the whole thing 5 times before showtime. Sometimes I wonder whether so much effort goes into slides, that rehearsal is cut. Oct 15 05:09:38 * dm8tbr usually just counts 1.5-2min per slide and tries to stay within range for the slot Oct 15 05:09:52 doing a dry run or two with a timer Oct 15 05:11:06 I don't know what my per-slide time was Oct 15 05:11:39 Did 45 minutes on HIDAPI, I think ~30 slides, so I guess that's about right. Oct 15 05:12:05 yeah, it's a surprisingly stable estimate Oct 15 05:21:29 hmm.. apparently Contiki and Linux disagree on how to calculate a checksum for ICMP... *sigh* Oct 15 05:21:41 well, icmp over lowpan Oct 15 05:21:53 not a simple CRC? Oct 15 05:22:31 I'm sure it probably is, but all I know is: ICMPv6 checksum failed [fe80:0000:0000:0000:0001:ff00:0002:8700 > ff02:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001:ff00:0002 Oct 15 05:22:44 It's probably unpacking incorrectly. Oct 15 05:23:21 Wireshark says it's correct, so that's 2 out of 3 on the same page. Oct 15 05:23:50 Wireshark's 6lowpan implementation seems pretty solid. The code is very good looking. Oct 15 05:37:01 zzzz..... Oct 15 06:05:06 any one know how to boot the linux in beaglebone. i'm new to this. kindly help me. Oct 15 06:11:09 http://www.google.com/search?q=beaglebone+tutorial Oct 15 09:43:37 Hi all, i am trying to compile am335xevm kernel u-boot MLO files throught buildroot Toolchin which will support for EVM and would be possible, can i do this... Oct 15 09:45:46 Ans pls... Oct 15 10:04:04 Hi i am trying to cross compile a kernel using buildroot Toolchin for am335x evm board,Will it support for this and i am trying this compilation to add my qt application. Oct 15 10:22:04 Ans pls..... Oct 15 10:29:13 ieehks javafx on rpi Oct 15 10:30:35 eeek rpi Oct 15 10:31:19 that too Oct 15 10:31:28 gm mru Oct 15 10:33:02 Hi i am trying to cross compile a kernel using buildroot Toolchin for am335x evm board,Will it support for this and i am trying this compilation to add my qt application. Oct 15 10:33:57 why you dont use openembedded? Oct 15 10:35:25 hm http://jdk7.java.net/fxarmpreview/javafx-arm-developer-preview.html Oct 15 10:35:54 haha This developer preview was tested on an Ångström 2011.03 distribution Oct 15 10:37:15 ugh they run on framebuffer not x11 Oct 15 10:37:19 thats something Oct 15 11:01:38 * mdp discovers that javafx really truly truly is write once run everywhere Oct 15 11:03:30 mdp *g* Oct 15 11:03:40 mdp it looks better than swing Oct 15 11:04:22 this is not difficult Oct 15 11:22:21 oh no, another one... http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/15/amazon-in-talks-to-buy-texas-instruments-smartphone-tablet-omap-processor-activity-report/ Oct 15 11:24:12 can someone please tell me how the notion of combining a few blocks of silicon, your own and 3rd party, under a brand name is something that can be sold for 'billions'? Oct 15 11:24:35 when the blocks are either not yours to begin with or you intend to keep them for use in other chip permutations Oct 15 11:27:58 "The news [...] hasn’t been confirmed by either company" Oct 15 11:52:31 I wonder if amazon employees get a discount on amazon stores? if so, it'd be great news! Oct 15 11:53:17 but seriously, what exactly would they be selling? Oct 15 11:53:58 the parts they own are used in many other chips Oct 15 11:54:21 I suppose they could sell the OMAP trademark Oct 15 11:55:02 I don't know anything about this kind of deals, but I'd imagine employees would be the biggest thing sold. Oct 15 11:55:42 ok, the employees working exclusively on those particular chips then Oct 15 11:55:52 * mru doesn't know how TI structures those things Oct 15 11:56:38 but surely there are teams working on, say, the DSP cores independently of any specific chip they are used in Oct 15 11:58:30 I guess so. I have no idea how that kind of deal would work in practice. Even omap DSS is used on other SoCs. Oct 15 11:58:37 btw, wtf is wrong with people wrt unaligned accesses? Oct 15 11:58:57 * XorA steps half a bit sideways and walks through a door, OUCH Oct 15 11:59:25 first they allow gcc to generate them, then jump through all kinds of hoops to twiddle the on in ways so it doesn't Oct 15 11:59:40 why not just _turn the damn feature off_ if they don't want it? Oct 15 12:00:07 linux world has always been weird about this, I have done large projects on 68K varients where you just couldnt unaligned access, there was no A0 address pin at all Oct 15 12:01:06 mru, we do have separate orgs that do the AM/DM parts that share most of the same IP as branded OMAP parts. definitely an interesting sales concept. Oct 15 12:01:46 * mru attempts to parse that Oct 15 12:02:02 so... are engineers shared across chip brands or not? Oct 15 12:02:25 not that I know of Oct 15 12:02:48 surely if you include things like the compiler teams... Oct 15 12:02:52 we have our own design team for AM Oct 15 12:03:29 on the sw side our only interaction with the OMAP folks is in the community Oct 15 12:03:43 from a linux perspective, that is Oct 15 12:05:39 don't all chips using, say, DSS use the same linux driver? Oct 15 12:08:04 that's an example of an ip block that's shared Oct 15 12:08:23 and the whole ducati thing Oct 15 12:08:38 yes, that's what I'm saying Oct 15 12:08:45 a lot of blocks are shared Oct 15 12:08:50 yep Oct 15 12:10:20 you either need to sell all lines using that or nothing precludes them from leaving the rights in place Oct 15 12:10:57 they could license the blocks of course Oct 15 12:11:02 right Oct 15 12:11:06 the ones TI owns Oct 15 12:11:13 which is probably less than half the chip Oct 15 12:11:22 yep Oct 15 12:11:27 not counting arm or gpu Oct 15 12:11:56 and the general omap power/clock architecture....I.e. the integration Oct 15 12:12:03 who owns the 'davinci' emac? Oct 15 12:12:33 how would you sell the power architecture? Oct 15 12:12:47 not sure...ownership isn't always clear as with something like musb Oct 15 12:12:48 or is the idea of separate power domains patented by TI? Oct 15 12:13:01 iirc emif is 3rd-party... Oct 15 12:13:16 interconnect definitely is Oct 15 12:13:44 I think the idea there is you are selling the designed and tested rtl for that imtegration of ip Oct 15 12:14:26 how does that help you when you want a new chip? Oct 15 12:14:33 which some people may value for allowing them to be sw compatible Oct 15 12:14:44 I think they would buy the people too Oct 15 12:15:02 sure, but my question is how many people are exclusively omap? Oct 15 12:15:23 compared to the number of people working on everything that goes into an omap in total Oct 15 12:15:23 "a lot" Oct 15 12:17:40 if I had numbers I wouldn't be able to share them Oct 15 12:18:02 obviously Oct 15 12:18:02 mru, a lot of companies make unwise acquisitions though...so nothing surprises me Oct 15 12:18:27 a lot of bloggers make wild speculations based on no facts whatsoever Oct 15 12:18:45 "TI selling omap" has been a popular one for a while Oct 15 12:19:05 a couple of years ago "apple to buy arm" was in vogue Oct 15 12:19:08 obviously too, with all the PR about TI exiting OMAP, and, as you point out, all the sale rumors that have gone on before that...rumors inside are just rampant Oct 15 12:19:44 let me guess, management is silent? Oct 15 12:19:47 one thing that's always been clear to me....at the end of the day, we are an analog company first Oct 15 12:20:11 * mru thought TI was a calculator company :) Oct 15 12:20:11 I would suspect management at my level would not know. Oct 15 12:20:26 I mean management at whatever level does know Oct 15 12:20:42 mru, lol...in my geographic area...everybody associates me with the calculator people ;) Oct 15 12:21:22 it's pretty much the only consumer product that's TI-branded Oct 15 12:21:24 mru, sure Oct 15 12:22:07 yep, the other is if you are an educator and use their Smartboard(tm)-like whole classroom linked systems..then you probably know TI that way Oct 15 12:22:25 never seen those Oct 15 12:22:25 TI is forever Speak and Spell to me Oct 15 12:22:41 yeah, and that Oct 15 12:23:43 when I was a kid I had a TI book with all the 74xx data sheets Oct 15 12:23:55 all the TI edu stuff..calculators, etc. have s/w to interface with the popular smartboard technologies Oct 15 12:24:10 is that something new? Oct 15 12:24:22 new as in last 10 years Oct 15 12:24:26 yes Oct 15 12:25:00 I can't speak for the rest of .us...but in our area...all our better school districts have smartboards in every classroom...an integral part of the day Oct 15 12:25:01 I only remember the 2.5mm serial port Oct 15 12:25:23 and the _insanely_ priced cable they'd sell you Oct 15 12:25:26 yeah, there's stuff with wifi links so you can share a kids' work on the big screen and so forth Oct 15 12:25:31 * mru built his own instead Oct 15 12:25:34 mru, hp48* was like that too Oct 15 12:25:46 never owned one of those Oct 15 12:26:01 at my first co-op job..the nice cable building ladies sampled me 50 hp48sx serial cable connectors... Oct 15 12:26:23 I went to work creating serial cables and then sold them to all the EE students when I returns to school the next semester Oct 15 12:26:33 any electronics shop carries standard 2.5mm stereo jacks/plugs Oct 15 12:26:36 that connector was impossible to buy solo back then Oct 15 12:26:44 yeah, the 48sx one was "special" Oct 15 12:27:13 and you could always cut the included calc-to-calc cable Oct 15 12:27:27 and it was important to hang your calculator off your linux box as a terminal for some reason Oct 15 12:27:30 hack value? Oct 15 12:27:45 I never did that Oct 15 12:27:58 those were simple times Oct 15 12:28:11 I did make good use of the on-calc hex editor though Oct 15 12:28:13 linux 386dx/33 era...16MB RAM was a lot Oct 15 12:28:25 got reasonably good at z80 machine code Oct 15 12:29:18 that's cool, I never worked on z80 stuff Oct 15 12:29:27 good for you Oct 15 12:29:33 hacked on the hp saturn proc cause we all had those calcs Oct 15 12:29:39 but that was worthless Oct 15 12:29:57 I still remember that C9 is the ret instruction and that it renders as a greek phi on the calc display Oct 15 12:30:04 hehe Oct 15 13:40:57 "Amazon looking to acquire TIs mobile chip business", did I read that right? Oct 15 13:41:38 yes Oct 15 13:41:48 the rumour-mongers have been busy Oct 15 13:41:55 no doubt Oct 15 13:42:33 I suspect most people spreading those rumours have no idea what the omap architecture actually looks like Oct 15 13:42:41 and how entwined it is with other chips Oct 15 13:43:15 if it's true I want a free trade-up to a paperwhite reader Oct 15 13:44:33 but yellow paper is easier on the eyes! Oct 15 13:45:30 I have statistics that show... Oct 15 14:28:21 * SilicaGel Do Not Eat Oct 15 14:29:04 what happens if you do? Oct 15 14:31:38 um Oct 15 14:31:58 *kaboom* Oct 15 14:31:59 you become dessicant? Oct 15 14:32:07 "the results are boundedly undefined" Oct 15 14:32:35 Ever see an actual shrunken human head? It's disgusting Oct 15 14:32:36 you might become _dessicated_ Oct 15 14:33:02 or desiccated rather Oct 15 14:33:14 damn, you tricked me with your misspelling Oct 15 14:33:20 hehehe Oct 15 14:33:30 that was a trap..nice one! Oct 15 14:33:36 It might have been my keyboard Oct 15 14:33:49 for some reason, whenever I have netbeans and chrome running at the same time, it eats letters Oct 15 14:33:55 maybe you ate some of it and it causes mispeltings Oct 15 14:34:00 I can't tell you how many 'pubic' classes I have accidentally written in java Oct 15 14:34:27 those are freudian slips Oct 15 14:34:56 hrm, I figured that was a JavaFX feature Oct 15 14:35:38 pubic classes? Oct 15 14:38:30 did I mention recently that I hate the TiWi-R2 Oct 15 15:23:56 hi gentlemen and troll Oct 15 15:24:18 * mranostay eyes mru Oct 15 15:24:23 hm. does that imply troll != gentlemen? Oct 15 15:24:34 there are trolls here? Oct 15 15:24:37 or that there only one troll? and any gender implications? ;) Oct 15 15:24:56 <_troll_> hi mranostay Oct 15 15:25:12 i think troll is gender neutral Oct 15 15:25:23 swiss troll even Oct 15 15:25:30 * LetoThe2nd thought the same. Oct 15 15:25:41 doe being swiss make a troll totally neutral? Oct 15 15:25:50 swiss roll?!? Oct 15 15:25:54 * mdp read wrong Oct 15 15:28:49 mranostay, that may be a jelly-filled troll Oct 15 15:29:11 * LetoThe2nd invents "Trollblerone" Oct 15 15:29:19 (patent pending) Oct 15 15:30:00 LetoThe2nd: keep the day job :P Oct 15 15:30:21 mranostay: meh. boring. Oct 15 15:30:51 boring pays my rent :) Oct 15 15:31:03 hrhrhr Oct 15 15:31:10 has the split between meta-ti and meta-beagleboard happened or is that still to come? Oct 15 15:31:32 (back to *serious* business) :) Oct 15 15:31:46 "Trollblerone - so much sugar in one bite that it even tglues troll mouths shut." Oct 15 15:32:03 yum Oct 15 15:32:29 i smell world dominance here! Oct 15 15:32:29 LetoThe2nd: well you don't need that to type Oct 15 15:32:54 mranostay: are you talking at ELCE or am I? ;) Oct 15 15:33:13 http://beagleboard.org/getting-started/ was edited by blog.hangerhead.com Oct 15 15:36:50 can anyone think of a reason that the Ti graphics sdk won't install? it doesn't give an error message or anything Oct 15 15:38:50 I've run a different download of it successfully on an older version of ubuntu Oct 15 15:46:40 well my file system was file a couple of days ago now i keep getting : hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory and the boot is stuck Oct 15 15:46:45 any idea what has caused this? Oct 15 15:51:12 that may be a message you're receiving but probably is not the root cause, pastebin your bootlog Oct 15 15:53:06 sec Oct 15 15:54:31 mranostay: http://hackaday.com/2012/10/15/cheap-spark-detector-for-alpha-particles/ Oct 15 15:55:11 thurbad: im using gtkterm as a serial console is there a way to get the log from it :/ ? Oct 15 15:55:16 prpplague: hrm, no RPi in that post, uninteresting Oct 15 15:55:56 dunno, I usually use minicom on linux/mac and realterm on pc Oct 15 15:56:07 mdp: hehe Oct 15 15:57:35 thurbad: would the log be avaiable on the board? Oct 15 15:58:03 once you get it to boot, it's available through dmesg Oct 15 15:58:25 ah okay since im not geting it to boot Oct 15 15:58:27 there is no point Oct 15 15:58:34 correct Oct 15 15:58:58 let me see if there is a way to pipe gtk to a file Oct 15 15:58:59 or soemthing Oct 15 15:59:48 prpplague: wouldn't that get the FCC annoyed? :) Oct 15 16:04:56 thurbad: http://pastebin.com/Dva1fNcr does it help? Oct 15 16:08:00 this is occuring with the default sd card that ships with beagle xm Oct 15 16:27:27 So, hey, http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-October/137318.html Oct 15 16:27:30 upgrade time ;) Oct 15 16:36:32 by default on beagleboard xm http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ which rootfs is in the default sd card from the list? Oct 15 16:38:58 mru: blocked already? and it is barely Monday Oct 15 16:39:35 that is a fun thread :) Oct 15 16:40:38 get a room Oct 15 16:41:44 ah ok Oct 15 18:39:23 hey. im new to the beagleboard and have just managed to compile a simple c program. The problem is whenever i give my beagleboard C4 something to do... and if it is like CPU demanding, my screen goes crazy.. keeps turning off n on. This also happens if i touch the usb hub or if i scroll too fast in a file browser. What could be the cause? and can it be fixed? is my screen too large? Oct 15 18:39:46 oh i meant to say simple openCV program Oct 15 18:44:07 anyone else experienced this? am i doing something retarded? Oct 15 18:45:07 I never use the screen, but perhaps you are over-writing some memory? Oct 15 18:45:55 dm8tbr, http://www.yoctoproject.org/devday-elce2012 Oct 15 18:48:34 looks like its cat facts time from t-mobile, unsolicited feed back wanted, Q1/5 is on its way Oct 15 18:50:03 maybe. i don't know much about these things. What i want to do later is just make it turn on a light if it detects a certain colour. something simple. guess i wont need the screen then. This sample code i used was outputting the image to the screen. Every time i ran it the screen went crazy which was annoying. Oct 15 18:51:39 'screen'? Oct 15 18:51:53 monitor Oct 15 18:52:12 what resolution is the screen? Oct 15 18:53:47 its like a 22 inch led monitor :O. i don't have any other monitor that uses an HDMI cable Oct 15 18:53:59 im running it at a low resolution Oct 15 18:54:20 cant remember. whatever the default is on beagle i guess Oct 15 18:58:08 its a 1600 X 900 screen. but running at 640 X 480 Oct 15 19:00:20 the beagle doesn't know anything about how large your display is physically Oct 15 19:00:42 a 22" monitor is the same as a 22' one if they are both driven as a 640x480 display Oct 15 19:02:33 forget feet, I want a 22 _mile_ monitor Oct 15 19:04:03 brightness might be an issue there Oct 15 19:04:05 ;) Oct 15 19:04:45 bah, you're just not ready to think big Oct 15 19:05:24 how would you address light being sent away from the viewing angle issue? Oct 15 19:06:10