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Nov 07 06:30:07 <mranostay> it isn't morning till _av500_ posts
Nov 07 07:44:28 <mranostay> everyone must be hungover
Nov 07 07:50:34 <mdp> bah. you are sooo early
Nov 07 07:53:39 <cuongle> hello everyone, I followed this link to build opencv 2.4.2 for BB-xM: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_OpenCV_for_ARM_Cortex-A8
Nov 07 07:54:06 <mdp> mranostay, prpplague has way too many good pru bitbanging ideas
Nov 07 07:54:21 <cuongle> and I cross-compiled an simple code to run in the BB
Nov 07 07:54:32 <cuongle> after that, I get this error:
Nov 07 07:54:49 <cuongle> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Nov 07 07:56:02 <cuongle> how can I fix it?
Nov 07 07:56:09 <cuongle> thank you so much
Nov 07 07:56:19 <Crofton> this premium wifi is so much better
Nov 07 08:12:41 <mranostay> mdp: the chapstick here is really really european :)
Nov 07 08:14:47 <mranostay> panto: where arez youz?
Nov 07 08:15:02 <panto> good morning fellow trolls
Nov 07 08:15:04 <mranostay> i can't spot the bald head in
Nov 07 08:15:20 <panto> too many hairily challenged persons around
Nov 07 08:15:24 <panto> I'm near the front
Nov 07 08:15:39 <panto> have spare seats to the left and to the right
Nov 07 08:19:38 <mdp> panto, can you save me a seat?
Nov 07 08:19:50 <mdp> on my way
Nov 07 08:19:58 <mranostay> i can't find a seat up front
Nov 07 08:20:04 <mranostay> i'm way in the back
Nov 07 08:21:11 <panto> got two seats next to me
Nov 07 08:21:15 <panto> I'm keeping one
Nov 07 08:22:01 <panto> if you come here fast enough you'll get the other too
Nov 07 08:22:10 <panto> the guy next to me just has his bag on it
Nov 07 08:22:43 <panto> mranostay, have you seen me?
Nov 07 08:22:47 <panto> looking at the back right now
Nov 07 08:22:58 <panto> follow mdp
Nov 07 08:23:48 <mranostay> ah nm
Nov 07 08:24:16 <panto> the guy just doodles on his phone that's on the chair
Nov 07 08:24:19 <mranostay> btw is the sched site down for maintenance always
Nov 07 08:28:38 <mranostay> Crofton: sarcasm?
Nov 07 08:36:08 <mranostay> av500: exact steps
Nov 07 08:39:02 <mranostay> ah i know that pcb service
Nov 07 08:43:52 <mdp> mranostay: I use http://www.oshpark.com/
Nov 07 09:42:43 <mdp> av500 trolled Linus....live!
Nov 07 09:43:21 <mru> pics or it didn't happen
Nov 07 09:45:29 <mranostay> heh
Nov 07 09:49:13 <mranostay> help i'm surrounded by trolls
Nov 07 09:50:26 <LetoThe2nd> ah, the "nvidia" was av500?
Nov 07 09:52:14 <KotH> mru: i sat near him, i've seen it!
Nov 07 09:52:54 <mranostay> heh
Nov 07 09:52:55 <mru> then I'll have to slice up your brain and extract the images
Nov 07 09:53:12 <LetoThe2nd> mru: just use the essence of life.
Nov 07 09:53:13 <mranostay> seems a bit much
Nov 07 09:53:40 <mru> my friends the white mice say it's perfectly reasonable
Nov 07 09:53:56 <mru> he could get a replacement brain
Nov 07 09:54:26 <mru> it would only need to mumble "where's the chocolate?" once in a while
Nov 07 09:55:14 <mranostay> i distract him while you pop out the brain
Nov 07 09:56:29 <mdp> real serial killer material here
Nov 07 09:57:16 <mranostay> someone is aiming to be victim #2 :P
Nov 07 09:57:54 <mranostay> mdp: you in this video talk?
Nov 07 09:59:07 <mdp> mranostay, fbdev forever!
Nov 07 09:59:36 <_av500_> yo!
Nov 07 10:01:02 <mdp> android is a cheap substitute for real linux
Nov 07 10:01:54 <keesj> Linux does carry a LOT of legacy
Nov 07 10:01:55 <_av500_> mdp: writing that on your openmoko phone?
Nov 07 10:02:04 <_av500_> keesj: there is always minix
Nov 07 10:02:23 <keesj> :P
Nov 07 10:02:28 <mranostay> hipster OSs'?
Nov 07 10:02:34 <_av500_> yeah
Nov 07 10:02:49 <panto> amiga os! the original os that vim was developed for
Nov 07 10:02:53 <mdp> _av500_: i have a vim plugin on it that can dial a call while i'm coding
Nov 07 10:02:56 <mranostay> do i have to wear a pork-pie hat to run that?
Nov 07 10:03:18 <_av500_> mdp: lie, openmoko could not call
Nov 07 10:03:33 <mdp> you got me there
Nov 07 10:03:35 <_av500_> it was all buz
Nov 07 10:03:38 <_av500_> +z
Nov 07 10:03:38 * mdp sulks
Nov 07 10:04:05 <mdp> you and your facts...
Nov 07 10:04:13 <mru> facts are overrated
Nov 07 10:04:16 <mranostay> heh where did that meme come from?
Nov 07 10:04:30 <keesj> The "linux" term has become a term for describing the GNU/POSIX/X11 stuff it's weird
Nov 07 10:04:31 <_av500_> exact facts?
Nov 07 10:04:45 <_av500_> send me the factz please
Nov 07 10:05:05 <mru> fake, the real ones say "plz"
Nov 07 10:05:26 <mranostay> r u sure plz?
Nov 07 10:05:28 <keesj> but it might be  interresting to have a non GNU kernel running Android
Nov 07 10:05:37 <_av500_> no, pls for steps, !!! for codez
Nov 07 10:05:45 <mru> keesj: nobody runs gnu kernels
Nov 07 10:05:58 <panto> mranostay, in which session are you?
Nov 07 10:06:01 <_av500_> anobody taking notes for this session?
Nov 07 10:06:07 <_av500_> panto: v4l2
Nov 07 10:06:14 <mdp> duh
Nov 07 10:06:15 <keesj> Linux is GNU GPL code
Nov 07 10:06:16 <mranostay> yeah you are behind me
Nov 07 10:06:33 <mru> keesj: linux is not a gnu project
Nov 07 10:06:36 <mdp> mranostay, i just gave him the "duh" look
Nov 07 10:06:53 <mdp> linux is gnuseless
Nov 07 10:06:53 <keesj> mru: you a right. I is still GPL
Nov 07 10:07:08 <mru> so?
Nov 07 10:07:22 <mranostay> canz i haz exact license, pls
Nov 07 10:08:04 <keesj> so it limits what users are allowed to do with it.
Nov 07 10:08:13 <mru> no
Nov 07 10:09:25 <keesj> are you trolling me?
Nov 07 10:09:40 <mru> never
Nov 07 10:09:52 <mru> the gpl does not restrict use
Nov 07 10:10:16 <mranostay> mru: well minus the v3
Nov 07 10:10:24 <mru> linux is gplv2
Nov 07 10:10:33 <mranostay> mru: yes yes
Nov 07 10:10:37 <keesj> if favors freedom of code over freedom of the users of that code
Nov 07 10:11:06 <mru> the gpl does not limit what you can run on the linux kernel
Nov 07 10:12:10 <keesj> unless it's a binary blob interacting with the kernel and as long as you follow the GPL rules your a fine
Nov 07 10:12:26 <mru> binary blobs are just fine
Nov 07 10:12:57 <mru> they can be annoying, but that's another matter
Nov 07 10:13:01 <keesj> as long as they don't use "export_gpl" functions of the kernel
Nov 07 10:13:01 <mranostay> they attack sometimes i'm told
Nov 07 10:13:19 <keesj> is restricts the people using Linux as kernel
Nov 07 10:13:34 <mru> there are no restrictions on userspace
Nov 07 10:15:01 <mdp> these charts need more cowb^H^H^H^Hanimations
Nov 07 10:15:06 <keesj> that's right but not the point. ME as developer can not just do anything with the Linux kernel I am restricted in what I can do with it
Nov 07 10:15:48 <jacekowski> yes you can do anything
Nov 07 10:16:02 <LetoThe2nd> wrong. you can do whatever you want, you just are obliged to grant others the same right.
Nov 07 10:16:14 <keesj> I can not make a product using Linux without releasing the code. I can not write and release binary only kernel modules that use these export gpl only symbols
Nov 07 10:16:33 <panto> keesj, don't do that then
Nov 07 10:16:35 <LetoThe2nd> keesj: you can do that, you have to grant others the same rights afterwars.
Nov 07 10:16:45 <jacekowski> keesj: you can do stuff in userland
Nov 07 10:16:46 <LetoThe2nd> for what you do inside your basement, nobody cares.
Nov 07 10:16:55 <LetoThe2nd> e.g. you can do anything.
Nov 07 10:16:58 <panto> I can pretty much guarantee that your 'secret' sauce is not that much interesting to anyone other than yourself
Nov 07 10:17:08 <keesj> LetoThe2nd: indeed it does affect MY freedom
Nov 07 10:17:11 <mdp> LetoThe2nd: that's true on so many levels.
Nov 07 10:17:12 <jacekowski> besides, it can always be reverse engineered
Nov 07 10:18:00 * LetoThe2nd is out again, license trolling people who either do not understand opensource or are stuck in an "i want to use everything but give nothing back"-mindset is just futile.
Nov 07 10:18:17 <LetoThe2nd> whoever feels adressed is adressed.
Nov 07 10:18:42 <LetoThe2nd> mdp: indeed.
Nov 07 10:19:29 <keesj> I am closer to the "take and not give back" but again that's not the point. it favors freedom of code over freedom of the users of that code and I think that's bad.
Nov 07 10:19:45 <LetoThe2nd> *plomk*
Nov 07 10:20:14 <keesj> Nobody cares about bad code and people should give back because they want so or becasue they want to reduces maintenance.
Nov 07 10:20:58 <mdp> ignorance
Nov 07 10:21:24 <LetoThe2nd> mdp: ... is bliss.
Nov 07 11:03:35 * mranostay hides from panto 
Nov 07 11:07:26 * panto kicks mr
Nov 07 11:07:29 * panto kicks mranostay 
Nov 07 11:07:41 <panto> damn, 167 people at #beagle?
Nov 07 11:09:11 <mranostay> 20 active at most
Nov 07 11:13:47 <_av500_> 21 now
Nov 07 11:14:10 * dm8tbr yawns
Nov 07 11:29:05 <mdp> panto, the numbers are indicative of the consumer culture
Nov 07 11:29:51 <panto> pinctrl-consumer ?
Nov 07 11:39:43 <mdp> panto, pinhead consumers
Nov 07 11:40:23 <CareBear\> hi all
Nov 07 11:40:54 <mdp> hi CareBear\ , welcome to Thunderdome
Nov 07 11:41:38 <CareBear\> thanks!
Nov 07 11:41:54 <CareBear\> who'll be fighting the new guy?
Nov 07 13:20:36 <mdp> CareBear\: you have to handle the next OE build question
Nov 07 13:29:43 <CareBear\> yay!
Nov 07 13:43:30 <KotH> CareBear\: and remember, exact steps are required
Nov 07 14:01:48 <LetoThe2nd> and downloadable codez
Nov 07 14:27:08 <help-seeker> Hello
Nov 07 14:28:39 <help-seeker> I have a beagleboard xM and I have Angstrom 2012.05 on it. I am not able to find resolv.conf in /etc due to which I am not able to configure internet. What can be done?
Nov 07 14:30:41 <help-seeker> Also the file  /var/volatile/run/resolv.conf does not exist (which is I think link to /etc/resolv.conf)
Nov 07 14:31:31 <help-seeker> are there any alternatives to using /etc/resolv.conf for setting up nameserver?
Nov 07 14:53:21 <CareBear\> help-seeker : so that is a question for the glibc community
Nov 07 14:53:36 <CareBear\> help-seeker : but how about you just create resolv.conf on your own?
Nov 07 14:53:46 <help-seeker> i tried it
Nov 07 14:53:51 <CareBear\> why didn't you say so?
Nov 07 14:53:52 <help-seeker> but does not work
Nov 07 14:54:19 <help-seeker> I tried it after posting here
Nov 07 14:54:53 <CareBear\> and you of course used the correct syntax for the fil?
Nov 07 14:54:54 <CareBear\> file
Nov 07 14:55:07 <help-seeker> yes
Nov 07 14:55:24 <help-seeker> actually /etc/resolvconf is also absent
Nov 07 14:55:29 <CareBear\> I'd suggest starting out with something easier - using a DHCP client
Nov 07 14:56:04 <CareBear\> maybe you have a cost efficient wireless router nearby
Nov 07 14:56:15 <CareBear\> which can give internetz to your beagle, via DHCP
Nov 07 14:56:51 <help-seeker> The router is in a room next door which is locked right now
Nov 07 14:57:01 <help-seeker> i cannnot access it
Nov 07 14:57:09 <CareBear\> then your development is blocked
Nov 07 14:57:19 <help-seeker> yes :)
Nov 07 14:57:26 <CareBear\> I suggest to work on creating a functional development environment, before trying to do any development
Nov 07 14:57:41 <help-seeker> ok
Nov 07 14:58:00 <help-seeker> I am going to try rebuilding the code with bitbake resolvconf
Nov 07 14:58:01 <CareBear\> if you have a laptop and know some iptables you can trivially create your own router of course
Nov 07 14:58:20 <help-seeker> let me check if that resolves it
Nov 07 14:58:37 <help-seeker> yes that is also a possiblilty
Nov 07 14:58:58 <help-seeker> I will check out what can be done with iptables
Nov 07 14:59:03 <CareBear\> do you think it is likely that the distribution that has been prepared for you and for the rest of the world by what are fairly experienced experts was indeed compiled and set up to actually *exclude* a DNS resolver?
Nov 07 14:59:25 <CareBear\> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/16 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE && sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
Nov 07 15:00:55 <help-seeker> Actually I did not find /etc/resolvconf which in turn creates /etc/resolv.conf...so may be I thought trying to bitbake it specifically might work
Nov 07 15:01:55 <CareBear\> I recommend studying glibc instead
Nov 07 15:02:46 <CareBear\> that would fairly quickly pay off, because you can work with knowledge, rather than having to guess :\
Nov 07 15:03:01 <help-seeker> yes I agree with you
Nov 07 15:03:26 <help-seeker> I shall spend some time studying glibc
Nov 07 15:03:41 <help-seeker> thanks!
Nov 07 15:03:43 <CareBear\> I would recommend using a normal PC for that
Nov 07 15:03:49 <help-seeker> yes :)
Nov 07 15:04:16 <CareBear\> instead of the beagle, because the beagle is a bit more special
Nov 07 15:04:32 <CareBear\> the DNS resolver is part of glibc
Nov 07 15:04:57 <CareBear\> I guess maybe Linux From Scratch is a good way to get into the system components
Nov 07 15:05:52 <CareBear\> or any other way to build your own distribution is good
Nov 07 15:06:53 <help-seeker> ok
Nov 07 15:07:05 <CareBear\> it all depends on what you want to accomplish
Nov 07 15:07:40 <CareBear\> if you just want to output a system without understanding how it all works, of course it's a huge time investment which you may not want to make
Nov 07 15:08:13 <CareBear\> then it is probably just as good to continue guessing at solutions and trying things from random blob posts on the internet
Nov 07 15:08:32 <CareBear\> maybe you'll get lucky and find the correct solution somewhere without spending much time
Nov 07 15:09:43 <CareBear\> maybe you won't, and instead you'll spend far longer on clicking links on the interwebz to pages filled with photos of cute cats
Nov 07 16:05:23 <mdp> everbody loves cute cats though....ahhhhhh
Nov 07 16:07:56 <woglinde> to eat
Nov 07 16:07:58 <woglinde> yes
Nov 07 16:08:30 <mdp> that is implied, yes. tastes like chicken
Nov 07 17:38:44 <Odi> Hi. Im using the BeagleBoard C4 to run a simple opencv program which involves following a colored line. I have two motors and I want to make either one of them vibrate depending on the angle of the line. I want the motor to turn on for a specified time (example 0.5s) and then turn off while the main loop still runs. it does not need to be PWM. I used to do this sort of thing on micro controllers using interrupts. How would it be done on
Nov 07 17:46:03 <Odi> Its a C++ program but i don't want to wait for 0.5s in the main loop to turn the motor off. so i want to send a logic high output to a motor and start a timer and turn it off after a set time with an interrupt or something. Do i need a micro?
Nov 07 21:07:09 <KotH> av500: i can hear your phone! ;)
Nov 07 21:10:17 <plaYer2k> ^creepy
Nov 07 21:16:51 <prpplague> av500: where the hell are you?
Nov 07 21:19:07 <KotH> prpplague: we just figured out that he is in the room next to mine...
Nov 07 21:19:14 <mru> prpplague: where the hell are you?
Nov 07 21:20:11 <woglinde> hm edinborough next year
Nov 07 21:20:24 <prpplague> mru: hotel room, doing some emails
Nov 07 21:20:42 <prpplague> mru: was about to head to the hotel bar
Nov 07 21:23:15 <prpplague> mru: where are you?
Nov 07 21:25:45 <KotH> prpplague: he should be back at the hotel
Nov 07 21:26:24 <prpplague> KotH: hotel or hotel bar?
Nov 07 21:26:26 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 07 21:26:32 * KotH does not know
Nov 07 21:26:44 <KotH> although i know quite a lot about mru, i dont know everything
Nov 07 21:27:03 <KotH> and unfortunately, he neutralized the dye in the hotels tap water
Nov 07 21:27:34 <prpplague> HA
Nov 07 21:32:25 <KotH> hmm.. there is a u-blox lea6-t cape missing
Nov 07 21:32:38 <mru> prpplague: I'm in the yocto room trolling tracy and friends
Nov 07 21:33:21 <prpplague> mru: yocto room?
Nov 07 21:34:54 <woglinde> lol
Nov 07 21:40:47 <mru> prpplague: first conf room on the right
Nov 07 21:41:02 <KotH> hmm... if i were to be to make a cape for a beaglebone, who would i need to bribe to get one.. and how much chocolate would that be? :)
Nov 07 21:41:35 <prpplague> mru: heading down in a few
Nov 07 21:41:42 * KotH would like to troll a few people who are using a fruity board to make ntp servers
Nov 07 21:41:53 <KotH> (ntp servers from GPSDOs)
Nov 07 22:12:32 <mru> prpplague: we're still at the bar...
Nov 07 22:16:21 <Crofton> which bar?
Nov 07 22:19:36 <mru> hotel
Nov 07 22:22:51 <woglinde> good night
Nov 07 22:22:57 <Crofton> gn woglinde
Nov 07 23:34:06 <chris37879> Hey all, anyone have any idea why my Ubuntu netinstall fails when it tries to install the bootloader?
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