**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:58 2012 Nov 13 03:20:00 Crofton|work: thanks. I discussed this with some OE folks last week when I first noticed it. No change yet. Nov 13 03:20:38 Crofton|work: have the stuff we discussed on the menu, give you a shout soon Nov 13 03:41:38 KotH: welcome troll Nov 13 03:50:30 hi sakoman Nov 13 03:59:45 hi mranostay! Nov 13 04:03:41 * prpplague throws omap4430s at sakoman like ninja throwing stars Nov 13 04:03:53 do they stick? Nov 13 04:04:05 mranostay: any projects planned for your Stellaris Launchpad? Nov 13 04:04:19 prpplague: ouch! Nov 13 04:04:32 emeb_mac: yes, they do :-( Nov 13 04:04:52 sakoman: long time - how's things? Nov 13 04:05:13 emeb_mac: not bad! staying busy Nov 13 04:05:43 sakoman: that's a good thing. What's the weather like in NorCal these days? Nov 13 04:07:23 sakoman: nope.. the bigger question is time :) Nov 13 04:07:38 emeb_mac: it is winter now -- highs 60's & 70's, low in the 40's Nov 13 04:07:57 had some rain lately too Nov 13 04:08:20 sakoman: Not too bad. We had below 40 here in Phoenix last night. Getting chilly. Nov 13 04:08:31 prpplague: never thought i'd miss a little humdity since Spain Nov 13 04:09:29 mranostay: nice pix you posted yesterday. Looks like a fun trip. Nov 13 04:09:39 Hello everyone, I am using a Beagleboard-xM rev.B with Angstrom v2012.05 (Core edition). When I pluged the webcam in, the board detected the camera: Nov 13 04:09:48 And when I check in /dev/, video1 was showed. Nov 13 04:10:12 And this is my opencv program: (version 2.4.2) http://pastebin.com/NRteCwd7 Nov 13 04:10:22 The return value always No camera. I also changed the index in the cvCaptureFromCAM to 0 or 1 but still No camera. Do I need install any driver to able to use with opencv. Nov 13 04:11:02 * mranostay chugs beer Nov 13 04:14:54 mranostay: hehe Nov 13 04:18:53 so anyone have a idea for a low end build server? Nov 13 04:19:34 something i don't need a monitor and keyboard to setup Nov 13 04:19:41 have i mentioned how much i hate x86 :) Nov 13 04:22:23 *cough* everyone needs a Raspberry-Pi as a build server.... Nov 13 04:23:40 remind me to smack you Nov 13 04:23:54 hehe Nov 13 04:25:59 a beowulf cluster of beaglebones? Nov 13 04:26:26 that would be an interesting project Nov 13 04:26:42 hmmmmm Nov 13 04:26:50 using the gpmc or plain old network? Nov 13 04:27:11 zigbee Nov 13 04:27:17 plain old network would be least hassle. Nov 13 04:27:25 emeb_mac: beocub cluster of RPis? Nov 13 04:27:35 * mranostay stabs ds2 Nov 13 04:27:49 WHAT? O:-) Nov 13 04:28:07 prpplague: meh. crap^n is still crap. :) Nov 13 04:28:15 heh Nov 13 04:29:57 emeb_mac: what's blowing up on you again? Nov 13 04:30:31 building the beaglebone angstrom kernel using oebb.sh fails because the meta-smartphone repo is 403 Nov 13 04:30:52 is there a backup repo? Nov 13 04:31:04 haven't looked at the recipe Nov 13 04:31:31 if there is the script isn't finding it. Or is that something I have to do by hand? Nov 13 04:32:00 you might be able to change it by hand Nov 13 04:32:15 it depends on how it was written Nov 13 04:33:34 only the master repo is listed in layers.txt Nov 13 04:35:17 wonder if it is mirrored Nov 13 04:35:27 googling... Nov 13 04:35:47 emeb_mac: isn't that against the linux foundation harassement policy? Nov 13 04:36:09 probably. Nov 13 04:37:40 emeb_mac: what's the URL it is calling for? Nov 13 04:38:16 layers.txt has http://git.shr-project.org/repo/meta-smartphone.git listed as master. I found another at gitorious though. Nov 13 04:39:23 clone the other one and see if the tag/hash is there if so, change to that Nov 13 04:39:27 cloning from that by hand gets mer further. Nov 13 04:40:19 what 403? Nov 13 04:40:24 it seems to work fine Nov 13 04:40:33 403:forbidden Nov 13 04:41:07 is CCS an eclipse based thing? Nov 13 04:42:08 depends on version Nov 13 04:42:18 emeb_mac: I just cloned that one just fine Nov 13 04:42:41 the one at shr-project.org? Nov 13 04:42:47 yep Nov 13 04:42:55 fantastic! I am unique! Nov 13 04:43:21 I wonder if they've blacklisted my domain or something? Nov 13 04:43:57 no matter - I cloned from gitorious and things are moving along now. Nov 13 04:44:09 must be Nov 13 04:46:35 emeb_mac: what have you been doing? :P Nov 13 04:47:49 mranostay: I'm trying to build a custom kernel for the 'bone that adds spi0 so I can move forward with the FPGA cape. Nov 13 04:48:54 ah DT one or the non-DT one Nov 13 04:49:17 mranostay: I have fsking idea what DT/non-DT mean :P Nov 13 04:49:35 ah HW guys :) Nov 13 04:49:48 guilty as charged. Nov 13 04:50:52 although in this case it's less about being a HW guy and more about not paying attention for the last year or so. Nov 13 04:52:22 ds2: how's the stm board? Nov 13 04:55:54 emeb_mac: waiting on parts from DK Nov 13 04:56:50 Nov 13 04:57:04 :) Nov 13 04:57:42 emeb_mac: I just realized...the F3 disco is bigger then the bone! Nov 13 04:58:27 heh - it's pretty big. Nov 13 04:58:46 and it has more pins on it Nov 13 04:58:49 and it costs 1/6th what the 'bone does. Nov 13 04:59:18 and probally uses less power then the bone ;) Nov 13 04:59:26 so it must be better (by rpi standards) Nov 13 05:00:27 i wish the disco had a uSD slot Nov 13 05:00:53 that would be fun. Nov 13 05:01:01 need a quick and dirty datalogger Nov 13 05:02:43 I've got an F405 board w/ USB & uSD on it. Haven't tested those parts yet though. Nov 13 05:02:50 the F4 have it? Nov 13 05:03:01 no - this is a custom board I did. Nov 13 05:03:11 oh... thought it was a disco Nov 13 05:03:21 I guess I can dust off my bone and use it as a data logger :D Nov 13 05:03:26 there you go. Nov 13 05:03:28 wonder how bad are the on board ADCs Nov 13 05:11:56 ds2: don't know how how well the 'bone ADC works. Nov 13 05:12:19 but my understanding is that it was designed for resistive touch panel digitizing. Nov 13 05:12:31 and it's got a fairly limited input range. Nov 13 05:13:04 0V-1.8V or something Nov 13 05:16:00 that is a scaling problem Nov 13 05:16:09 dynamic range and noise is a bigger issue Nov 13 05:16:27 too lazy to wire up a i2c/spi chip Nov 13 05:17:06 yeah - no idea what the resolution is. Nov 13 05:17:34 the 12-bit ADC on the STM32 parts is quite good though - very low noise. Nov 13 05:18:31 emeb_mac: does the F3 do host mode? Nov 13 05:24:10 ds2: the F3 is device only Nov 13 05:24:34 F4 can do device/OTG/host though Nov 13 05:25:10 F4 disco has an OTG-capable USB micro connector on it too. Nov 13 05:30:49 I really wish I knew why my LCD looks so weird. Nov 13 05:33:38 edahling: get your eyes checked? Nov 13 05:33:46 http://i47.tinypic.com/wv3606.jpg Nov 13 05:34:05 I am due for a checkup. I need a new pair of glasses. Nov 13 05:34:16 But I don't think that's the issue here. Nov 13 05:35:11 Got my backlight to work today though. Pretty happy about that. Nov 13 05:39:11 Have you ever seen an LCD look like that? I'm putting 1 header stripped bitmap (480x272) on fb0. Using the da8xx driver. Nov 13 05:39:41 It should be one image, not 4 little ones. And all the colors are off. Nov 13 05:41:52 blah Nov 13 06:07:38 What is best RFID reader for beaglebone Nov 13 06:08:26 What is best RFID reader for beaglebone? Nov 13 06:10:24 What is best RFID reader for beaglebone? Nov 13 06:12:55 hi for all Nov 13 06:15:25 it's my reader ofkoz Nov 13 06:16:39 is the nexus 4 available for order for those of you in uk/us now? Nov 13 06:23:15 how to use rfid reader with beaglebone? Nov 13 06:48:40 bc__: if you put that exact phrase into google, there's some pretty helpful answers to your question Nov 13 08:27:31 * Russ looks into the hibernate code and finds open coded stuff galore, including a 'do_copy_page' Nov 13 08:42:03 <_av500_> tasslehoff: sold out in DE and FR it seems Nov 13 09:04:45 _av500_: sold out in UK too Nov 13 09:05:16 <_av500_> yes Nov 13 09:07:09 <_av500_> all the hate aside, at least the fruit company can announce and sell stuff Nov 13 09:10:41 the ipad mini: finally, an iphone you cannot use to make phone calls and at the same time is too big to fit into your trousers pockets! :) Nov 13 09:12:18 <_av500_> nexus 7 is nice Nov 13 09:12:29 <_av500_> is the mini so much larger? Nov 13 09:12:36 no idea. Nov 13 09:12:53 at the moment i'm totally not in the business of buying such stuff. Nov 13 09:12:54 <_av500_> so why make such statements? Nov 13 09:13:37 _av500_: because trolling? and translating sascha lobo is sometimes fun ;) Nov 13 09:14:35 * dm8tbr is interested to see how the A101g9 knock-off by that search-engine company will fare Nov 13 09:14:50 hrhrhr Nov 13 09:15:22 I like the cortex-A15 aspect. hrw said it's nice and fast in the chromebook (same SoC) Nov 13 09:18:11 so fast it burns your speakers Nov 13 09:18:15 <_av500_> yes Nov 13 09:18:19 <_av500_> dm8tbr: define fast? Nov 13 09:18:29 <_av500_> its still 3x slower in sunspider vs ani5 Nov 13 09:24:17 <_av500_> #define VMXNET3_REV1_MAGIC 0xbabefee1 Nov 13 09:24:23 <_av500_> tsk, tsk tsk Nov 13 09:24:59 hehehe Nov 13 09:33:01 _av500_: 'much better than the pandaborat, even in case of PB with fast SD' Nov 13 09:34:27 koen: how do i get spidev2 to populate /dev? Nov 13 09:35:44 koen: i'm getting this in my dmesg, but no spidev [ 1.315246] BeagleBone cape: exporting SPI pins as spidev Nov 13 09:37:08 did you load the spidev module? Nov 13 09:38:42 i have it has a built-in Nov 13 09:39:28 CONFIG_SPI_SPIDEV=y Nov 13 09:40:48 i made a simple kernel patch to re-enable it with the lcd7 Nov 13 09:41:02 <_av500_> dm8tbr: eh? Nov 13 09:41:14 <_av500_> KotH: ha, you are back Nov 13 09:42:15 http://pastebin.com/Q5rPARLk Nov 13 09:43:06 i also disconnected the button on gpio3_16 Nov 13 09:45:44 when i made these edits with 3.2.23, it worked, i got a spidev in /dev, but it wasn't working for some other reason Nov 13 09:45:53 now on 3.2.28, it doesn't Nov 13 09:47:06 all i want is a spidev that worked like it did when i patched it with Jack Mitchell's code in 3.2.18 Nov 13 09:52:52 hello? Nov 13 09:53:15 i think he hates me Nov 13 09:55:31 JViz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Ohp2p_VFw Nov 13 09:56:53 yeah Nov 13 09:57:06 they used to play that on the radio when i lived in LA Nov 13 09:57:22 like non-stop Nov 13 09:57:43 i guess that was a good 10 years ago Nov 13 09:57:50 bah, perhaps it won't be nexus this time either, since google makes it so hard for me to buy one. oh well. Nov 13 09:57:57 * tasslehoff stops whining (for now) Nov 13 09:58:45 JViz: or is your beaglebone relationship more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ZO7NN9w9Z_g Nov 13 10:01:10 LetoThe2nd: haha Nov 13 10:06:36 JViz: \m/ O \m/ Nov 13 10:07:17 What to do... what to do... Nov 13 12:03:20 hey Nov 13 12:19:22 panto: crap! Nov 13 12:19:31 hi mranostay Nov 13 12:19:36 looks like you're alive :) Nov 13 12:19:40 what time is it mranostay Nov 13 12:19:41 yes Nov 13 12:19:46 Crofton|work: 4a... Nov 13 12:20:05 i don't handle jetlag well Nov 13 12:20:19 you'll get used to it Nov 13 12:20:54 does anyone know, on which bb board there's a as3711 (or another as371x) PMIC is used? the poster referred to it as "c4," but that just seems to be a reference manual / schematics / datasheet version? Nov 13 12:21:09 brb switching off my EC2 micro session Nov 13 12:21:32 beagle C4 has a tps something or other pmic Nov 13 12:23:01 lunch Nov 13 12:23:10 mru: yes, I also saw tps... hm, maybe they used an external board... will have to ask, thanks Nov 13 13:21:58 <_av500_> gm Nov 13 13:39:01 mourning Nov 13 13:39:21 why so sad? Nov 13 13:39:47 good moaning mdp Nov 13 13:39:58 good moaning to you too Nov 13 13:40:13 panto, it really hit me that I'm back at work again for a second day ;) Nov 13 13:40:35 try to forget about bcn Nov 13 13:42:15 what happens in bcn, stays in bcn? ;) Nov 13 13:42:30 mdp: day number 2, time to finally stop messing around and get some work done? Nov 13 13:42:56 alan_o, hey, I took my TI ethics refresher course yesterday..major accomplishment Nov 13 13:43:10 dm8tbr, we have a variation with s/bcn/bcd/ Nov 13 13:43:15 alan_o, I passed by answering the exact opposite of what I thought the answers were. Nov 13 13:43:37 mdp: hah. Did you get a certificate for your wall? Nov 13 13:44:06 I got a certificate one time for ISO-9001 training. My boss handed it to me and said, "don't throw it directly in the trash." Nov 13 13:44:13 alan_o, indeed...to be hung next to my despair.com "motivators" Nov 13 13:45:22 I should probably stop dreaming about how to create a FOSS friendly hdmi cape to crush the official TI/CCO one Nov 13 13:45:27 Ever since the dispair posters, I snicker every time I see the real ones. Nov 13 13:45:34 ISO-9001 just says that you deliver the same crap, all the time ;) Nov 13 13:46:14 dm8tbr: In our case, we got certified, and nothing changed for me on the engineering side one bit. But if my expense reports....... Nov 13 13:46:25 mdp: at arm they have a stupid "policy" quiz you have to take every year Nov 13 13:46:30 the correct answer is always the longest one Nov 13 13:46:36 dm8tbr: right, and when I was on an SEI CMM 5 assessed project, it meant we had a documented, repeatable process, and we collected metrics and used them to improve our horrible process Nov 13 13:46:51 mru, of course ;) typical corporate quizes Nov 13 13:47:10 I felt bad at mentor graphics...I failed the ethics training there. Nov 13 13:47:27 a team-mate of mine at nds made a script to automate the quiz Nov 13 13:47:45 apparently the correct answers where hidden somewhere in the page sources Nov 13 13:47:51 *were Nov 13 13:50:03 somehow the boss found out and was none too pleased Nov 13 13:53:49 heh Nov 13 13:54:26 they later fired the guy Nov 13 13:54:35 one of the best engineers I've met Nov 13 13:54:42 and one of the quirkiest people Nov 13 13:54:58 these often go hand-in-hand Nov 13 13:55:12 "how can you do your job, if you can't even pass an online test without cheating?" Nov 13 13:55:19 or Nov 13 13:55:33 "how can you possibly be a good engineer if you can't fill out your timecard on a daily basis?" Nov 13 13:55:35 "Kirk did it!" Nov 13 13:57:04 Hello everyone, I am using a Beagleboard-xM rev.B with Angstrom v2012.05 (Core edition). When I pluged the webcam in, the board detected the camera: When I check in /dev/, video1 was showed. And this is my opencv program: (version 2.4.2) http://pastebin.com/NRteCwd7 The return value always No camera. I also changed the index in the cvCaptureFromCAM to 0 or 1 but still No camera. Do I need install any driver to able to use with opencv Nov 13 13:57:39 <_av500_> same answers as yesterday Nov 13 13:57:45 <_av500_> look them up in irc logs Nov 13 13:58:08 yes, av500 Nov 13 13:58:36 I did it and also installed: opkg install v4l-utils opkg install libv4l-dev opkg install kernel-module-uvcvideo Nov 13 13:59:03 currently I have two choices: 1) follow the "plan" (whatever it is) and be told I'm not showing initiative or 2) do what I think best and be told off for not following the plan Nov 13 13:59:38 Lee_: jkridner has a demo with a cam and OpenCV https://github.com/jadonk/stache/blob/master/stache.cpp Nov 13 13:59:39 of course nobody is able to explain what the plan is in the first place Nov 13 13:59:43 mru: yeah, you're magically supposed to have enough time for both Nov 13 13:59:46 av500: when I cross-compile opencv for BB, V4L was turned OFF Nov 13 14:00:09 Lee_: That sounds like a good place to start Nov 13 14:00:13 and if they knew I was saying this in public, they'd yell at me for that too Nov 13 14:00:46 thank you, alan_o Nov 13 14:01:48 bottom line, if you know of anyone looking for a short-term contractor/consultant, let me know Nov 13 14:34:46 alan_o: I tried example you sent me: https://github.com/jadonk/stache/blob/master/stache.cpp but the program worked well in the ubuntu host, but cannot run on the board, it said: cannot Nov 13 14:34:47 Could not load stache-mask.png Nov 13 14:35:41 Lee_: Did you read the code? Nov 13 14:35:52 Lee_: Did you download the whole project, or just one file? Nov 13 14:36:00 That file is part of the project. Nov 13 14:36:10 Exact steps follow: Nov 13 14:36:18 git clone https://github.com/jadonk/stache.git Nov 13 14:36:30 cd stache Nov 13 14:36:33 make Nov 13 14:36:41 ./stache Nov 13 14:37:04 yes, I read and downloaded all Nov 13 14:37:29 I rebuild the program, and it run well on the ubuntu host Nov 13 14:37:49 but when I built for BB-xM it cannot load the png picture Nov 13 14:37:56 when you ran it on the Beagle, did you copy all the files, for example stache-mask.png? Nov 13 14:38:04 yes sure Nov 13 14:38:17 Does maybe OpenCV not have PNG support? Nov 13 14:38:29 I'm just making stuff up Nov 13 14:38:30 I think Something wrong when I cross-build opencv lib for BB Nov 13 14:38:59 ..I turn OFF PNG support Nov 13 14:39:04 when I build openCV Nov 13 14:39:19 sounds like that's going to be a problem when you want it to load a png file Nov 13 14:39:24 why not use the opencv that comes with the sd card? Nov 13 14:40:06 I cross-build follow this link http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_OpenCV_for_ARM_Cortex-A8 Nov 13 14:40:39 koen: could you show me the pre-build Image with full opencv Nov 13 14:40:44 thank you. Nov 13 14:41:22 Lee_: it's included on the sd card that came in the box Nov 13 14:41:48 koen: I lost the original card Nov 13 14:41:50 koen: I didn't get an SD card. I only got a micro-SD card. Nov 13 14:41:57 and my board is rev.B Nov 13 14:42:49 Lee_: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Nov 13 14:42:54 There's an SD card image on that site Nov 13 14:43:11 Also exact steps for writing it Nov 13 14:43:44 does it work fine with beagleboard xm rev.B? Nov 13 14:43:59 oh, oops Nov 13 14:44:04 you want XM Nov 13 14:44:41 did JViz get his spidev working yesterday? Nov 13 14:45:01 yes, sorry, I didnot say clearly Nov 13 14:45:25 Lee_: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Nov 13 14:45:42 koen: I just want to confirm that ^^^ is latest and "the right way" Nov 13 14:46:10 alan_o: Im using the version Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz on that site Nov 13 14:46:27 alan_o: it should be Nov 13 14:46:59 alan_o: Angstrom v2012.01-core (Core edition). Do I need to change another Nov 13 14:48:51 Lee_: I imagine that's fine Nov 13 14:49:22 wait Nov 13 14:49:23 what? Nov 13 14:49:59 I installed this file Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz Nov 13 14:50:11 ok Nov 13 14:50:27 is there no opencv in that one? Nov 13 14:51:01 I cannot file opencv lib, so I had to cross-compiled and download to the board Nov 13 14:51:18 <_av500_> https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/axazqbffUbP Nov 13 14:52:00 alan_0 : I followed this link to build: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Building_OpenCV_for_ARM_Cortex-A8 Nov 13 14:52:16 _av500_: oh no..... I'm more of a troll than I realize... Nov 13 14:54:43 Lee_: ok man... here's the deal. You're going to need to build OpenCV with PNG support if you want to load a PNG file. Full Stop. Alternatively, you can use the OpenCV that comes on the SD card image. I can't say for sure which SD card image has OpenCV on it already. koen probably knows. I don't. It sounds like you're most of the way there if you just build OpenCV with PNG support. Alternatively, it might be easier for you to find opencv on the filesystem ima Nov 13 14:54:43 ge, or find a filesystem image that has opencv on it. Nov 13 14:57:43 alan_o : thank you so much, Im new linuxer, so pardon if I had naive question. Nov 13 14:57:59 and the last question plz, Nov 13 14:58:11 Lee_: It's no problem. That's what the IRC helpdesk is for. Nov 13 14:58:12 :) Nov 13 14:59:05 when I cross-build opencv, I cannot turn-on WITH_V4L, I followed the TI link above Nov 13 15:00:16 Lee_: what's the symptom? Nov 13 15:00:22 I wonder is it this option make my board cannot init the camera when I use cvcaptureFromCAM function? Nov 13 15:00:45 Lee_: sounds like you're on the right track Nov 13 15:01:28 <_av500_> Lee_: download a factory sd card image Nov 13 15:01:30 at this point, since you're new, I'd get an image with opencv on it, or install it from opkg, and do your building right on the beagleboard. Nov 13 15:01:34 <_av500_> and try that one Nov 13 15:01:39 yes Nov 13 15:01:42 <_av500_> it either has opencv Nov 13 15:01:47 <_av500_> or you can opkg install it Nov 13 15:02:11 Lee_: what he said. Nov 13 15:02:32 if it was just the png thing, then maybe... but I'm not going to be able to debug why your V4L won't build remotely. Nov 13 15:02:47 <_av500_> alan_o: you could send a ninja Nov 13 15:03:20 my ninjas are all fighting my own problems currently. Maybe in a week or so :) Nov 13 15:03:21 alan_o, _av500: how can I install full opencv lin directly on the bb-xM Nov 13 15:03:28 opkg Nov 13 15:03:54 <_av500_> 16:01 < _av500_ > it either has opencv Nov 13 15:04:00 <_av500_> did you find out? Nov 13 15:04:15 Im here Nov 13 15:04:31 seaching... Nov 13 15:04:49 Lee_: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromManual Nov 13 15:04:59 Lee_: "Installing Packages Over a network" Nov 13 15:06:01 alan_o : after install, do I need to remove the previous lib? Nov 13 15:07:13 I'd remove your previous lib first Nov 13 15:08:13 yes...ok. thank you again alan_o, _av500 and koen ! Nov 13 15:22:16 er what did i walk into? Nov 13 15:22:40 and should i back out? Nov 13 15:24:45 mdp: ticket closed Nov 13 15:25:24 * mdp starts a congratulatory email train for alan_o lauding the closure metrics Nov 13 15:25:42 mranostay: this is IRC: version 6.7. You are currently running the latest version of the internets. Check for updates? Nov 13 15:26:15 his c64 doesn't have newer internets Nov 13 15:26:54 dang it. stuck with the old internet. Still watching hamsterdance Nov 13 15:28:35 alan_o, mranostay hits the OpenBSD gopher sites on that machine Nov 13 15:29:06 CareBear\ got me looking at C64's on ebay last night. We let the smoke out of ours back in the 80s. That's what happens when you don't have the housing on the back of the CRT and aren't careful enough with the antenna switch/balun. If I got a c64 and ran contiki on it.... I could write an IRC client Nov 13 15:29:54 be sure to have the client SID-enabled Nov 13 15:31:10 alan_o, panto had me looking at a nice analog vector graphics board to properly drive the MAME vector graphics games...I just need more time to work on these important things Nov 13 15:31:31 very important Nov 13 15:31:35 yeah... we need sponsorship Nov 13 15:31:43 kickstarter? Nov 13 15:31:48 YES! Nov 13 15:31:49 I need to have my tempest on a historically accurate way Nov 13 15:31:58 put up like 345 kickstarter projects... Nov 13 15:32:05 collect $$$...work on whatever we want Nov 13 15:32:11 profit!!! Nov 13 15:32:19 somebody will fund a massively parallel z80 machine I'm sure Nov 13 15:32:23 more like won't even pay dinner Nov 13 15:32:39 we need to put in some buzzwords Nov 13 15:32:42 <_av500_> +1 Nov 13 15:32:46 <_av500_> sinergy Nov 13 15:32:46 cloud enabled vector games emulator! Nov 13 15:32:53 panto, "The greatest microcontroller of all time!" Nov 13 15:32:58 Kickstarter is unbelievable to me. People donate and get _nothing_ in return? They invest in a company and get no ownership, no dividends? What's the matter with people? Nov 13 15:33:04 we'll label each project as "The greatest ever!" Nov 13 15:33:10 <_av500_> mdp: lets make a 64 core z80 with an A9 to control it Nov 13 15:33:11 alan_o, hippies Nov 13 15:33:15 <_av500_> then put a video of ubuntu on that a9 Nov 13 15:33:17 <_av500_> done Nov 13 15:33:37 lolwat. Nov 13 15:33:45 _av500_, we'll create a new architecture paradigm: "OLD.New" and modifiy the linux scheduler to support it Nov 13 15:33:54 sigh Nov 13 15:33:57 that's my day job Nov 13 15:33:57 panto, LOL Nov 13 15:33:58 <_av500_> phh see the parallela thing Nov 13 15:34:19 mdp: you'd need an arm emulator on the Z80s Nov 13 15:34:23 (or z80 emulator on arm) Nov 13 15:34:28 <_av500_> no Nov 13 15:34:33 <_av500_> just a gcc backend Nov 13 15:34:40 <_av500_> and z80 intrinsics Nov 13 15:34:41 phh: z80 emulator on the PRU Nov 13 15:34:47 <_av500_> __ADC__ Nov 13 15:35:04 maybe we should start with a DT binding to describe the hw Nov 13 15:35:14 someone did start z80 support for ELKS many decades ago Nov 13 15:35:19 <_av500_> would a capebus help here? Nov 13 15:35:21 mdp: powerpoint slides to design the DT Nov 13 15:35:28 SYNERGY Nov 13 15:35:43 * mranostay stabs alan_o Nov 13 15:35:55 don't joke someone will do it! Nov 13 15:35:57 * panto pours cold water in the channel Nov 13 15:36:01 XorA|gone: oh wow, ELKS is a distant memory Nov 13 15:36:08 water cooled! Nov 13 15:36:10 pipe down people... Nov 13 15:36:35 * XorA|gone has something like 30 z80 machines here Nov 13 15:36:38 mranostay: always comes back to stabbings with you... Nov 13 15:36:48 panto, we will succeed with or without you...we don't need your culture of failure here Nov 13 15:36:49 * alan_o watches the bait Nov 13 15:36:58 mdp, lol Nov 13 15:37:10 alan_o, he had to give up shootings when he moved to the left coast Nov 13 15:37:12 I got the reference (I think) Nov 13 15:37:32 mdp, yes, he replaced that with full fat milk in the latte of his enemies Nov 13 15:37:48 http://haxlr8r.com/blog/the-mystical-art-of-cost-estimation Nov 13 15:37:54 panto: hah! Nov 13 15:38:52 they'll detect the hated lactose instantly and stab him Nov 13 15:39:11 koen, I worked for many years on a company that did cost estimations by the following formula: final-price = hw-components-price * 1.7 Nov 13 15:39:29 note that nowhere there is anything like a software development cost Nov 13 15:39:33 <_av500_> worls for certain values of 1.7 Nov 13 15:39:37 <_av500_> works Nov 13 15:40:14 panto: you mean the time it takes the person to flash the firmware? Nov 13 15:40:28 neither cases where replacing a simple component like memory with large pin-compatible parts shouldn't increase price by a 1.7 factor Nov 13 15:40:36 alan_o, cute :) Nov 13 15:41:31 panto: I'm only half joking... I have a friend who met someone who claimed to be a "programmer." that's literally what this person did. Flashed chips. The chips are unprogrammed; then they are programmed; therefore I am a programmer Nov 13 15:41:43 <_av500_> yes Nov 13 15:41:50 panto, I just heard that same equation on a call an hour ago Nov 13 15:41:55 no sw variable Nov 13 15:42:04 <_av500_> mdp: "we will make millions" Nov 13 15:42:09 <_av500_> of units Nov 13 15:42:16 <_av500_> sw is a fixed cost Nov 13 15:42:17 _av500_, "but we lose money on each unit" Nov 13 15:42:21 <_av500_> yes Nov 13 15:42:22 <_av500_> no Nov 13 15:42:22 _av500_, we used to do that at moto...sell below cost and make it up in volume! Nov 13 15:42:28 <_av500_> yes Nov 13 15:42:36 no, we make it up in sw dev costs Nov 13 15:42:43 hehe Nov 13 15:56:49 alan_o, what's your source for MRF24J40 modules? curious if there's a good !chinaebay src to consider Nov 13 15:58:50 it seems microchip can sell you samples, but I haven't found a way to order the breakout board Nov 13 15:59:05 I didn't spend much time on it either, so I might have overlooked it :) Nov 13 15:59:31 8-10USD for 2 pcs breakout on the slow-boat Nov 13 16:04:22 koen, sometimes the prices from shenzhen amaze me...how about 3USD for 1 breakout board unit? Nov 13 16:06:32 <_av500_> mdp: can you explin to me an hdmi cable including shipping for 1€ (sent from germany) Nov 13 16:06:44 I cannot Nov 13 16:06:48 <_av500_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/HDMI-High-Speed-with-Ethernet-Kabel-FULL-HD-1-0-Meter-/281019821318?pt=DE_Computing_Monitor_AV_Kabel_Adapter&hash=item416e162d06&_uhb=1#ht_1311wt_1141 Nov 13 16:06:52 make it up in volume?!? Nov 13 16:06:56 <_av500_> that has 20% vat already Nov 13 16:07:25 commodities are dirt cheap. film at 11 Nov 13 16:11:05 Do I order a nexus 4? Nov 13 16:11:16 nope Nov 13 16:11:21 <_av500_> Crofton|work: sure Nov 13 16:11:25 <_av500_> then sell it to europe Nov 13 16:11:25 rofl Nov 13 16:11:43 * XorA|gone is assuming it sells out while Crofton|work is making the decision Nov 13 16:11:55 allegedly goes up a noon local Nov 13 16:12:09 went up before 8am in the UK Nov 13 16:12:17 <_av500_> sold out at 7:30 Nov 13 16:12:25 my thinking is I can give it or the one I have to my wife, who is usin ghte nexus 1 Nov 13 16:18:50 _av500_: the things is, nobody knows how many were available today Nov 13 16:18:55 might have been only 100 Nov 13 16:19:27 getting some "sold out in 30min" headlines is surely good publicity Nov 13 16:19:42 and probably increases demand once they start shipping in volume Nov 13 16:24:53 mdp: I've gotten mine from digikey. Can also do MicrochipDirect Nov 13 16:25:04 koen: ^^ Nov 13 16:27:36 mdp: koen: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MRF24J40MA-I%2FRM/MRF24J40MA-I%2FRM-ND/1867972 they have 1500 Nov 13 16:31:01 Hello, Nov 13 16:31:15 help-seeker: world! Nov 13 16:31:34 *core dumped* Nov 13 16:31:48 gdb ./hello Nov 13 16:31:58 I am getting errors while trying to check if dsplink is working with ti-dsplink-examples-run.sh Nov 13 16:32:06 all the tests are failing Nov 13 16:32:34 I have inserted the module correclty using the other loadmodules script Nov 13 16:32:56 for example, Running Loop Sample App =============== Sample Application : LOOP ========== ==== Executing sample for DSP processor Id 0 ==== Entered LOOP_Create () PROC_attach failed . Status = [0x8000800c] Leaving LOOP_Create () Entered LOOP_Delete () CHNL_freeBuffer () failed (output). Status = [0x80008008] CHNL_delete () failed (input). Status = [0x80008000] CHNL_delete () failed (output). Status = [0x80008000] Leaving LOOP_De Nov 13 16:33:26 is something else is also required to get dsplink to work? Nov 13 16:34:56 By the way, I get a warning when the loadmodules script is run...**Warning! You need to use mem=126M or less on the kernel cmdline You have 490712kB total memory for Linux ** Nov 13 16:35:15 are the errors related to this warning? Nov 13 16:41:42 alan_o: thanks...wasn't sure if the microchip module was the only viable option there Nov 13 16:46:30 mdp: There are others. That's the one I'm most familar with. There's stuff from Freescale, and the cc2420 (and related) from TI. Nov 13 16:47:13 also Atmel at86rf230 (supported in mainline) Nov 13 16:47:16 right, I just meant other makers of a module with the mrf24j40 on it Nov 13 16:47:21 ohhh... Nov 13 16:47:26 hmm. not that I know of Nov 13 16:47:33 nbd Nov 13 16:47:39 those are fine to me Nov 13 17:25:26 alan_o: cc2420 lacked driver support, right? Nov 13 17:25:50 koen: there's driver support in the older linux-zigbee tree, but not upstream Nov 13 17:26:00