**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 17 03:00:00 2012
Nov 17 07:12:51 <_av500_> jkridner1: its in my g+ photos
Nov 17 08:05:57 <mranostay> _av500_: baturday!
Nov 17 08:17:01 <woglinde> haha
Nov 17 08:24:17 <mranostay> anyone have a good network camera recommend?
Nov 17 08:25:01 <mranostay> i've used Axis in the past. just need a lab camera for remote visual work and etc
Nov 17 08:29:40 <KotH> elphel is very oss friendly
Nov 17 08:29:57 <_av500_> mranostay: checp chinese?
Nov 17 08:30:00 <_av500_> cheap
Nov 17 08:30:30 <_av500_> mranostay: mranosday!
Nov 17 08:31:48 <KotH> oh.. good morning btw
Nov 17 08:32:52 <mranostay> that is a new one
Nov 17 08:32:54 <_av500_> mranostay: just get a friend with an iphone to post pictures on instagram constantly
Nov 17 08:32:58 <_av500_> should not be that hard
Nov 17 08:33:09 <_av500_> they are trained to do that
Nov 17 08:33:10 <mranostay> hehe
Nov 17 08:33:24 <mranostay> need to start a sweatshop in my apartment? :)
Nov 17 08:33:44 <_av500_> mranostay: I dont know if its tiny enough
Nov 17 08:33:49 <_av500_> there are regulations
Nov 17 08:34:38 <_av500_> blackout al the windows for a start
Nov 17 08:37:50 <mranostay> hey how do you know how big my apartment is? :P
Nov 17 09:55:20 <_av500_> mranostay: the wall, they have eyes
Nov 17 09:57:03 * mranostay gets shotgun
Nov 17 09:58:05 * mranostay updates his bio in the third person
Nov 17 09:58:21 <mranostay> _av500_: i feel like a pscycho everytime i do this :)
Nov 17 11:33:37 <_av500_> ...It was related to "freeing" the whole 8 gigs of my SDCard with raspi-config and then doing the Firmware Upgrade.....
Nov 17 11:33:41 <_av500_> firmware upgrade???
Nov 17 11:33:52 <_av500_> somebody flashed us the rom!
Nov 17 11:48:14 <KotH> _av500_: whatever you do, it's not good for your mental health!
Nov 17 13:37:11 <_av500_> KotH: ok, I do nothing then
Nov 17 13:44:09 <KotH> _av500_: eating chocolate is usually harmless and helps to keep a good mental balance
Nov 17 13:47:54 <_av500_> right
Nov 17 13:48:23 <_av500_> do I have to wipe my mexus 7 in order to "root" it?
Nov 17 14:32:01 <KotH> swipe to unlock?
Nov 17 14:37:45 <_av500_> yes
Nov 17 14:39:18 <_av500_> ha
Nov 17 14:39:26 <_av500_> done
Nov 17 14:39:32 <_av500_> I'm now l33t android hacker
Nov 17 14:39:44 <_av500_> blindly followed readmes and wikis
Nov 17 14:42:00 <KotH> sounds like you found the exact steps
Nov 17 14:42:32 <dm8tbr> _av500_: you're a professional then!
Nov 17 14:43:35 <_av500_> yes
Nov 17 14:43:43 <_av500_> I have now g+ 2.5.x on 4.2
Nov 17 14:43:59 <_av500_> stock 4.2 does not allow any more to downgrade stock apps
Nov 17 14:44:05 <_av500_> so now this stock app is gone
Nov 17 14:44:22 <_av500_> dm8tbr: its a refreshing change to only have to remount /system :)
Nov 17 14:44:34 <_av500_> and not burn a noew rom like for that french company
Nov 17 14:45:35 <_av500_> now I only need to ignore updates
Nov 17 14:45:41 <_av500_> but I do that all the time anyway
Nov 17 14:45:48 <_av500_> jonmasters would be proud of me
Nov 17 15:12:20 <dm8tbr> _av500_: :D
Nov 17 15:14:13 <Crofton|work> rofl
Nov 17 15:14:32 * Crofton|work needs a micro sim for the nexus 4
Nov 17 15:14:41 <Crofton|work> and has no sim cutter
Nov 17 15:14:50 <mru> you managed to get a nexus 4?
Nov 17 15:14:56 <Crofton|work> yes
Nov 17 15:14:59 <mru> how?
Nov 17 15:15:04 <Crofton|work> clicking
Nov 17 15:15:18 <Crofton|work> the order never really completed, but the confirmation email came
Nov 17 15:15:22 <Crofton|work> and the phone came
Nov 17 15:15:35 <Crofton|work> is it much better then the galaxy one?
Nov 17 15:15:42 <Crofton|work> I am thinking of letting my wife use it
Nov 17 15:15:57 <mru> no idea, I haven't managed to get one
Nov 17 15:16:07 <mru> missed the 5-minute window when ordering was possible
Nov 17 15:16:18 <mru> they have them in shops but refuse to sell w/o contract
Nov 17 15:16:22 <Crofton|work> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=nexus+4&_sacat=0&_from=R40
Nov 17 15:16:29 <Crofton|work> contracts suck
Nov 17 15:16:38 <mru> shops suck
Nov 17 15:16:41 <Crofton|work> that too
Nov 17 15:16:53 <Crofton|work> I iwll visit the shop to negotiate for a new sim card
Nov 17 15:16:58 <mru> they say it'll be available sim-free "soon"
Nov 17 15:17:03 <_av500_> negotiate?
Nov 17 15:17:12 <Crofton|work> well, I do not want to pay
Nov 17 15:17:12 <_av500_> just get a 2nd sim, cost me €5 once
Nov 17 15:17:19 <_av500_> from my provider
Nov 17 15:17:21 <Crofton|work> since all my phones or not subsidized
Nov 17 15:17:26 <_av500_> same hre
Nov 17 15:17:27 <_av500_> here
Nov 17 15:17:37 <mru> _av500_: he's in the US, remember
Nov 17 15:17:39 <Crofton|work> I am in the US, where people like me are odd
Nov 17 15:17:40 <_av500_> caled my provider, asked for a 2nd SIM
Nov 17 15:17:44 <dm8tbr> Crofton|work: I managed to cut my sim after printing a mini+micro pattern and gluing it to the back
Nov 17 15:17:51 <Crofton|work> yeah, I suspect I can talk the online people out of one
Nov 17 15:18:00 <_av500_> open the phone and solder it down
Nov 17 15:18:03 <_av500_> so easy
Nov 17 15:18:06 <Crofton|work> yeah, I have seen instructions and tools
Nov 17 15:18:11 <Crofton|work> I want it working now
Nov 17 15:18:17 <Crofton|work> and need to go near there anywhere
Nov 17 15:18:22 <Crofton|work> I need an orange vest
Nov 17 15:18:32 <Crofton|work> so I can go mountain biking and not get shot at
Nov 17 15:18:56 <Crofton|work> It is "hunting" season
Nov 17 15:18:57 <_av500_> isnt the orange vest "easier" to hit?
Nov 17 15:19:28 <Crofton|work> heh
Nov 17 15:19:45 <Crofton|work> apparently there are people that enter the woods and shoot at anything that moves
Nov 17 15:21:09 <_av500_> dont you have a "shot first" doctrine?
Nov 17 15:21:13 <_av500_> shoot*
Nov 17 15:21:17 <Crofton|work> http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/302687
Nov 17 15:21:27 <Crofton|work> also, falling from trees is an issue
Nov 17 15:21:42 <Crofton|work> ok, I need to go shopping
Nov 17 15:21:56 <Crofton|work> hopefully, the Christmas season is not upon us
Nov 17 15:22:24 <mru> I heard ghastly christmas "music" in shops a week ago
Nov 17 15:22:30 <mru> hurried home and locked the door
Nov 17 15:27:56 <KotH> did it help to keep the voices out?
Nov 17 16:37:01 <davidha> Hi, I am looking for performance results on the beaglebone and similar boards suggesting Ethernet Reat/Write performance and USB  read write performance
Nov 17 16:56:19 <CareBear\> davidha : I'd suggest to make tests yourself. please share your results.
Nov 17 17:11:01 <davidha> CareBear\:   If only I could :)
Nov 17 17:11:41 <davidha> CareBear\: In order to decide which board to buy... I need to understand abit about the performance
Nov 17 17:14:15 <CareBear\> the boards are cheap enough to buy one of each
Nov 17 17:14:49 <CareBear\> but if not, then you can prepare tests for others to run
Nov 17 17:15:12 <CareBear\> if you prepare an image that requires zero effort for someone to test, then you can ask nicely for people to test it
Nov 17 17:24:07 <davidha> CareBear\: Thanks for the advice
Nov 17 17:56:32 <xxiao> 1700 jobs nytimes "The layoffs are equivalent to nearly 5 percent of the Austin, Texas-based company's global workforce."
Nov 17 17:56:50 <xxiao> since when TI is at Austin,TX? it's at Dallas
Nov 17 17:56:57 <xxiao> can't believe this is from nytimes
Nov 17 17:57:03 <prpplague> xxiao: hehe, fail
Nov 17 17:57:08 <prpplague> i can
Nov 17 17:57:45 <xxiao> TI only has a small presence at Austin, it's CortexMCU dept
Nov 17 17:57:47 <prpplague> and the 1700 is not only in the texas/us, that is spread across 8 different facilities
Nov 17 17:57:48 <mru> it's mainstream media, expect all "facts" to be inaccurate
Nov 17 17:57:49 <xxiao> s/it's/its/
Nov 17 17:58:22 <prpplague> plus the 1700 number does not include the number of contracts let go either
Nov 17 17:59:56 <xxiao> the best will be: admit the mistake, get back to baseband, fight with qualcomm instead of quit
Nov 17 18:00:06 <xxiao> nvidia has no baseband, and it's getting into it
Nov 17 18:00:59 <xxiao> even poor freescale is spending money on 64-bit multi-thread powerpc core devel
Nov 17 18:01:18 <xxiao> you don't give up the high end, or you will disappear
Nov 17 18:01:57 <xxiao> leave the low-end to allwinner!
Nov 17 18:02:27 <dv_> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/11/14/business/14reuters-texasinstruments-jobcuts.html?_r=0 <- what does this mean for the beagleboard?
Nov 17 18:03:01 <mru> probably nothing
Nov 17 18:04:10 <xxiao> both TI and freescale are FOSS-friendly, while qualcomm/broadcom are not, is that a curse?
Nov 17 18:04:27 <dv_> omap getting sold to amazon doesnt sound very nice
Nov 17 18:04:27 <mru> freescale isn't all that friendly
Nov 17 18:04:36 <mru> dv_: that's just a stupid rumour
Nov 17 18:05:02 <xxiao> mru: i feel the opposite...you download pretty much all their software freely
Nov 17 18:05:10 <mru> sure, but what software?
Nov 17 18:05:17 <xxiao> mru: they failed to build good communities comparing to TI
Nov 17 18:05:40 <xxiao> but you don't need call its sale offices and sign NDA to download a bsp.iso
Nov 17 18:05:48 <mru> you're usually stuck on some ancient kernel version with a thousand butt-ugly patches
Nov 17 18:06:15 <mru> samsung, otoh, have been doing a stellar job upstreaming stuff lately
Nov 17 18:06:29 <xxiao> for imx that is, i think it's under staffed
Nov 17 18:06:47 <xxiao> comparing to broadcom/qualcomm/rich-guys, who are just against it
Nov 17 18:07:00 <mru> qc just don't care
Nov 17 18:07:00 <xxiao> FSL wants to do, just too poor to pull it together
Nov 17 18:07:15 <mru> they rake in cash from big companies no matter
Nov 17 18:07:31 <xxiao> their powerpc line has the newest kernel though
Nov 17 18:07:49 <xxiao> imx is like an adopted child, software team is not as strong as powerpc, that's why
Nov 17 18:08:18 <mru> I don't really care why
Nov 17 18:08:28 <mru> the end result is that the software sucks
Nov 17 18:08:44 * mru does not give out points for effort
Nov 17 18:09:18 <xxiao> well, many of TI's chips do not go upstream either
Nov 17 18:09:19 <dv_> hows marvell doing?
Nov 17 18:09:27 <xxiao> marvell is evil
Nov 17 18:10:00 <xxiao> all you get is a 2-page datasheet _brief_
Nov 17 18:10:10 <xxiao> it's better nowadays though
Nov 17 18:11:29 <dv_> well there seems to be good support for their armada SoC
Nov 17 18:13:16 <dv_> my concern though is that the current omap and am33x chips eventually get phased out, no new beagle/pandaboards arrive, and newer chips become closed
Nov 17 18:13:52 <xxiao> hold on, i think AM/DM series will stay?
Nov 17 18:14:08 <dv_> for how long?
Nov 17 18:14:29 <xxiao> don't know, since its upstream chip will be axed
Nov 17 19:03:38 * _av500_ whispers vayu
Nov 17 19:04:00 <_av500_> dv_: ti is leaving mobile, not high end
Nov 17 19:04:22 <_av500_> you need high end chips e.g. in automotive or industrial too
Nov 17 19:04:27 <dv_> oh. and am3xx chips are high end
Nov 17 19:04:40 <_av500_> names are just names
Nov 17 19:04:56 <_av500_> ti has like 6-core dsps etc
Nov 17 19:05:04 <_av500_> they are not for mobile
Nov 17 19:05:04 <mru> 8-core even
Nov 17 19:05:07 <_av500_> or that
Nov 17 19:08:08 <_av500_> wow, I generated a wave of drama on g+ today :)
Nov 17 19:08:20 <koen> _av500_: vayavaya?
Nov 17 19:10:33 <_av500_> koen: nice trolling btw
Nov 17 19:17:10 <koen> _av500_: I'm on a (t)roll
Nov 17 19:17:35 <_av500_> :)
Nov 17 19:17:55 <Russ> wow gentoo, the amish of the software world
Nov 17 19:18:04 <mru> Russ: obvious troll is obvious
Nov 17 19:18:20 <mru> back to practice
Nov 17 19:18:46 <mru> now had you said debian...
Nov 17 19:19:59 <_av500_> arent the BSDs the amish?
Nov 17 19:20:15 <mru> yeah, probably
Nov 17 19:20:23 <mru> and plan9 is the mormons
Nov 17 19:20:50 <_av500_> I mean, they refuse modern technology like a linux kernel
Nov 17 19:21:03 <mru> and a package manager
Nov 17 19:21:27 <Russ> I'm not sure what sort of cult ubuntu is
Nov 17 19:21:46 <emeb_mac> scientology?
Nov 17 19:21:49 <mru> jehovah's witnesses
Nov 17 19:22:03 <Russ> scientology
Nov 17 19:22:27 <Russ> which makes shuttleworth tom cruis
Nov 17 19:22:30 <Russ> er, cruise
Nov 17 19:23:19 <emeb_mac> cruz?
Nov 17 19:25:19 <mru> am I the only one who finds lennart's comment on koen's post rather ironic?
Nov 17 19:25:35 <mru> isn't he the one rewriting stuff just because?
Nov 17 19:26:10 <KotH> which one?
Nov 17 19:26:18 <mru> https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/BHfgFCBTb6B
Nov 17 19:26:20 <mru> first comment
Nov 17 19:26:25 <KotH> domo
Nov 17 19:26:36 <mru> and I have to use porn mode to see it, blocked as I am by lennart
Nov 17 19:26:51 <KotH> i know
Nov 17 19:29:14 <mru> btw, I'm sick and tired of these "why don't you suggest something better" replies
Nov 17 19:29:33 <mru> THERE'S NO FUCKING NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING
Nov 17 19:29:34 <KotH> ?
Nov 17 19:30:24 <Russ> hey kids, get off mru's lawn
Nov 17 19:31:00 * KotH wonders why pöttering is so pissed that someone forked his work
Nov 17 19:31:17 <mru> also engaging with these people is pointless when anything other than blind adoration is met with derision and scorn
Nov 17 19:31:33 * KotH blindly adores mru 
Nov 17 19:31:34 <KotH> ;->
Nov 17 19:31:45 * mru pokes KotH in the eye
Nov 17 19:31:51 <KotH> ouch!
Nov 17 19:31:53 <KotH> that hurt!
Nov 17 19:31:58 <KotH> i dont like you anymore!
Nov 17 19:32:07 * KotH forks mrus code
Nov 17 19:44:04 * _av500_ forks the fork and removes a bunch of stuff
Nov 17 19:44:16 * _av500_ also reindents all the whitespace
Nov 17 19:44:24 <_av500_> single commit for all of it of course
Nov 17 19:44:42 * dm8tbr forks av500's fork and removes all the comments
Nov 17 19:45:01 * _av500_ also rewrites key parts in assembler, like the main loop
Nov 17 19:45:26 <mru> fully unrolled?
Nov 17 19:45:37 <koen> _av500_: that reminds me of the dm8xx bringup
Nov 17 19:45:50 <mru> dm8tbr bringup?
Nov 17 19:45:59 <koen> _av500_: to validate the ROM code that boots the DSP they had to port various bits of BIOS from c6k asm to C
Nov 17 19:46:39 <_av500_> ah, a real "port"
Nov 17 19:50:14 <_av500_> koen: when we did the m3po with terratec, they hired a programmer to take over our code and work on future products
Nov 17 19:50:26 <_av500_> I talked to the guy after like 1month
Nov 17 19:50:36 <_av500_> he was busy rewriting our i2c driver into asm
Nov 17 19:50:40 <_av500_> since he like asm better
Nov 17 19:50:51 <_av500_> +d
Nov 17 19:51:08 <_av500_> I hinted to terratec he might not have been the best choise...
Nov 17 19:51:34 <mru> was it basty?
Nov 17 19:52:02 <_av500_> hmm
Nov 17 19:52:10 <_av500_> no
Nov 17 19:52:40 <mru> what, there are two of them?
Nov 17 19:53:03 <koen> _av500_: there's a bitbang joke in there somewhere
Nov 17 19:53:32 <_av500_> yes
Nov 17 19:53:51 <koen> ah, xbmc is finally out of the configure stage
Nov 17 19:53:58 <koen> I took the udev-ng approach
Nov 17 19:54:03 <_av500_> time flies when you are having fun
Nov 17 19:54:05 <koen> I deleted everything that looked complex
Nov 17 19:54:15 <koen> and hardcoded the expected results
Nov 17 19:54:20 * koen 1337 hacker now
Nov 17 19:54:30 * _av500_ forks koen
Nov 17 19:54:44 <mru> now let's all mock koen for "deleting code he doesn't understand"
Nov 17 19:56:06 <_av500_> meh, stupid android did NOT retain my game scores
Nov 17 19:56:22 <mru> good, then you get to play them again
Nov 17 19:57:05 <mru> a ps3 game once crashed such that after I restarted, it reported all bonus stuff completed with top score
Nov 17 19:57:25 <_av500_> it was only 1 game
Nov 17 19:57:38 <_av500_> and I dont care for the score
Nov 17 19:57:44 <_av500_> was more to see if it would work
Nov 17 20:02:34 <mru> wouldn't it be simpler to just assume that it wouldn't?
Nov 17 20:58:15 <fredb> Guys, are the customizations for the BeagleBone Linux kernel available in the mainline upsteam kernel?
Nov 17 20:58:28 <koen> hahahahahaha
Nov 17 20:58:35 <koen> good one
Nov 17 20:58:43 * koen wipes away tears
Nov 17 20:59:13 <fredb> So that's a definite no then?
Nov 17 20:59:23 <koen> fredb: have a look at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ , that should answer your questions
Nov 17 20:59:36 <fredb> OK, reading it now, thanks
Nov 17 21:02:59 <_av500_> koen: you should make a beagleboard only kernel, remove all the other stuff
Nov 17 21:03:08 <_av500_> its too complex
Nov 17 21:03:17 <koen> "rcu looks complex, let's delete it"
Nov 17 21:03:32 <_av500_> I never used it
Nov 17 21:03:34 <Russ> threads are too slow
Nov 17 21:03:42 <_av500_> good riddance
Nov 17 21:05:44 <mru> koen: would you please stop it?
Nov 17 21:14:19 <_av500_> damn, I fix me a drink and the thread dies
Nov 17 21:20:50 <mru> I don't have much by way of drinks at home, which is probably just as well
Nov 17 21:21:25 <_av500_> I have all these limes to get rid of :)
Nov 17 22:29:31 <mranostay> hi _av500_
Nov 17 22:46:16 <JViz> TI is eliminating their OMAP division?
Nov 17 22:48:40 <JViz> that really sucks
Nov 17 22:49:05 <JViz> doesn't koen work for TI?
Nov 17 22:52:28 <woglinde> jviz nah the eleminate the omap wirless section
Nov 17 22:53:18 <JViz> woglinde: that's not what the New York Times is saying
Nov 17 22:53:26 <JViz> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/11/14/business/14reuters-texasinstruments-jobcuts.html?_r=0
Nov 17 23:05:35 <ka6sox> JViz, do we want to believe the NYT?
Nov 17 23:05:50 <ka6sox> now if it was the San Jose Mercury News....yes
Nov 17 23:13:50 <mru> ka6sox: I want to believe the NYT, but I know better than doing so
Nov 17 23:14:36 <mru> JViz: keep in mind that your average journalist doesn't know anything about the chip architectures and how the different lines are related
Nov 17 23:21:38 <_av500_> they will kill "omap" as a name
Nov 17 23:21:42 <_av500_> they have so many other names
Nov 17 23:21:46 <_av500_> davinci
Nov 17 23:21:48 <_av500_> sitara
Nov 17 23:21:53 <_av500_> keystone
Nov 17 23:28:08 <Crofton|work> so many names, so little time
Nov 17 23:30:10 <mru> what percentage of TI revenue comes from OMAP sales?
Nov 17 23:30:15 <mru> I bet it's not a whole lot
Nov 17 23:30:45 <mru> we all know the big money is in level shifters
Nov 17 23:31:03 <_av500_> and PMICs
Nov 17 23:31:12 <_av500_> ok, these are level shifters in a way
Nov 17 23:31:27 <mru> glorified level shifters
Nov 17 23:31:45 <_av500_> let's postulate: if the voltage does not change, it does not earn money
Nov 17 23:32:17 <mru> that's simple physics
Nov 17 23:38:56 <mru> money is power, and power is current^2 * resistance
Nov 17 23:39:14 <mru> current flowing through a resistance results in a voltage drop
Nov 18 02:22:49 <mranostay> hi mythos
Nov 18 02:24:49 <mythos> erm... hi, mranostay
Nov 18 02:25:49 <mythos> i don't have a beagleboard. i'm only here, because i want to be with the cool guys...
Nov 18 02:31:24 <mranostay> mythos: cool in here?
Nov 18 02:31:32 <mranostay> and on IRC? :)
Nov 18 02:41:12 <JViz> why lay off 1,700 people if they are just killing a product name?
Nov 18 02:41:28 <mranostay> heh
Nov 18 02:41:46 * mranostay notes JViz must not work for a big company
Nov 18 02:42:13 <JViz> 1,700 people is a lot of people
Nov 18 02:42:13 <JViz> nope
Nov 18 02:42:13 <JViz> that's like 5% of their company though
Nov 18 02:42:25 <JViz> all from a single division
Nov 18 02:43:23 <mranostay> all big companies clean house
Nov 18 02:43:58 <JViz> sure
Nov 18 02:50:13 <JViz> so you're saying the discontinuation of the OMAP line is an excuse for TI to can a bunch of people?
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