**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 19 02:59:59 2012
Nov 19 03:58:31 * mranostay pokes _av500_ 
Nov 19 05:14:17 <mranostay> mru: you around?
Nov 19 08:08:44 <KotH> mranostay: switzerland inst weird! it's the island of sanity in this sea auf EU-insanity :)
Nov 19 08:08:56 <KotH> mranostay: and we have chocolate :)
Nov 19 08:11:39 <av500> mranostay: ?
Nov 19 08:12:00 <av500> dm8tbr: wrt iron sky, I like the downtown manhatten scenes filmed in Mainhattan actually
Nov 19 08:19:21 <mranostay> av500: or Cleveland in the case of some movies :P
Nov 19 09:25:03 <mru> mranostay: pong
Nov 19 09:27:51 <av500> too late, he just passed out
Nov 19 09:41:20 <dm8tbr> av500: oooh, I totally missed that bit it seems :)
Nov 19 09:50:17 <av500> dm8tbr: ...Filming began in November 2010 in Frankfurt for location shooting, and after that in January 2011 in Australia for studio shooting....
Nov 19 09:50:47 <av500> I saw Japan Center in one of the shots :)
Nov 19 09:51:05 <dm8tbr> I'll have to rewatch those parts cosciously
Nov 19 09:51:22 <av500> couscously?
Nov 19 09:51:31 <dm8tbr> +n
Nov 19 09:52:00 <dm8tbr> although now that you say it. that railway bridge did look quite familiar in one scene...
Nov 19 10:06:02 <panto> happy freakin' monday morning
Nov 19 10:06:23 <koen> _roger_: good morning!
Nov 19 10:08:51 * KotH throws a bomb belt at panto 
Nov 19 10:08:56 <KotH> happy monday morning to you too!
Nov 19 10:10:02 <dm8tbr> .oO(always those jihadists....)
Nov 19 10:10:39 <panto> open source jihadists
Nov 19 10:11:11 <KotH> yeah...if there are opens source evangelists, then there ought to be open source jihadists!
Nov 19 10:12:03 <KotH> dm8tbr: apropos. before i forget again: <adv>www.aotag.ch</adv>
Nov 19 10:12:15 <av500> </blink>
Nov 19 10:13:07 <dm8tbr> KotH: :D
Nov 19 10:13:26 <koen> </marquee>
Nov 19 10:13:27 <KotH> dm8tbr: you want to hire us *jedi move*
Nov 19 10:13:31 <KotH> ;-)
Nov 19 10:15:17 <dm8tbr> KotH: Our IndustrialEngineering guys are in Munich, so certainly closer than I am. And the speach codec negotiation is easier around there too (unless you hit LANG=de-by)
Nov 19 10:15:42 <KotH> dm8tbr: we're swiss. we understand almost all germans
Nov 19 10:15:55 <KotH> dm8tbr: though, i must say i've a little trouble with platt
Nov 19 10:16:24 <dm8tbr> around here most people speak finncrypt and finglish ;)
Nov 19 10:17:31 <KotH> dm8tbr: if you hire us, i'd give learning finnish a try :-)
Nov 19 10:17:45 <KotH> shouldnt be too difficult to someone knowing two altai languages already ;-)
Nov 19 10:18:13 <mru> finnish is not particularly altaic
Nov 19 10:18:57 <mru> and even then, it's like saying russian is easy because you know a couple of indo-european languages (english and german, say)
Nov 19 10:20:02 <KotH> actually, russian is easy
Nov 19 10:20:07 <KotH> even my mother spoke it fluently
Nov 19 11:13:00 <panto> Crofton, Crofton|work, ping
Nov 19 11:25:14 <axMountain> ifconfig has hanged! what should I do? I just installed wifi dongle rtl8192cu, and dmesg says it recognize it after i installed firmware from opkg, but when i run ifconfig it says 'hung_task_timeout_secs' in dmesg
Nov 19 11:39:22 <tasslehoff> we based our previous board on beagle c3, and have begun thinking about the next gen. are the recent news a reason not to choose omap this time? the future seems a bit uncertain..
Nov 19 11:41:23 <LetoThe2nd> tasslehoff: depending on what you are doing, omaps might still be a good choice. but note that from omap4, the distribution model has significantly changed, e.g. only large volume customers can get the bare socs.
Nov 19 11:43:16 <av500> tasslehoff: it depends :)
Nov 19 11:43:45 <LetoThe2nd> av500: IT depends or it DEPENDS?
Nov 19 11:44:18 <mru> an omap4 SoM might be a good option
Nov 19 11:44:35 <av500> meh, omap5 is all the rage now
Nov 19 11:44:41 <mru> or that, sure
Nov 19 11:44:50 * av500 checks his omap6 slides
Nov 19 11:44:59 <LetoThe2nd> av500: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_(band)
Nov 19 11:45:08 <LetoThe2nd> \o/ metal!
Nov 19 11:45:57 <av500> /o\
Nov 19 11:46:06 <mru> /o/
Nov 19 11:46:08 <av500> quick, take the pills
Nov 19 11:46:18 <av500> |-o-|
Nov 19 11:46:36 <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
Nov 19 11:46:54 <mru> >o<
Nov 19 11:48:07 * axMountain loves wifi on linux
Nov 19 11:56:07 <tasslehoff> LetoThe2nd: that is our problem. we're a small volume customer :)
Nov 19 11:58:28 <av500> ask ti for some OMAP4428
Nov 19 11:58:48 <tasslehoff> small volume and small company, so beagle + openembedded (+ #beagle) has really been important :)
Nov 19 11:58:50 <mru> what's that? downclocked 4430?
Nov 19 11:58:59 <LetoThe2nd> tasslehoff: then omap4/5 is probably not an option, except as a SoM
Nov 19 12:01:22 <LetoThe2nd> tasslehoff: call phytec *cough* :)
Nov 19 12:02:26 <axMountain> connmand hungs after i run 'systemctl restart connman.service', does anyone know what is wrong?
Nov 19 12:04:10 <tasslehoff> :)
Nov 19 12:04:27 <av500> axMountain: I am sure the binary syslogd output will tell you the exact error
Nov 19 12:05:12 <axMountain> av500: thank you, I'll check
Nov 19 12:06:02 <LetoThe2nd> tasslehoff: another option is variscite, which is a bit cheaper, but does not provide the same level in longterm support and physical testing, at least AFAIK.
Nov 19 12:07:21 <panto> av500, ouch
Nov 19 12:16:51 <axMountain> av500: is it possible to read the binary syslogd?
Nov 19 12:18:08 * mru suggests printing it in hex, rolling it up, and shoving down lennart's throat
Nov 19 12:18:40 * panto just spend 1h+ trying to find out where reboot hangs with systemd 
Nov 19 12:18:55 <mru> but it's better!!!!
Nov 19 12:19:00 <KotH> why... do...you... use... systemd?
Nov 19 12:19:02 <mru> and modern!!!
Nov 19 12:19:08 <panto> the fuck it is
Nov 19 12:20:17 * axMountain think's he's getting the point
Nov 19 12:20:45 <KotH> axMountain, panto: but seriously, why do you use systemd?
Nov 19 12:21:03 <mru> they want to be cool like lennart
Nov 19 12:21:37 <axMountain> KotH: caus it was shipped with the beaglebone, i'll change to ubuntu right away
Nov 19 12:21:45 <panto> KotH, not my call
Nov 19 12:21:58 <mru> somehow I don't think ubuntu is that much better
Nov 19 12:22:07 <axMountain> hehe
Nov 19 12:22:14 <axMountain> what is then?
Nov 19 12:22:23 <KotH> axMountain: go the av500 way and use buildroot :)
Nov 19 12:24:18 <Jacmet> KotH: we even have systemd in buildroot these days :P
Nov 19 12:24:30 <av500> /o\
Nov 19 12:24:38 <av500> good that i'm on a 5year old relase
Nov 19 12:25:00 <Jacmet> av500: we didn't have releases 5 years ago. I guess you are referring to a random svn snapshot
Nov 19 12:25:05 <panto> why x86 sucks, #34857235: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.gr/2012/11/attacking-hardened-linux-systems-with.html
Nov 19 12:25:07 <KotH> Jacmet: WHY? WHY? In the name of all what is holy and trollish, WHY?
Nov 19 12:25:09 <axMountain> KotH: "Can handle everything in your embedded system" sound promising
Nov 19 12:25:17 <av500> Jacmet: ack
Nov 19 12:25:38 <Jacmet> KotH: because somebody contributed it. Don't take it as a recommendation
Nov 19 12:25:54 <av500> Jacmet: is his head on a stake? if not, why?
Nov 19 12:26:10 <Jacmet> KotH: I released 2012.11-rc1 Saturday, time to upgrade ;)
Nov 19 12:26:54 <KotH> Jacmet: but you didnt had to accept the patch!
Nov 19 12:27:17 <av500> think of the children!
Nov 19 12:27:37 * KotH thinks of av500s children and himself
Nov 19 12:28:04 <axMountain> haha
Nov 19 12:28:36 <mru> KotH: no cross-channel chatting!
Nov 19 12:28:47 <panto> lunch
Nov 19 12:28:53 <mru> kids and their xcc attacks...
Nov 19 12:28:58 <av500> panto: ack
Nov 19 12:29:25 * av500 does not understand how people can bring children into this world of lennart these days
Nov 19 12:31:34 <av500> btw: https://plus.google.com/106265217227408958782/posts/XZM2Ljbj2TF
Nov 19 12:31:36 <KotH> av500: how old is your youngest?
Nov 19 12:31:48 <av500> KotH: I am guilty
Nov 19 12:32:35 <KotH> av500: you're a troll, being guilty is what you are
Nov 19 12:33:32 <av500> KotH: well, actually, #3 was forked pre-systemd
Nov 19 12:33:46 <av500> I'm innocent
Nov 19 12:33:56 <av500> I forgot the 9 months debug phase
Nov 19 12:46:17 <mdp> panto, after you invest the ramp-up time, you'll mostly forget about the painful introductory period with systemd
Nov 19 12:46:47 <mdp> unless you have jcm circled like me ;)
Nov 19 12:49:01 <av500> its like chest pains, hurt your knee to distract you from it....
Nov 19 12:52:57 <av500> its a gathering
Nov 19 12:54:17 <KotH> av500: yes, but avahi already existed!
Nov 19 12:55:13 <av500> KotH: I dont need that to boot a system
Nov 19 12:56:29 <Crofton|work> panto, you rang?
Nov 19 12:56:44 <av500> he went for lunch
Nov 19 12:56:51 <Crofton|work> I see
Nov 19 12:57:00 <panto> back
Nov 19 12:57:11 <panto> hi mdp
Nov 19 12:57:12 <av500> quick
Nov 19 12:57:25 <panto> Crofton|work, hey
Nov 19 12:57:53 <panto> av500, I have something like a personal chef in the building (my mother-in-law)
Nov 19 12:58:05 <panto> that's the perk, but comes with my father-in-law as a bundle
Nov 19 12:58:11 <av500> panto: and she let you leave the table that fast?
Nov 19 12:58:36 <panto> I had her trained
Nov 19 12:58:40 <av500> oh
Nov 19 12:58:55 <panto> Crofton|work, so I have a friends that's into SDR
Nov 19 12:58:58 <panto> *fried
Nov 19 12:59:02 <panto> *friend even
Nov 19 12:59:02 <panto> damn
Nov 19 12:59:09 <av500> fired fried friends
Nov 19 12:59:15 <panto> delicious
Nov 19 12:59:43 <dm8tbr> deep* ?
Nov 19 12:59:57 <av500> twice
Nov 19 13:00:07 <av500> like twinkies
Nov 19 13:00:24 <KotH> zwieback?
Nov 19 13:00:33 <KotH> er.. zwiefry?
Nov 19 13:00:34 <Crofton|work> and?
Nov 19 13:00:48 <panto> he's a ham buff, and he's looking into making a cape for that
Nov 19 13:01:07 <av500> a bacon cape
Nov 19 13:01:08 <panto> so I was wondering maybe you could work together
Nov 19 13:01:24 <Crofton|work> I am very busy with other projects :(
Nov 19 13:01:39 <panto> I see :/
Nov 19 13:01:51 <Crofton|work> alot of ham stuff is narrowban rf fed into the audio adc
Nov 19 13:02:04 <panto> yes, that's exactly his idea
Nov 19 13:02:13 <Crofton|work> he has a good idea then :)
Nov 19 13:02:15 <panto> he already has something that works
Nov 19 13:02:33 <panto> but it's a hacked up solution
Nov 19 13:02:37 <av500> hmm, DRM receiver cape
Nov 19 13:02:49 <Crofton|work> yeah
Nov 19 13:02:54 <panto> usb -> uC -> audio codec -> rf
Nov 19 13:03:15 <Crofton|work> for a cape, you should be able to avoid usb/uc?
Nov 19 13:03:21 <panto> yeah
Nov 19 13:03:44 <panto> perhaps even tack on an FPGA, like the FPGA cape and do higher performance stuff
Nov 19 13:04:09 <Crofton|work> there is not a low of fpga skill available
Nov 19 13:04:17 <Crofton|work> for ham stuff I would avoid that
Nov 19 13:04:59 <panto> I think he knows that
Nov 19 13:05:08 <Crofton|work> good
Nov 19 13:05:17 <panto> but there are other guys that can hack FPGAs around
Nov 19 13:05:30 <Crofton|work> we need a way to grow more open source oriented fpga people
Nov 19 13:05:37 <panto> right
Nov 19 13:05:44 <KotH> actually most of the SDR development is done on the USRP and similar boards these days, which all contain an fpga
Nov 19 13:05:48 <panto> so I think I have the people that can do that around here
Nov 19 13:05:58 <panto> but they kinda lack focus
Nov 19 13:06:20 <KotH> Crofton|work: how do you want to do that? C is already very difficult for most people, how do you want to teach the VHDL or even worse Verilog?
Nov 19 13:06:34 <panto> so I was wondering
Nov 19 13:06:45 <panto> the problem is the development environment
Nov 19 13:06:57 <KotH> that too
Nov 19 13:07:20 <panto> it is very h/w targeted (i.e. need an JTAG connection, develop on a windoze pc, etc)
Nov 19 13:07:24 <KotH> though for the smaller fpgas you get free synthesiszers
Nov 19 13:07:42 <panto> KotH, yes
Nov 19 13:07:55 <KotH> whats the problem with jtag?
Nov 19 13:08:01 <KotH> it's just another adapter
Nov 19 13:08:31 <av500> KotH: btw, Crofton|work *is* Mr. USRP here :)
Nov 19 13:08:35 <panto> KotH, yes, but it's another thing to configure, and needs another PC
Nov 19 13:08:55 <av500> jtag from the bone
Nov 19 13:08:58 <mdp> av500, Crofton|work is a usurper?
Nov 19 13:09:05 <panto> av500, yes, that's an idea
Nov 19 13:09:07 <av500> mdp: the worst kind
Nov 19 13:09:13 <KotH> av500: oh...
Nov 19 13:09:20 <panto> mdp, he's the illegitimate heir to throne
Nov 19 13:09:23 * mdp shuns Crofton|work
Nov 19 13:09:32 <av500> we did bitbang jtag for some CPLD in the past from the uC
Nov 19 13:09:53 <Crofton|work> back
Nov 19 13:10:12 <mdp> sounds like an interesting discussion...that's what I was planning to do for the 6502 cape's CPLD..just program it from the bone
Nov 19 13:10:15 <panto> so, what would be the ideal, low-cost cape design
Nov 19 13:10:26 <Crofton|work> there was a program called usrper back nit eh day :)
Nov 19 13:10:37 <panto> I know the low-end stuff can be handled by the audio codec
Nov 19 13:10:40 <av500> panto: the AirCape(tm)
Nov 19 13:10:45 <panto> no capes!
Nov 19 13:10:49 <av500> its like an air guitar
Nov 19 13:10:54 <Crofton|work> how about pants
Nov 19 13:11:07 <av500> Crofton|work: nah, not for home workers
Nov 19 13:11:11 <Crofton|work> a small fpga would give poeple something to try out
Nov 19 13:11:27 <mdp> av500, clearly an AAPL trademark problem there
Nov 19 13:11:30 <Crofton|work> KotH, the usrp is verilog centric :)
Nov 19 13:11:40 <av500> "learn to hate VHDL for only $39" - that will sell that cape
Nov 19 13:11:41 <panto> right, and forgive my utter ignorance on the subject, what kind of applications a small fpga could target?
Nov 19 13:12:09 <Crofton|work> I guess I owuld ike at cost
Nov 19 13:12:09 <KotH> panto: well..with most fpgas you can load them from a system processor
Nov 19 13:12:11 <panto> perhaps nothing very high speed like wifi
Nov 19 13:12:18 <Crofton|work> no wifi is hard
Nov 19 13:12:28 <av500> bitbang wifi?
Nov 19 13:12:34 <panto> KotH, I know, I've done that too :)
Nov 19 13:12:45 <Crofton|work> not sure, narrow abnd ham stuff should be doable in processor
Nov 19 13:12:55 <panto> Crofton|work, RFID?
Nov 19 13:12:58 <KotH> panto: why are we talking then, if you know everyhing already? ;-)
Nov 19 13:13:00 <av500> there is a 1ghz with neon after all
Nov 19 13:13:01 <panto> or NFC?
Nov 19 13:13:07 <panto> KotH, I know nothing :)
Nov 19 13:13:27 <panto> I just bitbanged the FPGA loader, I know nothing about FPGA programming :)
Nov 19 13:13:37 <av500> +1
Nov 19 13:13:53 <Crofton|work> you are getting into a class of application you would want a usrp for
Nov 19 13:14:06 <Crofton|work> hams are notoriously cheap :)
Nov 19 13:14:07 <av500> Crofton|work: URSP cape then
Nov 19 13:14:27 <KotH> panto: if you know ADA, you can write VHDL
Nov 19 13:14:28 <panto> Crofton|work, I don't know, I'm just asking
Nov 19 13:14:46 <KotH> panto: if you know C, you realize that verilog is a beaten up version of C that you dont want to use ;)
Nov 19 13:15:02 <panto> heh
Nov 19 13:15:03 <av500> ah, like C++
Nov 19 13:15:05 <Crofton|work> which is why people use verilog, because we can imagine what i ahppening
Nov 19 13:15:09 <panto> av500, +1
Nov 19 13:15:12 <KotH> av500: way worse than c++
Nov 19 13:15:26 <KotH> Crofton|work: actually, europe is mostly vhdl
Nov 19 13:15:39 <mdp> Crofton|work: related note, hopefully, isn't Papilio an attempt to grow more FOSS friendly fpga folks?
Nov 19 13:15:45 <Crofton|work> apparently so is us east coast
Nov 19 13:15:51 <Crofton|work> us west coast is verilog
Nov 19 13:16:11 <av500> fight a war over it
Nov 19 13:16:13 <mdp> my uni taught VHDL because it's a "true standard" ;)
Nov 19 13:16:24 <panto> *cough*pascal*couch*
Nov 19 13:16:27 <KotH> mdp: wtf?
Nov 19 13:16:43 <KotH> mdp: afaik verilog has been an ieee standard for nearly as long as vhdl
Nov 19 13:16:57 <KotH> mdp: though, i must admit that the design of verilog is inexistend
Nov 19 13:17:10 <mdp> KotH: yeah, I was confused by that even back then
Nov 19 13:17:11 <KotH> panto: pascal (at least its modern variants) are cool!
Nov 19 13:17:21 * panto blinks 
Nov 19 13:17:28 <panto> no they're not
Nov 19 13:17:33 * panto dons holly warrior suit 
Nov 19 13:18:26 <mdp> KotH: I think people justify whatever they like..I'm sure the department head believed VHDL was going to kill Verilog
Nov 19 13:18:31 * KotH dons unholly warrior suit and bomb belt
Nov 19 13:18:44 <KotH> mdp: sadly it didnt
Nov 19 13:18:56 <mdp> certainly not ;)
Nov 19 13:19:46 <mdp> it's now 18ish years later after that class for me and I find I need to parse both to sift through various FOSS h/w projects.
Nov 19 13:20:05 <av500> just say no to open hardware
Nov 19 13:20:09 <panto> so, for something like this: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bfpga2/index.html
Nov 19 13:20:13 <mdp> KotH: tbh, I don't see the big deal, we all need to parse numerous languages
Nov 19 13:20:40 <KotH> mdp: i learned verliog when dealing with ogp, but imho this is just a mambojambo language
Nov 19 13:20:50 <panto> would that handle something like ham + am/fm radio?
Nov 19 13:20:59 <KotH> mdp: very confusing and you can do errors by missing a single character at some crucial point
Nov 19 13:21:11 <KotH> mdp: not exactly something i'd like to use for hw development
Nov 19 13:21:17 <panto> KotH, very true to C's tradition :)
Nov 19 13:21:22 <mdp> I haven't actively worked in it, myself..good to know
Nov 19 13:21:25 <KotH> mdp: vhdl on the other hand has a very clear structure, but is overly verbose
Nov 19 13:21:43 <KotH> panto: no, it's even worse
Nov 19 13:21:50 <panto> C++ then?
Nov 19 13:22:06 <KotH> panto: with c you can let your software crash. with verilog you can fry your hardware without even knowing why
Nov 19 13:22:17 <mdp> KotH: reminds me of stories from a bearded (much senior) CS grad student who told me of JCL nightmares with a missed character causing thousands of pages of printed errors from his timeshared job ;)
Nov 19 13:22:25 <KotH> its more like an unholy marriage between c and forth
Nov 19 13:22:38 <KotH> mdp: *g*
Nov 19 13:23:32 <KotH> anyone ever did systemc?
Nov 19 13:23:51 <av500> mdp: it reminds me of the prof at uni that printed a job that turned out into raw postscript - he kept feeding the papers ~1000pages to make it stop
Nov 19 13:23:58 <KotH> that's mostly like how verilog should have been done... but it's even more verbose than vhdl
Nov 19 13:24:10 <av500> the printer*
Nov 19 13:24:16 <mdp> av500, nice ;)
Nov 19 13:24:55 <av500> for the other prof we had to keep a 2400 dialin so he could log in from home and check his email
Nov 19 13:25:09 <av500> never change a running system
Nov 19 13:25:48 <KotH> av500: the lugs is afaik still providing uucp to its members :)
Nov 19 13:26:14 <mru> KotH: panto: wtf is a holly warrior? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly
Nov 19 13:26:58 <av500> reminds me of the Holly Bush pub in Hampstead
Nov 19 13:27:30 <panto> it's a holy warrior that's very bad at spelling
Nov 19 13:30:31 <KotH> or one that is wearing a holly branch :)
Nov 19 13:31:07 <av500> only
Nov 19 13:31:17 <mdp> hrm, very cool, didn't realize emeb's designs were PMOD compatible..nice since I have a digilent board as well
Nov 19 13:32:10 <Guest7307> Hi, could I ask for help? I have BeagleBoard xM rev C with Angstrom distribution installed. But I can not run the S-video. What package I need to switch S-video on?
Nov 19 13:32:27 <av500> you need the right kernel command line
Nov 19 13:33:06 <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Process_for_setting_up_S-Video
Nov 19 13:33:32 <av500> hmm, that mentions boot.scr, but I guess you need to edit uEnv.txt these daays
Nov 19 13:33:56 <av500> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAngstrom#Configuring_uEnv.txt_to_set_s-video_as_the_default_display_on_BeagleBoard-xM
Nov 19 13:34:08 <av500> ah, first one was ubuntu, my bad
Nov 19 13:44:38 <Guest7307> Thank you very much av500! I was reading this web page yesterday in the evening and I coul not to solve the problem. If I edit the uEnv.txt the file did not changed. But I have just tried to edit it, then I logged of and then I restart BB. And now it is running!
Nov 19 14:00:00 <Guest7307> have a nice day! Good bye
Nov 19 14:36:17 <SilicaGel> Anybody want to see my Xbee Christmas light controller?  https://plus.google.com/108380917869049424169/posts
Nov 19 14:41:31 <keesj> SilicaGel: nice, and fun that you are posting the different design steps. Is the other side a beagle?
Nov 19 14:41:52 <SilicaGel> No, but the controller that synchronizes all of this is
Nov 19 14:42:09 <SilicaGel> it's a beaglebone running linux
Nov 19 14:42:14 <SilicaGel> and another xbee
Nov 19 14:44:31 <SilicaGel> i ahve to figure out those stupid press-in tabs though, they really don't fit into the round hole
Nov 19 14:44:37 <SilicaGel> perhaps because they are square :-O
Nov 19 14:50:33 <av500> SilicaGel: added you on g+, expect embedded posts :)
Nov 19 14:50:41 <SilicaGel> haha i'll try
Nov 19 14:51:16 <mru> and weird arty stuff too
Nov 19 14:51:27 <mru> we're not to comment on those, apparently
Nov 19 14:54:38 <SilicaGel> really?  hmm taht's odd
Nov 19 14:55:16 <KotH> arty stuff? from av500? or his kids?
Nov 19 15:00:43 <av500> SilicaGel: yeah, ignore 90% of my posts
Nov 19 15:00:59 <av500> the embedded ones go to circles, not public
Nov 19 15:01:16 <av500> man, this udev story is epic
Nov 19 15:01:29 <av500> lp is fanning the flames
Nov 19 15:01:38 <mru> no surprise there
Nov 19 15:02:15 <mru> systemd is THE WAY, anyone who says otherwise is an infidel
Nov 19 15:05:55 <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
Nov 19 15:07:49 <KotH> av500: what does he write now?
Nov 19 15:08:02 <KotH> mru: "JIHAD!"?
Nov 19 15:08:52 <mru> KotH: I'm starting to understand how terrorists feel
Nov 19 15:09:06 <LetoThe2nd> granted, one can like his SW or not. but "forking" just to remove his copyright lines is kind of what the ministry of truth would do, IMHO.
Nov 19 15:09:16 <koen> these copyright headers look complex, let's remove them
Nov 19 15:09:27 <mru> koen: shut the fuck up!
Nov 19 15:09:39 <LetoThe2nd> fut the shuck up?
Nov 19 15:10:14 <KotH> up the fut shuck?
Nov 19 15:10:26 <mru> I don't know what someone did to some copyright headers or why, but that was _not_ the reason for forking
Nov 19 15:10:42 <KotH> mru: breath deeply and have some swiss chocolate
Nov 19 15:10:49 <mru> lennart is the new drepper
Nov 19 15:10:58 <KotH> mru: people in here know the perils of lennartware
Nov 19 15:11:09 <arcanescu> royking drepper
Nov 19 15:11:14 <LetoThe2nd> thut fe shup uck?
Nov 19 15:11:32 <mru> as should koen, yet he's eagerly chiming in to the ridiculing of the brave soldiers trying to restore some sanity
Nov 19 15:11:50 <av500> mru: https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/dARyF4UbXzf
Nov 19 15:12:16 <mdp> lol
Nov 19 15:12:18 <av500> mru: watch your language, there are children here
Nov 19 15:12:28 <mdp> "weird arty stuff"
Nov 19 15:12:40 <erwin123> Hello all... A really basic question, but I'm running in some trouble. I'm trying to view the printk messages in a beaglebone kernel module that I'm writing (on Angstrom v2012.05). Tried /proc/kmsg and changing log-level in /proc/sys/kernel/prink to no avail. Any clues?
Nov 19 15:13:08 <av500> maybe the code with your pritnk is not executed?
Nov 19 15:13:47 <mru> av500: did lennart&kay join the channel? I must have missed that
Nov 19 15:14:42 <av500> mru: yes, you cant see them since they blocked you :)
Nov 19 15:15:20 <arcanescu> very geeky this guy
Nov 19 15:15:25 <arcanescu> how do i frandshieep him ?
Nov 19 15:16:02 <KotH> arcanescu: du musst nur den nippel durch die lasche ziehen, und mit der kleinen kurbel ganz nach oben drehn....
Nov 19 15:16:07 <arcanescu> do i need to send him a command?
Nov 19 15:16:07 <erwin123> av500: that's what I thought... But i put a printk in a very simple sysfs handler (that *seems* to work out...)
Nov 19 15:16:23 <av500> erwin123: so what does not work out?
Nov 19 15:16:29 <arcanescu> KotH: jeeez man take it easy i jsut read that on a cigareete packet
Nov 19 15:17:02 <arcanescu> in norwegian that is
Nov 19 15:17:04 <KotH> arcanescu: smokeing is bad for your health
Nov 19 15:17:35 <arcanescu> KotH yea i got what it meant
Nov 19 15:17:55 <mdp> I'm afraid to walk near a cigarette stand in .eu, they scare me "YOU WILL DIE FROM LOOKING AT THIS"
Nov 19 15:18:25 <av500> mdp: no
Nov 19 15:18:26 <KotH> mdp: and it helps, we never had less people smokeing
Nov 19 15:18:28 <arcanescu> true that.... but then again nothing is good for your health these days
Nov 19 15:18:34 <av500> its: YOU WILL LOOK LIKE THIS AND THEN DIE
Nov 19 15:18:39 <KotH> mdp: though, more and more children are smokeing though
Nov 19 15:18:50 <arcanescu> "insert everything is artificial debate here"
Nov 19 15:18:55 <av500> smoking is good for the health care system
Nov 19 15:19:11 <av500> die early, cost less
Nov 19 15:19:13 <KotH> in .ch smokign is good for the pension system
Nov 19 15:19:19 <av500> yep
Nov 19 15:19:27 <mdp> KotH: I'm convinced the scary warnings have had zero impact in .fr after I was there regularly for customers visits...in a past life
Nov 19 15:19:30 <KotH> (yes, the taxes on cigarets pay the pension system)
Nov 19 15:19:33 <av500> so you can game the system by not doing it
Nov 19 15:19:52 <av500> you dont pay tax and dont die early
Nov 19 15:19:58 <av500> get that artifical hip at 90
Nov 19 15:20:00 <erwin123> av500: what may not work out is an init SPI command that I send thru this sysfs access (a write), which is supposed to start the system.
Nov 19 15:20:04 <mdp> av500, that's a loophole!
Nov 19 15:20:13 <av500> mdp: it should be mandatory
Nov 19 15:20:22 <arcanescu> well at 60 ud die in front of a computer and 90 ud die in front of a telly
Nov 19 15:20:23 <arcanescu> choos
Nov 19 15:20:27 <arcanescu> wisely
Nov 19 15:20:28 <mdp> av500, "there ought to be a law!" :P
Nov 19 15:20:29 <KotH> mdp: dont worry, that loophole will be filled... with gang shootings!
Nov 19 15:20:30 <av500> erwin123: you can always add more pritnk
Nov 19 15:21:42 <KotH> arcanescu: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4448
Nov 19 15:21:50 <erwin123> av500: That's what I've been doing... so since I see nothing, my hunch was that I did not know how to correctly access /proc/kmsg and such-like
Nov 19 15:22:16 <arcanescu> KotH: that wont happen
Nov 19 15:22:44 <KotH> arcanescu: you mean, you'll die in a gang shooting?
Nov 19 15:23:05 <arcanescu> i hope so, i need to get some of that bling first
Nov 19 15:23:18 <av500> where is alan_o when we need him
Nov 19 15:23:18 <mdp> it seems to be a pretty cool way to go
Nov 19 15:23:30 <arcanescu> mdp you mispelt cool
Nov 19 15:23:37 <arcanescu> its with a K and  0 0 <
Nov 19 15:23:40 <arcanescu> k00l
Nov 19 15:24:00 <mdp> only when I'm hacking ruby codez on rpi
Nov 19 15:24:26 <koen> you can only hack on rpi ruby if you aren't a white male
Nov 19 15:25:08 <ion> I’ve been meaning to implement Ruby output in <https://github.com/ion1/beagle_bone_pins>. Also JavaScript and Python.
Nov 19 15:27:51 <mdp> koen, *cough*
Nov 19 15:28:33 <yegorich> linux-omap seems still not to have CPSW DualMAC mode? Is there any timeline for this feature?
Nov 19 15:28:52 <mdp> koen, my personal assistant was reviewing the LF ELC-E crowd...noting the "diverse" and interesting crowd ;)
Nov 19 15:29:29 <mdp> er. s/ELC-E crowd/ELC-E flickr album/
Nov 19 15:29:44 <KotH> mdp: i wonder what she meant by that :)
Nov 19 15:29:51 <mdp> "There's a lot of neckbeards in your community..."
Nov 19 15:31:04 <av500> best community vt100 can buy
Nov 19 15:31:12 <mdp> she was noting where she could identify many females at the social functions as an SO to a male in the picture by their body language as they leaned toward them
Nov 19 15:31:25 <mdp> and most of the rest were event staff by badges
Nov 19 15:31:28 <mdp> good eye ;)
Nov 19 15:31:41 <mru> sounds accurate
Nov 19 15:31:45 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 15:32:01 <av500> mdp: leaned to wards or clinging to them in fear?
Nov 19 15:32:12 <mdp> av500, I think she's implying both
Nov 19 15:32:13 <mru> cowering behind
Nov 19 15:32:28 <av500> mru: ha, that should get me many then :)
Nov 19 15:32:48 <mdp> and a couple of my personal photos, "Why do you and tglx look so drunk?"
Nov 19 15:32:49 <av500> next shirt: "will protect you from neckbeards"
Nov 19 15:33:07 <mru> mdp: look?
Nov 19 15:33:19 <mdp> she met him back at elc-e Linz and decided he was the only normal person there
Nov 19 15:33:39 <koen> av500: http://www.rrrgggbbb.com/
Nov 19 15:33:46 <KotH> mdp: normal person???
Nov 19 15:34:06 <mdp> mru, exactly, I suggested that it was just a "look" and we clearly didn't have time for such social activities while on a working trip
Nov 19 15:34:33 <mru> mdp: sounds credible
Nov 19 15:34:35 <mdp> KotH: note that I'm not considered normal by her
Nov 19 15:35:06 <KotH> mdp: i've not seen a "normal" person at an OSS event yet
Nov 19 15:35:10 <av500> koen: flash :(
Nov 19 15:35:25 <yegorich> mdp: any idea regarding DualMAC mainlining?
Nov 19 15:35:29 <mdp> KotH: exactly...I have assured her that tglx is hardly normal either ;)
Nov 19 15:35:33 <av500> koen: does it work on your ihpone?
Nov 19 15:35:37 <koen> av500: I watched in in chrome and forgot about the builtin flash
Nov 19 15:35:45 <av500> ah, I have chrome
Nov 19 15:35:49 <KotH> mdp: maybe she should meet me ... i seem pretty normal... at first ;)
Nov 19 15:35:50 <Crofton|work> watched is a trong word
Nov 19 15:35:52 <mdp> yegorich: nope, might ask publicly
Nov 19 15:36:13 <koen> mdp: tglx is fun, he even uses his daughters drawings in presentations
Nov 19 15:36:25 <mdp> koen, yes
Nov 19 15:37:58 <mdp> koen, the biggest laugh was from the mranostay/linus photo
Nov 19 15:38:13 <panto> mdp, lol, yes
Nov 19 15:38:26 <koen> mdp: yeah, same shirts and all
Nov 19 15:38:30 <mdp> especially since she knows mranostay fairly well since we worked locally together
Nov 19 15:38:33 <av500> mdp: did she ask "how's the dude next to matt?"
Nov 19 15:38:39 <av500> who's
Nov 19 15:38:39 <mdp> ...and knows who linus is
Nov 19 15:38:49 <koen> mdp: the av500 + linus picture is funny as well
Nov 19 15:39:09 <koen> av500: that was what my fiancee asked, since she knows matt, but not linus
Nov 19 15:39:09 <mdp> ugh, I might have gotten distracted while she was flipping through and missed that
Nov 19 15:39:10 <av500> I should post my pic with Linus too
Nov 19 15:39:19 <koen> mdp: it's not in that album
Nov 19 15:39:23 <mdp> ok
Nov 19 15:39:26 <av500> sec
Nov 19 15:39:30 <mdp> that's why then, I didn't recall it
Nov 19 15:39:59 <mdp> she was very concerned about the percentage of males at the conference and the odd "positions" they were in during the closing session
Nov 19 15:40:12 <mdp> "Not that there's anything wrong with that..."
Nov 19 15:40:47 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 15:41:23 <mdp> I tried to explain that tbird in company often have quite strange games at the end...
Nov 19 15:41:30 <mdp> s/in/and/
Nov 19 15:41:33 <mdp> but...
Nov 19 15:42:00 <KotH> friend of mine called it "lupin style yaoi" :)
Nov 19 15:44:24 <av500> mdp: there, public
Nov 19 15:44:27 <mdp> did anybody else notice that they aren't directly overlapping ELC-E with linuxcon-E in Edinburgh? interesting, only 1 day shared between them
Nov 19 15:44:47 <av500> mdp: its enough to photobomb linus
Nov 19 15:44:51 <mdp> av500, "some guy" ;)
Nov 19 15:44:52 <KotH> av500: url?
Nov 19 15:45:04 <av500> KotH: get on g+ or get out
Nov 19 15:45:10 <mdp> gtfo
Nov 19 15:45:12 <av500> its where all the famous IRC people hang out
Nov 19 15:45:13 * KotH cries
Nov 19 15:45:23 <KotH> that's the problem, i'm not famous
Nov 19 15:45:30 <av500> https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/Zvgh3yw38CF
Nov 19 15:45:41 <av500> hmm, 4:44 pm, thats lucky right?
Nov 19 15:46:30 <KotH> av500: not if your are chinese or japanese
Nov 19 15:46:35 <W1N9Zr0> not in some asian cultures it isn't
Nov 19 15:46:41 <av500> :)
Nov 19 15:46:43 <mdp> KotH, it takes just one pan of the camera by jkridner's video entourage and you'll be famous
Nov 19 15:47:09 <mdp> I try to stand close to famous and smart people in hopes that I'll be on TV too
Nov 19 15:47:58 <mdp> I think that may have been the event that propelled mranostay into that photo-op with Linus
Nov 19 15:48:40 <mdp> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/wireless-power-solution/blog/2012/11/03/its-alive-part-012
Nov 19 15:48:54 <mdp> love the "underpants" association for this design
Nov 19 15:49:27 <KotH> mdp: that doesnt work if the guy you are standing close to is av500
Nov 19 15:49:50 <mdp> alright, don't pick just anybody
Nov 19 15:50:11 <mdp> plus av500 is an irc rockstar that outshines all
Nov 19 15:50:24 * av500 blushes
Nov 19 15:50:26 <mdp> node.js-like
Nov 19 15:50:31 * KotH will try to stand next to mru next time
Nov 19 15:50:35 * av500 goes to trash his hotel room
Nov 19 15:51:38 <mdp> KotH: yes, mru will be fine...if you could sneak in behind him for that Linaro interview session..that would have been an op
Nov 19 15:51:51 <mdp> waving to the camera
Nov 19 15:52:35 <KotH> mdp: would have done that, if mru wouldnt live nearly 2 flight hours away
Nov 19 15:53:01 <mdp> you need people to spy on his schedule and start shadowing him
Nov 19 15:53:03 <KotH> mdp: you know, living in europe doesnt mean we all live in paris...
Nov 19 15:53:11 <mdp> ;)
Nov 19 15:53:36 <mdp> KotH, it's unlike .us where we all live in SF and NYC?
Nov 19 15:53:39 <mdp> unpossible
Nov 19 15:53:52 <KotH> mdp: i dont have to spy his schedule, he usually shares it quite openly... and i know his girls :)
Nov 19 15:54:00 <mdp> heh
Nov 19 15:54:17 <mdp> there's got to be a sekrit schedule too
Nov 19 15:54:52 <KotH> that's when the girls come into play ;)
Nov 19 15:55:05 <mdp> hehe
Nov 19 15:55:25 * mdp finally empties the elc-e swag bag
Nov 19 15:55:40 <mdp> samsung sw r&d center
Nov 19 15:56:01 * mdp sees "Cloud" and immediately burns the flyer
Nov 19 15:56:51 * KotH left that stuff in barcelona
Nov 19 15:57:10 <mdp> I'll have to say, the speaker jersey shirt was done nicely
Nov 19 15:57:17 <mdp> I will not use it to change my oil
Nov 19 15:57:44 <koen> which one was the speaker one?
Nov 19 15:57:47 <mdp> tgim, alan_o
Nov 19 15:57:49 <koen> the red or the blue one?
Nov 19 15:57:56 <mdp> koen, the futbal jersey style
Nov 19 15:57:58 <mdp> blue
Nov 19 15:58:10 <koen> ah, I donated that to the brother-in-law
Nov 19 15:58:17 <alan_o> mdp: hehe
Nov 19 15:58:33 <mdp> koen, my son said it would be a unique practice jersey for him
Nov 19 15:59:08 * koen checks http://www.signal11.us/oss/elce2012/
Nov 19 15:59:10 <alan_o> mdp: feels good.... gonna get some work done today. Spent all yesterday afternoon doing yard work. Looks good though.
Nov 19 15:59:53 <mdp> alan_o, I went backpacking over the weekend...very sorry to be here today ;)
Nov 19 16:00:27 <alan_o> mdp: didn't even think about actually playing soccer in it. I bet that's way cool to the kids on his team...
Nov 19 16:00:55 <mdp> alan_o, yeah, it's "different"
Nov 19 16:01:03 <panto> hi alan_o
Nov 19 16:01:08 <alan_o> mdp: backpack camping?
Nov 19 16:01:14 <alan_o> panto: yo!
Nov 19 16:01:50 <mdp> alan_o, with a bunch of first-timers...they loved it
Nov 19 16:02:26 <mdp> alan_o, I felt a little bad that the trail was blocked in about 20-25 places by large fallen trees from the hurricane aftermath winds
Nov 19 16:03:00 <alan_o> mdp: nice! we went last year with a bunch of guys I was in scouts with when we were kids. Also brought some first timers too. I think 9 total, in the Smoky Mountain National Park. It was way fun. The first timers loved it too.
Nov 19 16:03:04 <KotH> mdp: be glad you still had a forest
Nov 19 16:03:29 <KotH> mdp: last time we had a storm, some smaller forests in .ch were history
Nov 19 16:04:03 <mdp> KotH: yeah, this inland, western PA rural area..but none of us considered that when helping plan a route that would give them some success
Nov 19 16:04:19 <mdp> doesn't really matter, everything's like that in those remote area trails
Nov 19 16:04:36 <av500> KotH: but you have all these underground forests in the mountains
Nov 19 16:04:37 <mdp> alan_o, cool, great to see first-timers catch the bug
Nov 19 16:04:56 <alan_o> mdp: fallen trees is part of it. The newbs just got to learn that one early :)
Nov 19 16:05:05 <KotH> av500: pssst! that's a state secret!
Nov 19 16:05:55 <mdp> alan_o, it was _a lot_...I was even surprised...those short guys with a full pack are awfully awkward trying to maneuver through the downed trees...good to see the team effort though
Nov 19 16:06:12 <alan_o> yeah
Nov 19 16:06:15 <alan_o> How many miles total?
Nov 19 16:07:22 <mdp> just 8 miles with packs...then 2-3 side hike the next morning
Nov 19 16:07:47 <mdp> we helped them select the least elevation change section so we don't scare anybody off
Nov 19 16:07:53 <shoragan> koen, i just tried your beaglebone 3.7 patches with a LCD7 cape. There should there be a /dev/fb0, right?
Nov 19 16:08:02 <koen> yes
Nov 19 16:08:06 <shoragan> hmm
Nov 19 16:08:15 <koen> shoragan: check sysfs to see if it was recognized
Nov 19 16:08:18 <mdp> alan_o, going up and down ravines for 10 miles is generally not a good first-timer experience IMHO ;)
Nov 19 16:08:50 <alan_o> mdp: ok, that's not a bad trip.  My one last year we did 9 mi the first day, and 15 total over 3 days, so we got to have lots of down time the second day to enjoy it.
Nov 19 16:08:56 <shoragan> ~ cat /sys/bus/capebus/devices/bone-0\:0/ee-fields/board-name
Nov 19 16:08:56 <shoragan> BeagleBone LCD7 CAPE
Nov 19 16:09:17 <shoragan> so far so good :)
Nov 19 16:09:19 <koen> anything in /sys/bus/capebus/devices/bone-0\:0/ besides the ee-fields?
Nov 19 16:09:31 <koen> if not, it didn't recognize it and only parsed the eeprom
Nov 19 16:09:32 <shoragan> root@DistroKit:~ cat /sys/bus/capebus/devices/bone-0\:0/
Nov 19 16:09:33 <shoragan> ee-fields/  id          power/      subsystem/  uevent
Nov 19 16:09:38 <shoragan> ok
Nov 19 16:09:44 <av500> mdp: did you hang little stick figures in the trees?
Nov 19 16:10:14 <av500> and bring a shaky camcorder?
Nov 19 16:10:20 * koen checks DT
Nov 19 16:10:31 <koen> shoragan: there is only support for the A0 version in the DT
Nov 19 16:10:34 <alan_o> mdp: yeah, our first day was all downhill (which is as hard as uphill, we found). and we didn't get started till 1pm, after shuffling cars. Got to campsite right at dark, force fed some dinner and went to sleep. That was a pretty hard day. Other people who are more hardcore scoff at <10 mi a day, but whatever. Just because it can be done doesnt' mean I want to do it.
Nov 19 16:10:37 <mdp> alan_o, enough, off-topic stuff...will drop you some photos when I arrange them. we always go to these sites for the november trip up north here...warm warm fire is nice at night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Laurel_Ridge_Shelter.jpg
Nov 19 16:10:48 <koen> shoragan: should be easy enough to add A1 and A2
Nov 19 16:11:13 <koen> and A3 + A4 support
Nov 19 16:11:16 <alan_o> mdp: ok cool!
Nov 19 16:11:21 <KotH> mdp: you call that a shelter? thats a luxury forest cabin!
Nov 19 16:11:39 <shoragan> root@DistroKit:~ cat /sys/bus/capebus/devices/bone-0\:0/ee-fields/version
Nov 19 16:11:39 <shoragan> 00A2
Nov 19 16:11:48 <shoragan> is there docs on how they differ?
Nov 19 16:12:26 <mdp> KotH: they are nice...it was below freezing saturday night...snow on the ground there...we stoked the fires up and played cards until late late late..good times.
Nov 19 16:12:34 <koen> shoragan: schematics and v3.2 code
Nov 19 16:12:42 <shoragan> ok
Nov 19 16:12:47 <koen> shoragan: it most is about moving gpios around
Nov 19 16:13:07 <shoragan> so they would get seperate capebus entries?
Nov 19 16:13:18 <koen> seperate version entries
Nov 19 16:13:26 <koen>        version@00A0 {
Nov 19 16:13:26 <koen>                 version = "00A0";
Nov 19 16:13:41 <koen> I need to ask panto how to solve the move of the AVDD_EN pin
Nov 19 16:13:49 <panto> koen,
Nov 19 16:13:51 <koen> the rest is just copy/paste/fix for gpio-keys and gpio-leds
Nov 19 16:13:53 <panto> koen, ?
Nov 19 16:14:03 <panto> hi jkridner
Nov 19 16:14:13 <koen> panto: lcd7 cape version a2 moves the avdd enable pin for the lcd
Nov 19 16:14:20 <panto> ah
Nov 19 16:14:24 <koen> panto: it looks like that one is in the .c file, not in the DT
Nov 19 16:14:51 <panto> koen, let me check
Nov 19 16:15:38 <shoragan> koen, but otherwise it works fine, even usb host
Nov 19 16:15:39 <av500> would autodetect a gpio help here?
Nov 19 16:16:16 <panto> koen, is that similar to the powerdn pin the DVI cape has?
Nov 19 16:16:24 <koen> panto: it's exactly like that
Nov 19 16:16:38 <mdp> alan_o, excellent _exact steps_ +1
Nov 19 16:16:46 <panto> well, you can just move the lcd7 node inside the version nodes
Nov 19 16:16:53 <panto> and add the powerdn gpio just like the dvi cape
Nov 19 16:17:20 <panto> look how the DVI cape does it
Nov 19 16:18:33 <alan_o> mdp: hehe... hopefully enough caveats about how hacky the patches are :)
Nov 19 16:19:15 <koen> panto: thanks!
Nov 19 16:19:29 <mru> KotH: of course you know "my girls", all none of them
Nov 19 16:19:39 <mdp> I would say, "you get more than what you pay for" ;)
Nov 19 16:20:48 <prpplague> mranostay: CFP is now open for ELC-2013, please make sure you submit your presentation
Nov 19 16:21:13 <shoragan> koen, panto: is AVDD_EN the same polarity as powerdn-gpio for dvi?
Nov 19 16:21:19 <panto> prpplague, I think I'm going to submit something too
Nov 19 16:21:25 <panto> probably unrelated to the bone though
Nov 19 16:21:30 <koen> shoragan: not sure, you'd have to check the code
Nov 19 16:21:32 <panto> shoragan, no idea :)
Nov 19 16:21:44 <koen> shoragan: I'll be afk for 90 minutes or so
Nov 19 16:21:45 <panto> I'll get around to fix it
Nov 19 16:22:22 <shoragan> ok, thanks :)
Nov 19 16:23:04 <mdp> panto, rpi?
Nov 19 16:23:23 <alan_o> mdp: hah!
Nov 19 16:23:30 <panto> mdp, :)
Nov 19 16:24:00 <alan_o> "Bitbanging from userspace with mmap() on the Raspberry Pi"
Nov 19 16:24:19 <mdp> panto, "RPI: The Perfect Answer to Any Question"
Nov 19 16:24:25 <alan_o> "Raspberry Pi. The perfect telemetry platform?"
Nov 19 16:24:27 <panto> "bitbanging like a rock-star"
Nov 19 16:24:55 <alan_o> "Raspberry Pi: Badass rockstar tech?"
Nov 19 16:25:18 <mdp> "WiringPi kicks sand in Energia's Face"
Nov 19 16:25:41 <av500> and its only monday....
Nov 19 16:25:56 <mdp> TGIM!
Nov 19 16:26:07 <alan_o> av500: well, Friday was quite tame here.. Have ground to make up!
Nov 19 16:33:44 <prpplague> panto: dandy
Nov 19 16:33:55 <prpplague> panto: let me know if you need a pre-submission review
Nov 19 16:34:08 <panto> prpplague, I will make sure
Nov 19 16:35:03 * prpplague updates his CV and linkedin.com pages
Nov 19 16:35:11 <av500> oh
Nov 19 16:41:45 <av500> http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/505375a769bedda419000017-960/wintel-monopoly.jpg
Nov 19 16:46:10 <ant_work> av500: the definition of personal computing platforms has changed in the years...
Nov 19 16:47:38 <av500> somebody added smartphones it seems
Nov 19 16:48:32 <alan_o> av500: is that like an iPhone?
Nov 19 16:49:16 <av500> alan_o: a phone with pinternet access
Nov 19 16:50:28 <alan_o> av500: oh, so you mean an iPhone
Nov 19 16:50:57 <av500> the "i" is for instagram, no?
Nov 19 16:51:20 <alan_o> I think so. pinternet means pinterest right?
Nov 19 16:51:47 <ant_work> it's easy to predict in a few years with mainstream cloud servers the tablets and smartphones will be the majority of PCP
Nov 19 16:52:08 <alan_o> I don't get instagram at all. Now that we have 12MP cameras on phones that take great pictures, we have to now have an app to make our pictures look crappy and old.
Nov 19 16:52:17 <av500> yes
Nov 19 16:52:30 <av500> because a blurry underexposed 12MP looks just blurry and underexposed
Nov 19 16:52:50 <mdp> alan_o, #retroallthethings
Nov 19 16:52:55 <jacekowski> alan_o: phones don't take great pictures
Nov 19 16:52:57 <av500> to get 12MP, they do not add pixels, they slice up the existing ones
Nov 19 16:53:00 <alan_o> right.. add "old" effect to it, and now it's "art"
Nov 19 16:53:27 <SilicaGel> I wonder if I can drill these .140" holes to .210" without destroying the boards.
Nov 19 16:53:58 <mdp> alan_o, taking Polaroids now is the ultimate art form.
Nov 19 16:54:12 <alan_o> my phone has a crappy camera. I don't know anything about phone cameras really.
Nov 19 16:54:18 <alan_o> I do know that my wife's phone takes better pictures than my digital camera from 2003 that I'm still using.
Nov 19 16:54:32 <alan_o> mdp: and looking at them on your C64?
Nov 19 16:54:40 <mdp> alan_o, you need to quit living in the past, man!
Nov 19 16:54:46 <jacekowski> alan_o: do you know what polaroid is
Nov 19 16:54:58 * alan_o shakes his polaroid to make it expose faster.
Nov 19 16:55:09 <mdp> alan_o, I had a kid exclaim last night how awesome a Polaroid camera was while watching an 80s movie..hehe
Nov 19 16:55:19 <ant_work> unexplicably somehow today's phones can sometimes take very good pictures
Nov 19 16:55:27 <jacekowski> well polaroid makes digital polaroid cameras
Nov 19 16:55:39 <jacekowski> ant_work: in good light
Nov 19 16:55:47 <ant_work> :)
Nov 19 16:55:49 <SilicaGel> digital cameras steal your soul!
Nov 19 16:55:52 <mdp> well, jacekowski, you know what I mean ;)
Nov 19 16:55:55 <jacekowski> ant_work: as soon as you have less than ideal light, shit happens
Nov 19 16:56:11 <jacekowski> mdp: i mean it
Nov 19 16:56:21 <jacekowski> mdp: camera with printer built in
Nov 19 16:56:39 <jacekowski> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/27/Poloroid-creates-Z2300-instant-digital-camera
Nov 19 16:56:42 <alan_o> jacekowski: yes, many people I knew had polaroids. It wasn't that long ago really. I always thought they were stupid. You get one picture that's too small that you have to carry around with you in fragile exposed form.
Nov 19 16:56:44 <mdp> yeah, but you don't have to shake it when it comes out...ruins the whole deal
Nov 19 16:57:08 <ant_work> I have vague remembering about optical but for sure there is a reason for the 35mm/Reflex
Nov 19 16:58:02 <alan_o> ant_work: optical? That's old school. All you need is MP
Nov 19 16:58:29 <alan_o> optics are for has-beens. digital zoom is where it's at.
Nov 19 16:58:49 <jacekowski> alan_o: you need lens that has enough resolving power to use those megapixels
Nov 19 16:58:55 <ant_work> heh, oh..sorry..I thought that you need a distance between two lenses to have some range ;)
Nov 19 16:59:09 <alan_o> (I'm trolling) :)
Nov 19 16:59:10 <av500> for range finders, yes :)
Nov 19 17:00:05 <alan_o> I'd actually like to get a nice digital camera, but can't ever find anyone in a store who knows anything.
Nov 19 17:00:10 * mdp sees many facts here and becomes confused.
Nov 19 17:00:18 <alan_o> mdp: factcheck?
Nov 19 17:00:21 <av500> alan_o: nice and shiny?
Nov 19 17:00:28 <av500> go for a silver one with gold trim
Nov 19 17:00:35 <alan_o> with gofast stripes?
Nov 19 17:00:50 <jacekowski> typical lens in a phone has maybe 1/4th resolving power of the sensor
Nov 19 17:00:57 <alan_o> That's the problem... I ask people, "where's the depth of field preview?" and they look at me blank.
Nov 19 17:01:07 <jacekowski> as in, you could have 4x megapixels less and photo would still come out the same
Nov 19 17:01:08 <av500> alan_o: get a DSLR
Nov 19 17:01:13 <av500> alan_o: they have that
Nov 19 17:01:29 <jacekowski> not all of them
Nov 19 17:01:33 <alan_o> av500: not that I've been able to find, at least not the ones in best buy.
Nov 19 17:01:35 <av500> ask them where you connect your flahs cubes :)
Nov 19 17:01:49 <jacekowski> flash cubes are obsolete
Nov 19 17:01:55 <av500> hitlin37: hows uni?
Nov 19 17:01:56 <alan_o> av500: yeah, the looks I get, I might as well have asked that question.
Nov 19 17:01:59 <mdp> av500, I learned that if I were to have a nice camera...there's nowhere to hang it safely while having a beer in Barcelona
Nov 19 17:02:01 <jacekowski> that would be cool
Nov 19 17:02:02 <mdp> true story
Nov 19 17:02:08 <jacekowski> have flash cube adapter for SLR
Nov 19 17:02:13 <jacekowski> from standard SLR
Nov 19 17:02:18 <jkridner> hi panto
Nov 19 17:02:35 <av500> rockstar in the house!
Nov 19 17:03:09 <alan_o> av500: actually, now that I think about it, one guy in a photo store did tell me that depth of field preview was a function of the lens. I guess that's the problem, they don't want to sell the old school lenses anymore
Nov 19 17:03:16 * mdp stands near jkridner.
Nov 19 17:03:16 <jkridner> I wonder if I could make BeagleBot play theme music like for Peter Griffin
Nov 19 17:03:43 <av500> alan_o: lol
Nov 19 17:03:49 <alan_o> jkridner: "I wish I didn't have any bones!"
Nov 19 17:04:32 <hitlin37> av500:you didn't told me that here they give hell lot of assignments.
Nov 19 17:04:47 <alan_o> av500: was that with me or at me?
Nov 19 17:04:53 <hitlin37> so that students keep working all the time.
Nov 19 17:05:19 <av500> hitlin37: thats the plan :)
Nov 19 17:05:30 <av500> cant have you goof around all day, can we?
Nov 19 17:06:07 <alan_o> av500: hehe..
Nov 19 17:07:25 <KotH> mru: yeah.. they dont call me as often as they used to
Nov 19 17:08:38 <hitlin37> :)
Nov 19 17:09:26 * mranostay pokes in
Nov 19 17:09:38 <mranostay> Monday's suck
Nov 19 17:09:51 <alan_o> mranostay!!
Nov 19 17:09:56 <mru> _all_ days suck
Nov 19 17:10:42 <av500> soviet russia sucks all day
Nov 19 17:11:20 * av500 enters a new column in the time keeping spreadsheet: "day ruined by mdp"
Nov 19 17:11:33 <mdp> "Mission Accomplished"
Nov 19 17:11:41 <av500> daily repeating event [ ]
Nov 19 17:11:45 <av500> should I check that?
Nov 19 17:12:09 <alan_o> ticket closed?
Nov 19 17:12:38 <KotH> av500: interesting graph.. now do you have the same with absolute numbers?
Nov 19 17:13:08 * KotH would find it intersting to know whether android is taking more share from wintel, or is opening up a new field
Nov 19 17:13:47 <ant_work> KotH: the whole stat is flawed without knowing the base they took
Nov 19 17:14:02 <KotH> ant_work: who cares?
Nov 19 17:14:11 <KotH> ant_work: i'm used to much worse
Nov 19 17:14:13 <KotH> much much worse
Nov 19 17:14:18 <mru> ant_work: isn't that the whole point of statistics, especially as graphs
Nov 19 17:14:25 <ant_work> I'm still using histograms here...
Nov 19 17:14:38 <alan_o> ant_work: don't rain on our parade with your statistical mumbo jumbo
Nov 19 17:15:03 <alan_o> ant_work: Windows bad, Android good. Fall in line!
Nov 19 17:15:13 <ant_work> ;) the point is obviously A$$ple seems a bit unrepresented
Nov 19 17:15:47 <alan_o> I don't know what graph you're even looking at. :)
Nov 19 17:16:22 <KotH> mru: one for you: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-helvetica-is-the-only-typeface-advertisers-will-use-in-the-future-2012-11
Nov 19 17:16:27 <mdp> av500, I'm tracking your productivity figures on the big board now, and it's definitely showing a disturbing trend around 0800 GMT-0500 time.
Nov 19 17:16:41 <alan_o> noise-to-signal ratio from me has been high today. I think it's time for more coffee...
Nov 19 17:16:48 <mdp> av500, I'm documenting an individual action plan to help you improve your work ethic and become a team player
Nov 19 17:17:08 <av500> KotH: not Arial?
Nov 19 17:17:20 <av500> ant_work: why is apple unrepresented?
Nov 19 17:17:26 <KotH> av500: the average marekdroid doesnt know the difference
Nov 19 17:17:45 <ant_work> not only that. I mean, if we count phones and tablets here it looks like those together are only 50% at the end of 2011
Nov 19 17:17:55 <ant_work> i remember to have seen other figures
Nov 19 17:18:00 <av500> smartphones
Nov 19 17:18:02 <av500> not phones
Nov 19 17:18:17 <ant_work> sure
Nov 19 17:18:18 <av500> and we still have more PCs than smartphones I guess
Nov 19 17:18:21 * KotH wonders what the market share of pots phones is
Nov 19 17:18:23 <ant_work> hm...
Nov 19 17:18:33 <av500> PC had a long time to get an installed base
Nov 19 17:19:36 <av500> KotH: read asymco then
Nov 19 17:20:10 <ant_work> http://www.kitguru.net/mobile/simon/smartphone-sales-surpass-pc-in-2011/
Nov 19 17:20:31 <av500> sales. not installed base
Nov 19 17:20:52 <ant_work> yes, most of the base is now in trash
Nov 19 17:21:07 <KotH> yeah.. people buy a new pc ever once in a while... people change their iphone more often than their underwear
Nov 19 17:21:33 <av500> KotH: no, they would if apple would output one per month
Nov 19 17:21:46 <av500> bath, underwear, now phone
Nov 19 17:22:10 <ant_work> note that in that stat tablet have been counted as PC
Nov 19 17:22:12 * mru always washes hands after (accidentally of course) touching iphone
Nov 19 17:22:14 <jkridner> mranostay: your video seems empty
Nov 19 17:22:34 <av500> ant_work: ?? tablets are either apple or android
Nov 19 17:22:51 <av500> and 37 windows tablets
Nov 19 17:22:51 <ant_work> it's not my stat :)
Nov 19 17:23:19 <ant_work> it's a 'Google first result Stat'
Nov 19 17:23:21 <av500> KotH: http://www.asymco.com/2012/05/03/the-phone-market-in-2012-a-tale-of-two-disruptions/
Nov 19 17:23:57 <av500> feature phones are still 250mio/quarter
Nov 19 17:24:42 <jkridner> mranostay: ah, it was an issue with my website code. I fixed it. I was expecting video URLs in the format of http://youtu.be/UmDwJCW0uzo
Nov 19 17:25:46 <av500> http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-Shot-2012-11-14-at-11-14-3.19.46-PM.png
Nov 19 17:27:13 <KotH> av500: lots of marketing mambojambo... very few hard numbers
Nov 19 17:27:21 <KotH> av500: and definitly no citation of the sources
Nov 19 17:29:11 <av500> KotH: asymco is usually pretty accurate
Nov 19 17:29:44 <KotH> av500: i stopped trusting any source of statistical data since i started with psychology
Nov 19 17:29:51 <av500> sure
Nov 19 17:30:32 <mru> I never trusted any source of anything
Nov 19 17:30:38 <mru> it's kept me alive so far
Nov 19 17:30:55 <KotH> so.. where do you get your food or water from?
Nov 19 17:31:30 <mru> I guess I just have eat and drink without trusting
Nov 19 17:32:36 <mdp> I only trust #beagle
Nov 19 17:33:21 <KotH> in chocolate we trust!
Nov 19 17:33:48 <mdp> oh, I'm sorry, I trust chocolate and beer too..I forgot that
Nov 19 17:33:50 <mdp> geez
Nov 19 17:33:59 <mru> oh, beer is usually safe
Nov 19 17:34:06 <mru> alcohol makes sure of that
Nov 19 17:34:25 <KotH> unless there is some polonium in it...
Nov 19 17:34:52 <mru> I don't think the russians are after me
Nov 19 17:35:00 <KotH> i wouldnt be so sure
Nov 19 17:35:08 <KotH> i mean, we left a few of those in wiesbaden
Nov 19 17:35:27 <mru> it's funny how after that guy was murdered in london, _every_ spy show had to do a polonium episode
Nov 19 17:36:21 <KotH> you know that they've send a swiss radiological team to palestine, to check whether arafat was murered with polonium?
Nov 19 17:36:28 <KotH> murdered*
Nov 19 17:37:08 <mru> I thought he died of narcissism
Nov 19 17:37:34 <KotH> i'm pretty sure the israelis had something to do with his death... but polonium??
Nov 19 17:37:57 <av500> they got the idea from a tv spy show episode
Nov 19 17:38:05 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 17:42:12 <fredb> Guys, does anyone know if the BeagleBone can run Debian Lenny?
Nov 19 17:42:35 <dm8tbr> that's a bit ancient, isn't it?
Nov 19 17:42:52 <KotH> fredb: why shoudldnt it run such an outdated debian?
Nov 19 17:43:13 <dm8tbr> and yes it should. it's bring-your-own-hw-adaptation ofc
Nov 19 17:43:44 <KotH> well.. a recent kernel should do most of the work
Nov 19 17:43:49 <KotH> the rest is just userland
Nov 19 17:45:07 <dm8tbr> yup
Nov 19 17:45:52 <Crofton|work> do we have a photo of the exact steps sign anywhere
Nov 19 17:46:15 <mdp> I can post the photo of the "Exact Change" place in BCN
Nov 19 17:47:46 <dm8tbr> Crofton|work: there are a couple of them on g+
Nov 19 17:49:30 <Ahmed_> Hi All
Nov 19 17:50:58 <KotH> Ahmed_: are you dead and/or a terrorist?
Nov 19 17:51:05 <KotH> ;-)
Nov 19 17:52:08 <joel_> jkridner, koen, I got HDMI on mainline working. :) \o/
Nov 19 17:54:01 <alan_o> joelagnel: woot!
Nov 19 17:55:54 <fredb> Also guys if I was to run Lenny (we have a lot of existing software already running on Lenny), which kernel should I use?
Nov 19 17:57:00 <dm8tbr> fredb: koen's kernel
Nov 19 17:57:25 <fredb> Koen's kernel, do you have a url please?
Nov 19 17:57:33 <KotH> fredb: is there any reason why you run lenny?
Nov 19 17:57:34 <av500> www.koen.com
Nov 19 17:58:37 <fredb> We have existing hardware that runs Lenny, and QA would prob. want to re-test everything if we moved to a newer distribution, which we will do, just not in the immediate future
Nov 19 17:59:10 <av500> fredb: on arm9?
Nov 19 17:59:16 <av500> your existing stuff?
Nov 19 17:59:34 <KotH> av500: must be a couple of decades of software engineering in it
Nov 19 18:00:04 <fredb> We have a custom platform that has some type of ARM (still have to find out the exact chip) and also older x86 systems
Nov 19 18:01:04 <KotH> av500: which reminds me, there is a system we sell for high security networks, which is based on lenny as well
Nov 19 18:01:26 <KotH> av500: we told the customer a few times that it would be a good idea to upgrade the system to something newer... but he doesnt want to
Nov 19 18:01:42 <mdp> joelagnel: cool, does that mean the dvi+audio cape works too?
Nov 19 18:02:03 <dm8tbr> KotH: I just got successfully rid of a whole lenny server backend. it now runs squeeze. only took half a year. ;)
Nov 19 18:02:16 <av500> KotH: why would he want to?
Nov 19 18:02:47 <fredb> Is that koen.com link working for you guys, I can't get through
Nov 19 18:02:52 <av500> it was a joke
Nov 19 18:02:56 <av500> sorry
Nov 19 18:03:05 <av500> its almost friday here
Nov 19 18:03:10 <koen> fredb: github.com/beagleboard/kernel
Nov 19 18:04:32 <KotH> av500: well.. the system is used to secure networks...
Nov 19 18:04:45 <KotH> av500: if it can be hacked, the system isnt as secure as it is supposed to, is it?
Nov 19 18:05:14 <KotH> av500: but i guess it would cost them too much money
Nov 19 18:06:01 <mdp> TGIF
Nov 19 18:06:57 <av500> KotH: if it has exposed ethernet connectors, it can be hacked :)
Nov 19 18:07:32 <fredb> Guys RE the kernels at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel, there are lots of choices.  We currently run 2.6.32 on our Lenny machines.  Can Debian Lenny work with the more modern kernels listed?
Nov 19 18:08:45 <joelagnel> mdp, haven't tried  dvi+audio cape but it should work yeah.
Nov 19 18:09:12 <joelagnel> alan_o, :D
Nov 19 18:09:43 <av500> fredb: isnt that a question for #debian ?
Nov 19 18:09:51 <av500> also, you could try
Nov 19 18:10:42 * KotH doesnt see why it shouldnt work
Nov 19 18:10:48 <KotH> though, i have never tried
Nov 19 18:10:49 <alan_o> av500: That's why I potted my ethernet connectors up with epoxy. I only use wireless now.
Nov 19 18:10:51 <KotH> not such an old debian
Nov 19 18:11:42 <KotH> alan_o: dont talk about potting! ^^'
Nov 19 18:11:53 <joelagnel> mdp, thanks. you would have to set CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS to 'n' in .config for the clocks
Nov 19 18:12:13 <wmat> mranostay: nice Geiger cape!
Nov 19 18:12:21 <fredb> OK thanks for the info guys, I'll check on the Debian channel to see what they have to say.
Nov 19 18:15:07 <mranostay> Crofton|work: why is the troll picture on my feed again? did you run it through a filter? :)
Nov 19 18:15:38 <koen> mayhbe there's a hidden spock
Nov 19 18:15:50 <Crofton|work> I needed a public link
Nov 19 18:15:57 <Crofton|work> and Google is a pain
Nov 19 18:17:35 <mranostay> ah right
Nov 19 18:17:51 <mranostay> why can't you change permissions to a post after the fact?
Nov 19 18:18:49 <av500> mranostay: url?
Nov 19 18:20:09 <av500> ah
Nov 19 18:21:06 <av500> ha: https://plus.google.com/110579591067038943673/posts/EnZT54tHgsi
Nov 19 18:23:00 <woglinde> yo
Nov 19 18:23:38 <KotH> n'abend
Nov 19 18:25:24 <woglinde> koth english please
Nov 19 18:25:35 <KotH> n'evening
Nov 19 18:25:38 <woglinde> chat discipline
Nov 19 18:25:40 <woglinde> ;)
Nov 19 18:25:58 * KotH is undisciplined
Nov 19 18:26:35 <woglinde> ah nice picture of ettus in heise.de article about the 4g failure
Nov 19 18:27:53 <Crofton|work> oh jesus
Nov 19 18:27:59 <Crofton|work> url
Nov 19 18:28:11 <woglinde> he crofton ,)
Nov 19 18:28:25 <Crofton|work> this is way over hyped
Nov 19 18:28:31 <woglinde> unfornatly no english article for it
Nov 19 18:28:33 <woglinde> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/4G-Datenfunk-LTE-mit-Achillesferse-1752716.html
Nov 19 18:28:37 <mru> Crofton|work: welcome to the internet
Nov 19 18:28:55 <woglinde> crofton sure its the way lte is designed
Nov 19 18:28:56 <mru> remember to wash hands after use
Nov 19 18:29:06 <woglinde> I think microwave with open door would do the same
Nov 19 18:36:27 <KotH> actualy enough open microwave doors could bring down the internet
Nov 19 18:37:01 <mdp> joelagnel: mmmm...magic .configs
Nov 19 18:39:06 <Crofton|work> woglinde, the cellular network is at more risk from inept operators
Nov 19 18:41:29 * mdp kills civilian possession of SDR assault h/w with a carefully crafted snail mail letter to his congresscritter.
Nov 19 18:42:17 <mru> Crofton|work: don't forget inept users
Nov 19 18:42:27 <CareBear\> mdp : better take that up with mossmann
Nov 19 18:43:04 <mru> sooner or later users destroy everything
Nov 19 18:43:59 <mdp> I can probably get all sffsdr members on the no-fly list too
Nov 19 18:44:08 <mdp> CareBear\: heh
Nov 19 18:44:31 <KotH> oh, that's easy
Nov 19 18:44:44 <KotH> just tell TSA they have connections to me
Nov 19 18:58:11 <Ahmed_> hi KotH  :D
Nov 19 18:58:19 <Ahmed_> am here
Nov 19 18:58:33 <Ahmed_> I just ordered beaglebon and waiting for it to come here
Nov 19 18:58:46 <Ahmed_> am newbie in embedded linux
Nov 19 18:58:59 <Ahmed_> I'm asked to port a software that uses opencv, opengl,..etc to embedded linux :/
Nov 19 18:59:08 <Ahmed_> is it easy or what ?
Nov 19 18:59:37 <KotH> depends on the software
Nov 19 18:59:41 <Ahmed_> so guys, does the angstorm dist, come with almost all the drivers that beaglebord has ?
Nov 19 18:59:47 <Ahmed_> like ethernet,..etc
Nov 19 19:00:13 <Ahmed_> KotH: would you tell me a good book that helps me writing device drivers ?
Nov 19 19:00:17 <Ahmed_> for newbie in linux
Nov 19 19:00:40 <KotH> ldd3
Nov 19 19:01:01 <Ahmed_> can I try that book's code on windows untill the board comes?
Nov 19 19:01:07 <Ahmed_> like virtualbox ?
Nov 19 19:01:09 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 19:01:24 <KotH> device drives do not work without a device, do they?
Nov 19 19:01:36 <mranostay> KotH: don't be a troll :P
Nov 19 19:01:42 <Ahmed_> KotH:  yea
Nov 19 19:01:57 <Ahmed_> KotH:  well, the software has opencv optical flow, some image processing, and openg drawing..etc
Nov 19 19:02:08 <mru> mranostay: it's ok, he's licensed
Nov 19 19:02:12 <Ahmed_> but the problem that they use a special camera that I feel it needs a special driver for it
Nov 19 19:02:18 <Crofton|work> mru, I was thinking of the iphone collapsing ATT's network in US
Nov 19 19:02:38 <mru> blame the itards
Nov 19 19:02:59 <mru> I'm sure at&t did
Nov 19 19:04:15 <KotH> Crofton|work: wait, what?
Nov 19 19:04:20 <KotH> mranostay: me? a troll?
Nov 19 19:04:26 <KotH> mranostay: not yet :-)
Nov 19 19:04:42 <mranostay> i hate photographic proof
Nov 19 19:04:43 <mranostay> *have
Nov 19 19:04:55 * KotH is still a troll in training
Nov 19 19:04:59 <Ahmed_> KotH: I plan to use Qt on beaglebone...
Nov 19 19:05:16 <Ahmed_> KotH:  does QT handles all opengl driver with beaglebone,..etc ?
Nov 19 19:05:23 <KotH> Ahmed_: i've never done any graphics stuff on an embedded system
Nov 19 19:05:23 <Ahmed_> so I don't worry about that ?
Nov 19 19:05:31 <Ahmed_> aha ok
Nov 19 19:05:45 <KotH> Ahmed_: er.. well.. qt is a graphics framework, not a graphics driver
Nov 19 19:05:50 <mranostay> KotH: you do not master trolling overnight.. it is long path to mru^H^H^H enlightenment
Nov 19 19:05:51 <Ahmed_> yea
Nov 19 19:05:59 <mru> KotH: got a fanclub already?
Nov 19 19:06:03 <Ahmed_> but it has opengl qopengl
Nov 19 19:06:05 <KotH> mru: looks like
Nov 19 19:06:19 <KotH> mru: you know what scares me? he is from austria
Nov 19 19:06:54 <KotH> Ahmed_: google for embedded qt
Nov 19 19:06:54 <mru> run!
Nov 19 19:07:59 <KotH> mru: at least it's not vienna
Nov 19 19:14:34 * KotH should have studied medicine
Nov 19 19:15:14 <KotH> no customers, not stupid users. people would be cratefull for the work i do and lots of girls around...
Nov 19 19:16:00 <mranostay> KotH: yeah 10 years of school is a turn off
Nov 19 19:16:02 <KotH> gratefull*
Nov 19 19:16:18 <mranostay> they could be crateful are as well
Nov 19 19:16:23 <mranostay> s/are//
Nov 19 19:16:35 <KotH> mranostay: i'm actually not that far from 10y of uni
Nov 19 19:18:30 <mranostay> KotH: have a few friends that are nurses and i have to say that would be a great career path :)
Nov 19 19:19:58 <KotH> mranostay: most of my family is in health care :)
Nov 19 19:20:24 * dm8tbr just read ncurses...
Nov 19 19:20:41 <mranostay> dm8tbr: and cursing?
Nov 19 19:20:42 <KotH> dm8tbr: you're a lost case ^^'
Nov 19 19:20:48 <dm8tbr> :>
Nov 19 19:21:10 * _av500_ curses
Nov 19 19:21:21 <KotH> libav500curses ?
Nov 19 19:21:41 <dm8tbr> they did write their own framework for that, yeah
Nov 19 19:21:46 <mranostay> undefined reference to _troll_
Nov 19 19:21:49 <dm8tbr> abcbox or what's the name...
Nov 19 19:22:09 <mru> nurses for curses, some kind of exorcists?
Nov 19 19:24:12 <_av500_> Ahmed_: angstrom has netwrok drivers and opencv
Nov 19 19:24:22 <_av500_> Ahmed_: opengl too, but only opengl ES
Nov 19 19:24:34 <dm8tbr> njet-work?
Nov 19 19:24:40 <_av500_> you might find though that opencv is not as fast as on your desktop PC
Nov 19 19:24:45 <_av500_> so ymmv
Nov 19 19:25:15 <mranostay> _av500_: lies! x86 is the future!
Nov 19 19:26:09 <_av500_> that is what i hinted at
Nov 19 19:26:28 <KotH> mranostay: x86 is the past! x32 is the future!
Nov 19 19:26:35 * _av500_ sings "opencv on my xeon phi"
Nov 19 19:27:03 <dm8tbr> I'd vote for x54 (it's the dual-core version of x26)
Nov 19 19:27:27 <mru> arm 26-bit mode?
Nov 19 19:27:37 <_av500_> 54 bit mode
Nov 19 19:27:57 <Russ> 48 bits is enough for anyone
Nov 19 19:28:23 <dm8tbr> is 26bit the size of a nibble on x54?
Nov 19 19:28:33 <axMountain> is anyone else getting this:
Nov 19 19:28:33 <axMountain> [ 1920.206008] INFO: task wpa_supplicant:246 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
Nov 19 19:28:33 <axMountain> [ 1920.213378] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
Nov 19 19:28:53 <mru> no, only you
Nov 19 19:28:57 <axMountain> thx
Nov 19 19:30:54 <_av500_> mine has different numbers
Nov 19 19:31:06 <_av500_> and different letters
Nov 19 19:33:24 <_av500_> a hit: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/19/ipad-alternative-new-200-chromebooks-holiday-hit/
Nov 19 19:33:34 <_av500_> pardon my fox news
Nov 19 19:36:00 <mru> faux news?
Nov 19 19:36:02 <KotH> now wash your hands!
Nov 19 19:36:35 <mdp> hehe..."a great secondary computer"
Nov 19 19:37:15 <mdp> to complete your life you need a laptop, cloudybook, tablet, and mobile phone
Nov 19 19:37:28 <Russ> mdp, don't forget your ereader
Nov 19 19:37:32 <mranostay> "And they’re stocked with keyboards, so you can be more productive.
Nov 19 19:37:33 <Russ> and you stb
Nov 19 19:38:07 <mru> mranostay: it's always amusing to watch people try to type on their ipads
Nov 19 19:38:14 <mdp> and neckbeards also need the 8+ core workstation to complete their yocto builds in <3 days
Nov 19 19:38:25 <mru> of course, for the hunt-and-peck crowd, it's not much difference
Nov 19 19:38:42 <mranostay> mru: who doesn't know how to type in 2012?
Nov 19 19:38:49 <Russ> mdp, your build farm is in the cloud man!
Nov 19 19:39:01 <mru> mranostay: a disturbingly large nunmber of people
Nov 19 19:39:41 <mdp> I'm hoping the "freshers" with all the new ideas will build content creation apps that have more than .001% of the features of what they are cloning from the desktop
Nov 19 19:39:52 <mdp> since I'm told I need to use a tablet w/ a keyboard now
Nov 19 19:41:24 <_av500_> mdp: irc from tablet much?
Nov 19 19:41:47 <mru> _av500_: that's not physically possible
Nov 19 19:41:56 <mdp> _av500_, a bit
Nov 19 19:42:16 <mdp> most of elc-e
Nov 19 19:42:37 <mranostay> mdp: i think my MBA is a tablet with a keyboard :P
Nov 19 19:43:14 <mru> I thought an mba was a piece of paper with funny fonts you frame and hang on the wall to impress people
Nov 19 19:43:56 <_av500_> wasnt it a sports league?
Nov 19 19:44:02 <_av500_> 'merican baseball association
Nov 19 19:44:14 * mranostay smacks  _av500_ 
Nov 19 19:44:21 <mru> _av500_: +1
Nov 19 19:44:22 <_av500_> with a tablet?
Nov 19 19:44:35 <_av500_> take this, gorilla glass
Nov 19 19:45:13 <_av500_> uh oh, overclocked pi corrupts sd
Nov 19 19:45:28 <mru> no shit
Nov 19 19:45:53 <mru> "running system out of spec has unpredictable results", oh really?
Nov 19 19:46:12 <KotH> rotfl
Nov 19 19:46:20 <djlewis> What! you want your cake and icing too ;)
Nov 19 19:46:32 <mru> ice melts if you overclock
Nov 19 19:46:59 <KotH> and kitties die if you cast a void pointer
Nov 19 19:47:06 <_av500_> serbes em right
Nov 19 19:47:08 <_av500_> serves
Nov 19 19:47:19 <KotH> do you have anythign against serbs?
Nov 19 19:53:43 <KotH> alan_o: you'll like this article: http://theintelhub.com/2012/08/27/russian-expert-predicts-obama-will-declare-martial-law-in-america-by-end-of-2012/
Nov 19 19:55:04 <mdp> that'll be on prisonplanet.tv in 3...2...1...
Nov 19 19:55:45 <mru> KotH: gang shootings on the rise?
Nov 19 19:56:15 <mdp> lol...central north-american republic under Canadian influence ;)
Nov 19 19:56:38 <mdp> that map needs the Dragon warnings on it
Nov 19 19:57:05 <alan_o> yeah, that's nutty.
Nov 19 19:57:29 <alan_o> It's also from august
Nov 19 19:57:31 <_av500_> I would have guesses marsian laws
Nov 19 19:57:31 <alan_o> before the election
Nov 19 19:57:39 <_av500_> guessed
Nov 19 19:57:41 <alan_o> which is no doubt what he thought would bring about civil unrest.
Nov 19 19:57:53 <alan_o> no civil unrest here.
Nov 19 19:58:03 <mdp> we are all resting now
Nov 19 19:58:03 <thing_> Hello, what is most used way to connect sensors to beaglebone? is it through usb ?
Nov 19 19:58:20 <mdp> thing_, i2c and spi
Nov 19 19:58:21 <mru> _av500_: revolt of the rovers, led by curiosity?
Nov 19 19:58:32 <alan_o> thing_: what kind of sensors?
Nov 19 19:58:42 <alan_o> Geiger tube?
Nov 19 19:58:46 <mdp> sensible sensors
Nov 19 19:58:49 <KotH> thing_: probably a national instruments card
Nov 19 19:59:17 <Ahmed_> av500: can angstrom work for rasperrypi :D
Nov 19 19:59:18 <alan_o> thing_: bit-banging over GPIO is always popular
Nov 19 19:59:25 <thing_> Thank you!!, os shipped on BB, has spi i2c support compiled in the kernel ?
Nov 19 19:59:32 * mdp glares at alan_o
Nov 19 19:59:50 <mdp> alan_o of The Texas Republic
Nov 19 20:00:04 <CareBear\> alan_o : preferably from userspace
Nov 19 20:00:10 <alan_o> mdp: hey, not yet man....
Nov 19 20:00:19 <thing_> <alan_o>temprature, ulta sonic, perhaps light sensors
Nov 19 20:00:23 <alan_o> CareBear\: forgot that part.
Nov 19 20:00:39 <_av500_> Ahmed_: sure
Nov 19 20:00:58 <alan_o> thing_: I used the UART for my ultrasonic sensor. i2c is good too.
Nov 19 20:01:11 <alan_o> thing_: BeagleBone has lots of peripheral connections
Nov 19 20:01:13 <_av500_> uartsonic sensor
Nov 19 20:01:20 <KotH> http://www.hardenedstructures.com/ <- these guys are great!
Nov 19 20:01:30 * KotH wonders what lunatics their customers are
Nov 19 20:01:30 <Ahmed_> _av500_: what happens for example If I have a camera that doesn't work for linux... ? should I write a device driver for it ?
Nov 19 20:01:33 <alan_o> thing_: whatever bus you need, is likely there.
Nov 19 20:02:02 <mru> I need the kind of bus that runs over people
Nov 19 20:02:05 <_av500_> Ahmed_: yep
Nov 19 20:02:07 <_av500_> its fun
Nov 19 20:02:14 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 20:02:58 <axMountain> How can I check if the Angstrom im running is the latest image?
Nov 19 20:02:59 <KotH> rotfl.. 100% waterproof shelters
Nov 19 20:03:01 <alan_o> When I was in college in 1999 I was in the campus computer store, where I said something about Linux, and the guy in the store said, sarcastically, "oh, so you like to write your own drivers"
Nov 19 20:03:11 <alan_o> well as a matter of fact, it turns out that I did :)
Nov 19 20:03:16 <alan_o> jerk
Nov 19 20:03:46 <alan_o> so Ahmed_, like av500 said, it's fun :)
Nov 19 20:03:48 <KotH> alan_o: back in 99, nobody knew what linux is...
Nov 19 20:04:03 <mru> my uni division didn't run linux then, it was all tru64
Nov 19 20:04:10 <Ahmed_> its an ethernet IP camera...
Nov 19 20:04:16 <alan_o> KotH: It was still mature enough that I didn't have to write any drivers back then for my PC
Nov 19 20:04:20 <KotH> Ahmed_: buy an axis ;->
Nov 19 20:04:23 <Ahmed_> so I have it works without needing to write a driver for it
Nov 19 20:04:29 <Ahmed_> KotH:  axis?
Nov 19 20:04:42 <mru> axis of evil?
Nov 19 20:04:48 <KotH> Ahmed_: http://www.axis.com/
Nov 19 20:04:53 <KotH> mru: axis of trolling
Nov 19 20:04:57 <alan_o> mru: had it typed, backspaced over it :)
Nov 19 20:05:01 <Ahmed_> the whole problem is, I want to port a windows software on a credit card sized computer :)
Nov 19 20:05:20 <mdp> *plonk*
Nov 19 20:05:31 <alan_o> Ahmed_: credit card sized computer.... check.
Nov 19 20:05:31 <KotH> alan_o: is having your own nuclear missile proof bomb shelter common in the US lunatics population?
Nov 19 20:06:09 <KotH> Ahmed_: do you want to do that or did your professor assign you that task?
Nov 19 20:06:25 <alan_o> KotH: It wasn't ever common, but it was more popular when global thermonuclear war looked like an inevitability
Nov 19 20:06:32 <Ahmed_> KotH: no I want to do it
Nov 19 20:06:37 <thing_> Thanks gys!!
Nov 19 20:06:52 <KotH> Ahmed_: sounds masochistic
Nov 19 20:06:53 <Ahmed_> I wrote an opencv application that does blob tracking,..etc and I want to port it
Nov 19 20:06:59 <_av500_> lol: ...he needs to leave the US alone,,, and go back to Kenya,,, ...
Nov 19 20:07:08 <mru> binary blob tracking?
Nov 19 20:07:11 <Ahmed_> blob tracking, optical flow,..etc
Nov 19 20:07:19 <Ahmed_> mru: binary ?
Nov 19 20:07:31 <KotH> Ahmed_: blob = binary large object
Nov 19 20:07:34 <mru> careful, they attack
Nov 19 20:07:59 <KotH> alan_o: i just wonder how a company like these hardened structures guys can survive
Nov 19 20:08:22 <KotH> alan_o: most of what they show on their webpage is total BS
Nov 19 20:08:25 <mru> KotH: could be a hoax
Nov 19 20:08:31 <alan_o> KotH: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/05/12/house-week-missile-silo-home-with-runway/
Nov 19 20:08:32 <KotH> alan_o: building a shelter like that does not work
Nov 19 20:08:37 <Ahmed_> I looked at PWM driver for angstrom, why it's so complex ?!
Nov 19 20:08:56 <KotH> mru: looks too fake to be fake
Nov 19 20:08:57 <Ahmed_> it just frequency, dutycycle...
Nov 19 20:08:58 <alan_o> KotH: I would _love_ to have that house :) Think of all the possibilities of an underground silo
Nov 19 20:09:00 <KotH> mru: it must be real
Nov 19 20:09:13 <_av500_> these silo homes are real
Nov 19 20:09:16 <KotH> alan_o: lol
Nov 19 20:09:17 <_av500_> lot of them to be had
Nov 19 20:09:31 <mru> alan_o: how's the cooling system down there?
Nov 19 20:09:32 <KotH> _av500_: i know.. seen them in the news... in the 90s...
Nov 19 20:09:38 <alan_o> KotH: if you click on the zillow link, it has pictures (or used to )
Nov 19 20:09:41 * mdp wonders why it's so surprising
Nov 19 20:09:43 <_av500_> KotH: they still exit :)
Nov 19 20:09:48 <_av500_> exist
Nov 19 20:09:50 <_av500_> damn
Nov 19 20:10:14 <KotH> mdp: surprising?
Nov 19 20:10:36 <mdp> the "50%" are all buying guns and building shelters now ;)
Nov 19 20:10:46 <_av500_> 53%
Nov 19 20:10:54 <mru> the mormons?
Nov 19 20:10:57 <_av500_> obama will take our guns
Nov 19 20:10:58 <_av500_> lol
Nov 19 20:11:11 <_av500_> mru: I could say morons, but then I would offend people
Nov 19 20:11:15 <alan_o> mru: the mormons have been stockpiling stuff for a long time.
Nov 19 20:11:30 <_av500_> christmas is near, get those stockings piled
Nov 19 20:11:38 <alan_o> it's part of their culture to have months worth of supplies.
Nov 19 20:11:41 <mru> alan_o: on the off-chance one of them would become president?
Nov 19 20:11:45 <alan_o> being from hurricane country, it's not a bad idea.
Nov 19 20:11:59 <KotH> alan_o: i wonder how they keep those silos dry
Nov 19 20:12:08 <_av500_> pumps
Nov 19 20:12:12 <_av500_> like any ship
Nov 19 20:12:16 <mdp> alan_o, option #2...surround youself with weak neighbors
Nov 19 20:12:17 <alan_o> I think it's just for emergency stuff. Not sure it has anything to do with religion, but I could be wrong.
Nov 19 20:12:26 <KotH> _av500_: ever been in a bunker?
Nov 19 20:12:30 <mru> KotH: good luck getting a refund after the war breaks out
Nov 19 20:12:40 <alan_o> KotH: I'm in a bunker right now
Nov 19 20:12:46 <KotH> mru: refund for what?
Nov 19 20:12:51 <mru> the silo
Nov 19 20:12:52 <KotH> alan_o: huh?
Nov 19 20:12:54 * mdp has a bunker mentality
Nov 19 20:12:54 <KotH> mru: lol
Nov 19 20:12:56 <_av500_> alan_o: thats why you are some muffled
Nov 19 20:13:05 <_av500_> gah, its tzpo day
Nov 19 20:13:13 <alan_o> It's why the networks are so slow
Nov 19 20:13:18 <mdp> alan_o, your trumpet playing echos like crazy in there!
Nov 19 20:13:34 <_av500_> KotH: alan_o has a floating underground bunker of the coast of florida
Nov 19 20:13:38 <alan_o> mdp: yes!! bunker benefit #58
Nov 19 20:14:03 <alan_o> _av500_: yeah, our bunkers are above ground for the most part.
Nov 19 20:14:15 <_av500_> you are doing it wrong
Nov 19 20:14:28 <alan_o> _av500_: you do what you can.
Nov 19 20:14:36 <_av500_> 1) make hole 2) build bunker
Nov 19 20:14:40 <_av500_> not the other way round
Nov 19 20:14:48 <Ahmed_> is there any prequiestes to read the ldd3 ?
Nov 19 20:14:48 <alan_o> There's a fallout shelter in the town  I grew up in, above ground
Nov 19 20:14:53 <alan_o> that's not the same as a bunker though
Nov 19 20:14:55 <mdp> 3) don't make mistakes like the inhabitants in Wool do
Nov 19 20:14:56 <_av500_> Ahmed_: being literate
Nov 19 20:15:10 <alan_o> Not sure if there are any bunkers in Florida. None really that I'm aware of
Nov 19 20:15:14 <KotH> Ahmed_: yes, knowing linux and how unixes work in general
Nov 19 20:15:15 <mru> _av500_: that's a high barrier
Nov 19 20:15:23 <_av500_> he is on irc aftr all
Nov 19 20:15:37 <KotH> Ahmed_: i recomend reading "the design of the unix operating system" by bach first
Nov 19 20:15:38 <mranostay> canz i haz exact stepz?
Nov 19 20:15:39 <_av500_> Ahmed_: what camera is it?
Nov 19 20:15:51 <_av500_> chances are, a driver exists
Nov 19 20:15:53 <mru> _av500_: it took me 5 or 6 years to learn
Nov 19 20:16:00 <mdp> alan_o, there a ton of WWII era bunker/shelters like that in easter OH to wester PA along one of the non interstate us routes...some beautiful hybrid homes out of those
Nov 19 20:16:07 <mru> his homework deadline is probably only weeks away
Nov 19 20:16:24 <KotH> mdp: you've never been in .ch, have you?
Nov 19 20:16:34 <_av500_> .ch *is* a bunker
Nov 19 20:16:42 <mdp> KotH, no, not yet...just seen the pics ;)
Nov 19 20:16:46 <KotH> _av500_: you dont know how true that statement is ^^'
Nov 19 20:16:47 <mdp> so I guess it "did happen"
Nov 19 20:16:52 <_av500_> KotH: i know
Nov 19 20:16:52 <mranostay> KotH: i would like my free assualt rifle :)
Nov 19 20:17:00 <mranostay> real "assault rifle"
Nov 19 20:17:01 <KotH> mranostay: join the swiss army
Nov 19 20:17:10 <alan_o> mranostay: I think you have to be in the military first
Nov 19 20:17:10 <mdp> mranostay, it's so much tax trouble to have a real one here :(
Nov 19 20:17:13 <_av500_> mranostay: but in .ch you are not allowed to shoot people
Nov 19 20:17:22 <KotH> mranostay: if you come to .ch i let you hold mine ;)
Nov 19 20:17:23 <mdp> _av500_: what? wtf is the point then?
Nov 19 20:17:34 <mranostay> KotH: whoa
Nov 19 20:17:42 <mranostay> i don't swing that way
Nov 19 20:17:50 <KotH> lol
Nov 19 20:17:53 <_av500_> I want the above quote out of context!!
Nov 19 20:17:54 <alan_o> mranostay: what happens in .ch.....
Nov 19 20:17:56 <mdp> this is what my personal assistant warned about in those ELC-E photos!
Nov 19 20:17:59 <KotH> mranostay: you should watch swing girls
Nov 19 20:18:17 <mdp> swigging girls
Nov 19 20:18:19 <mranostay> mdp: which ones?
Nov 19 20:18:24 <_av500_> sec
Nov 19 20:18:40 <Ahmed_> guys, is there a way to experiment device drivers on virtual machine untill my beaglebon arrives?
Nov 19 20:18:44 <mdp> mranostay, final session..."awkward positions"
Nov 19 20:18:55 <Ahmed_> or I must have the board ?
Nov 19 20:19:06 <Crofton|work> qemu?
Nov 19 20:19:08 <KotH> Ahmed_: if you can get the device somehow working in the vm, yes, otherwise no
Nov 19 20:19:13 <mdp> Ahmed_: it's not time well spent IMHO
Nov 19 20:19:30 <mranostay> mdp: how did Linux Foundation legal allow that
Nov 19 20:19:38 * Crofton|work tends to agree with mdp
Nov 19 20:19:48 <mdp> unless you have someone to build you a perfect working model of your sensor h/w so you don't have to invest the time
Nov 19 20:19:57 <KotH> Ahmed_: how much experience do you have with linux in generall?
Nov 19 20:20:10 <alan_o> KotH: mru: I bet that company from the website builds a lot of stuff for federal and local governments. Even in the small county where I grew up there was a partially underground building that was were all the emergency stuf (911, police/fire dispatch, etc), was done. I bet there's plenty of work to keep them in business.
Nov 19 20:20:16 <Ahmed_> KotH:  nothing :/
Nov 19 20:20:21 <_av500_> KotH: here: http://i.imgur.com/UM26Z.gif
Nov 19 20:20:38 <KotH> alan_o: eh..
Nov 19 20:20:48 <KotH> alan_o: you are aware that i'm from switzerland, are you?
Nov 19 20:21:04 <Ahmed_> KotH:  Ich bin auslander im osterreich :D
Nov 19 20:21:09 <Ahmed_> KotH: Ich arbeite here :D
Nov 19 20:21:17 <alan_o> yeah, but not sure what that has to do with it
Nov 19 20:21:18 <KotH> alan_o: our hospitals have more space underground than above ground...each of them
Nov 19 20:21:28 <alan_o> oh, interesting
Nov 19 20:21:37 <KotH> alan_o: each school has a bomb shelter enough for hundreds of people
Nov 19 20:21:51 <_av500_> and many houses have shelters
Nov 19 20:21:56 <_av500_> they are filled with food and wine
Nov 19 20:22:03 <KotH> alan_o: actually, each home has to have a bomb shelter or the home owner has to rent space in one
Nov 19 20:22:05 <dm8tbr> and every man owns an assault rifle
Nov 19 20:22:14 <_av500_> dm8tbr: weve been there
Nov 19 20:22:18 <_av500_> +'
Nov 19 20:22:18 <KotH> _av500_: s/many/most of them/
Nov 19 20:22:32 <alan_o> KotH: so why are you surprised at a company which constructs said shelters?
Nov 19 20:22:43 <alan_o> or maybe I misunderstood the whole conversation then.
Nov 19 20:22:44 <_av500_> KotH: now, if you only had somebody willing to attack you....
Nov 19 20:22:45 <KotH> alan_o: i'm surprised how diletantic these shelters look
Nov 19 20:22:49 * alan_o scrolls back
Nov 19 20:22:50 <KotH> alan_o: like disneyland homes
Nov 19 20:22:55 <Russ> but no caffeine!
Nov 19 20:22:59 <_av500_> KotH: they are to appeal to investors
Nov 19 20:23:16 <KotH> alan_o: i've been in many shelters and bunkers over the years, i know how they look like and how you have to construct them to be somewhat safe
Nov 19 20:23:19 <_av500_> we built a shelter for the cloud, can haz investment round?
Nov 19 20:23:30 <KotH> alan_o: the pictures there were definitly not of shelters that were secure
Nov 19 20:23:45 <_av500_> they hold their own weight at least
Nov 19 20:23:49 <alan_o> well in that case, I defer to your expertise in the matter
Nov 19 20:24:03 <_av500_> are there us export regulations on shelters?
Nov 19 20:24:14 <KotH> _av500_: afaik not
Nov 19 20:24:28 <KotH> _av500_: afaik it was a swiss company that build sadam husseins shelters :)
Nov 19 20:24:31 <mdp> alan_o, it's really no different than how our firearms manufacturers usually care far more about their military and civilian police contracts versus the civilian direct sales
Nov 19 20:24:53 <alan_o> _av500_: ITAR is about everything exportable that could be seen as military or defense related
Nov 19 20:24:56 <mdp> alan_o, but yet they still like the revenue from civilian sales ... $$$$ be $$$$
Nov 19 20:25:18 <KotH> alan_o: ITAR is mostly NUTS
Nov 19 20:25:31 <alan_o> _av500_: It's so complicated that anyone who has done it ITAR stuff for a company gets nutty about everything they ship overseas from then on
Nov 19 20:25:55 <KotH> alan_o: crystal oscillators above a certain stability are considered weapons related, but selling atomic clocks is free
Nov 19 20:26:15 <KotH> _av500_: i actually like that gif :)
Nov 19 20:26:49 <alan_o> KotH: and strong crypto, right up until it wasn't. Always wondered about the sudden reversal there.
Nov 19 20:26:50 <woglinde> lumdidum
Nov 19 20:27:37 <_av500_> KotH: you yare welcome :)
Nov 19 20:28:25 <KotH> alan_o: it's still regulated in .fr
Nov 19 20:29:00 <alan_o> KotH: That just means their government hasn't broken it yet :)
Nov 19 20:29:17 <KotH> :-)
Nov 19 20:29:37 <KotH> alan_o: not too long ago, you had to register your key with the authorities if you were using ssh in france
Nov 19 20:29:46 <KotH> alan_o: or you could go to jail for it
Nov 19 20:29:56 <KotH> iirc that changed 2004 or so
Nov 19 20:30:03 <alan_o> That's insanity
Nov 19 20:30:17 <panto> alan_o, welcome to europe
Nov 19 20:30:19 <alan_o> wait... register your secret key?
Nov 19 20:30:20 <KotH> weapons and related laws are insane
Nov 19 20:30:33 <KotH> alan_o: you had to give the keys to the authorities
Nov 19 20:30:45 <KotH> alan_o: in order to allow them to look at what you were doing
Nov 19 20:30:48 <alan_o> KotH: passphrase too ?
Nov 19 20:30:51 <KotH> ofc
Nov 19 20:31:07 <KotH> nobody did that of course
Nov 19 20:31:09 <mranostay> KotH: encryption is regulated in France still?
Nov 19 20:31:10 <KotH> but that was the law
Nov 19 20:31:17 <KotH> mranostay: yes, to some extend
Nov 19 20:31:25 <KotH> mranostay: wiki has a short article on it
Nov 19 20:31:27 <KotH> somewhere
Nov 19 20:31:27 <alan_o> Well, the internet is no place for security.
Nov 19 20:32:51 <KotH> the internet if a fricking crazy place, which could bring down whole nations
Nov 19 20:32:52 <mdp> but it's great for online banking
Nov 19 20:33:18 <KotH> mdp: in .ch we had online banking way back in the early 90s :)
Nov 19 20:33:33 <KotH> long before the internet was "born" in europe
Nov 19 20:34:08 <dm8tbr> minitel, BTX, ... ahh the 80s...
Nov 19 20:34:15 <KotH> *g*
Nov 19 20:34:48 <KotH> dm8tbr: you know, the swiss videotext (the swiss version of btx) had a web access system for quite a long time
Nov 19 20:34:52 <mdp> KotH: FidoNET banking
Nov 19 20:35:05 <KotH> o_0
Nov 19 20:35:10 <KotH> mdp: you are joking?
Nov 19 20:35:19 <mdp> always
Nov 19 20:35:28 <mdp> half-joking
Nov 19 20:35:43 <KotH> i'm never sure with you guys... you are weird... might be that strange country you are coming from ;-)
Nov 19 20:35:43 <mdp> and only half-sane too
Nov 19 20:35:58 * mdp waves beer bottles and guns in the air
Nov 19 20:36:09 <mdp> mranostay, did you see what I did there?
Nov 19 20:36:38 <KotH> mdp: now shoot into the air and shout "MUJAHEDIN!" :-)
Nov 19 20:36:51 <_av500_> KotH: like at a swiss wedding?
Nov 19 20:37:23 <KotH> yeah :
Nov 19 20:37:25 <mdp> um, not a good idea where I live. my neighbor likes to shoot his SKS _a lot_ and he just might think he's doing a good deed to eliminate the person yelling that ;)
Nov 19 20:37:34 <KotH> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_iMb8VWrYQ  :-)
Nov 19 20:38:43 <Ahmed__> KotH:  does ldd discuss interfacing and writing drivers like I2C, SPI,..etc?
Nov 19 20:39:06 <KotH> Ahmed__: ofc not
Nov 19 20:39:17 <Ahmed__> KotH: I'm interestted in that
Nov 19 20:39:27 <KotH> Ahmed__: there is a directory called Documentation for that
Nov 19 20:39:28 <dm8tbr> KotH: magenta T ran BTX over IP until recently. mostly as a lot of banking application legacy systems and software relied on it...
Nov 19 20:40:05 <Russ> mdp, does it do the thing where it sticks and goes full auto every now and then?
Nov 19 20:40:33 <mdp> Russ, yes, the ol' slam-fire..I've had it happen to me on a russian one too
Nov 19 20:41:56 <mdp> Russ, drop the bolt and the whole fixed mag empties..always a pleasant surprise
Nov 19 20:42:21 <KotH> ouch
Nov 19 20:42:26 <mdp> I call it their attempt at a 95% effective semi-auto sear
Nov 19 20:43:25 <_av500_> guys, stop it or obama will take this channel away from you
Nov 19 20:43:28 <mdp> KotH, it's inexpensive to fix though
Nov 19 20:43:45 <alan_o> _av500_: I thought Obama _made_ this channel?
Nov 19 20:43:54 <mdp> al gore made the channel
Nov 19 20:43:57 <_av500_> out of kids tears, yes
Nov 19 20:44:03 <_av500_> mdp: +1
Nov 19 20:44:05 <mranostay> mdp: i bet that freaked you out
Nov 19 20:44:35 <mdp> mranostay, it's one of those great demos of why you follow the handling rules..all the time ;)
Nov 19 20:44:50 <KotH> mdp: i know that the sig 550 starts firing itself when you've been shooting for too long.. but what kind of mechanism is that that doesnt stop?
Nov 19 20:45:31 <mdp> there's some milling problem with the way they made the semi-auto only sear mechanism that they put in them for the .us market
Nov 19 20:46:00 <mdp> and it doesn't catch the bolt reliably on rare occasion
Nov 19 20:46:08 <mdp> but..that's what you get with cheap crap
Nov 19 20:46:18 <mdp> mranostay, AR15++ ;)
Nov 19 20:46:18 <_av500_> its a kind of population control
Nov 19 20:46:48 <mdp> it's like buying a resistive touchscreen tablet from a year ago ;)
Nov 19 20:56:26 <panto> cya tomorrow
Nov 19 20:56:29 <panto> bye
Nov 19 20:58:07 * mdp waves at challinan
Nov 19 20:58:31 <mranostay> oh uh challinan
Nov 19 20:59:15 * challinan waves at matt(squared)
Nov 19 20:59:23 <Ahmed__> has anyone here tried qt on angstrom ?
Nov 19 20:59:29 <_av500_> nice, a light saber
Nov 19 21:00:22 <Ahmed__> KotH: which one to start reading embedded linux primer or ldd ?
Nov 19 21:00:24 <mdp> every 3d printer company really is in a garage, right?
Nov 19 21:00:40 * mdp reads solidoodle 3 with 8-10 weeks before shipping
Nov 19 21:00:48 <_av500_> mdp: extra kudos for self printing the garage
Nov 19 21:01:10 <mdp> indeed
Nov 19 21:03:14 <KotH> Ahmed__: "the design of the unix operating system"
Nov 19 21:05:12 <Ahmed__> thanks
Nov 19 21:08:40 * axMountain got wifi to and after 30 min it stops functioning.. 
Nov 19 21:09:52 <_av500_> insert coin
Nov 19 21:10:59 <axMountain>  yes, seems like the dongle from adafruit wasn't that well suited for Beaglebone
Nov 19 21:13:32 <_av500_> fruit and bone dont mix well
Nov 19 21:14:16 <woglinde> shake it up
Nov 19 21:15:05 <_av500_> ok, a blender might help
Nov 19 21:16:35 <_av500_> alan_o: did you ever look into zigbee HA or SE?
Nov 19 21:17:59 <Crofton|work> Ahmed__, I've seen qt stuff running on Angstrom
Nov 19 21:18:55 <bradfa> mdp, ak-47 cape? (I didn't scroll back)
Nov 19 21:19:07 <_av500_> that
Nov 19 21:20:00 <mdp> bradfa: great idea!
Nov 19 21:20:13 <bradfa> mdp, cape contest clear winner!
Nov 19 21:20:27 <bradfa> mdp, although exact steps to operate might be a bit touchy with the lawyers
Nov 19 21:20:55 <woglinde> lol
Nov 19 21:21:10 <mdp> bradfa, would you believe we've talked a bit about something similar here...CV aiming and shooting of a crossbow (or firearm, I suppose)
Nov 19 21:21:32 <mdp> I was playing with the mechanics of some trigger "finger" linkages here already ;)
Nov 19 21:21:35 <_av500_> hallway testting will be fun
Nov 19 21:21:51 <bradfa> mdp, did you recently move to texas?
Nov 19 21:22:03 <mdp> bah, texas
Nov 19 21:22:06 <mdp> all talk there
Nov 19 21:22:08 <mdp> ;)
Nov 19 21:22:11 <bradfa> OH HI OH
Nov 19 21:27:56 <alan_o> _av500_: haven't
Nov 19 21:32:49 <ds2> resistive touch is superior for specific apps
Nov 19 21:34:03 <_av500_> alan_o: I would like to buy some HA profile stuff to play with, but not much available
Nov 19 21:38:05 <alan_o> _av500_: What are you looking for on the HW side? Something pre-built?
Nov 19 21:38:09 <alan_o> the HA is just software
Nov 19 21:38:14 <alan_o> "just"
Nov 19 21:38:39 <alan_o> I mean, I suppose if you bought some hardware that came with a stack that supported HA....
Nov 19 21:39:00 <alan_o> but not sure where to get a cheap/free stack other than FreakZ, and I don't know if he's still working on that.
Nov 19 21:39:06 <alan_o> or what profiles he supports
Nov 19 21:40:26 * alan_o is way too amused by the xeyes on his panel....
Nov 19 21:43:48 <mdp> alan_o, you need weyes on wayland
Nov 19 21:44:12 <thinkg> is there a procedure to install linux on B-Bone
Nov 19 21:44:28 <alan_o> thinkg: there are exact steps on the website
Nov 19 21:44:36 <alan_o> thinkg: google for "beaglebone getting started"
Nov 19 21:44:47 <thinkg> ok, thanks
Nov 19 21:45:13 <ds2> _av500_, what type of connection for the HA stuff?
Nov 19 21:51:55 <_av500_> ds2: ? zigbee
Nov 19 21:52:30 <_av500_> alan_o: yes, looking for prebuilt
Nov 19 21:52:37 <_av500_> as in, lets see if it interoperates
Nov 19 21:54:19 <dm8tbr> now that I have hw that is capable of 802.15.4 it would be nice to play with it.
Nov 19 21:55:08 * dm8tbr would be also interested in some small modules to talk to.
Nov 19 21:55:20 <mdp> dm8tbr: if only you had some exact steps
Nov 19 21:55:24 <dm8tbr> 6lopan sounds nice because IPV6 ;)
Nov 19 21:55:48 <dm8tbr> mdp: yes if only exact steps to a shop :)
Nov 19 21:56:57 <mdp> 1) call utility to install smart meter and smart thermostat 2) watch install 3) enjoy magic 802.15.4 waves dancing through the air .... 6) profit!
Nov 19 21:57:01 <_av500_> the only HA stuff I can find costs > $100 for as simple as a switch
Nov 19 21:57:25 <_av500_> and there are very few
Nov 19 21:57:33 <_av500_> it must be next year tech(tm)
Nov 19 21:58:54 <mdp> surely it's <$5 in a pouch from Shenzhen to you
Nov 19 21:59:03 <ds2> _av500_: no interest in legacy connects?
Nov 19 21:59:21 <ds2> which bands is Zigbee allowed in the EU?
Nov 19 21:59:32 <ds2> (assuming that has been harmonized)
Nov 19 21:59:37 <mranostay> koen: so are FRI2s actually getting shipped? :)
Nov 19 22:00:01 <_av500_> ds2: 2.4 i guess
Nov 19 22:00:24 <ds2> Yikes... that makes for a crowded 2.4G
Nov 19 22:00:35 <ds2> imagine the problems at apt complexes
Nov 19 22:00:50 <agmlego> I think there is Zigbee on 900MHz too.
Nov 19 22:01:04 <agmlego> And Zigbee does not interfere with 802.11
Nov 19 22:01:17 <agmlego> Since the bands are much smaller and in different places/.
Nov 19 22:01:22 <ds2> define does not interfere
Nov 19 22:01:36 <agmlego> Um...does not cause interference?
Nov 19 22:01:43 <ds2> if you put out energy, I don't see how it cannot not interfere
Nov 19 22:01:47 <agmlego> I am honestly not sure how to make that statement simpler.
Nov 19 22:02:03 <ds2> well... it could mean 2 things off hand -
Nov 19 22:02:14 <agmlego> ds2: Hoave you ever looked at how 802.11, or 802.15.4 for that matter, actually work at a protocol level?
Nov 19 22:02:16 <ds2> 1. It is completely absolutely transparent to 802.11
Nov 19 22:02:36 <ds2> 2. It does not cause corruption and packet loss in 802.11 as somehow 802.11 will reduce its usage or work around it
Nov 19 22:02:42 <ds2> I suspect you mean (2)
Nov 19 22:02:48 <agmlego> Mostly the latter.
Nov 19 22:03:00 <ds2> then if you ahve enough, it will still degrade 802.11
Nov 19 22:03:10 <agmlego> But there are bands on 802.15.4 that do not in any way affect the 802.11 bands.
Nov 19 22:03:15 <ds2> esp. considering you also have BT, analog 2.4GHz crap, and microwaves in that band
Nov 19 22:03:29 <ds2> yes, in the US you can get zigbee on 433, 900, and 2.4
Nov 19 22:03:30 <agmlego> And, therre is the entire 900MHz ISB section that 802.15.4 can run it.
Nov 19 22:03:36 <ds2> but donno if that is allowed in the EU
Nov 19 22:03:54 <agmlego> Ah, I missed that you were asking about the EU.
Nov 19 22:04:08 * agmlego has exactly zero knowledge of EU bandplans.
Nov 19 22:04:10 <ds2> :)
Nov 19 22:04:26 <ds2> and worse yet, donno if there is a "EU" answer or is it up to member countries
Nov 19 22:04:35 <mru> agmlego: are you planning on getting caught?
Nov 19 22:04:39 <mru> if not, it does not matter
Nov 19 22:04:55 <ds2> mru: how's the 1KW sparkgap xmitter going? ;)
Nov 19 22:05:14 <agmlego> mru: Why are you asking me?
Nov 19 22:05:42 <dm8tbr> there is a nice spark gap site in sweden that operates still from time to time
Nov 19 22:05:59 <_av500_> ds2: we have stuff at 866 here
Nov 19 22:06:17 <agmlego> dm8tbr: There is no such thing as a "nice" sparkgap.
Nov 19 22:06:30 <_av500_> it can have nice sparks
Nov 19 22:06:38 <mru> agmlego: sorry, misread who was asking what
Nov 19 22:07:28 <ds2> heheh
Nov 19 22:08:27 <ds2> on a different note
Nov 19 22:08:57 <ds2> during a dump, is there any reason why (LR % 4) == 2 if I do not have thumb code?
Nov 19 22:10:53 <mru> ds2: lr is a general-purpose register
Nov 19 22:11:04 <mru> it is only slightly special
Nov 19 22:11:49 <mru> bl(x) puts the return address there, and 'bx lr' pops the return stack on cores with such branch prediction
Nov 19 22:11:56 <mru> other than that you can use it as you please
Nov 19 22:12:21 <mru> so arbitrary values are to be expected
Nov 19 22:14:35 <ds2> mru: in this case it is being used as a return address
Nov 19 22:14:51 <ds2> mru: just find it odd to be merely even and not 4byte aligned
Nov 19 22:15:13 <mru> that's invalid
Nov 19 22:15:23 <mru> a thumb return address would have the lsb set
Nov 19 22:15:26 <mru> to indicate thumb
Nov 19 22:16:02 <ds2> okay, another mystery to chase down
Nov 19 22:16:17 <ds2> thanks confirming it is invalid
Nov 19 22:40:45 <deny> hello I have a beagleboard rev b5 and I have a problem with the TPS2141, after pluging it on usb(only usb) the chip was smoking. Is it possible to buy this chip from beagleboard.org or somewhere else?
Nov 19 22:48:42 <agmlego> ds2: You mean like this: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TPS2141IPWP/296-12565-5-ND/441101
Nov 19 22:49:03 <agmlego> Er, deny ^^
Nov 19 22:50:03 <djlewis> deny: you should ask on the beagle google mail list.
Nov 19 22:50:36 <djlewis> the mighty board makers are there
Nov 19 22:51:26 <_av500_> that smite the boards with their heathen hammers
Nov 19 22:51:35 <agmlego> Also, you should probably figure out what was wrong with the boarfd before you put a new chip in... ;-P
Nov 19 22:52:40 <djlewis> and the great board makers can help you there too.
Nov 19 22:52:51 <djlewis> bring a chicken along
Nov 19 22:53:21 <mru> are you sure a chicken is enough? for a diode or two it would probably suffice
Nov 19 22:53:34 <mru> an entire IC, and smoking at that, may well require a goat
Nov 19 22:54:05 <djlewis> Whoa! costs have gone up all around I see .
Nov 19 23:00:01 <djlewis> latter. . .
Nov 19 23:00:25 <Russ> rinse, repeat
Nov 19 23:00:45 <djlewis> :)
Nov 19 23:50:58 <SamB> Hey Guys, I am currently having an issue with my Rev A5A beaglebone. Iv had it working perfectly for days, i just got an LCD 3 cape and plugged it into my bone. I powered up using a 5V 2.5A adapter and the LCD loaded the Angstrom login screen, however after a short period the bone rebooted. Now whenever i power up the bone via power adapter or USB it just constantly reboots, even with the LCD cape removed. Anyone had similar issued or kno
Nov 19 23:54:31 <mdp> SamB: you might want to post this to the Beagle ML
Nov 19 23:56:32 <SamB> Sorry im very new to the beagle development, what is the beagle ML?
Nov 19 23:56:41 <thurbad> mailing list
Nov 19 23:57:07 <SamB> ahh right thank you
Nov 20 02:15:21 <edahling> I have a rev A6 board and phy 0:00 is not found for some reason. It was working before, then I tried to use the TPS65217 backlight and now it no longer works.
Nov 20 02:15:38 <edahling> I've reverted back to the card that came with the bone new, and it doesn't work either.
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