**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 21 02:59:58 2012 Nov 21 03:00:02 haha Nov 21 03:00:24 alan_o: and a free scrub down by the local TSA reps Nov 21 03:00:42 prpplague: you had me at scrub down.... lost me at TSA Nov 21 03:00:46 hehe Nov 21 03:01:15 alan_o: any more info would violate the LF guides Nov 21 03:01:37 * alan_o checks his copy of the LF policy guide.... Nov 21 03:03:50 oh lord the koen has arrived Nov 21 03:04:24 I think that's just his IRC client... Either that or he gets up at 4AM.... could be either Nov 21 03:04:58 CareBear\ seems to be always on in the middle of the night Nov 21 03:05:06 I'm not sure he sleeps Nov 21 03:06:13 koen sleeps? Nov 21 03:06:49 maybe not, but he at least gets away from the insanity that is #beagle for a few hours. Nov 21 03:10:58 thought he just has to avoid the sun and holy water? Nov 21 03:29:03 argh Nov 21 03:29:21 who would have thought that updating your CV would take so much effort Nov 21 03:32:05 prpplague: I feel like that with _everything_ Nov 21 03:32:34 alan_o: hehe Nov 21 03:32:47 * prpplague wonders if alan_o has some critters Nov 21 03:32:54 pfefferz: hey crack baby Nov 21 03:33:27 prpplague: no critters here... well there's a turtle. it's my wife's Nov 21 03:33:42 alan_o: hehe Nov 21 03:58:15 no domesticated gators? Nov 21 04:00:12 alan_o : hey there Nov 21 04:01:54 hey...... Nov 21 04:01:59 ds2: hehe Nov 21 04:02:11 CareBear\: Still up? Nov 21 04:02:52 ds2: I don't know anyone who has one of those actually. I wonder what the legality is. Nov 21 04:03:56 alan_o : yep Nov 21 04:06:05 alan_o: just tell them it wandered in Nov 21 04:09:01 ds2: "but officer, it's not mine... really." Nov 21 04:51:41 prpplague, tex? Nov 21 04:53:43 Russ: ?? Nov 21 04:53:55 your cv, is it is TeX? Nov 21 04:58:49 systems work so much better when RAM is sane Nov 21 04:59:32 man, it's really frustrating programming when it isn't Nov 21 04:59:50 if (i >=5 && (i > 5 || i == 5))... Nov 21 05:00:05 gotta check everything at least twice Nov 21 05:00:12 if you get that far... Nov 21 05:06:48 hehe, made posts on /. and hackaday in the same day, hehe Nov 21 05:07:27 where's your funny cat video? Nov 21 05:07:39 Russ: working on it Nov 21 05:07:45 http://imgur.com/gallery/uEBLN Nov 21 05:14:13 hehe https://plus.google.com/u/0/109993695638569781190/posts/34PYU79eUqP Nov 21 05:15:38 prpplague: sound like the 1700 has been choosen and informed? Nov 21 05:18:06 was the 20th the day? Nov 21 05:19:07 Russ: are you at all in that line of fire? Nov 21 05:19:40 I don't think so, I think its all wireless and that jazz Nov 21 05:20:09 Russ: hmmm so that means a lot of Linux guys will be loose in the sea? Nov 21 05:21:49 I suppose so Nov 21 05:22:04 if managers are smart, they'll move the valuable ones around, like khilman Nov 21 05:22:23 managers and smart? heard of dilbert? ;) Nov 21 06:22:17 gah Nov 21 06:22:55 ? Nov 21 06:29:36 random sound of discomfort Nov 21 06:29:36 up too early? Nov 21 06:30:08 starting a T4 design? ;) Nov 21 06:32:26 :) Nov 21 06:33:16 it'd be a fitting sound Nov 21 06:39:20 tasslehoff: moved to omap5 yet? Nov 21 06:53:08 can any one help me to write in EEPROM in Beaglebone ? Nov 21 06:54:15 ask Nov 21 06:54:18 dont ask to ask Nov 21 06:56:36 av500: don't ask don't tell Nov 21 06:56:56 lose lips sink chips Nov 21 06:58:33 @av500 thanks for your advice for this kid :) Nov 21 06:58:55 i need to write in BB EEPROM Nov 21 06:59:22 you said that Nov 21 06:59:58 let me explain Nov 21 07:00:56 good morning boys and girls Nov 21 07:01:09 KotH: girls in here? Nov 21 07:01:32 if mru hasn't scared any off by now.... :) Nov 21 07:02:17 just write it. Nov 21 07:02:23 it is i2c. datasheets abound. Nov 21 07:03:52 ds2: what about i2c datasheets? Nov 21 07:07:12 i'm using android in BB, my kernel check the EEPROM data for particular peripheral configuration in particluar address, but that address field is empty. i need to wrike SKO#33 in that location Nov 21 07:07:41 which is the best way to write in EEPROM? Nov 21 07:07:58 chainz: you want to read the embedded linux primer Nov 21 07:10:12 chainz: there are command line tools to write I2C Nov 21 07:10:13 sure, but its wide. i need quick solution Nov 21 07:10:19 mranostay: they exists in large quantities Nov 21 07:10:38 i'll read the book after some to get deep knowledge Nov 21 07:10:48 if android does not run the tools, boot angstrom to write the eeprom Nov 21 07:11:23 android is just another userland Nov 21 07:11:29 if it doesn't run it, it is broken. Nov 21 07:13:26 chainz: if you need a quick solution, try google to find relevant documents Nov 21 07:13:40 writing serial eeproms is a known problem Nov 21 07:13:42 okay, this is probably a really stupid question, but would anyone here know why my sdcard doesn't even bring up the U-Boot stuff? Nov 21 07:13:48 documented a thousand times over Nov 21 07:13:57 JuanC: bad card Nov 21 07:14:00 most likely Nov 21 07:14:25 or your serial is not good and you dont see it Nov 21 07:14:31 strangely enough, i have a known bad card that does bring up the u-boot lines on the serial port Nov 21 07:14:33 but then won't boot Nov 21 07:14:38 this one doesn't even bring up uboot Nov 21 07:14:41 nothing Nov 21 07:14:43 the serial port exists Nov 21 07:14:46 i just don't get any data from it Nov 21 07:14:54 then the card is not good Nov 21 07:14:57 this is a freshly written sdcard Nov 21 07:15:02 i can read it fine in windows Nov 21 07:15:04 doesn Nov 21 07:15:04 written how? Nov 21 07:15:09 t appear to be any problems with it there Nov 21 07:15:14 though i accept it might be subtle Nov 21 07:15:30 win32diskimager as per the beagle docs Nov 21 07:16:09 hmm Nov 21 07:16:17 so you wrote an image? Nov 21 07:16:17 i have a third card (though it's the same make and model as the one in question) which i can try on i guess Nov 21 07:16:21 yep Nov 21 07:16:27 sorry, no idea then Nov 21 07:16:35 when i insert the card into the windows card reader i get the little puppy and the files are readable Nov 21 07:16:57 i tried two images from here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Nov 21 07:17:06 Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beagleboard-2011.11.21.img.gz Nov 21 07:17:07 and then Nov 21 07:17:10 Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2011.1-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 Nov 21 07:17:14 perhaps they're not the right ones? Nov 21 07:17:23 (i used 7zip to extract them) Nov 21 07:17:31 rootfs is NOT an image Nov 21 07:18:07 sorr Nov 21 07:18:08 woops Nov 21 07:18:09 mispasted :D Nov 21 07:18:34 Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2011.11-core-beagleboard-2011.11.21.img.gz and Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.sd-image-2GiB.img.bz2 Nov 21 07:18:39 (from the 2gb subdirectory)( Nov 21 07:19:11 hmm Nov 21 07:19:19 2010 does not seem ..... fresh Nov 21 07:20:28 not that I find the organization of that webpage particularly appealing Nov 21 07:20:38 I'd try Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz Nov 21 07:22:51 so random question time in #beagle.. anyone know a great tattoo artist in the SF bay area? :) Nov 21 07:24:47 av500: is there much difference between the versions? Nov 21 07:24:55 or are they all basically the same just maintained by different people? Nov 21 07:25:29 JuanC: different points in time Nov 21 07:25:37 snapshots Nov 21 07:25:38 * JuanC downloading the 2012 versiopn Nov 21 07:25:48 there's also a systemd one from even more recently Nov 21 07:25:52 it seems... very small Nov 21 07:25:52 :D Nov 21 07:26:09 yeah well Cloud9 is big Nov 21 07:26:19 JuanC: read, it says "rootfs" Nov 21 07:26:20 also node.js takes forever to launch Nov 21 07:26:21 not image Nov 21 07:26:29 ahh. Nov 21 07:26:30 yeah. Nov 21 07:26:37 both are rootfs Nov 21 07:26:38 JuanC: thats because it's creating a rockstar on the fly Nov 21 07:26:39 roger Nov 21 07:27:37 av500: badass rockstar get it correct Nov 21 07:27:46 a rootfs could be an image... but a tar.gz not so much Nov 21 07:27:56 yeah Nov 21 07:28:07 i just saw a coupple where they had a tarball of the rootf as the image alongside Nov 21 07:28:15 saw two systemd images and assumed one was an image and one a rooftf Nov 21 07:28:19 instead ... they're both rootfs! Nov 21 07:28:30 deception Nov 21 07:28:31 anyway Nov 21 07:28:36 is this..... deception? Nov 21 07:28:41 crime doesn't pay Nov 21 07:28:53 well, i'm trying 2011.whatever with the other sdcard while i wait for 2012 Nov 21 07:29:06 will let you know how i got Nov 21 07:29:08 *go Nov 21 07:29:12 unless you're ia politician... then honesty doesn't pay Nov 21 07:29:14 thanks for the assistance Nov 21 07:30:18 we live to serve Nov 21 07:32:33 we do? Nov 21 07:34:00 it's at least 50% likely! Nov 21 07:37:48 i always thought we were born to rock. hm. Nov 21 07:38:18 zug zug Nov 21 07:38:42 JuanC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zug_(canton)? Nov 21 07:39:02 okay, so fresh sdcard has the same behaviour with the 2011 image Nov 21 07:39:29 LetoThe2nd: I.... have learned something new today. Nov 21 07:39:32 thank you. Nov 21 07:39:51 (I was thinking more along the lines of "Loctar") Nov 21 07:40:56 which, according ti google means that its ok for you to build me a house (in orcish)? Nov 21 07:41:10 strange folks you are. Nov 21 07:52:26 okay Nov 21 07:52:33 av500: 2012 image is exactly the same Nov 21 07:52:37 also Nov 21 07:53:09 the windows view of the sdcard looks nothing like the view i get from the stock card that came iwth the thing Nov 21 07:53:12 whereas the 2011 image does Nov 21 07:53:36 the view being? Nov 21 07:54:36 what the filesystem looks like when you plug it in Nov 21 07:54:38 ok i better sleepy-poo now Nov 21 07:54:44 what windows can "see" Nov 21 07:54:58 just build your own Nov 21 07:56:08 oO(get a sane OS ;) ) Nov 21 07:57:46 yeah Nov 21 07:57:55 openbsd ported to the zaurus faster than the beagle Nov 21 07:57:56 crazy Nov 21 07:59:22 yeah Nov 21 07:59:31 i found a vendor page that lists some really sane sounding image names Nov 21 07:59:34 so i'll give them a go Nov 21 07:59:45 perhaps the beagle website is throwing people off just to mess with them Nov 21 08:02:59 no Nov 21 08:03:10 what is different in the file system you see? Nov 21 08:03:21 you have to realize we are not looking over your shoulder Nov 21 08:03:39 so just saying "different" is useless and wasting our time Nov 21 08:04:40 well, to be fair, i'm not sure how describing that one is called "boot" and contains three files, vs one is called "Beaglebone" and has an icon of the beaglebone mascot and contains 8 files was any more helpful that saying the more recent one looked different to the one that came with the board Nov 21 08:04:48 however, i am happy to explain further if you like? Nov 21 08:04:53 is there something in specific you'd like to know? Nov 21 08:06:01 yes, there should be a boot partition with ~3 files Nov 21 08:06:19 but it could have more Nov 21 08:06:25 there should be a file named MLO Nov 21 08:06:30 and something like uboot Nov 21 08:06:42 that should get you a uboot prompt on the serial at least Nov 21 08:07:41 yeah Nov 21 08:08:26 i see a single partition in windows called "boot" Nov 21 08:08:33 which contains u-boot.img Nov 21 08:08:36 MLO Nov 21 08:08:36 and Nov 21 08:08:38 uEnv.txt Nov 21 08:08:44 yes, windows does not see the linux parttion Nov 21 08:08:47 so, looks ok Nov 21 08:08:50 yep Nov 21 08:08:52 should boot Nov 21 08:09:01 so i put it in the beagle, fire it up, connect to the virtual serial port Nov 21 08:09:03 ....and see nothing. Nov 21 08:09:22 none of the user leds blink, nothing comes out of the console (not even C C C C like you get if you don't have a card in) Nov 21 08:12:48 http://dropbox.eait.uq.edu.au/uqjklosk/beagle/ Nov 21 08:12:52 1 is the 2012 image Nov 21 08:12:55 2 is the 2011 image Nov 21 08:12:59 they look different :) Nov 21 08:13:20 the stock image that came with the beagles i've bought look like the 2011 one (#2) Nov 21 08:14:07 anyway Nov 21 08:14:19 i'm sure there's something dumb i'm doing that's causing all this Nov 21 08:14:35 i might just go home and forget about it and maybe it'll come to me what i've forgotten to do Nov 21 08:14:36 or not Nov 21 08:14:39 either way ;) Nov 21 08:16:05 should be both fine Nov 21 08:16:35 yup. Nov 21 08:16:39 isn't. Nov 21 08:16:42 sadface. Nov 21 08:16:47 yeah Nov 21 08:20:19 i have narcissus and another vendors getting started image queued up Nov 21 08:20:25 hopefully they'll be ready tomorrow Nov 21 08:20:29 and i can play with those Nov 21 08:20:33 thanks again Nov 21 08:20:42 narcissus wont help Nov 21 08:20:53 it should still boot from MLO and uboot Nov 21 08:21:12 sad to say, but probably just using a sane operating system with a working dd will do the trick. Nov 21 08:21:38 so you think the problem is winimager? Nov 21 08:21:52 my process basically is extract the .img file Nov 21 08:21:53 * LetoThe2nd strongly suspects the win32imagewhateverfunkything to be b0rked, like usual when it comes to payware OS ;) Nov 21 08:21:54 doubt it Nov 21 08:22:01 insert the blank sdcard i bought from a local vendor this afternoon Nov 21 08:22:04 run winimager Nov 21 08:22:05 it just writes sectors Nov 21 08:22:07 there's nothing else i have to do? Nov 21 08:22:10 no Nov 21 08:22:16 you see the filesystem in the end Nov 21 08:22:21 yeah Nov 21 08:22:30 you could check if partition 1 is marked active Nov 21 08:22:31 i'm just wondering if it's missing a boot flag or some other rubbish Nov 21 08:22:33 yeah Nov 21 08:22:40 when i'm finished the latest run i'll try that Nov 21 08:24:05 av500: nah, I'm truding along on the good 'ole 3530 Nov 21 08:24:59 a question for the TI boys here: i have a datashee for an RS-485 driver (SN65HVD75) that mentiones an SON-8 package, but there is no spec for that package anywhere.. any idea who i should ask for further information? Nov 21 08:26:09 KotH: your friendly TI rep? Nov 21 08:26:42 s/friendly/grumpy/ Nov 21 08:27:07 av500: i think they don't want to sell transceivers anymore, only level shifters. Nov 21 08:27:09 av500: until i get an answer from a sales, a week has passed Nov 21 08:27:28 av500: unlike you, we are not a multi million pieces per month company Nov 21 08:28:17 KotH: no sales rep of your distributor available? maybe one where you do order some other things too, not only the transceiers? Nov 21 08:28:39 ok, most are probably a bit swamped ATMin the electronica aftermath. Nov 21 08:29:05 LetoThe2nd: we usually order from farnell, digikey and mouser until we go into production Nov 21 08:29:21 LetoThe2nd: and as we do not handle production directly, distributors usually dont know our name Nov 21 08:29:31 KotH: ok, bad luck then. Nov 21 08:29:51 * LetoThe2nd loves having production lines in house :) Nov 21 08:45:46 hello Nov 21 08:46:08 world Nov 21 08:46:17 echo $? Nov 21 08:46:45 0 Nov 21 08:47:06 panto is here.. really time to sleep now Nov 21 08:47:22 punks don't sleep; they power-down Nov 21 08:47:39 panto: or black out Nov 21 08:48:04 if in doubt, black out. Nov 21 09:18:37 jolla live now: http://new.livestream.com/slushlive/mainstage Nov 21 09:44:07 av500: you broke livestream! ;) Nov 21 09:44:37 no works Nov 21 09:44:46 I get: "We're fixing this odd occurrence and will have everything back to normal soon. We hope you'll bear with us during this down time. Thank you for your patience." Nov 21 09:44:53 works here Nov 21 09:51:39 I am trying to run QTOpenGL application hellogl_es2 on a beagle omap 3530 running qnx and I get an empty window instead of hte bubbles and qt logo that I should see. Is this a known problem? I'm using QT 4.7.1 from QNX foundry Nov 21 09:52:04 geekerie: I bet if you supply us with QNX, we can help Nov 21 09:52:40 av500, unfortunately I can't :) Nov 21 09:53:14 so, unfortunately we can't Nov 21 09:53:30 i guess there is commercial support at commercial rates Nov 21 09:54:14 av500, I realize that, but I see people facing similar problems on linux too Nov 21 09:54:21 on various forums Nov 21 09:54:36 maybe Nov 21 10:06:12 geekerie: because the symptoms of something are the same, does not mean that the cause is the same Nov 21 10:07:06 geekerie: eg: if you have a dog that doesnt respond and a computer that does not respond, then probably the computer is not switched on and the dog is dead. connecting power to the dog will not help Nov 21 10:07:30 nice explaining Nov 21 10:07:39 ++ Nov 21 10:07:41 * av500 volunteers KotH for fosdem booth duty Nov 21 10:07:46 koen: ^^^ Nov 21 10:07:53 ^^' Nov 21 10:49:18 * tsjsieb buried his computer Nov 21 11:13:17 I wonder if a capebus could help here: http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smartduino_stacked_with_Arduino_boards.jpg Nov 21 11:14:04 I said, I call it Gerald from now on Nov 21 11:14:21 so that would be: "Can Gerald help with this?" Nov 21 11:14:28 non confrontational Nov 21 11:16:55 panto: i know gerald... and imho he is very confrontational Nov 21 11:17:08 that's a different Gerald Nov 21 11:17:21 mild and non-threatening Nov 21 11:24:01 interesting: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.mtd/44693 Nov 21 11:24:07 a ubiblock driver Nov 21 11:25:50 from ubisoft? Nov 21 11:30:49 for ubisteam Nov 21 11:31:26 ubiquitous Nov 21 11:33:31 koen, ugh, that's going to be a bit of a patent issue Nov 21 11:40:53 it's always patents with you Nov 21 11:43:00 patently absurd Nov 21 12:04:16 "Ability to envision a holistic testing approach..." Nov 21 12:04:28 just add synergy and we have a winner Nov 21 12:05:18 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671533 Nov 21 12:09:24 heh Nov 21 12:09:25 " The designers may NAK this all day long, but I Nov 21 12:09:26 am receiving overwhelming feedback that it is a problem for people." Nov 21 12:09:39 took a while to get a sane response Nov 21 12:11:00 there's also http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/607691307/ubi-the-ubiquitous-computer-voice-activated-and-al-0 Nov 21 12:25:34 panto, looks like I might just get the olimex as well since it's less of a garage shop project than cubieboard Nov 21 12:25:54 and mouser carries it here Nov 21 12:26:00 mdp, yep Nov 21 12:26:28 are you definitely getting one? Nov 21 12:26:42 yeah Nov 21 12:26:44 it would be cool to know somebody with one that speaks english ;) Nov 21 12:26:51 the manuf. is right next door (.bg) Nov 21 12:26:59 oh really? Nov 21 12:27:05 yeah Nov 21 12:27:14 cool, I was also impressed with all the other stuff they are doing Nov 21 12:27:31 yep, their add on little boards are cool too Nov 21 12:29:18 panto, they remind me of papilio "wings" Nov 21 12:29:47 mdp: the a13? Nov 21 12:30:28 yeah, important stuff to learn IMHO Nov 21 12:31:29 a10 is better Nov 21 12:31:47 mdp: you should get an OEMA68 card Nov 21 12:31:58 its future proof Nov 21 12:32:21 a13>a10 Nov 21 12:32:26 nope Nov 21 12:32:32 mdp: no, a13 is the cost down version Nov 21 12:32:33 has no hdmi out Nov 21 12:32:46 this is horrible marketing!!! Nov 21 12:33:01 mdp: nikon D1 > D1000 Nov 21 12:33:06 * mdp really needs sartalics font engaged Nov 21 12:33:07 lol Nov 21 12:33:12 stop confusing us with facts! Nov 21 12:33:16 mdp: you mean like the jungle of ti SoC names? ;) Nov 21 12:33:21 lunch Nov 21 12:33:23 stop facturing confusion Nov 21 12:33:30 Jacmet: stop! the TI names make perfect sense Nov 21 12:33:55 mdp: I once asked Kevin about it, and he also couldn't figure it out ;) Nov 21 12:33:56 yes Nov 21 12:34:08 which Kevin...hilman? ;) Nov 21 12:34:11 all you need to know is how many bits the level shifter has Nov 21 12:34:12 mdp: yes Nov 21 12:34:19 and thats in the part number Nov 21 12:34:33 jacmet, my mgr is "kevin" so I always need to check ;) Nov 21 12:34:59 mdp: it was afaik at elce10, something about what was now omap and what was sitara Nov 21 12:35:08 jacmet, well, the best way to accept it is to consider that when I say, "which TI?" I'm dead serious about that. Nov 21 12:35:19 each separate company makes their own names Nov 21 12:35:48 AM180x/DA8xx/OMAPL138 is a classic example Nov 21 12:35:52 mdp: yeah, that's more or less what I got as well Nov 21 12:36:07 mdp: same for omap3 et al Nov 21 12:36:11 AM, DM, OMAP Nov 21 12:36:24 imho, they make sense within a product line...like AMxxxx Nov 21 12:36:41 av500, yep Nov 21 12:37:04 mdp: well, its to make clear where the kernel comes from: koen, PSP or Google :) Nov 21 12:37:05 is there even a way to (from software) find out whether you are running on an OMAP3630 or a DM3730? Nov 21 12:37:12 no Nov 21 12:37:20 well, if you use OCR Nov 21 12:37:23 lol Nov 21 12:37:28 * mdp just hit a key in i3 that messed things up and now needs to recover window layout..aieee Nov 21 12:37:33 "what's that webcam used for?" Nov 21 12:38:28 the moral of the story is: only use AM and this won't be a problem Nov 21 12:38:45 * mdp hunkers down in his AM bunker Nov 21 12:39:06 * av500 waits until mdp is hit by PM Nov 21 12:39:37 mdp ; Nov 21 12:39:39 ) Nov 21 12:40:06 mdp: AM is for AutoMotive, right? Nov 21 12:40:21 the A is for Awesomeness Nov 21 12:40:37 or ARM, can't remember Nov 21 12:41:09 mdp: indeed, and the recent omap/wireless announcement isn't helping (surely not for you guys either) - I've seen mails at work where people are trying to guesstimate the impact on existing/future dm/am based designs Nov 21 12:42:32 it certainly has impact beyond people's mobile facebook devices Nov 21 12:42:44 aka "blowback" Nov 21 12:43:01 mdp: indeed Nov 21 12:44:03 so anyway, which A10 board did you guys like? It's critical that it's a dev board style, I'm not interested in the little dongles Nov 21 12:44:24 mdp: mine has like a tablet around it :) Nov 21 12:44:33 *yawn* Nov 21 12:45:03 so hackberry a10 got ruled out immediately as there's no expansion connector Nov 21 12:45:28 cubieboard was first as it also has an a10 Nov 21 12:45:55 but it appears that tom cubie builds them in his basement so the initial 1000 is it for now Nov 21 12:46:23 hackberrs is a tablet PCBA, no? Nov 21 12:46:28 berry* Nov 21 12:46:38 seems to be Nov 21 12:46:57 ah no Nov 21 12:47:00 that was another one Nov 21 12:48:30 mdp: btw, you also need the datasheep for the AXP209 :) Nov 21 12:48:38 olimex is doing an a10-based design as well, btw Nov 21 12:49:36 have it Nov 21 12:51:09 mdp: btw, a coworker in france has the A13 olimex Nov 21 12:51:44 https://www.olimex.com/Products/Components/IC/A10-AXP209/ Nov 21 12:51:48 make your own :) Nov 21 12:52:03 lol Nov 21 12:52:33 probably could just bitbang it with the pru Nov 21 12:52:33 have it where? Nov 21 12:52:40 yeah Nov 21 12:53:02 mdp: connect A13 LCD out to PRU and render on bone DVI cape Nov 21 12:53:34 I grabbed the pmic datasheet shortly after elc-e as I was collecting stuff I would need Nov 21 12:53:56 ah ok, publiv Nov 21 12:53:58 can't read a lot of it, unfortunately ;) Nov 21 12:53:58 c Nov 21 12:54:58 mdp: we did our DM270 design with the japanese TRM Nov 21 12:55:19 o.O Nov 21 12:55:21 as the engrish was not ready Nov 21 12:55:33 av500: sounds "interesting" ;) Nov 21 12:55:36 heh Nov 21 12:55:40 but we only needed the delta from DSC25 Nov 21 12:55:44 so it was not that bad Nov 21 12:57:28 mdp: also note that A10 power ramping is quite easy :) Nov 21 12:57:38 I recall the diagram ;) Nov 21 12:57:56 insert batteries, push ON Nov 21 12:58:29 apparently they didn't get the memo to be part of the SoC complexity apocalypse Nov 21 12:58:41 mdp: ;) Nov 21 12:59:00 mdp: only high ranking TI "managers" got that Nov 21 12:59:40 mlocke was just itching to have a zombie theme to whatever he talked about ;) Nov 21 13:00:10 av500, sadly, the fallout from said complexity has just begun Nov 21 13:01:14 nod Nov 21 13:01:17 heh, prpplague with "exact steps" in ojn's chromebook post Nov 21 13:01:33 ojn? Nov 21 13:01:45 olof Nov 21 13:02:18 got it Nov 21 13:02:58 another ex-powerpc guy Nov 21 13:03:11 circled, blockes and reported Nov 21 13:03:12 it's trendy Nov 21 13:03:14 blocked* Nov 21 13:04:14 now jonmasters made me looks for my NEO35 Nov 21 13:04:41 hrhrhr Nov 21 13:04:46 can you control it? Nov 21 13:05:11 I wonder how many other people have a guy in their connections that asks "Does XYZ know about Firearms?" Nov 21 13:05:13 hehe Nov 21 13:05:19 LetoThe2nd: ? Nov 21 13:05:35 * mdp loves the endorsement game Nov 21 13:05:56 mdp: added "trolling" to skillz? Nov 21 13:06:10 * dm8tbr needs to endorse av500 for trolling Nov 21 13:07:07 skillz: "endorsing" Nov 21 13:09:49 tsk, manually added trolling and it got ignored... :[ Nov 21 13:12:40 I will add "Matt Porter" as a kill Nov 21 13:12:51 just for the endorsment question Nov 21 13:12:54 a skill Nov 21 13:12:57 kill, maybe Nov 21 13:12:59 a kill! Nov 21 13:13:06 a snake! Nov 21 13:13:19 "proud to know Matt Porter" Nov 21 13:17:11 mdp: you know a guy who has a military issue rifle hidden under his bed ;-) Nov 21 13:17:30 KotH: I know too many ;) Nov 21 13:18:03 KotH, the guy in question here is a military/police instructor I know Nov 21 13:18:04 mdp: to they go shopping with the rifle over their shoulder? :) Nov 21 13:18:22 KotH: generally people do that at .us gun shows, yes Nov 21 13:18:35 mdp: shopping as in grocery shopping Nov 21 13:18:48 we generally carry handguns when grocery shopping Nov 21 13:19:12 don't want to disturb the 50% Nov 21 13:19:37 o_0 Nov 21 13:20:07 mdp: in .ch nobody but the tourists look at you, if you carry a rifle$ Nov 21 13:20:16 mdp: as everyone has one at home anyways Nov 21 13:20:29 texas should joint switzerland Nov 21 13:20:32 join* Nov 21 13:20:33 yeah, funny cultural difference Nov 21 13:21:06 av500: we dont want idiots carring guns Nov 21 13:21:22 av500: it's enough that we have an idiot slipping trough the filters in military and killing someone Nov 21 13:22:00 americans are conditioned to be scared and outraged at everything...that's why we have special associations that worry about stuff like unsightly antennas on houses Nov 21 13:22:13 a couple of years ago, a guy shot a 18y old girl at a bus stop, when he went home from the military service over the weekend.... just to know how it "feld" to shoot a real person Nov 21 13:22:18 it's a cultural disease Nov 21 13:22:34 felt* Nov 21 13:22:48 there's always one that wants to feel that Nov 21 13:22:49 hmm.. i think that scared purple Nov 21 13:23:08 mdp: yeah.. but these guys shouldnt get a weapon in the first place Nov 21 13:23:21 mdp: that's why the military has psycholigcal screenings Nov 21 13:23:29 he slipped trough anyways :-( Nov 21 13:23:39 yep, same thing here Nov 21 13:24:54 meh... Nov 21 13:24:58 this gun talk gives me an idea: beagle(bone)-controlled gun turret Nov 21 13:25:08 * KotH hates sales reps that tell me to look at the webpage Nov 21 13:25:11 mru, working on it! Nov 21 13:25:13 with face detection Nov 21 13:25:19 if what i want to know would be written there, i wouldnt contact him! Nov 21 13:25:34 mru, fire at those with mustaches! Nov 21 13:25:57 use a high-power laser to draw mustaches on those without Nov 21 13:26:00 mdp: running the mustache SW at the same time? Nov 21 13:26:05 they all have one! Nov 21 13:26:18 av500, scary feedback loop Nov 21 13:26:41 mdp: make non-mustache a capital offense Nov 21 13:27:08 sounds like something the taliban would buy Nov 21 13:28:57 and now for something completely different: https://twitter.com/sotoole/status/269877416435007488/photo/1 Nov 21 13:29:05 sounds like a growing market :) Nov 21 13:29:09 old Nov 21 13:29:34 troll overload Nov 21 13:29:34 av500: I'm sorry I can't read all twitbook+ posts in realtime Nov 21 13:29:56 mru: get raw XML from the firehose Nov 21 13:30:14 av500: too many <> Nov 21 13:35:20 mru: you need more cellphones and tablets Nov 21 13:40:22 a10 tablet? Nov 21 13:50:31 Hello peoples Nov 21 13:51:12 does anyone know if the beaglebone has any frequency limits for analogue signals? Nov 21 13:52:01 of course it has limits Nov 21 13:52:13 which signals specifically? Nov 21 13:52:20 analog Nov 21 14:09:52 mdp: a snapshot of all 3 6502 registers might be really useful :) Nov 21 14:10:21 lol Nov 21 14:10:41 then stare at it for hours Nov 21 14:10:51 dataset overload! Nov 21 14:11:02 I would send that data to the cloud for processing Nov 21 14:11:15 then retrieve my dot matrix job results tomorrow Nov 21 14:14:41 do not eat! Nov 21 14:22:38 there, my trackball hack posted Nov 21 14:23:18 now, if it only had a scrollwheel Nov 21 14:26:51 anyone know if the a logitech c110 webcam is compatible with the bone? Nov 21 14:27:07 which driver does it use? Nov 21 14:27:08 does it run on linux? Nov 21 14:27:42 http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1051&context=cpesp&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dbeaglebone%2520webcam%2520compatible%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CC4QFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.calpoly.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1051%2526context%253Dcpesp%26ei%3Dxd-sULHJAsaX0QWmjIHYBw%26usg%3DAFQjCNEiw310y86-xtAjgY31tWaR2Qqdsg# Nov 21 14:27:48 eek Nov 21 14:27:59 its been used in this project so im guessing it will Nov 21 14:28:04 just found this Nov 21 14:29:14 * mdp increases window size for the url Nov 21 14:29:59 you can probably chop it after the first cgi param Nov 21 14:30:53 nope, needs two, and it's a pdf Nov 21 14:31:38 sorry? needs two Nov 21 14:32:01 pdf can haza virus? Nov 21 14:32:04 /o\ Nov 21 14:33:52 okay, ill try make it simple, i want to connect a webcam to the bone and initially make a system that will simply take pictures and store it to the micro SD Nov 21 14:34:37 Now after alot of research, im struggling find out what first steps to take Nov 21 14:35:33 step 1) do it on your linux PC Nov 21 14:35:39 step 2) do the same on the bone Nov 21 14:35:59 step 3) feel smug Nov 21 14:36:06 I dont currently have a linux pc Nov 21 14:36:13 i have connected to the bone using Nov 21 14:36:17 step 0) acquire linux pc Nov 21 14:36:28 USB serial connection using Putty Nov 21 14:36:54 you can treat the bone as a small linux PC too :) Nov 21 14:37:45 so without a linux PC i cannot complete this task? Nov 21 14:37:59 you can Nov 21 14:38:08 yasin: 95% of the work you want to do is figuring out how to do that on Linux, not anything related to the beaglebone Nov 21 14:38:19 thank you Nov 21 14:38:40 yasin: only difference is that it is easier/faster to do on a normal PC Nov 21 14:39:07 normal pc? as in one running linux? Nov 21 14:39:22 yes, normal Nov 21 14:39:33 thank god! Nov 21 14:39:41 which one? Nov 21 14:39:47 $deity Nov 21 14:40:48 so by connecting the bone via serial port Nov 21 14:41:33 and obtaining the terminal that way Nov 21 14:41:45 am i on the right track? Nov 21 14:41:55 well Nov 21 14:42:03 its only a small step to connect a serial port Nov 21 14:42:19 its like putting on your coat and stepping outside Nov 21 14:42:26 okay get it Nov 21 14:42:27 does not mean you will know where to go Nov 21 14:42:40 thats is exacly where i am stuck Nov 21 14:42:51 that pdf you linked it a good start Nov 21 14:43:06 somebody already did the work, change the name and hand it in Nov 21 14:43:07 okay Nov 21 14:43:23 LOL i wish it was that easy Nov 21 14:43:55 you actually the most helpful person i have talked to so far Nov 21 14:44:35 but even with tat pdf i still dont know where i go from here? Nov 21 14:45:15 do i start by installing Ubuntu on the bone? Nov 21 14:45:32 isnt there already linux on it? Nov 21 14:45:51 its how it is out of the box Nov 21 14:46:17 right now i have the angstrom terminal in front of me Nov 21 14:46:22 asking me to login Nov 21 14:46:37 which i believe is 'root' Nov 21 14:46:39 and no password Nov 21 14:47:21 well, we cannot teach you basic Linux here Nov 21 14:47:31 the net is full of information on that Nov 21 14:48:16 Im not asking you to, just as a guide to what i need to do Nov 21 14:48:34 im currently learning basic linux Nov 21 14:49:10 yasin: plugin webcam, install program to grab frame to .jpg and write a shell script to do it forever Nov 21 15:01:31 yasin : your entire problem is about learning linux Nov 21 15:01:45 yasin : it has nothing to do with the board. the board is just another linux system Nov 21 15:02:24 yasin : if you really do want to learn, then I recommend strict discipline while working through the linux from scratch tutorial, on any regular PC. Nov 21 15:02:35 yasin : I expect it will take you a few months to complete Nov 21 15:03:08 wtf Nov 21 15:03:11 cb! Nov 21 15:03:20 haven't seen you since härnösand in 1998! Nov 21 15:03:40 thank you for your response, i have a deadline of 6 months Nov 21 15:03:43 yasin : depending on your level of expertise with programming you might have to spend some months to go also into that field, in order to successfully implement the webcam thingymajig *by yourself* Nov 21 15:04:14 yasin : of course you can cut all times short by not learning things and blindly trying to glue together bits and pieces by others Nov 21 15:04:22 jonand : hej! :) Nov 21 15:06:05 i didnt think it would be so hard to just make the webcam store images to the microsd Nov 21 15:06:11 yasin : the former approach will be successful, how long it takes depends on how fast you learn. the latter approach is more like russian roulette. Nov 21 15:06:45 ah, is it already that time of the year? "please hand hold me and tell me the 20 magic commands to fix my project"?" Nov 21 15:07:13 yasin : it seems that you've underestimated the problem Nov 21 15:07:16 LetoThe2nd: 24 Nov 21 15:07:29 each day one more step Nov 21 15:07:37 yasin : if that is the only thing you learn from the project maybe that's not such a bad lesson.. Nov 21 15:07:46 av500: 42 Nov 21 15:14:49 another round of... exact steps. Nov 21 15:15:36 exacting steps Nov 21 15:16:41 av500, http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/21/archos-familypad/ <-- your work? Nov 21 15:16:44 exctract steps Nov 21 15:18:10 does anyone know a source for a 47u@10V capacitor in a 0603 case with an ESR <3 ? ^^' Nov 21 15:19:26 panto: lets say, I work for the same company Nov 21 15:19:49 come on admit it... you love android Nov 21 15:20:33 but he doesnt love his family Nov 21 15:20:50 he sold me one of his daughter for a cheap mug Nov 21 15:30:18 KotH : eh.. Nov 21 15:30:53 KotH : I think that cap is difficult Nov 21 15:33:46 oh really? :-) Nov 21 15:34:44 CareBear\: ideally i would need 250uF ^^' Nov 21 15:34:52 KotH: sounds like it will be expensive even if you find one. Nov 21 15:35:18 panto, he'll even claim that android is linux Nov 21 15:35:48 jonand: the best i could find so far was a 22u with an ESR of 10R Nov 21 15:35:56 jonand: that's far from available Nov 21 15:36:10 KotH: asked your local faes? Nov 21 15:36:14 jonand: and the price for such a capacitor isnt as important (as long as it isnt 100usd/pcs) Nov 21 15:36:35 jonand: asked local cap manufacturer websites ;) Nov 21 15:39:36 47uF in 0603 sounds like sci-fi to me.. Nov 21 15:40:17 reading the backlog..... it occurs to me that we should have a good answer for the question, "I want to learn Linux." Does anyone here have a book that they'd recommend for newbs? Something that can become somewhat of our standard answer here? Nov 21 15:41:07 jonand: wait 2-3y Nov 21 15:41:21 jonand: we'll have it soonish, as cer cap :) Nov 21 15:41:23 alan_o, unix programming or just unix in general? Nov 21 15:41:23 Seems like most of the ones I looked at a couple years ago for the same purpose were somewhat out of date, and/or written by no-name publishers. I was disappointed O'Reilly didn't have much. "Running Linux" is a few years old now. Nov 21 15:41:38 panto: maybe some of each Nov 21 15:41:57 and probably something more with a Linux focus than standard Unix stuff. Nov 21 15:42:00 alan_o: linux for dummies Nov 21 15:42:12 alan_o: and "the design of the unix operating system" Nov 21 15:42:18 KotH: is that one good? Haven't loked at it Nov 21 15:42:22 the K&R Nov 21 15:42:29 alan_o: last time i looked at it, it wasnt bad Nov 21 15:42:37 alan_o: but that was 10y aog Nov 21 15:42:38 ago Nov 21 15:42:40 KotH: isn't "design" going to be a little too advanced for newbs? Nov 21 15:42:44 alan_o. from what perspective? Nov 21 15:43:02 they need to run it before delving into OS design or even *nix programming Nov 21 15:43:05 alan_o: if they want to do embedded linux with lots of low level stuff, it's the right book to learn how to think unixy Nov 21 15:43:06 KotH: yeah, my last linux book was over 10 years ago. Nov 21 15:43:11 because what most people think of "learning linux" is after all just "what things can i click on my distros gui to replace Windows function $XYZ" Nov 21 15:43:19 K&R, the unix programming environment, and 'unix network programming' & 'advanced programming in the unix environment' by stevens Nov 21 15:43:22 mdp: yeah, that's what I think too Nov 21 15:44:30 panto: Those are pretty old (at least the first two). Nov 21 15:44:54 alan_o, it's the basics Nov 21 15:44:58 dated, but has the right content: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz Nov 21 15:45:12 mdp: is that the BOFH? ;) Nov 21 15:45:53 alan_o, and drop in the posix manuals Nov 21 15:45:57 section 4-9 are basics that everybody needs to know to even begin to hold a conversation Nov 21 15:46:18 most of the linux-isms haven't really caught on for application programming (with some notable exceptions like dbus etc) Nov 21 15:46:34 panto, and sysfs ;) Nov 21 15:46:47 I guess I don't know what I'm looking for..... When I started, I bought Red Hat Linux Unleashed which covered Red Hat Linux (not Fedora or RHEL) 4.2. That was a great book for learning how stuff works. It was more than just getting around the unix part. Also read "Using Unix" and it was good for the unix part, but still had a lot of stuff that didn't really apply to Linux Nov 21 15:46:58 is that still alive? http://rute.2038bug.com/node9.html.gz#SECTION00931000000000000000 Nov 21 15:47:59 mdp: That rute thing is pretty serious Nov 21 15:48:27 http://linuxcommand.org/index.php Nov 21 15:48:37 omfg... i havent heard about cooledit in ages Nov 21 15:48:45 KotH: dated, eh? Nov 21 15:48:56 mdp: I thought that terminal was goingto be interactive :) Nov 21 15:49:11 alan_o, that will be delivered with your flying car Nov 21 15:49:27 mdp: There's a javascript Linux emulator, seen that? Nov 21 15:49:32 "linux emulator" Nov 21 15:49:37 alan_o: also a good book is "in the beginning was the command line" by stephenson Nov 21 15:49:42 It emulates the hardware and boots a kernel in your browser. Nov 21 15:50:28 So at some point I'll have some time to get some links to this stuff and put it on a webpage Nov 21 15:50:28 maybe then we can point people at that. Nov 21 15:50:42 It's just the last couple times I've seen it asked, the answer has been, "use Linux on the Desktop and Server for 15 years" Nov 21 15:50:44 * KotH will remember to point people at alan_o Nov 21 15:51:01 KotH: more like remember to remind me to actually do this :) Nov 21 15:51:06 alan_o: that's not such a good idea Nov 21 15:51:28 alan_o: i know people who've been using linux >10y, but dont know shit about the shell, or how to write a simple c program Nov 21 15:51:29 KotH: ?? Nov 21 15:51:37 alan_o: let alone how to write a driver Nov 21 15:51:49 alan_o: oh.. and those are professional software developers Nov 21 15:51:51 not such a good idea to provide documents to people who are asking? Nov 21 15:52:11 alan_o: no, not a good idea to use linux for several decades Nov 21 15:52:18 alan_o: using something does not mean you learn it Nov 21 15:52:21 KotH: oh Nov 21 15:52:44 KotH: well that's the answer that's been given by others on the channel for "how did you guys learn" or "how do I learn" Nov 21 15:52:44 alan_o: having done comparable distro support for some years, the main dilemma is: those who just want handholding and a quick solution will not read any documents. Nov 21 15:52:45 you've to actively try to solve problems with it, and every time try to find the right way to do it Nov 21 15:53:21 alan_o: in the optimum case they will skim any text for c&p-commands, in the worst they will want you to tell them the "exact steps" Nov 21 15:53:24 LetoThe2nd: There's a difference between handholding, reading a book, and googling blindly for documentation that's incomplete and half wrong adn out of date Nov 21 15:53:26 alan_o: well.. most people who are good learn something that way: they use it for years and years and try to refine their knowledge every time they have to do something Nov 21 15:53:35 it's nice to have an overview book or online resource to give you the big picture of what's there though...the basics Nov 21 15:53:48 then yes, you then *do something* and spiral into the detailed docs Nov 21 15:53:49 alan_o: oh.. and actually that's the way how you learn anything well Nov 21 15:53:51 mdp: yes, and to point you in the right direction Nov 21 15:53:54 alan_o: those who actually willing to read the docs have been able to find them alone long time before asking in the most cases. Nov 21 15:54:10 LetoThe2nd: but it's often inefficient Nov 21 15:54:12 alan_o: iirc that book came with my RH4.2 box :) Nov 21 15:54:23 LetoThe2nd: people who are new don't know what to google for Nov 21 15:54:30 LetoThe2nd: not true Nov 21 15:54:38 LetoThe2nd: i often struggle to find the right docs Nov 21 15:54:43 the TOC looks pretty good for a complete !*nix person on that linuxcommand.org book fwiw Nov 21 15:54:52 LetoThe2nd: and i am someone who learns easily and on his own Nov 21 15:55:08 koen: I learned _tons_ from that book. Even went into how email works at the network level Nov 21 15:55:28 KotH: yeah, but people like you are the rare case. Nov 21 15:55:39 * LetoThe2nd personally likes http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable a lot Nov 21 15:55:48 ^^ Nov 21 15:55:52 Everyone here is a rare case. That's why it's hard for us to help new people Nov 21 15:55:56 LetoThe2nd: the rare case in what sense? Nov 21 15:56:18 hmmm Nov 21 15:56:18 KotH: "in most cases able to find, read, and understand docs on your own." Nov 21 15:56:24 alan_o: get this Nov 21 15:56:38 LetoThe2nd: and yet that one looks a bit more from the "admin" pov..but yes, also useful Nov 21 15:56:40 alan_o: phone interview this morning Nov 21 15:56:47 prpplague: woot! Nov 21 15:56:49 LetoThe2nd: i dont get it Nov 21 15:56:52 prpplague: +1 Nov 21 15:56:57 alan_o: the guy was asking about my involvement with the pandaboard project Nov 21 15:57:26 mdp: yes, it's pretty much geared towards debian and admin, but it involves a lot of common tasks you face when "actively" running linux Nov 21 15:57:40 alan_o: asked if i worked with someone that goes by the nick name prpplague because they were trying to find out who prpplague was to see about a job interview Nov 21 15:57:41 KotH: NVM Nov 21 15:57:50 LetoThe2nd: it goes to show that there's not one perfect guide for newbies Nov 21 15:58:00 prpplague: hahahaha Nov 21 15:58:19 prpplague: hehe, being sucked into headhunting yourself? ;) Nov 21 15:58:25 prpplague: and they're not smart enough to figure out who prpplague is... might not be a good sign. Nov 21 15:58:30 LetoThe2nd: hehe indeed Nov 21 15:58:31 mdp: pretty much, that. Nov 21 15:58:41 LetoThe2nd: but i do mind ^^' Nov 21 15:58:42 prpplague: sell them your dark side. Nov 21 15:58:51 hehe Nov 21 15:58:58 LetoThe2nd: it's filled with PC-isms..but if you drop those, it's great for groking how to deal with all those common things for your embedded target...but then yeah, I also think a good CLI howto for "doing stuff" is necessary too Nov 21 15:59:05 prpplague: sell them your dark chocolate. Nov 21 15:59:28 LetoThe2nd: i do think i am going to order a bunch of purple t-shirts for ELC with "I AM PLAGUE" on it to hand out as swag Nov 21 15:59:36 KotH: it all keeps coming back to chocolate :) Nov 21 15:59:42 LetoThe2nd: after that, I'm afraid, nobody has very good docs..except blogs with very focused use cases Nov 21 15:59:49 prpplague: not read shirts? Nov 21 16:00:00 red* Nov 21 16:00:01 koen: paramount would come after me Nov 21 16:00:01 mdp: well i aften find the bits and pieces of board kit docs helpful, but yes thats a bit different Nov 21 16:00:07 right Nov 21 16:00:12 prpplague: i vote for "the plague has arrived" Nov 21 16:00:21 hehe Nov 21 16:00:24 alan_o: chocolate is the one thing that holds the world together :-) Nov 21 16:00:34 maybe i need a contest for the best quote to put on purple shirts Nov 21 16:00:39 KotH: you messing up chocolate and duct tape? Nov 21 16:00:40 prpplague: Plague in the house Nov 21 16:00:52 alan_o: hehe Nov 21 16:00:56 LetoThe2nd: that would hold the univers together :) Nov 21 16:01:00 KotH: ah. Nov 21 16:01:13 ho ho hum Nov 21 16:01:48 prpplague: That is a pretty cool story though. Somehow both too famous and too obscure at the same time Nov 21 16:01:55 looks like with all the TI folks in the dfw area looking for jobs, it is already started driving the pay rates down... Nov 21 16:02:00 alan_o: indeed Nov 21 16:02:08 alan_o: i had to have a good laugh about it Nov 21 16:02:21 prpplague: you should convert fame into payrates, after all. Nov 21 16:02:37 LetoThe2nd: hehe Nov 21 16:02:47 prpplague: It's really surprising though that they couldn't figure it out. I typed "who is prpplague" into google. Nov 21 16:02:59 alan_o: really? Nov 21 16:03:04 * prpplague goes to look Nov 21 16:03:22 alan_o: it tells me "how to write a prologue" Nov 21 16:03:48 LetoThe2nd: tell it to "no, I mean search for prpplague" Nov 21 16:03:51 anyways... gtg.. have to go to the post office to grab some books Nov 21 16:03:52 the "yes I mean what I typed" button Nov 21 16:04:00 alan_o: yea was just looking at that Nov 21 16:04:02 good evening/afternoon boys Nov 21 16:04:07 alan_o: didn't know about that google foo Nov 21 16:04:07 alan_o: hehe Nov 21 16:04:39 Yeah, your full name is in the text below link #3 Nov 21 16:05:19 When I started here, I just looked at the "Real Name" field of the people who regularly chat here, and realized... "hey, I've met these people" Nov 21 16:06:07 * LetoThe2nd goes back to work, being unmet here :) Nov 21 16:14:50 alan_o: hehe Nov 21 16:15:04 alan_o: yea, i am not surprised with HR/Headhunters though Nov 21 16:15:32 prpplague: yeah. I suppose that's true. People actually have to _want_ to do their jobs. Nov 21 16:16:19 * mdp quickly changes real name to "mdp" Nov 21 16:17:47 * alan_o realizes his doesn't have his full name on this PC. strange.... Nov 21 16:18:09 sweet that git hub auto updates pull requests, after you make corrections Nov 21 16:20:55 joelagnel: yes, but you need to use arago-project for TI work ;) Nov 21 16:21:13 joelagnel: never mind github benefits Nov 21 16:21:49 jkridner: jeeze you need to edit that post about mdp's 6502 project Nov 21 16:22:07 prpplague: the one that says, "+Matt Porter sucks . . ." Nov 21 16:22:08 jkridner: "Hack-a-day: +Matt Porter sucks discrete 6502 processor into Linux by BeagleBone" Nov 21 16:22:23 mdp: all i saw was "Hack-a-day: +Matt Porter sucks..." Nov 21 16:22:39 prpplague: I already filed a complaint with HR...jkridner's days are numbered. Nov 21 16:25:05 hah Nov 21 16:25:28 I didn't even think about the chopped-up headline Nov 21 16:25:58 Paging Dr. Frued to the antique computing wing Nov 21 16:26:34 mdp: hey, at least you're the first google hit for "matt porter sucks" now :) Nov 21 16:27:32 alan_o, it was my goal to be better than the other matt porters at something Nov 21 16:38:36 mdp, I don't have commit rights or own repositories on arago, so I've safe :-P Nov 21 16:38:40 *I'm Nov 21 16:38:53 ;) Nov 21 16:50:10 prpplague : so what did you tell them? and how did they react? Nov 21 16:50:41 CareBear\: i hinted that i knew prpplague Nov 21 16:50:46 CareBear\: when they asked again Nov 21 16:50:53 CareBear\: told them that it was my nick Nov 21 16:50:59 CareBear\: they were pretty happy, hehe Nov 21 16:51:06 TGIF Nov 21 16:51:42 very good Nov 21 16:54:27 * prpplague decides to go home Nov 21 16:54:30 bbiab Nov 21 16:58:01 all he needed was a friday reminder..yay Nov 21 16:58:42 mdp: it's only Friday in the US, you insensitive clod! Nov 21 16:58:56 alan_o, I like to taunt Nov 21 17:00:10 mdp: hehe. We have to get it in while we can. I think in Europe they learn how to taunt us at an early age. Nov 21 17:02:06 * mdp waves guns and beer bottles in the air Nov 21 17:02:22 thanks, mranostay Nov 21 17:04:38 does anyone here know much about the PRU subsystem of the AM335x? Is there a disassembler for it hanging about? Nov 21 17:08:37 Wipster: AFAIK, no disassembler. Nov 21 17:08:56 not provided in https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package unless there's some option I missed or not documented on pasm Nov 21 17:11:28 mdp, ah thanks for the info. Would it be hard to spin a patch for binutils? not many instructions... Nov 21 17:12:19 mdp: on the contrary - arago-project is safe because joelagnel has no repos there... :-P Nov 21 17:22:35 denix, ouch! Nov 21 17:23:29 mdp, denix, see, so we're me and arago-project are both safe. everyone's happy ;) Nov 21 17:23:57 Wipster: it's doable...several people have expressed interest if somebody would support pru in binutils...but nobody eager enough to do it yet Nov 21 17:27:12 mdp: cause your joke grew beard already... Nov 21 17:27:46 * mdp looks around nervously for "those above" Nov 21 17:27:59 mdp, thanks for the info, I like the 'yet' part :) Nov 21 17:29:05 Wipster, yes, it's solidly at the "It would be great if . . ." stage. Nov 21 17:30:09 mdp, well I was looking at the opcode formats today for the 4 types and thought hmmm Nov 21 17:30:56 Wipster: shift and mask! Nov 21 17:31:29 alan_o, sorry? Nov 21 17:32:08 Wipster: disassembly Nov 21 17:37:11 ok well I shall be back in a bit, cheers for the info Nov 21 17:45:25 alan_o : did you just volunteer to implement a disassembler?! Nov 21 17:47:21 CareBear\: I heard him volunteer, he threw out some guru jargon so that was good enough for me Nov 21 17:47:21 * alan_o turns his head and look behind Nov 21 17:47:24 me? Nov 21 17:47:41 mdp : good - so it wasn't just me! Nov 21 17:47:52 man... another project for the queue Nov 21 17:48:08 .push_back(disassemble_pru) Nov 21 17:48:18 oh wait, C++ gets me flamed in here Nov 21 17:48:35 list_add buddy Nov 21 17:48:36 * mdp makes the "L" sign on his head at alan_o's C++ Nov 21 17:48:38 Wipster : come on, you can do it Nov 21 17:49:01 hehe Nov 21 18:07:42 i almost rather code java than C++ :) Nov 21 18:08:26 mranostay: then you are almost wrong :) Nov 21 18:09:27 i can read java at least Nov 21 18:10:16 <_av500_> i can read the letters, yes Nov 21 18:10:20 The good thing about C++ is the STL. Typesafe containers for all types. Nov 21 18:10:32 alan_o, this has got to be a friday joke, I think Nov 21 18:10:38 c'mon, mranostay...punchline! Nov 21 18:10:48 if it compiles, you probably did it close to right. Nov 21 18:11:02 "almost done" Nov 21 18:11:14 yeah Nov 21 18:11:16 "unit test complete" Nov 21 18:11:27 ... Nov 21 18:11:30 "ship it" Nov 21 18:11:35 I'm not one of those crazy template guys, don't worry Nov 21 18:12:40 non-crazy templates then, ok Nov 21 18:13:45 believe me, there is a difference Nov 21 18:14:15 we don't deal with anything but black/white here, thank you Nov 21 18:14:24 *evil* templates Nov 21 18:14:26 hah Nov 21 18:14:49 that's kind of the thing with C++. It's so big that people hate it for what _can_ do. Nov 21 18:14:58 but if it's insane, just don't do that Nov 21 18:15:18 alan_o: factory factory? Nov 21 18:15:22 alan_o, and btw, it's well known to be the cause of the failure of Iridium...true story ;) Nov 21 18:15:27 <_av500_> factoryFactory Nov 21 18:15:33 KotH: yeah, that stuff is insane Nov 21 18:15:52 alan_o, engineers told the s/w director at moto that they failed because of C++ to hide their own failures ;) Nov 21 18:15:55 <_av500_> singletonFactory Nov 21 18:16:07 and it's not that a factory is insane in all cases, it's that _typically_ when you see code that has factories in it, it's often alongside a lot of crazy. Nov 21 18:16:11 simpletonFactory Nov 21 18:16:48 alan_o, C++ is just another write only language Nov 21 18:17:03 god help you if you get dropped into the middle of an old C++ codebase Nov 21 18:17:09 panto: some write it that way, yes Nov 21 18:17:10 panto: that's my life :) Nov 21 18:17:44 panto: but being in the middle of an old C++ codebase isn't much different than being dropped into the middle of an old C codebase, at least in my experience. Nov 21 18:18:16 it isn't helped by the fact that back in the 90s, it was popular to have the IDE make a bunch of code for you on windows Nov 21 18:18:20 VC and Borland Nov 21 18:18:23 alan_o, at least you can _fix_ the c codebase Nov 21 18:18:31 and you got code that people didn't actually look at, by design Nov 21 18:18:57 another holy war :) Nov 21 18:19:00 but... with discipline, and code review, C++ can be made clean and good, just like any other language. Nov 21 18:19:24 and civility and bipartisanship Nov 21 18:20:10 fat chance Nov 21 18:20:10 <_av500_> and a flame thrower Nov 21 18:20:23 but, it can also be a nightmare, and so can C, and so can python, and even perl (I know it's hard to imagine) Nov 21 18:20:25 never seen it happen :) Nov 21 18:20:36 you've never worked for me :) Nov 21 18:20:43 heh Nov 21 18:58:34 <_av500_> at least somebody works Nov 21 19:04:15 _av500_: working is overrated Nov 21 19:09:18 yes Nov 21 19:09:31 somebody has to got the money Nov 21 19:09:37 get Nov 21 19:18:18 joelagnel: pulling in the patchset now, had to do some v3.2 work first before turkey time :( Nov 21 19:19:27 koen: er you have to take US holidays? Nov 21 19:20:15 dutch turkeys? are they wooden? Nov 21 19:20:59 ds2: that would still be better than tofukey Nov 21 19:21:55 heh Nov 21 19:22:20 mranostay: I take what I can get Nov 21 19:22:57 bunch of kids dropped in C and C++ meh..... Nov 21 19:23:00 Go TURBO assembler Nov 21 19:23:16 * KotH gives arcanescu a cane...there you go pops! Nov 21 19:23:25 mranostay: but I was actually referring to the .us people going crazy to finish deadlines Nov 21 19:23:27 ty KotH Nov 21 19:23:40 though.. i still ought to have a floppy with TASM somewhere... Nov 21 19:23:45 TASM Nov 21 19:23:49 is the thingg!!!! Nov 21 19:23:51 was * Nov 21 19:23:55 yeah Nov 21 19:24:24 i made a tracking system, and the code for the micro was written in tasm Nov 21 19:24:52 50+ files object code was kb's Nov 21 19:24:56 and it worked like a charm Nov 21 19:24:59 it was the first programming "language" i learned... because nothing else would run on a 286 :) Nov 21 19:24:59 joelagnel: I'm also not convinced it's lcdc clocks that are getting shut of, since DVI and LCD capes do work with 3.7 Nov 21 19:25:21 KotH: you need that cane more then i do :) Nov 21 19:25:31 arcanescu: that was in '98 :) Nov 21 19:25:44 im 25 Nov 21 19:25:53 oh..dear...a baby! Nov 21 19:26:01 KotH: borland c 2.0 ran on 286 Nov 21 19:26:07 but TASM Nov 21 19:26:17 mru: yes, but i couldnt get my hands on such old versions in '98 Nov 21 19:26:54 you should've asked me, I still had the floppies then Nov 21 19:27:00 lol Nov 21 19:27:12 mru: i had only heard about the internet back then Nov 21 19:27:37 mru: much less about video coding or this guy who wrote his own video player because he didnt like hungarian shit Nov 21 19:27:45 my school got internet in 94 iirc Nov 21 19:27:59 '98 here Nov 21 19:28:14 and in '99 we had at home the faster inet connection than our school Nov 21 19:28:19 * bradfa now loves reset circuits... The fun never ends! Nov 21 19:29:09 bradfa: reset circuits are like dc/dc converters: very few people know how to design them, although all the information you need is in the datasheet Nov 21 19:30:25 KotH, yes, but usually dc-dc converters don't have 4500 page data sheets :) Nov 21 19:30:48 you mean I have to *read*?! Nov 21 19:31:26 KotH, my most favoritest part on the bone until recently was the tps65217, so apt comparison :) Nov 21 19:31:36 who needs reset circuits.... Nov 21 19:31:47 ds2, some guy named SMSC Nov 21 19:31:52 weird name Nov 21 19:32:05 no brown out detection? Nov 21 19:32:15 even a puny 430 has that Nov 21 19:32:29 ds2, we don't have brownouts, we have lithium battery! Nov 21 19:32:45 but now I digress Nov 21 19:32:46 heh Li batteries Nov 21 19:32:49 blowouts then Nov 21 19:33:03 customer wants 5 hours run time on lithium battery at -40 C Nov 21 19:33:06 we laughed Nov 21 19:33:15 no problem Nov 21 19:33:22 5 hours it is Nov 21 19:33:24 got backpack? Nov 21 19:33:26 ;) Nov 21 19:33:32 heated battery Nov 21 19:33:33 ds2, we told them to buy heaters Nov 21 19:33:35 easy Nov 21 19:33:45 at that temp spending watts on heat might actually extend operating time Nov 21 19:33:57 bradfa: wtf? a reset circuit with a 1k page datasheet? Nov 21 19:34:00 might not need to buy heaters Nov 21 19:34:10 use a thinner gauge and keep current flowing Nov 21 19:34:16 and have a min power usage spec Nov 21 19:34:18 KotH, am335x trm is 4500 pages, has reset info in it, does that not count? Nov 21 19:34:47 bradfa: how long is the docu on the reset circuitry ? Nov 21 19:34:55 KotH, like 10 pages Nov 21 19:34:57 lol Nov 21 19:34:59 but it contradicts itself Nov 21 19:35:04 :-/ Nov 21 19:35:10 and at least one figure is a copy-paste error Nov 21 19:35:17 so that was fun Nov 21 19:35:20 soudns freescalish Nov 21 19:35:30 KotH, doesn't some guy from Freescale run TI now? Nov 21 19:35:33 or something? Nov 21 19:35:37 make sense then... Nov 21 19:35:51 * bradfa is now off to read about 555 timers and make homebrew reset enforcer! Nov 21 19:36:09 lol Nov 21 19:36:14 the 555 will never die! Nov 21 19:36:24 cape contest entry: "Reset Enforcer!" Nov 21 19:36:31 why a 555? rc circuit not good enough for you? Nov 21 19:36:41 funny thing: nobody thought the 555 would be comercialy viable :) Nov 21 19:36:42 mru, 555 uses rc circuit, no? :) Nov 21 19:36:57 sure Nov 21 19:37:00 bradfa: the tps65217 looks like fun Nov 21 19:37:10 KotH, oh it is! Nov 21 19:37:25 * bradfa skimpers away before anyone calls him on sending a patch for tps65217 power button... Nov 21 19:37:29 bradfa: i'm glad i dont have to deal with it Nov 21 19:39:13 <_av500_> hmm, a reset cape for the bone Nov 21 19:39:38 hmm.. Nov 21 19:39:58 koen, did you try getting it to work without CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS=y ? Nov 21 19:40:01 <_av500_> or parallel cluster of 64 new 555s Nov 21 19:40:01 how many people know what s or p orbitals are (context: atomic model) Nov 21 19:40:26 joelagnel: dvi and lcd capes work with CONFIG_OMAP_RESET_CLOCKS=y, havent tried hdmi yet Nov 21 19:40:28 KotH, in highschool I did... Nov 21 19:40:38 KotH: sounds vaguely familiar Nov 21 19:41:09 koen, let me do a quick test Nov 21 19:41:20 KotH: 2 and 8? Nov 21 19:41:33 damn.. then i have to explain what that is Nov 21 19:41:35 thanks boys Nov 21 19:41:47 <_av500_> KotH: all obsolete, we have 3d printers now Nov 21 19:41:48 now go draw those orbitals Nov 21 19:42:01 and provide equations for the electron density distribution Nov 21 19:42:28 isn't the simplest one a sphere? Nov 21 19:42:42 ds2: i'm only doing a presentation on atomic clocks, not nuclear physics Nov 21 19:42:53 koen, you're right, ok. I will drop that from the patch then Nov 21 19:42:55 can't be a sphere Nov 21 19:43:00 it holds 2 electrons Nov 21 19:43:07 joelagnel: I can update it tomorrow Nov 21 19:43:14 the psychology of atomic clocks? Nov 21 19:43:22 joelagnel: I need to work on some other cape stuff anyway Nov 21 19:43:24 enough ugly visions of icky equations Nov 21 19:43:33 ds2: H has only one e Nov 21 19:43:35 but since it's a holiday I can work on it while drinking beer in the afternoon Nov 21 19:43:39 koen, ah ok, cool Nov 21 19:43:40 :) Nov 21 19:43:55 mru: yes, but that orbital isn't full... He is the filled orbital Nov 21 19:44:03 and H doesn't exists byitself at RTP Nov 21 19:45:56 mru: more the psychological implications of high precision time measurments in a freudian context Nov 21 19:45:59 joelagnel: and something is wonky with the cec module Nov 21 19:46:29 drivers/video/nxp/tda998x_cec.c: In function 'cec_on': Nov 21 19:46:30 drivers/video/nxp/tda998x_cec.c:459:4: error: implicit declaration of function 'gpio_direction_output' Nov 21 19:46:40 anyway, afk Nov 21 19:49:23 koen: just change your build settings and make that a warning. Problem solved Nov 21 19:51:18 1 Nov 21 19:53:41 KotH, atomic clock cape? Nov 21 19:54:37 koen, CEC shouldn't be built Nov 21 19:54:43 bradfa: easy to do, just get a clock from ebay, mount it ontop of some spare pcb, done Nov 21 19:55:19 Did you try to build modules? ahh... the main HDMI stuff is built-in, I think modules will break, we need to undefine TDA_CEC in drivers/video/nxp/Makefile Nov 21 19:59:43 ~. Nov 21 20:03:44 blah Nov 21 20:07:55 did anybody here do some profiling the beagle (either using jtag/etb or the linaro qemu emulator?) Nov 21 20:36:00 g'night Nov 21 20:39:09 keesj what you want to profile? Nov 21 20:59:01 Which one of you is Vladimir! Nov 21 21:02:55 SilicaGel: who wants to know? Nov 21 21:03:12 I posted a link to my zigbee load controller on my g+ Nov 21 21:03:20 so a bunch of people from here became my g+ friends which was really nice! Nov 21 21:03:30 Except one of them is exploding my ... stream or ... whatever it's called! Nov 21 21:03:40 * mranostay throws _av500_ under the bus Nov 21 21:03:45 AH HAH! Nov 21 21:03:50 SilicaGel: artsy posts? Nov 21 21:03:59 Do you know what he is? a TWITTER SHITTER! Nov 21 21:04:14 http://data.tumblr.com/g0vKHeINWirbib2eLLYgcdiNo1_500.jpg # twitter shitter Nov 21 21:05:01 well one of the posts is kinda arts but Nov 21 21:05:01 https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/YxPUBwFzwSB Nov 21 21:05:06 I have NO IDEA what the hell taht is but it's way cool Nov 21 21:05:09 it's like roswell rods Nov 21 21:05:52 bitbang again? Nov 21 21:06:05 I'm not sure what that means. Is that what that thing is? Nov 21 21:06:20 <_av500_> SilicaGel: sorry Nov 21 21:06:24 <_av500_> uncirle me Nov 21 21:06:29 lol Nov 21 21:06:30 _av500_: it's okay, I mostly just wanted to give you crap :D Nov 21 21:06:34 _av500_: at least you're interesting :D Nov 21 21:06:46 more interesting in real life Nov 21 21:06:53 * _av500_ blushes Nov 21 21:07:35 i still say we need to get a troll BoF at ELC Nov 21 21:09:15 mranostay: +1 Nov 21 21:09:35 <_av500_> SilicaGel: the url in that post goes to the artistd website Nov 21 21:09:45 oh ok Nov 21 21:10:24 wha turl i don't see it Nov 21 21:10:36 the link goes to tumblr Nov 21 21:10:46 which to my understanding is an amateur porn hosting site Nov 21 21:10:49 so I'm not sure why this is on it! Nov 21 21:11:03 <_av500_> https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/3t1uC7L1Jh1 Nov 21 21:11:19 <_av500_> lol Nov 21 21:11:43 <_av500_> not all of tumblr is porn, only 60% Nov 21 21:11:49 OH it's people! Nov 21 21:11:51 Now I see them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 21 21:11:58 Wow that's cool Nov 21 21:12:12 some of those other ones look like lemmings Nov 21 21:12:38 What is your schematic, are you made out of tubes? Nov 21 21:12:45 <_av500_> yup Nov 21 21:13:00 CQ ham radio? Nov 21 21:13:25 If I were a tube I would want to be a 3-500Z Nov 21 21:13:27 sturdy, reliable Nov 21 21:13:31 difficult to blow up Nov 21 21:14:33 <_av500_> SilicaGel: I'm not a ham, just surrounded by them Nov 21 21:14:46 <_av500_> my coworker is dl8aau Nov 21 21:14:58 <_av500_> whatever that means :) Nov 21 21:15:35 it means if he passed his exam 21 peopel sooner he would ahve had a really cool callsign Nov 21 21:15:59 damned keyboard Nov 21 21:27:58 <_av500_> :) Nov 21 21:28:10 <_av500_> you can pick yours here these days Nov 21 21:28:27 <_av500_> have a friend called Felix that has dl8flx Nov 21 21:29:19 the extreme hams change their name to their callsign Nov 21 21:34:51 <_av500_> im still upset I did not get the AV500 license plates here Nov 21 21:35:51 the t-shirt is a poor consolation prize Nov 21 21:35:58 <_av500_> something like av being reserved for motor bikes, then I saw other cars with it here Nov 21 21:35:59 _av500_: no underscores allowed? Nov 21 21:37:27 hrm, lead time on the a13 olinuxino is 13 weeks here...another board that doesn't exist Nov 21 21:38:15 aha, digikey has stock Nov 21 21:39:53 <_av500_> get the a10, only 10 weeks Nov 21 21:40:01 <_av500_> or that nikon D1 Nov 21 21:40:14 I should wait for the A11 Nov 21 21:40:29 or join them and make the A11 reality Nov 21 21:40:48 <_av500_> mdp: I can make that happen Nov 21 21:41:15 I'm think though, I would join, make the A9 have a cortex-a8..and A8 have a cortex-a9...just for fun Nov 21 21:43:14 there are too many things called An Nov 21 21:43:46 no, that's not true Nov 21 21:43:51 <_av500_> we almost made our own Soc at a time, it was to be called A1 Nov 21 21:44:37 I would make mine AAAAAAAA1 be sure to be listed first in the yellow pages Nov 21 21:44:52 <_av500_> mdp: listed first in google too? Nov 21 21:45:02 <_av500_> open google at page one Nov 21 21:45:06 <_av500_> and start to read Nov 21 21:45:16 lick finger and turn page Nov 21 21:45:36 are you saying my marketing campaign is antiquated? Nov 21 21:45:38 <_av500_> theres a chrome extension Nov 21 21:46:09 <_av500_> wtf, one hsd to wear pants in SF now? Nov 21 21:46:34 _av500_: now you need change your plans for ELC next year... Nov 21 21:46:36 it's an unenforced guideline Nov 21 21:46:53 except in the financial district Nov 21 21:46:59 <_av500_> because some guy called Wiener said so Nov 21 21:47:09 <_av500_> you people have no mercy Nov 21 21:47:10 _av500_: pants only? I can't wear my skirt? Nov 21 21:47:45 <_av500_> hmm Nov 21 21:48:19 <_av500_> I quote: A person may not expose his or her genitals, perineum, or anal region on any public street, sidewalk, street median, parklet, or plaza, or in any transit vehicle, station, platform, or stop of any government operated transit system in the City and County of San Francisco. Nov 21 21:48:42 so women may still go topless? Nov 21 21:48:52 <_av500_> i think so Nov 21 21:49:13 and it says "his or her", what about transgender people? Nov 21 21:50:01 <_av500_> ask Mr. Wiener Nov 21 21:52:17 now there's nothing to see in the city, I'm changing vacation plans Nov 21 21:52:54 maybe they really need to add an age clause to that list Nov 21 21:53:24 it should certainly be forbidden for ugly people to walk about naked Nov 21 21:55:52 I have been to SFO a few times and have seen no naked people Nov 21 21:55:57 ugly or otherwise Nov 21 21:56:07 <_av500_> you did it wrong Nov 21 21:56:25 apparently Nov 21 21:56:29 <_av500_> Crofton|work: somebody has to make a start Nov 21 21:56:36 come to ELC and show me how to do it right Nov 21 21:56:41 hmm, do they now have "no nudity" signs at the border to inform (naked) travellers? Nov 21 21:57:20 such a sign would clearly need to be graphical to ensure it is understood by non-english speakers Nov 21 21:58:48 curious thought: what would you say, if i told you that there are lots of germans who come to switzerland, because there is no law that forbids naked hiking? Nov 21 21:59:05 heh Nov 21 21:59:17 I've seen naked people in parks in germany Nov 21 21:59:44 being naked is not that uncommon in .ch and .de Nov 21 21:59:48 <_av500_> yup Nov 21 21:59:57 even though it's a bit cold there? Nov 21 21:59:57 at the lakes and rivers, you usually see a couple of naked people during summer Nov 21 22:00:20 <_av500_> you see them in Munich in the "Englischer Garten" park Nov 21 22:00:55 there is even a term here in .ch called "military bathing trunks" :-) Nov 21 22:01:18 _av500_: waiting for the sun to come? Nov 21 22:01:29 mru: rather for the beer Nov 21 22:01:39 it's munich after all Nov 21 22:02:01 <_av500_> munich has plenty of sun Nov 21 22:02:09 maybe it was night Nov 21 22:04:44 <_av500_> mru: ah, I read on, breasts and buttocks are exempt Nov 21 22:04:48 <_av500_> wrt SF Nov 21 22:05:21 so this wiener guy has nothing against seeing some nice boobs? Nov 21 22:05:43 nice Nov 21 22:05:51 exempt from what? boobs are not genitals Nov 21 22:06:00 so they're not covered in the first place Nov 21 22:06:04 (no pun intended) Nov 21 22:06:34 gah! democracy sucks! Nov 21 22:06:51 how the heck am i supposed to know what international treaties make sense? Nov 21 22:07:17 there are ones that do? Nov 21 22:07:21 discuss: http://trotify.com/ Nov 21 22:07:33 Crofton|work: this is not 4chan Nov 21 22:08:51 <_av500_> awesome Nov 21 22:09:05 I expected it to be found on kickstarter Nov 21 22:09:46 <_av500_> mdp: I am kickstarting a rip-off as we speak Nov 21 22:09:47 yeah Nov 21 22:09:56 it's missing a llama joke Nov 21 22:10:13 <_av500_> I'll call it spotify, it will bang 2 iphones together Nov 21 22:10:58 add some bits and I'll back it Nov 21 22:12:07 <_av500_> mdp: hmm, SPItify Nov 21 22:13:00 production grade jtag for your cubieboard: http://linux-sunxi.org/File:Cubieboard_MMC2_JTAG_final.jpg Nov 21 22:13:58 mdp: glue for the win Nov 21 22:14:10 <_av500_> mdp: looks like what we do Nov 21 22:14:14 <_av500_> except the glue Nov 21 22:14:20 <_av500_> we sniff that Nov 21 22:14:27 understood Nov 21 22:15:27 i'd use something else than hot glue to sniff Nov 21 22:15:34 it kind of burns in the nose, you know? Nov 21 22:15:49 _av500_, that character lcd project was from back in march timeframe and boris just +1'ed it ;) Nov 21 22:15:50 and doesn't contain many solvents, if any Nov 21 22:16:12 some smell like shit though Nov 21 22:16:45 mdp: I was digging through a box of junk for something the other and found a 16x2 lcd Nov 21 22:17:07 the thought occurred to me to attach it to a bone but now I don't need to Nov 21 22:17:16 whatever you do, don't reuse code if you make it work Nov 21 22:17:19 oooh.... Nov 21 22:17:23 write the LIDD code for it Nov 21 22:17:56 lidd? Nov 21 22:18:06 <_av500_> mdp: i come across 44780, I cannot resist Nov 21 22:18:16 yes, LIDD Nov 21 22:18:29 there is an accelerator for that sort of displays Nov 21 22:18:41 I'd do it for my VFD 20x4 displays but they are UART interfaced Nov 21 22:18:52 <_av500_> mdp: i like how that code passes the state array with each call Nov 21 22:19:10 <_av500_> ds2: VFD 4x20 is awesome Nov 21 22:19:21 my idea was to bitbang a proper tty driver of course Nov 21 22:19:25 <_av500_> I have the noritake one Nov 21 22:19:42 I guess we need a bitbanger's BoF too Nov 21 22:20:14 would there be a difference? Nov 21 22:20:17 * ds2 curses at Android HALs Nov 21 22:20:28 blasted userland crap Nov 21 22:20:30 <_av500_> ha, I have an idea for elce game: make a contraption with switches and let people bitbang protocolls on the fly Nov 21 22:20:31 hal 9000? Nov 21 22:20:45 yes, might as well be a hal 9000 Nov 21 22:21:06 ds2, it has to make your life easier Nov 21 22:21:07 does it insist on calling you "dave"? Nov 21 22:21:15 <_av500_> mru: "Andy" Nov 21 22:22:12 mdp: are FAE's required to know how to use a chisel? Nov 21 22:22:32 to remove bga chips from boards? Nov 21 22:22:43 to get out of the rock and hard places Nov 21 22:22:45 ds2, a virtual chisel?!? Nov 21 22:23:03 <_av500_> a chipsel? Nov 21 22:24:37 from what I have seen, it looks like a non virtual one Nov 21 22:25:17 did you stab someone with it? Nov 21 22:28:46 <_av500_> fstab Nov 21 22:31:05 ds2, they don't let me have contact with FAEs any longer...no idea how well they are armed Nov 21 22:32:05 oh hehehe Nov 21 22:32:09 I see Nov 21 22:32:25 <_av500_> ARMed, haha Nov 21 22:32:50 FSL FAEs are now unARMed Nov 21 22:32:54 if you meet a bear unarmed, leg it Nov 21 22:33:04 LEG Nov 21 22:33:22 I take it you heard of the linaro enterprise group Nov 21 22:33:29 hence...LEG Nov 21 22:33:42 <_av500_> when the revolution comes, they are the first .... Nov 21 22:34:08 hehe Nov 21 22:35:26 <_av500_> ok, need to rest, happy thanksthursday for you turnkey lovers Nov 21 22:35:42 gn Nov 21 22:36:10 I thought there was no rest for the wicked Nov 21 22:36:41 <_av500_> I am the rest of the wicked here Nov 21 22:37:14 or was it no wicks for the rested? Nov 21 22:37:42 http://www.treelobsters.com/2011/11/320-waxing-philosophical.html Nov 21 22:38:41 <_av500_> +1 Nov 21 22:38:45 <_av500_> [like] Nov 21 22:38:47 <_av500_> RT Nov 21 22:46:00 happy t-day, .usians....bbm Nov 21 23:05:03 _av500_: sniff clue worship satan.. nice :) Nov 21 23:05:06 *glue Nov 21 23:25:15 mranostay: if only more people sniffed clue... Nov 21 23:27:51 i effing hate wrong endian systems... Nov 21 23:28:06 i know ARM is one generally.. Nov 21 23:28:32 wrong is just a matter of mirrors Nov 21 23:28:43 what's your beef today? Nov 21 23:44:50 can we please block *@gmail.com accounts on the beagle list? Nov 21 23:56:14 why not block *@* Nov 21 23:56:45 allow only local domain? Nov 21 23:56:58 *@gmail.com is infested with spammers Nov 21 23:57:23 if we restricted it to *@beagleboard.org it would be much nicer Nov 21 23:57:33 I can deal with that Nov 21 23:57:42 you have one of those? Nov 21 23:57:56 I can deal with not posting Nov 21 23:58:21 it's a while since I've posted to that list... Nov 21 23:58:31 i've blocked all of *.uk myself Nov 21 23:59:02 that's a bit harsh Nov 21 23:59:37 *.?? is more effective Nov 21 23:59:53 why don't you just unplug the cable? Nov 22 00:00:47 back to my null ptrs Nov 22 00:01:52 I'm trying to use screen on the beagle bone's angstrom as a poor man's daemon. But when I detach from the screen my processes is still running, but when I log out of my ssh session to the beagle bone my process goes away ;( Nov 22 00:03:18 This is something I do routinely on ubuntu and other OSes, but am new to angstrom. Not sure why or what part of this would be different. Nov 22 00:03:31 … any clues? Nov 22 00:04:37 sure it didn't just reboot? Nov 22 00:04:58 Nope. Have a second ssh session open. Nov 22 00:06:05 how do you know screen died? Nov 22 00:06:38 my process that I'm running from screen is die-ing. As seen from 'ps' output. Nov 22 00:06:48 Didn't look to see if screen is die-ing Nov 22 00:06:52 … testing that now. Nov 22 00:07:49 what parameters are you using with ps? Nov 22 00:08:06 and which version of ps? procfs based? mem based? busybox? toolbox? toybox? Nov 22 00:08:40 should the screen process be going away when I detach from it? Nov 22 00:08:41 ps aux | grep screen Nov 22 00:08:53 IIRC, some versions change its name Nov 22 00:08:58 try 'ps auxw | grep -i screen' Nov 22 00:09:45 'k -- I see one called SCREEN Nov 22 00:09:55 with a pid one higher Nov 22 00:10:08 higher than what? Nov 22 00:10:25 and when I log out it's going away. Nov 22 00:10:37 that is normal Nov 22 00:10:50 Than when I did a: ps aux | grep screen --- before detaching from the screen session Nov 22 00:10:50 what do you see when you do 'screen -r'? Nov 22 00:11:12 root@beaglebone:~# screen -r Nov 22 00:11:12 There is no screen to be resumed. Nov 22 00:11:28 sounds like your socket got wiped Nov 22 00:11:33 what distro is this? Nov 22 00:11:40 Got a few basic, basic questions... For starters, what's the difference between a 'uimage' and an ordinary kernel? 'file' says they're different kinds of files, but they're both kernels... Nov 22 00:11:40 angstrom Nov 22 00:11:55 I wonder if screen lacks perms to create the socket Nov 22 00:12:03 is screen suid or sgid? Nov 22 00:13:25 I'll look, but I'm wondering if now might be the time to get ubuntu installed on my extra microSD card. Nov 22 00:13:39 As I'm much more familiar with ubuntu Nov 22 00:13:46 they are all just userland stuff Nov 22 00:15:06 looks like it's not: Nov 22 00:15:06 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 11 13:33 /usr/bin/screen -> screen-4.0.3 Nov 22 00:15:15 that doesn't do anything Nov 22 00:15:23 please do 'ls -Ll /usr/bin/screen' Nov 22 00:15:31 or 'ls -l /usr/bin/screen-4.0.3' Nov 22 00:16:09 root@beaglebone:~# ls -Ll /usr/bin/screen Nov 22 00:16:10 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 297824 Aug 26 15:28 /usr/bin/screen Nov 22 00:16:38 * eikeon linux foo is weak tonight :| Nov 22 00:16:57 hmm it is suid root Nov 22 00:17:25 does /tmp/screens exists? Nov 22 00:17:49 Is there a very basic angstrom image that works with beagleboard-xm? Something sufficient to update itself without breaking but nothing beyond that. The fancy images I've found self-destruct on update, and the basic ones boot to a gibberish screen with no serial access... Nov 22 00:18:13 build ur own Nov 22 00:18:17 it isn't that hard Nov 22 00:18:30 With the angstrom builder? Those are the ones that boot too a gibberish screen with no serial access... Nov 22 00:18:54 I *think* it's booted since I see orange in the screen, but can't really be sure. Nov 22 00:19:19 yep /tmp/screens exists -- doesn't help that my syslog is setup to log to a remote host which I've not got set up Nov 22 00:19:33 Could that cause problems other than being in the dark Nov 22 00:20:20 I've tried cobbling my own together out of kernels I know work and a minimal image from the angstrom builder. The boot manager doesn't like the new kernel, and spews hundreds of lines of 'read-only filesystem' errors. Nov 22 00:20:40 I've tried building my own kernel, but the kernel images I build are somehow the wrong kind, not uImage ones. Nov 22 00:21:13 monttyle: no, with bitbake incantations Nov 22 00:21:22 eikeon: hmmmm is your filesystem full or read only? Nov 22 00:21:27 i.e. touch /tmp/foobar Nov 22 00:21:28 does that work Nov 22 00:21:43 ds2: Do these bitbake incantations affect the commandline options given to the kernel? Nov 22 00:22:05 * mranostay hurls a frozen turkey at ds2 Nov 22 00:22:08 root@beaglebone:~# touch /tmp/foobar Nov 22 00:22:09 root@beaglebone:~# ls -l /tmp/foobar Nov 22 00:22:10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 21 19:21 /tmp/foobar Nov 22 00:22:28 monttyle: normally, no... but.... Nov 22 00:22:33 mranostay: what?!!? Nov 22 00:22:42 * ds2 hurls a live turkey at mranostay Nov 22 00:23:02 eikeon: hmmmm... okay. what's the contents of /tmp/screens? Nov 22 00:23:04 I did comment out: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 Nov 22 00:23:10 ds2: domestic or wild? Nov 22 00:23:18 wild of course Nov 22 00:23:22 the ones that have infested the area Nov 22 00:23:27 ds2: I've been trying for days to find out where the stuff in /proc/cmdline is coming from. It's certainly not coming from uEnv.txt, and there's nothing in /proc/config.gz related to it. Nov 22 00:23:28 from fstab the other day so I'd have more tmp space, but have commented it back in and rebooted. Nov 22 00:23:58 monttyle: it can either be compiled in, or getting in via bootargs (which is what uEnv.txt affects) Nov 22 00:24:14 If it were compiled in, I'd expect it to show up in config.gz Nov 22 00:24:29 not really Nov 22 00:24:37 What's it compiled into, if not the kernel? Nov 22 00:25:04 kernel of course Nov 22 00:25:09 compiled != configured in Nov 22 00:25:38 How so? Nov 22 00:26:02 this is software Nov 22 00:26:21 which? Nov 22 00:26:39 eikeon: anything in /tmp/screens? Nov 22 00:27:15 root@beaglebone:~# ls -l /tmp/screens/ Nov 22 00:27:16 total 0 Nov 22 00:27:17 drwx------ 2 root root 40 Nov 21 19:10 S-root Nov 22 00:27:37 root? Nov 22 00:27:43 which seems to be an empty directory Nov 22 00:27:51 you are logged in as root when you do 'screen -r', right? Nov 22 00:27:54 I've been doing all this as root. Nov 22 00:28:14 how do you become root? Nov 22 00:28:16 … which I normally do not do. Is that a problem Nov 22 00:28:24 I'm ssh-ing in as root Nov 22 00:28:52 do this - Nov 22 00:28:56 kill the SCREEN process Nov 22 00:29:06 screen Nov 22 00:29:08 do your magic Nov 22 00:29:12 log out Nov 22 00:29:17 oops Nov 22 00:29:31 forgot a step; kill the SCREEN process then rm -rf /tmp/screens Nov 22 00:29:34 then reproduce it Nov 22 00:29:48 'k Nov 22 00:34:27 ds2: Hunting inside the kernel binary itself, I can't find the things I expect to be in /proc/cmdline Nov 22 00:34:44 monttyle: then your bootloader is of suspect Nov 22 00:35:42 ds2: my uenv.txt has one line in it which does not show up in /proc/cmdline. Editing it to add things that should show up in /proc/cmdline doesn't. Nov 22 00:36:06 did I say uenv.txt? Nov 22 00:36:09 i said your bootloader Nov 22 00:36:19 once I log out of the ssh session there's only the empty directory /tmp/screens/S-root/ -- when I detach from the screen before I log out of ssh I see -- /tmp/screens/S-root/619.pts-0.beaglebone Nov 22 00:36:35 ds2: which is uboot, yes? Nov 22 00:37:56 eikeon: hmmmm Nov 22 00:38:23 eikeon: do you have anything that would effect it in the home directory? Nov 22 00:38:44 ssh should not know anything about it unless you added it Nov 22 00:39:01 monttyle: yes Nov 22 00:39:55 Text in u-boot.img which might be related. Nov 22 00:40:24 have you consider ur uboot not reading the uEnv.txt? Nov 22 00:40:42 If I mess it up, it won't boot. Nov 22 00:42:18 if the cmdline is not compiled in, it can only come via the TAGs sent by the bootloader Nov 22 00:43:07 Yeah. I think it got buried in u-boot.img somehow. This image I have is very, very highly customized. Custom kernel and complicated GUI package. Nov 22 00:43:44 if you are running Linux, it cannot be that customized Nov 22 00:44:00 customized enough that I haven't been able to find out what kernel patches he used. Nov 22 00:44:49 who is 'he'? Nov 22 00:47:17 * eikeon tries asking google about this screen mystery… might have found something: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/XMiODvssmBM Nov 22 00:48:22 eikeon: that seems applicable... systemd is evil Nov 22 00:48:43 and that evil would go away with ubuntu ;) Nov 22 00:49:03 ubuntu uses another PoS Nov 22 00:49:06 so... Nov 22 00:49:07 :) Nov 22 00:49:58 At least one that I'm more familiar with using. Nov 22 00:50:14 I'm not positive. The image got uploaded to the beagleboard-toys wiki because it works with the screen. I'd happily abandon it for something barebones if I could get barebones to work. Nov 22 00:50:15 Are there other options I should consider? Nov 22 00:51:05 depends on what you are doing Nov 22 00:52:01 oh that PoS Nov 22 00:52:06 I also tried building my own minimal image from the known-good kernel and a static busybox. It boots, and works, but half the executables built into busybox segfault. Nov 22 00:52:22 ewwwwwwwwwwwp Nov 22 00:55:25 I've been using the .tgz images from the angstrom builder, because the first several times I tried using the image builder for disk images, it never produced anything after leaving it overnight. Also, they don't have a beagleboard-xm option, just beagleboard. Nov 22 00:55:51 for userland stuff xM and classic are mostly interchangeable Nov 22 00:56:56 Apparently, since it *appears* to boot. Without serial access, I can never be quite sure. Nov 22 00:58:31 I'm gonna try the disk image builder again. Maybe they fixed it by now. Nov 22 01:00:11 serial? Nov 22 01:00:13 Ohhhhh Nov 22 01:00:18 what are you trying to change? Nov 22 01:00:32 ds2: thank you for your help Nov 22 01:00:50 eikeon: np Nov 22 01:02:19 I am trying to make a bare-bones system that I can get into. I'm trying to build a network datalogger, but don't want to base it on the GUI monstrosity I have working now. Nov 22 01:02:37 I mean what part of proc/cmdline are you changing? Nov 22 01:02:48 i think i know what you are doing but need u to confirm Nov 22 01:03:17 I wasn't. I was trying to understand where it came from, since it might help explain why my attempts do -- or don't -- boot the way they do. Nov 22 01:03:28 oh Nov 22 01:03:38 What were you thinking though? :) Nov 22 01:03:48 if your serial port is not working, that is a known thing Nov 22 01:04:29 It could be any number of things. It could be the kernel not liking it. It could be the system not spawning a login for it. It could be the system just plain failing to boot, at all. Nov 22 01:05:26 there are known/common causes for those Nov 22 01:05:50 It could also be related to me using the heavily-customized bootloader from that GUI system. Nov 22 01:06:13 could be a mind hand interface issue too Nov 22 01:06:30 Absolutely. Nov 22 01:07:05 You've already told me more than I've managed to learn in months of hunting up documentation, by the way. Thanks a million. Nov 22 01:08:37 * mranostay starts looking for bars to drown his x86 pains away Nov 22 01:11:32 mranostay: hehe Nov 22 01:25:28 Well I'll be... my front-panel USB stopped working today. That might explain a lot. Nov 22 01:32:00 av500: turns out all the angstrom images don't work with the beaglebone Nov 22 01:32:10 i ended up downloading circuitco's A6A image and it worked first go Nov 22 01:33:14 so yeah Nov 22 01:33:21 JuanC: really now Nov 22 01:33:22 for future reference, http://circuitco.com/support/files/BeagleBone-A6A/BeagleBone_Rev_A6A_Production_09_12_2012.7z Nov 22 01:34:18 i'm not sure how to pronounce that in my head - is that incredulity or condescention? :D Nov 22 01:36:10 but yeah, anyway, http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone#Image_Files is at least a thousand times better a reference than http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm or http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ :) Nov 22 01:45:55 i had fd leaks Nov 22 01:45:58 hate Nov 22 01:47:29 ds2: i also hate leeks Nov 22 01:51:14 ok Nov 22 02:04:53 ho ho hum Nov 22 02:05:07 * prpplague tries to decide on resubmitting his i2c presentation for ELC-2013 Nov 22 02:05:17 mranostay: find some beer yet? Nov 22 02:05:39 'Max Screen Resolution 900 pixels' Nov 22 02:05:45 wow, those are some awesome specs Nov 22 02:07:06 more than a lot of laptops have Nov 22 02:08:43 is that a 20' display? Nov 22 02:09:43 14" I think Nov 22 02:10:12 is it made of discrete display elements? Nov 22 02:24:08 I don't know, it's a dell Nov 22 02:24:13 some kind of black friday deal Nov 22 02:26:51 geez, quite the surprise ending to the 'dump ways to die' youtube video Nov 22 02:26:57 er, dumb Nov 22 02:32:34 prpplague: definitely submit it Nov 22 02:33:09 wmat: you attending? Nov 22 02:33:29 dunno yet Nov 22 02:46:10 Hello Nov 22 02:51:05 I have an XM. The documentation indicates the input signal range for audio input is 1.5 Vpp. I am getting full range with .79 Vpp. I have checked all the ALSA setup and cannot find any gain settings (they are all 0 dB). I am running Angstrom, systemd, latest updates. Any idea where to look for some hidden gain settings? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 22 02:59:58 2012